HorsePowerTV 240/LS

[S14DB]

Wow, they finally found a soultion for the squat problems we are having with the IRS...

HorsePower's Nissan 240/LS Launch | HorsePower | PowerBlockTV.com - Video (http://www.powerblocktv.com/episodes/HP2013-15/horsepowers-nissan-240ls-launch)
HorsePower's Nissan 240/LS Finale | HorsePower | PowerBlockTV.com - Video (http://www.powerblocktv.com/episodes/HP2013-16/horsepowers-nissan-240ls-finale)

Now I have a laundry list of ignorant shit I'm going to hear for a few weeks...

[Drift_FX]

yeah i didnt like them switching to a solid rear axle, but everthing else was cool to watch even though im not a fan of ls swaps...

[tricky_ab]

That "stock exhaust" looked like it was a Buddy Club Spec II...

I'll check more in a bit... I used to watch this show on Saturday mornings, when I was a lot younger...

[Def]

I like how they went with way overkill 3/16" floorplates for the cage, then put all the rear suspension loads right into the subframe with a 1" tube welded right to the stock sheet metal.

And also ran the fuel feed line through the front wheel well - WTF. You've got to run it over the exhaust anyway, just do it right and run it inside the framerail like stock with a shield.

No way that ChaseBays radiator will keep that thing cool if you do more than a few drag passes either. It's tiny...

[Corbic]

They paid 2k for that car? WTF. That shit was clean. Luv it.

[InsTanCeZ]

I don't really know much about drag racing, but why don't they just use stiffer springs to combat the squatting problem?

[HPKMotorsports3]

Thats one clean zenki. How much you suppose they spent on this baller build?

[anthonyr sil8ty]

Always nice not to have a budget!

[xoxide]

Watched the first one, cant get the second link to load the video... Anyone else have this problem?


I like the build, not how I would do it but it is nice to see a 240 being built for a purpose other than hard parking or drifting.

[az_240]

^yea second link doesn't work for some reason...

[2muchboost]

There was a member here and also LS1Tech which did something similar to this in his S13 but he has turbo LQ4 (6.0). Was that a V-tuned front lip?

[KrazyKyle]

I've been watching the power block for over 10 years now. I was excited to see them do a 240 project and I knew it wouldn't be the norm like you typically see builds online, but the Chasebays radiator really disappointed me. I would rather have seen them grab some universal AL radiator from Summit and throw it on there. I guess they just don't know better, being from the hot rodding scene.

The motor will definitely be superb however.

[S14DB]

Watched the first one, cant get the second link to load the video... Anyone else have this problem?
Look at he date. Next weekend...

[lflkajfj12123]

^yea second link doesn't work for some reason...

it airs 10/5 according to the site

[xoxide]

Oh duh. Figured these were older episodes. Definetly going to have to tune in. Id like to see how the solid rear axle performs, they say they're going to bring it to the road course.

[Corbic]

Oh duh. Figured these were older episodes. Definetly going to have to tune in. Id like to see how the solid rear axle performs, they say they're going to bring it to the road course.

I'm sure half of the SLA is because of the audience, who would normally look at IRS with disdain; as well as the shows sponsors. You noticed he was rep'n 3-4 shops when talking about the rear.

I also love how they are using all "legit parts"... but none of them are in the typical 240-guys vocabulary.

And that Hooker LS swap kit is slick -

$249 for the mounts, $550 for the headers, a lot cheaper than Sikky from what can tell.

[xoxide]

True... Very true. They were using common 240 parts though as well. Stance coilovers, chasebays, the hooker hit (which is getting more and more popular), Enkei RPF1's... Past that, theyre using more known hotrod stuff though (the baer brake system, etc.)....


Its nice to see a change up though.

[ixfxi]

I like how they went with way overkill 3/16" floorplates for the cage, then put all the rear suspension loads right into the subframe with a 1" tube welded right to the stock sheet metal.

And also ran the fuel feed line through the front wheel well - WTF. You've got to run it over the exhaust anyway, just do it right and run it inside the framerail like stock with a shield.

No way that ChaseBays radiator will keep that thing cool if you do more than a few drag passes either. It's tiny...

i noticed the same things

i never understand how people cut holes into cars to run electronics or in this case, fucking fuel... but do not use grommets. but they're doing it all wrong. they should have used hard tubing instead of that over-priced braided hose nonsense.

that radiator is fantastic though....... for a miata.


shaking my head on the solid rear. they are setting car enthusiasts 30 years behind

[Def]

That Baer brake kit looked like a 45 lb per corner pile of dicks. Oh, but it uses pads OEM from an F-body... WTF - since when is that something positive other than you can always find some Duralast crap pads?


I'm interested to see what their final weight will be on the car, but there's no freaking way they're only going to gain 50 lbs without ditching some of the interior. The solid axle might have lost them 10 lbs, but they added way more than that on just the front brakes alone. The only way they might come at least a little bit close to their goal is that they went with a TKO 5 speed which is lighter than the T56.

Although their oil cooler sized radiator will save them some weight........

[Corbic]

According to Chasebays it works with the LS1... I don't blame PowerBlock for trying, it's a black on the manufacturer if it don't work, not them.

https://www.chasebays.com/product/nissan-240sx/cooling/chase-bays-tucked-aluminum-radiator

Overview:

All Aluminum Construction.
Every radiator is pressure tested for leaks.
Mounts under your core support for more clearance and less clutter.
Optional outlets, -16AN or OEM style.
Upper/Lower outlets can be placed on the driver or passenger side of radiator.
Dual pass design.
28" x 10" x 3"
Works great with the tight clearance of LS series, 1JZ/2JZ, RB, and any other V8/Inline 6 Engine

[S14DB]

I'm sure half of the SLA is because of the audience, who would normally look at IRS with disdain; as well as the shows sponsors. You noticed he was rep'n 3-4 shops when talking about the rear.

I also love how they are using all "legit parts"... but none of them are in the typical 240-guys vocabulary.

And that Hooker LS swap kit is slick -

$249 for the mounts, $550 for the headers, a lot cheaper than Sikky from what can tell.
I love how the excuse for the rear end swap is because IRS has to much squat. 240sx's have a ton of anti-squat. They are spewing BS from the Vettes and Cobra's.
A lot of the stuff seems to be sponsor driven. But, also keeping with the fragility of the viewship.

Stance and Chase bays are in the vocab :P

Yeah, I like the hooker kits. Enjuku and Summit stock it.

[Def]

Yea, that Hooker kit looked a ton more polished than some of the other swap kits I've seen used. Seems very reasonably priced as well.

[drunkmunky]

W/ the linkage bars on the rear suspension supported by bars welded onto the chassis, the rear suspension weighs the same, if not more.

It's awfully deceptive that they said this was a lighter rear suspension option.

[ILoveJDM]

luuuuuls shows fc rx7 with ls swap.

[Gar9854]

It's obvious they're just mindlessly flapping their gum, the "stock exhaust" they cut up was a BC spec II

[ShadowDrifter]

lets jsut say a buddy of mine is doing almost the same swap and well your gonna needs LOTS OF $$$$$$$$$$$ just in the motor setup and the solid rear end hes up over 20k so ya it looks cool and all but thats just in parts now how many of us can really afford to do soemthing like that. Hell im strugeling with my build let alone 20k in parts. Not to meation how many of the people on here really get into there own fab work? alot ya but theres more that don't so in the end yes its cool but its not practial.

[benarovi]

It's obvious they're just mindlessly flapping their gum, the "stock exhaust" they cut up was a BC spec II
it looked like they cut the d.p. was probably seized bolts. still pretty cool there building a 240sx ill watch the next episode for shure

[do it sideways]

Use to watch the show, pretty cool that they are doing a 240. But wasting a ton of money to make something worse is just plain stupid. Solid rear axle? Wtf! What are they going wheelin with it? Ruined the whole build IMO!

[S14DB]

luuuuuls shows fc rx7 with ls swap.
You mean this?
LS RX-7 | HorsePower | PowerBlockTV.com - Video (http://www.powerblocktv.com/episodes/HP2013-07/ls-rx-7)

[ixfxi]

That Baer brake kit looked like a 45 lb per corner pile of dicks. Oh, but it uses pads OEM from an F-body... WTF - since when is that something positive other than you can always find some Duralast crap pads?


I'm interested to see what their final weight will be on the car, but there's no freaking way they're only going to gain 50 lbs without ditching some of the interior. The solid axle might have lost them 10 lbs, but they added way more than that on just the front brakes alone.

Although their oil cooler sized radiator will save them some weight........

W/ the linkage bars on the rear suspension supported by bars welded onto the chassis, the rear suspension weighs the same, if not more. It's awfully deceptive that they said this was a lighter rear suspension option.

hehehe, thats the key. the supports they welded onto the unibody adds more weight, assuming it doesnt shear through into the cabin. at least its sprung weight though. i cant remember if they weighed the rear axle w/ or w/o brakes, but those rear brakes are excessive & pointless, solely for looks. we all know that the rear brakes are biased & used much less, but hey... gotta support the sponsors and if they're giving, we're taking, right?

the rattle can primer & paint wont last nor will it protect the metal.


According to Chasebays it works with the LS1... I don't blame PowerBlock for trying, it's a black on the manufacturer if it don't work, not them.

yeah but its on you as a builder to research specs based on your needs. now the question is, does chasebays claims add-up? in that redneck state, im sure its fine... out in florida, arizona, socal... that car is toast. doesnt matter, they'll just do what they do in every episode of roadkill..... pull over due to overheating and remove the fucking hood.


lets jsut say a buddy of mine is doing almost the same swap and well your gonna needs LOTS OF $$$$$$$$$$$ just in the motor setup and the solid rear end hes up over 20k

you are right, and this is why many of us (me included) run into road blocks with our builds. what we THINK it takes, and what it really takes are totally different.


I love how the excuse for the rear end swap is because IRS has to much squat. 240sx's have a ton of anti-squat. They are spewing BS from the Vettes and Cobra's.

i think the only thing these guys care about is taking this car to the drag strip. its 100% american style build. i find it stupid, but at the same time i get why they did what they did. in reality, they should have picked another car that CAME with solid rear, but whatever. i bet this video will eventually end up on some s-chassis boards in japan... (if they still exist) and guys are going to be tripping out.

anyone here want to startup a business exporting LS motors + solid rear swap kits to Japan? Could be a good business... haha


man ide love to see this car get its ASS fucking handed to it in the touge. all that work just to build a fucking car to go straight. colossal waste

[Def]

It might handle halfway decent if they took that Stance crap off there. Keep in mind AE86's handle fairly well and they're solid rear axle cars.

That said, 260+ lbs is a whole lot of unsprung weight before adding on wheels and tires. So I'm guessing they'll be around 350 lbs give or take 10 lbs of unsprung rear weight w/ wheels and tires... While the stock car has roughly 170-190 lbs of unsprung weight w/ wheels and tires. That'll definitely make the car handle differently.

[ixfxi]

you know, it didnt dawn upon me because i only listened to the episode and skimmed through the video yesterday while working. today i gave it a more careful look. and while i agree, sure.. cars like the ae86 are solid rear... i thought of the following:

they are not comparing apples with apples. they weigh the ENTIRE s14 subframe with all associated components - vs - their solid rear. how are those figures going to be of any use? what i mean is, the s-chassis subframe is spring weight, only the links and brakes are unsprung. with that said, their entire solid rear is now unsprung weight. i dont think i am missing anything here, other than this being regression in terms of handling. which brings me back to my last point, this setup will only be useful in a drag configuration.

anyway, since i was feeling under the weather today.. i decided to watch more redneck TV and stumbled into this episode. Now, i cant help but notice the significant attention to detail since these Copa Camaros are factory tuner vehicles....

The New GM COPO Camaro | HorsePower | PowerBlockTV.com - Video (http://www.powerblocktv.com/episodes/HP2013-03/the-new-gm-copo-camaro)

with that said, if you watch the 2 videos back-to-back, you see how the manufacturer does their best to do the job properly, and how they just dont care and do a cheap "tv episode" build like you would find on car warriors or any of those types of shows.

fuck...

[genericforumname]

I'm soooooo glad someone caught that bullshit "weigh in" of their rear end. was sitting on the couch with my dad, who also thought it was dumb, and both of us noticed they didn't weigh the steel they welded into the rear. both of us were confuses about the brakes, why put those in the REAR of all places because that's what those were right? they probably doubled the weight of those brakes over factory at least. not only that but don't drag cars usually run smaller brakes to cut weight? For attempting to build a car based entirely on power/weight ratio makes sense adding weight sure as hell doesn't compute with their stated goal.

About that solid rear, did MazWorx use the IRS on their 9-second 4 cylinder? $100 says this thing doesn't touch that cars ET's with that crap rear end hack job.

first thing my dad said when he saw their fuel cell was "there goes your trunk" god I was actually kind of excited about this but now I'm just kinda mad. of course these are the same assholes that have put 150 shots of nitrous in otherwise factory cars and seem to think that's OK anyway.

both of us were calling some bullshit on their claim they bought it for 2k. not possible. it was clearly bought from someone who modded it and I can tell you at least in Central Florida there is no way. I've seen several come up online for over 2k that don't even run and thing looks fucking mint. paint looks cleaner than mine too and mine is a black zenki s14.

I also can't WAIT to see the shit these people and those like them get into when the Mustang joined the 80's and gets an IRS on the upcoming models.

Either way I'm still disapointed that there is one less Zenki in the world that hasn't been ruined.

[Corbic]

I don't think you've seen many a car build.

First, I your are over thinking things. Car shows are not for car people. The are for normal people. Top Gear for example... with all the bs rigged tests, stupid jokes and over opinionated statements.. how is it a "car guy" show. Any really "car guy" would be enraged that Clarkson destroyed a mint Air cooled 911 for just yucks and grins.


As for HPTV... lets review.


I doubt the cast really has much say in the products they rep. Priducers make phone calls looking for money and free parts. So when you get Baer and not Project Mu to give you a set of their brake system.... that's what you run with.

You also have only a short window to run this project. This means you rely on industry connections. They don't have years to search forums and even realize Mazworks exists.

If you've ever watched the series, they love their aftermarket solid rear swaps. Everything gets one. I have faith it will be string and work just fine. So let's stop trying to be keyboard engineers. What irked me was they painted it with spay and didn't even bother to prime it. That krylon engine paint is going to rust thru.

As for $2k. Yearh, it's a nice one. But he said "about" which easily means $2, 999.99. We also don't know if the engine or teams was any good or the condition of the interior. Since they bought the car it was already cleaned, buffed, polished and had is interior striped and reinstalled for the cage.

Further more, connections. Shows and magaxines have lots of connections. They just tell their circle "I need a cheap 302 for a project article" and a week later someone has a $150 minty motor for them. Their deals will always outpace our peasant deals.

Lastly, it's an infomercial. It's not a how-too video, a training guide or even a real persons project. They are their to sling product and rep manufacturers. This car is not destined to be someone's daily or a competition race car.

It's too sell you the hooker ls kit, whatever school of engine building, the universal SLA swap kit and Baer brakes.

Your talking about it, so it's working.

Personally I'm glad that this and the MT project are out. Maybe it will move the 240 from broke teenager cult status to real people sports classic. Drive the prices up and the cheap-asses away.

[bc.]

I try to watch horsepower every weekend, I usually end up sleeping in too late though. I am a Nissan fanboy, but I love all cars.... almost. I don't normally learn anything from the show, but some stuff is pretty cool.

Their endless sponsor plugs are annoying though, it's just way too obviously contrived. Oh, and Courtney Hanson looks like an old shoe.

W/ the linkage bars on the rear suspension supported by bars welded onto the chassis, the rear suspension weighs the same, if not more.

It's awfully deceptive that they said this was a lighter rear suspension option.
I caught this too, lol. It is nice that they weighed the KA though, since you can see almost exactly what they had on the scale when they weighed it.

[bc.]

Corbic: They did say they drove it in stock form and thought it was actually "kinda quick"

As for the brakes in the rear, they said they were gonna take it to the track and as far as brakes go: you can take road course brakes to the drag race, but you can't take drag race brake to the road course.

[zenkiset]

I actually got to drool over this thing and talk to the owner of this car for like 20 minutes at lsfest last month here in Bowling Green, Ky. Had no idea this car was built on powerblock! let me just say.. this thing is immaculate!

[Ghostdrifter]

They spent way more than 2 grand on that 240. That sucker is clean

[Corbic]

They spent way more than 2 grand on that 240. That sucker is clean

Like I said, when you have connections, stuff comes up for cheap. They also spent a ton of time off camera detailing it. I'm sure it was buffed and scrubbed inside and out.

[BossHogg]

i like old shoes

ide most definitely hit it

I'd chew on the old boot leather.

[RB180sxChris]

such a clean s14 and BC spec II on it!

[S14DB]

Part 2 is up.

[jr_ss]

The LS is lighter than the KA by 20lbs...

...without accessories.

How can you call that a comparison?

Either way, looks like it could be fun flogging. I would've kept the multi link in the rear though.

[MAD240SX]

Thanks for the links

[xoxide]

Anyone notice how bad of a driver they had while testing the car? Swear the guy was an epileptic with his throttle control.

[NotLowEnough]

you guys flame all you want, i would be right there with you....but....these guys can build 1 hell of an engine. yea a fully built rb25 or a 2jz would be way cooler in my book. but i like all of this except the SRA.

[NAIRB]

you guys flame all you want, i would be right there with you....but....these guys can build 1 hell of an engine. yea a fully built rb25 or a 2jz would be way cooler in my book. but i like all of this except the SRA.

Ehhh what? They didn't build the motor. SAM built the block, which they do build amazing motors. But then they "horsepowertv" just ran this average head/cam combo because they probably got it for almost nothing from a sponsor.

[unwtdhero]

I hate this build cause its better than most of us, and there doing something different than a drift build. I mean, really, the audacity....





Get over it guys, its a show of course there is funding

[bc.]

Did they ever do a before and after weight? I remember the before, but not the after. All of their 'weight loss' stuff looked like trickery, it would have been nice to see an actual end weight..

[driftsucky]

I gotta agree with Corbic. I thought it was cool to see on the show and that's what I took it as. It's a step from the normal 1960 Chevy's and Fords that they do and as a Nissan enthusiast, it was fun to watch. But it's a sponsor driven show so you have to expect some of the stuff. I mean, it's one of like 3 shows they've ever done that didn't end with them saying "we got this blah blah blah from Edlebrock...". Nothing against them, but it's in almost EVERY build. I expected it in this one too. So, it was nice to see they got different funding this time. But, take it for what it is.

[Chaluska]

Did they ever do a before and after weight? I remember the before, but not the after. All of their 'weight loss' stuff looked like trickery, it would have been nice to see an actual end weight..

"were getting rid of the heavy stock fuel tank, and installing a lightweight 1/2" thick solid steel armored fuel cell with rubber lines through razor sharp holes"

"were dumping the heavy stock rear end and installing a solid rear axle system with HUGE 14" rotors and tons of 1/4" metal plates for re-enforcement"

i'm pretty sure even with all of the stuff they changed, the car was lighter in the beginning. but now they have 4 times as much power, weight wont matter as much.

still pretty cool to see someone do something different, besides "yo JDM fanboi, coilovers, stickers, bubble shift knob, drift button, sr20det, stretched tires on 15x9-50 wheels with 89 degrees of negative camber"

[BadazzSr20]

I like that chase bay brake booster replacement I want one!!! And the rad and fans too!!!

[ixfxi]

I like that chase bay brake booster replacement I want one!!! And the rad and fans too!!!

thats great! ...no one cares!

[Corbic]

thats great! ...no one cares!

Just think of all the clear corner sales you lost!

[stev0n]

It's for sale! Only a measly $20G's!!

http://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/4324263024.html

[S14DB]

It's for sale! Only a measly $20G's!!

http://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/4324263024.html

So, the company that provided the transmission has it now.

[Sforteen]

20G's isnt that bad for whats in the car.. 3 major parts almost cost that much...

I thought it was a cool build, its not some gay stanced ziptied drift gayness like 90% of 240 builds are..

[solo_ryder]

Just watched both episodes, I like the build but dont know about that rear axle.


20G's isnt that bad for whats in the car.. 3 major parts almost cost that much...

I thought it was a cool build, its not some gay stanced ziptied drift gayness like 90% of 240 builds are..

And yea qft

[turbo2nr]

That was pretty cool. Glad to see everyone that drove the car appreciated it and it put a smile on their face.

[alwaysnboost]

Looks like a solid build. Wonder what it would sell for and what's it worth. Anyone that really drag races knows a SRA will always be better.

[blksylv]

It's up for sale in my area now.


http://richmond.craigslist.org/wan/5369775894.html

[alwaysnboost]

It's up for sale in my area now.


http://richmond.craigslist.org/wan/5369775894.html

Crazy! 27 seems high, but could appreciate what's in the car. Should be a 10 second car though with a good driver.

[Corbic]

l. Should be a 10 second car though with a good driver.


Which is barely worth $10k in these parts....

Having +27k dollars in parts and labor does not make a $27k car.

[alwaysnboost]

Which is barely worth $10k in these parts....

Having +27k dollars in parts and labor does not make a $27k car.

Sorry I don't understand.. Are you saying all those mods aren't worth 10k? You could never build something like that for even 20k. I could be wrong.

[KAT-PWR]

Sorry I don't understand.. Are you saying all those mods aren't worth 10k? You could never build something like that for even 20k. I could be wrong.

No you could never pay someone to build it for less money. Paying people labor doesn't add value.

[Corbic]

Sorry I don't understand.. Are you saying all those mods aren't worth 10k? You could never build something like that for even 20k. I could be wrong.


"...these parts" as in location.

Rule of thumb. $10 per horse power and $10k to run 10's.

It's a stock body S14 with gutted interior and small RPF1s. Visually it's unimpressive and sterile.

It has SLA, a TKO and a V8... Why would anyone want this over a Mustang or Camaro?

You can build a 10 second Fox Body for $10k (pinching pennies) and have the same visual impact. I'd argue a '93 blacked out Fox on drags is better looking then that S14 all day long.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/24/ec/3f/24ec3fae662507fdbbef6dd2a31f00d5.jpg


So yes. You can add up all the parts and labor and reach $27k all day long... But does anyone care?

People would rather have a slammed, D-maxed S14 on 3pc wheels with a 300hp SR or RB... and those would struggle to go for 5 figures.


http://i56.tinypic.com/2hwe4io.jpg

[alwaysnboost]

Guess I like apples and you like oranges. Everyone has totally different outlooks on cars, but to me a mustang fox bodies is NOT ascetially appealing. Arguably, the 240 can look better as a drag car. That 240 pictured is what the primary market attracts. Shame some can't look beyond that. I would agree the 240 from the show is not worth 27k. However, the time, money, fabricating cannot be ignored. The cage alone was done with precision, quality and to spec. A closer look and you can tell it's not a "gutted 240 with small enkies LOL". However if your physical attraction to cars is dropped to the ground dragging your mufflers then a 240 like the one in the show is a moot topic and not for you. I've been around the drag racing world for years and this car seems like a new era muscle car with a Japanese shell. Nothing wrong with that as long as you are using it for a purpose.

[Corbic]

Nothing wrong with that as long as you are using it for a purpose.


There is a lot wrong with it when a backyard Fox walks your ass after all that money and work.

The car is basically trying to be a Mustang/Camaro/GBody while costing 3x as much. It defeats the entire purpose of owning a 240sx.

As far as "new", shade tree mechanics have been dropping SBCs into FCs and MK3s for years...HPTV just managed to do this in the most expensive way possible.

[SoundEfx]

The rule of thumb is 'Something is worth what ever someone is willing to pay for it.'
If someone is willing to pay 20 million for a car, than that is what it's worth (to them). Dumb, but that is what it is.

In terms of the purpose of owning a 240, that differs from person to person, with the majority of them trashing it by failing at drifting or killing it with stupid wide wheels and ruined fenders.

[Corbic]

The rule of thumb is 'Something is worth what ever someone is willing to pay for it.'
If someone is willing to pay 20 million for a car, than that is what it's worth (to them). Dumb, but that is what it is.



Not really. That's why there are things called "appraisers".

Since that car has no "emotional" value (owned by Paul Walker for example), it can easily be replicated and can only be worth the cost of replication.

[SoundEfx]

That is what YOU think, but because it was built on TV, the seller could put what ever price he/she wants and IF someone wants to buy it at that price, guess what, that becomes the 'value' of that car.

That is what is happening to Shelby's at auctions. They are coming down in price / value because people are getting bored with them and are not willing to pay the high figures like before.

I also see it all the time in the for sale sections on forums.
That car which was built is $27K
This stock one is $12K: https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5371845877.html
$13K with some mods: https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/5347171428.html

So now that $27K race built 240sx compared to some other ones doesn't seem so outrageous ....lol

[Corbic]

That is what YOU think, but because it was built on TV, the seller could put what ever price he/she wants and IF someone wants to buy it at that price, guess what, that becomes the 'value' of that car.

That is what is happening to Shelby's at auctions. They are coming down in price / value because people are getting bored with them and are not willing to pay the high figures like before.

I also see it all the time in the for sale sections on forums.
That car which was built is $27K
This stock one is $12K: https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5371845877.html
$13K with some mods: https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/5347171428.html

So now that $27K race built 240sx compared to some other ones doesn't seem so outrageous ....lol


http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Health/GTY_crack_smoker_jef_131107_16x9_992.jpg

[SoundEfx]

LOL..... That is why they have been there for a while.....
240's are nice, but not five digits stock nice.

[ixfxi]

without looking through the receipts its hard to say what the car is worth, but i dont think its worth the asking price. too many free parts from the sponsors and not enough rare / enthusiast parts, which makes the car rather average.

if i would try to sell that car, it would need some good evidence of it racing at the track showing and proving. plus, i wouldnt sell it on fucking craigslist. list that shit on ebay.

craigslist is a joke

[alwaysnboost]

without looking through the receipts its hard to say what the car is worth, but i dont think its worth the asking price. too many free parts from the sponsors and not enough rare / enthusiast parts, which makes the car rather average.

if i would try to sell that car, it would need some good evidence of it racing at the track showing and proving. plus, i wouldnt sell it on fucking craigslist. list that shit on ebay.

craigslist is a joke

The car was definitely built with some quality parts. What do you think it's worth just curious?

[Skilz10179]

$27k seems reasonable, it has that in parts alone (not labor).

[alwaysnboost]

$27k seems reasonable, it has that is parts alone (not labor).

Agreed. Regardless if they are parts favored by the 240 community.

[Matej]

So dumb when cars get built for a few seconds of publicity only to get listed for sale or parted out right after.

Before being ruined and made unattainable with expensive parts that no one wants, that chassis could have been a perfectly good platform for someone's sticker-bombed Hoonigan unicorn.

[SoundEfx]

So dumb when cars get built for a few seconds of publicity only to get listed for sale or parted out right after.

Before being ruined and made unattainable with expensive parts that no one wants, that chassis could have been a perfectly good platform for someone's sticker-bombed Hoonigan unicorn.

Do you feel that way about every car being drifted?
Because to me, they are doing the same thing, taking perfect chassis and basically destroying it.

[Matej]

Do you feel that way about every car being drifted?
Because to me, they are doing the same thing, taking perfect chassis and basically destroying it.
Drifting is art. It is self-expression. It does not matter what the car looks like, it is an extension of your personality, your heart.
These guys are just corporate paid suits. There is no soul in this car.
Long live the touge.

[ixfxi]

The car was definitely built with some quality parts. What do you think it's worth just curious?

A forum is the last place you would go to estimate the value of something. Think about what you are asking. Its like showing a photo of a house on a forum and saying "whats it worth" ... well, there are a lot of variables. In this case, the oem variables have been changed and its no longer worth stock money. if you want your moneys worth, you're going to have to sell it. being that it was built for a TV show is not enough. the car needs to prove that it can perform. take video of it tearing it up at the track and do a more in-depth listing of parts and modifications. then list it on ebay as buy it now or best offer.

craigslist is just too low class.

[Corbic]

craigslist is just too low class.


Truth. Craigslist is the land of half-ass sellers and crooked broke buyers.

It's great to dump cheap garbage because it's free and takes 15 seconds.

It sucks because everyone knows anything on Craigslist is garbage and is treated as suck. The fact everything is anonymous only exacerbates the issue.

eBay has the most exposure for higher cost shit like that.

Also, proof of the value is a good one. "Could run tens" doesn't mean shit, nor does a horse power claim. Show me the time slip, trap speed and dyno.

[ixfxi]

like my street friends say... "what it do, homeboy"

People with money to burn dont want to sit there jerking off at how a car looks, they want the damn thing to drive. If it is what its advertised to be, then that should be something that can be shown. You're asking a lot of money for that car, go get a vbox or whatever those data acquisition things are called. The proof is in the pudding and will only help your sale. Or go to the drag strip, dyno, like corbic said.

The thing to remember about the forums is that its literally, a mixed bag of dicks. some people here are morons (high %), but some are very intelligent people who can easily build a car like that (or better). anyone who has built a car before knows that its not just the parts, but also the setup that is equally important.