NEW 240sx Big Brake Kit.. R&D

[Nonsense]

Sup guys,
Hopefully I get no "Nonsense" Replies on this but I'm wondering what you guys would like to suggest for a New Big Brake Kit for us 240sx owners.

I know the z32s/q45s/sti-evo brembo setups are out there.
but the main goal here is to have a Kit right out the box that will probably still
have the ability to keep that e-brake:trogdor:



I am currently working with a company to develop a New BBK that is affordable and reliable and will also increase braking performance. So far we have a couple Ideas but id like to hear some of your opinions on which size rotors you would like to have under your belt. don't worry about the calipers for now ;) just some basic suggestions on rotors and why you would prefer the size.

IF and HOPEFULLY it all turns out for the best,
we get enough input and demand for this project.
WE will have this fall through production and improve our 240sx community
with a new performance bbk.

Once again,
Which size rotors would you guys be interested in?

I may also be able to put together a Two-Piece rotor for
those 240 track bulls,
But again, if demand is high.
I will try my best to have this available.

Tell em friends!!

[BigKriss]

356mm diameter , 6pot front,356mm rear, 4 pot rears with e-brake setup.

Rears..
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b324/BarryHenning/2013_07_01_IMG_6104Small_zpsca014db5.jpg (http://s22.photobucket.com/user/BarryHenning/media/2013_07_01_IMG_6104Small_zpsca014db5.jpg.html)

Fronts....

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b324/BarryHenning/IMG_4562Small-1.jpg (http://s22.photobucket.com/user/BarryHenning/media/IMG_4562Small-1.jpg.html)

May give you an idea of what will work on the S chassis as well..I have retro fitted Audi b7 Turbo stuff, Audi A8 ceramics etc..
Will watch your progress closely..cheers.

[Nonsense]

How did you manage to still have your ebrake?
PM for more details if you like,
Ill be very interested in discussing this with you,

We might be able to work something out like this.

What were trying to aim for is a set up similar to yours
Mainly with the ability to also keep the e-brake.

[S14DB]

Wilwood High-Performance Disc Brakes - Combination P-Brake Calipers (http://www.wilwood.com/calipers/CaliperList.aspx?subname=Combination%20P-Brake)

[manny(ΣAE)]

R1Concepts - OEM, Drilled & Slotted Brake Rotors - Brake Pads - Brake Calipers (http://www.r1concepts.com/Nissan-300ZX-1994-parts.aspx)

[Croustibat]

That looks like an advertisement thread, and the OP surely not has an ad account.

Anyway, def is currently advertising a wilwood real brake group buy on nrr, if people are interested. I am calling it "real brake" instead of "big brake" because they are no show brakes; they work very well, have an unbeatable weight and low maintenance price. Size is 300x32mm, 2 piece wilwood rotors, wilwood 4pots aluminium forged calipers(option for 6 pots i believe) and so on.

But of course, it does not fill a wheel. They are all bite and not much bark.

[BigKriss]

The brakes as depicted on my car are a local South African development by Vari Performance.
Rinaldo , the owner developed the e-brake caliper and mine are the second set to be fitted to a car. The first set were to a Volvo C40.
A clever little design of his but it needs to be tried and tested..

Check out the little "ears" sticking out from the edge of the caliper.
Simply two arms on a fulcrum hat are pulled in by the h/brake cable, moving the pads into contact with the disc..
I would not initiate drifting slides with it but it works well on quite steep inclines.
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b324/BarryHenning/2013_07_01_IMG_6105Small_zps2dea6e41.jpg (http://s22.photobucket.com/user/BarryHenning/media/2013_07_01_IMG_6105Small_zps2dea6e41.jpg.html)

[BigKriss]

Just Google d Vari. Check out the link , shows pics of the red Volvo I mentioned as well as the open caliper showing the e brake workings..
Notice the 12 pot Hummer type calipers this guy is making..
The pic of the MR wheel is my mates Toyota Celica GT4..
https://www.google.co.za/search?q=vari+brakes&client=firefox-a&hs=zFH&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=RNgHUom9JaXA7Aak7oDQBw&ved=0CEkQsAQ&biw=1680&bih=860

[Nonsense]

Thats interesting...

What i could try to do is keep the Stock calipers and use a design to make the bracket longer to fit a larger diameter rotor with the same Original rotor thickness..

Basically keeping the stock calipers, brake, brake master cylinder, act
while allowing around the same oem wheel clearance, keeping your own current hub set up, AND adding a larger rotor?

opinions??

[S14DB]

Stock single pistons?

[soundboy]

Larger rotor doesn't make sense with stock pistons.

Sent from my GT-P3110 using Tapatalk 4

[Nonsense]

Pretty much stock pistons. Yes

[jr_ss]

It's all been done... They have caliper spacers, to allow for a large diameter rotor for more braking torque w/ the factory caliper(I know they do for the rear brakes, unsure of for the front, but pointless). You can't beat a bolt on setup such as the Brembo/Z32 brakes. More than just caliper/rotor size has to be taken into account. Brake bias will be effected if you up the ante, which leads to master cylinder changes as well.

[S14DB]

It's all been done... They have caliper spacers, to allow for a large diameter rotor for more braking torque w/ the factory caliper(I know they do for the rear brakes, unsure of for the front, but pointless). You can't beat a bolt on setup such as the Brembo/Z32 brakes. More than just caliper/rotor size has to be taken into account. Brake bias will be effected if you up the ante, which leads to master cylinder changes as well.
For example:
Z1 Motorsports Brembo Brake Rotor Conversion Kit (http://www.z1motorsports.com/product_info.php?cPath=6_9&products_id=5653)

[Nonsense]

So far we are trying to include a front and rear kit
that will possibly fit 370z rotors (355mm x 32mm) - front
(350mm x 30mm) - Rear

or simply 350z Track size rotors (324mm x 30mm) - front
(322mm x 22mm) - Rear

Sizes similar to rotors mentioned.

New Brake Pads, SS brake lines, and hopefully be able to include the z32 rear drum brake assembly for the e-brake function. (if there is a possible source).

we are still debating on caliper size/pistons..
rotors will most likely be two piece.

opinions?:s101:

[jr_ss]

With what calipers? I hope your aren't trying it with the Z32 caliper/pad. On the 350 Brembo rotor/Z32 caliper setup, the pad hangs over a good .125", rendering that portion of the pad useless.

You're trying to reinvent the wheel here.

[97nismo]

Yea and for people on a budget nothing stops much better than my setup

Sentra front brembos 305mm x 22mm
Altima rotor in rear with z31 carrier

So many options already not sure what your trying to do here

[Nonsense]

No stock calipers will be used,

What we have been thinking of possibly doing is a new kit with new calipers, rotors, pads, and ss brake lines and a 240sx to 300zx brake master cylinder including the 300zx drum brake assembly (if we can hopefully find a source) to keep the e-brake. We will build custom built rotors to have the ability to use the 300zx drum set up while having a larger rotor..

If all is well.. a all in one kit.


we are going to be testing the fitment and pad contact to insure its actually a brake upgrade. rather than what what jr_ss mentioned about the pads.

the main goal here is to have a complete kit with all the bells and whistles.
where performance will be key.

opinions on what rotor dimensions and caliper size can be use full
for this development.

and yes,
budget will determine what brake upgrade you will end up with,
we are hoping to make a true performance BBK that will be affordable for those who actually seek a performance Brake kit for their use.

[Mile High Silvia]

I have the stop tech kit up front with stock rear caliper and stoptech rotors and dono what pads. But it'll stop for sure. Think I need a proportioning valve as it will lock up the front tires if I stomp on it.

[Mile High Silvia]

http://i310.photobucket.com/albums/kk432/dub_slug/Silvia%20S13%20Sr/465FDB55-5385-41D4-BE12-A6BFD234DE9E-1443-000000675E473450_zps55d0dd10.jpg

[Nonsense]

I have the stop tech kit up front with stock rear caliper and stoptech rotors and dono what pads. But it'll stop for sure. Think I need a proportioning valve as it will lock up the front tires if I stomp on it.

Nice!
Whats your review on them so far?

[Nonsense]

We have considered to use 330mm x 22mm Rotors.

[holemilk00]

After putting the 370z akebono kit on with the larger master, the rest of this thread is useless. And front and rears can be had for $1200. Don't know anything that can beat that for pad surface, piston size, area force, and over all braking torque for $1200.

[Nonsense]

That actually is true..
I looked them up at z1 motoring,
that is a very good deal.
Its going to be hard to try and produce a better product.
but ill try to work something out,

Do you think a 14' rotor will be a need/want for a 240sx?

[Nonsense]

After putting the 370z akebono kit on with the larger master, the rest of this thread is useless. And front and rears can be had for $1200. Don't know anything that can beat that for pad surface, piston size, area force, and over all braking torque for $1200.

Thanks for the input

[S14DB]

We have considered to use 330mm x 22mm Rotors.

Kind of thin IMHO. Would prefer 32mm thick.

You also want to note people looking for stopping performance will probably be running a 17" wheel.

[Chaluska]

i love, love LOVE my CTS-V calipers with EVO 8 slotted rotors, and Ferrari OEM brake pads.

my S13 stops on a hair.

http://chaluska.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/20130209-164515.jpg?w=510

from a manufacturing standpoint, if you can use those calipers, they are like $126.00 brand new from GM each.. it is literally the best bang for your buck

my whole setup was just under $700.00

[Nonsense]

i love, love LOVE my CTS-V calipers with EVO 8 slotted rotors, and Ferrari OEM brake pads.

my S13 stops on a hair.

http://chaluska.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/20130209-164515.jpg?w=510

from a manufacturing standpoint, if you can use those calipers, they are like $126.00 brand new from GM each.. it is literally the best bang for your buck

my whole setup was just under $700.00

Did you set up your e-brake?

and did you print the Nissan on them?
the pictured calipers are CTS-V?? or from a Nissan?

[Nonsense]

Kind of thin IMHO. Would prefer 32mm thick.

You also want to note people looking for stopping performance will probably be running a 17" wheel.

Ill take a thicker rotor under consideration.
Ill keep you guys updated

[jr_ss]

Problem with the Akebono, CTS-V, etc is they are heavy. However, most people aren't concerned with that.

I run an aftermarket Wilwood setup with 350Z Brembo rotors. Pads are extremely cheap and so are the calipers. The whole setup can be had for under $600 dollars, cheaper if you buy cheaper rotors.

[holemilk00]

If you're talking about unsprung weight, then a set of DBA5000 rotors for an akebono kit will equal out the difference between them and the wilwood set up with brembo blanks.

[Chaluska]

Problem with the Akebono, CTS-V, etc is they are heavy. However, most people aren't concerned with that.

I run an aftermarket Wilwood setup with 350Z Brembo rotors. Pads are extremely cheap and so are the calipers. The whole setup can be had for under $600 dollars, cheaper if you buy cheaper rotors.

the huge CTS calipers weight less than the stock single piston s13 cast iron calipers..

the rotors on the other hand.... hahahah

as far as e-brake, im running the full Z32 rear caliper/rotor/drum setup

[Nonsense]

Kind of thin IMHO. Would prefer 32mm thick.

You also want to note people looking for stopping performance will probably be running a 17" wheel.

True,
I will see what I can do to make sure we have a great kit
fitting rims 17+,

Thanks

[97nismo]

there are only a handfull of guys willing to pay over 2k for a brake setup....look to see how many for sale threads selling evo calipers for 700...if the whole kit could be bought for around 1k with working e brake i would be in...and not too mention the wheels 18s would be mandatory i would imagine

[Mile High Silvia]

Nice!
Whats your review on them so far?


They're badass! Sorry for the late reply. But I'm in love it's the kit. Driving my other cars with factory braking just seems sketchy now. But I might need a proportioning valve as it will lock up the fronts with ease. On the track or certain situations I get a little excited and stomp the brakes and they lock up and smoke real easy. For canyon and city driving I would highly recommend them. Feels so much safer in traffic. I have stoptech rear rotors and not sure of the pads but I'm very happy with my stoptechs. If I had the money I'd put a kit on all my cars.

[Mile High Silvia]

Sidenote: I've always liked larger rotors. I feel like they give a good feel when applying light braking with steady pedal pressure for high speed stopping. And also assuming that larger rotors equal more surface area which In-turn helps keep temps low?

My s13 is used for daily driving, drifting, drag and canyon. I love my stoptech kit for every aspect of my driving.

[Nonsense]

Thank you for your input mile high!

Ill give you guys an update on the kit later today.

[Nonsense]

there are only a handfull of guys willing to pay over 2k for a brake setup....look to see how many for sale threads selling evo calipers for 700...if the whole kit could be bought for around 1k with working e brake i would be in...and not too mention the wheels 18s would be mandatory i would imagine

That first statement is 100% true.

But I doubt The kit I'm trying to put together will be 1k.

What I can also do Like I previously mention (I think I have)

Is,
I can make another kit that includes
bigger oem brackets to enable a larger rotor to fit,
without having to replace the oem calipers.

I know our calipers are one piston.. which sucks compared to the 2-4-6 pistons. but they will perform better.

I can put together a kit like this for both front and rear
using one piece rotors for around 1200.
or using two piece rotors for 2ishh.

Keeping the whole brake system stock,
only giving the calipers steroids to fit larger diameter rotors.
Which probably be the same thickness.

It wont be on of those "Extended Brackets"
that push the original caliper bracket upwards and makes the brake pad retarded. creating a problem where the pad doesn't contact the rotor correctly.

[Nonsense]

OR..

Instead of making the Bracket for the 240sx caliper,
well provide it for the 300zx Calipers.

[vehicle336]

I know I just want to be able to fit a nice 2-piece rotor under my Z32 calipers. With how many people are running the Z32/R32 brake setups already, having a quality, hardcore caliper would be the best option since most of us already have that setup. Bigger base of customers, fewer parts to buy, and for those of us that don't hardpark, having a vented 2-piece rotor that won't cook to hell after a 20-min session would be a nice upgrade. Bracket adapters and a pair of larger, good 2-piece rotors, sign me up.

I should add: There's nothing wrong with the stock z32 caliper, it's nice, 4 piston, cheap and available, I just need more surface area and something that will vent well.

[Nonsense]

I know I just want to be able to fit a nice 2-piece rotor under my Z32 calipers. With how many people are running the Z32/R32 brake setups already, having a quality, hardcore caliper would be the best option since most of us already have that setup. Bigger base of customers, fewer parts to buy, and for those of us that don't hardpark, having a vented 2-piece rotor that won't cook to hell after a 20-min session would be a nice upgrade. Bracket adapters and a pair of good 2-piece rotors, sign me up.

Thank you for your input :)

I believe that will be a great alternate.
I will see what I can do to get this option set for production.

I will keep you updated on what size two piece rotors we can provide.

[Croustibat]

I know I just want to be able to fit a nice 2-piece rotor under my Z32 calipers. With how many people are running the Z32/R32 brake setups already, having a quality, hardcore caliper would be the best option since most of us already have that setup. Bigger base of customers, fewer parts to buy, and for those of us that don't hardpark, having a vented 2-piece rotor that won't cook to hell after a 20-min session would be a nice upgrade. Bracket adapters and a pair of good 2-piece rotors, sign me up.

Lol
i think at least 95% of posters here are cheap hardparkers.

For those who dont hardpark, just head over nrr and get a real brake kit. DefSport 12.2" Wilwood Kit - Group Buy Round 3!!! - Nissan Road Racing Forums (http://www.nissanroadracing.com/showthread.php?t=4590)

[vehicle336]

Lol
i think at least 95% of posters here are cheap hardparkers.

For those who dont hardpark, just head over nrr and get a real brake kit. DefSport 12.2" Wilwood Kit - Group Buy Round 3!!! - Nissan Road Racing Forums (http://www.nissanroadracing.com/showthread.php?t=4590)

Too true, and yes, I'm interested in that kit, but as a 'cheap' option for the OP, I think it would make sense to just use what most people already run as calipers.

[Nonsense]

Too true, and yes, I'm interested in that kit, but as a 'cheap' option for the OP, I think it would make sense to just use what most people already run as calipers.

Would you consider the 300z OEM Caliper upgrade with a full set
(FRONT+ REAR)
Two Piece Rotors and brake pads for around 2,000$ Though?

[vehicle336]

Would you consider the 300z OEM Caliper upgrade with a full set
(FRONT+ REAR)
Two Piece Rotors and brake pads for around 2,000$ Though?


Z32 calipers are cheap for all four corners, there's no way someone spends 2k on a z32 brake swap, even if there were 2-piece rotors available, which I have yet to see.

[Nonsense]

Z32 calipers are cheap for all four corners, there's no way someone spends 2k on a z32 brake swap, even if there were 2-piece rotors available, which I have yet to see.

That will most likely be the price for the caliper upgrade.
around 2k, for the complete front and rear upgrade.

[vehicle336]

I don't know where you're getting that cost.

http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/532480-front-rear-z32-brakes-rotors-300-a.html

[Nonsense]

I don't know where you're getting that cost.

http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/532480-front-rear-z32-brakes-rotors-300-a.html

2k for

2 front two piece rotors
2 rear two piece rotors
front and rear brake pads

and the full front and back 300zx bracket upgrade.

Meaning you must have the 300zx brakes yourself.
rotors would more than likely be around a 13 inch

[Nonsense]

Anyone here with 300zx brakes that would love to go two piece?

another idea like mention might be put to production..

[Croustibat]

Dude, i think it is time you understand no one wants a Z32 caliper based kit for more than 500$. INCLUDING calipers. I know you are looking to make money here, but you are 10 years late for that.

Cheap brake upgrades are covered, cheap suspension upgrades are covered, whole front and rear suspension setups are covered, cheap engine mods are covered, cheap chassis braces are SOMEWHAT covered (i think there is still some room for a real chassis brace that would bolt on the floor, to prevent front / rear torsion), lightweight is also well covered too, with lexan windows and fiber parts.

Do yourself a favor and forget about that. If you are going for something "NEW", first check there are not cheaper, better working, better looking alternatives.

[Mile High Silvia]

....could easily buy a used, yet baller, brembo kit for less than 2k. 2k for just rotors?

[jr_ss]

Like we've said, there is already a bracket kit to utilize larger rotors with 300zx calipers. If you can use factory rotors, you can use two piece rotors designed to work around them, that are already available. No one is going to pay 2k for what you mentioned. Hell you can get Def-sport brakes engineered by an engineer for under 1k. Brake bias changes when you swap to huge calipers in the front and leave the rears alone, this effects braking characteristics.

It's a good thought and continue thinking outside of the box, but you need to do this stuff for newer cars that don't have 50 different brake setup alternatives. Or less popular chassis'.

[holemilk00]

Go work ok this sort of thing for an FRS/BRZ

[Nonsense]

I will be making exactly $0.00 out of this
Yeah, there is a whole range of kits to choose from.

BUT!
I am still motivated, if not,
twice as much to create yet another BBK
for our 240s

I will make sure its different than most available kits and hopefully prove it with
track drivers.

Performance/Price Will Equal :faint:

Thanks for your input!

[Mile High Silvia]

Like we've said, there is already a bracket kit to utilize larger rotors with 300zx calipers. If you can use factory rotors, you can use two piece rotors designed to work around them, that are already available. No one is going to pay 2k for what you mentioned. Hell you can get Def-sport brakes engineered by an engineer for under 1k. Brake bias changes when you swap to huge calipers in the front and leave the rears alone, this effects braking characteristics.

It's a good thought and continue thinking outside of the box, but you need to do this stuff for newer cars that don't have 50 different brake setup alternatives. Or less popular chassis'.

i agree with everything said here. no body is going to pay 2k for rotors. thats just ridiculous. i have the stop tech bbk and its 2k for 2 piece rotors, huge lightweight calipers, and pads.

how about a bbk for under $1k? that would sell.

[Croustibat]

I will be making exactly $0.00 out of this
Yeah, there is a whole range of kits to choose from.

BUT!
I am still motivated, if not,
twice as much to create yet another BBK
for our 240s

I will make sure its different than most available kits and hopefully prove it with
track drivers.

Performance/Price Will Equal :faint:

Thanks for your input!

You still dont understand.

Of course you will be making 0$ , because no one will buy them. there already TONS of big brake kits that mostly sell for half your rotors price, and they have been proven to work already. There is no market for another one. Try if you want, but you are just wasting time and money.

[Nonsense]

Well see what happens

[niscur29]

Dude you just aren't getting it. My brand new CTSV front brake package that I slapped together via Mazworx, rock auto, and amazon was a whopping 500 bucks for brand new everything which netted me brembos in the front. They are aluminum, lighter than my stock calipers, the size of a milk carton, and combined with evo rotors the car stops nothing short of awesome, and this is with a front heavy iron LS and stock rear calipers. I'd love to upgrade the rear to match, but no way in hell I would ever drop that much coin. You want to do something amazing? Figure out a product that costs more that Z32 front/rears but better performance and less than a front and rear willwood, stoptech for the same performance and you will have your product.

FYI, You can correct brake bias while going larger in the front only via a pathfinder master cylinder. Same bias as stock but a 1" MC.

[Nonsense]

Dude you just aren't getting it. My brand new CTSV front brake package that I slapped together via Mazworx, rock auto, and amazon was a whopping 500 bucks for brand new everything which netted me brembos in the front. They are aluminum, lighter than my stock calipers, the size of a milk carton, and combined with evo rotors the car stops nothing short of awesome, and this is with a front heavy iron LS and stock rear calipers. I'd love to upgrade the rear to match, but no way in hell I would ever drop that much coin. You want to do something amazing? Figure out a product that costs more that Z32 front/rears but better performance and less than a front and rear willwood, stoptech for the same performance and you will have your product.

FYI, You can correct brake bias while going larger in the front only via a pathfinde
r master cylinder. Same bias as stock but a 1" MC.

Thanks bro

[shiftdrift]

Defsport Wilwood kit...... end thread

[Nonsense]

And its set..

2 Front 13" Two Piece Rotors 26mm Thickness.
2 Front 4 Piston Calipers

2 Rear 13" One-Piece Rotors
2 Rear 2 Piston Calipers

Adapters
Brake Pads
SS Brake Lines
and Mounting Bolts

FOR
$2,499

Akebono?
this kit will weigh Half the weight of that Brake Kit.
but yes you can purchase the whole complete one piece kit for around 2000$

well..
If you want a True Light Weight, New, and Directly Researched with a s14 for exact measurements and details.
let me know, Kit will be put into production with in this year.

Keep in mind,
don't think ill be making a dime out of this.
i'm only here to announce.

Only thing I am getting out of this is brag rights in personally working 1on1 with a actual brake company to develop a kit for my own 240sx.

[[email protected]]

I'll pm you to give you some perspective, I have experience producing bbk's... and even I'm reluctant to touch the 240sx hah

[e2blade]

The brakes as depicted on my car are a local South African development by Vari Performance.
Rinaldo , the owner developed the e-brake caliper and mine are the second set to be fitted to a car. The first set were to a Volvo C40.
A clever little design of his but it needs to be tried and tested..

Check out the little "ears" sticking out from the edge of the caliper.
Simply two arms on a fulcrum hat are pulled in by the h/brake cable, moving the pads into contact with the disc..
I would not initiate drifting slides with it but it works well on quite steep inclines.
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b324/BarryHenning/2013_07_01_IMG_6105Small_zps2dea6e41.jpg (http://s22.photobucket.com/user/BarryHenning/media/2013_07_01_IMG_6105Small_zps2dea6e41.jpg.html)

Hello, I would love to learn more about this BBK and possibly purchase this.
If you could contact me either through PM or email, that would be great

[email protected]

[jr_ss]

Hello, I would love to learn more about this BBK and possibly purchase this.
If you could contact me either through PM or email, that would be great

[email protected]

No offense, but why don't YOU contact him if you want more information on his setup. Do some leg work man...