Made in America

[Corbic]

This is the Made in America thread. All shit 'murican.


In the last 10 years I've generally done my best to spend the extra 10% and buy 'murican.

Normally you get a better product or warranty as well as knowing your supporting your friends, family and neighbors. There is also the added philanthropic benifit of being able to say no to exploitative and questionable labor practices from overseas.


What inspired me today - (saw this guy pull up to my local dinner).


http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/CYMERA_20130728_184333_zpsbd248870.jpg

[Corbic]

My own Made in American fun for the day.
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/CYMERA_20130728_201320_zps2d6bb46f.jpg

[Felipe]

Nice... Its like "post a picture of your last purchase" thread, but the Umerrrka eddition lol

[Corbic]

Nice... Its like "post a picture of your last purchase" thread, but the Umerrrka eddition lol

Said nothing about "latest purchase".

Reading comprehension -

This is the Made in America thread. All shit 'murican.

[Felipe]

What about stuff assembled in america... Does that count?

[FRpilot]

i been researching and looking into purchasing a cordless drill/impact driver combo kit for the last month. I went to Home Depot and looked at boxes of all the high-end brands (Makita, DeWalt, Milwaukee, & Bosch) and everything was made in China...

I'd like to support USA, but I when companies based in US (Makita/Milwaukee) don't even manufacture in the US anymore, what can I do? I don't intend to get Snap-On for cordless tool, so I'll probably settle for one of those brands I looked at.

[az_240]

That guy at the diner is a dying breed. This generation just doesn't give a fuck. Also nearly impossible to find anything electronic made in the U.S. Pressure from retailers to lower cost and corporate greed usually lead to outsourcing.

I laugh a little inside when I see the "Made in China, Assembled in America". I guess it's something right?

These days if I need something I usually search craigslist for old stuff "Made in America". Just picked up an old Lakewood high velocity fan the other day.

[AFSil80]

I sold my 240, and I'm building this for my Dad. He bought one brand new from the dealership in 1966 when he got back from Vietnam.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/AFSil80/2_zps1e175091.jpg

[Felipe]

Nice... Color?

[Matej]

http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/CYMERA_20130728_184333_zpsbd248870.jpg
Ironically, those motorcycles just convert fuel to noise, while their Japanese and European counterparts are much more efficient and reliable, not to mention affordable. :)

[dawagarage]

This is the Made in America thread. All shit 'murican.


In the last 10 years I've generally done my best to spend the extra 10% and buy 'murican.

Normally you get a better product or warranty as well as knowing your supporting your friends, family and neighbors. There is also the added philanthropic benifit of being able to say no to exploitative and questionable labor practices from overseas.


What inspired me today - (saw this guy pull up to my local dinner).


http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/CYMERA_20130728_184333_zpsbd248870.jpg

i wonder if that flag was made in china. a lot of them are now a days, unless that guy went out of his way to find one made in USA.

i went out of my way to find an american made cast iron skillet. turned out the one i bought is an american company but the product was made in china... which is happening a lot these days because companies just cant compete. there are a lot of american run companies selling chinese made products that (still) have good/life time warranties.

it is sad to see things like this go by the way side.

even craftsman is doing it. and if you didnt know, craftsman underwent a class action law suit because at one time they were branding some of their chinese made stuff as "made in usa." they stopped doing that, and now they have a chinese line and american line. chinese stuff doesnt have the lifetime warranty

[Felipe]

Just like team usa clothes for the olympics that was made in china.

[terrence]

What inspired me today - (saw this guy pull up to my local dinner).


http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/CYMERA_20130728_184333_zpsbd248870.jpg

You've never been to a Harley-Davidson factory have you? Assembled in America yes, but not made.

[VROOOM]

Kinda funny i am reading this right now. we just put some cylinder liners in a Mack engine and they were made in India. i thought all mack parts were made in the US.

[PeaceOnesxWai]

Ironically, those motorcycles just convert fuel to noise, while their Japanese and European counterparts are much more efficient and reliable, not to mention affordable. :)

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Corbic]

Kinda funny i am reading this right now. we just put some cylinder liners in a Mack engine and they were made in India. i thought all mack parts were made in the US.

Shows how far we've slid. Are the actual OEM parts or just 3rd party replacements? Lots of stupid people think the shit sold at Autozone and Advanced are "OEM".

"God damn Ford, POS, this is the third Starter I bought from Advanced".

[Corbic]

You've never been to a Harley-Davidson factory have you? Assembled in America yes, but not made.

What is your point? At least they are still assembly them in the US and are American owned. 65% of the parts in a Harley are made in the US. Thats a 100% then the typical metric bike.

It's the reality we live in, many small components and electronics exclusively come from over seas these days.

Good news though - while some of Harley's components and fasteners come from overseas - I guess Yamaha and Honda are simply happy to have their entire motorcycles built in China.

Triumphs are now built in Thailand - joy.

[Corbic]

even craftsman is doing it. and if you didnt know, craftsman underwent a class action law suit because at one time they were branding some of their chinese made stuff as "made in usa." they stopped doing that, and now they have a chinese line and american line. chinese stuff doesnt have the lifetime warranty

Yes, Craftsman pisses me off. They not only outsourced to China, breaking their tradition, but they did so in an underhanded way. Even now they continue to let people believe they are "Made in America".

What Craftsman should have done, instead of running to China, was dump the Sears exclusivity sooner. I also don't see how China helped them since their products are still 4 times as expensive has Harbor Freight, although the tolerances are still better.

Sadly, there is a lot of info out there showing how their tolerances and metallurgy is far worse then what it was 10 years ago.

[Corbic]

Ironically, those motorcycles just convert fuel to noise, while their Japanese and European counterparts are much more efficient and reliable, not to mention affordable. :)

It's a fucking motorcycle dumbass. Go buy a scooter if you want cheap and efficient.

A Road King, at nearly 800lbs, will return 45mpg all day long. :picardfp:


Expensive?

Goldwing - Starts $23,000

Road King - Starts $17,600

BMW K1600 - Starts at $21,000


The new Yamaha Bolt, which is a blatant rip off of the Sportser is within a few $100 of the Sporty while not offering a single compelling reason to buy it.

[AFSil80]

Nice... Color?

His was originally burgundy, while this one was white. Probably going to go burgundy. I'm letting him decide the paint, and I told him I'm picking the wheels. ;)

[Mikester]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CluHyiHj_uk/Td5shsyMDzI/AAAAAAAADPw/18htfVCTwsE/s320/john_wayne.jpg

^^Even though I would never really sit thru one of his movies... About as American as it gets!

[Dolph_KYAS13]

i been researching and looking into purchasing a cordless drill/impact driver combo kit for the last month. I went to Home Depot and looked at boxes of all the high-end brands (Makita, DeWalt, Milwaukee, & Bosch) and everything was made in China...

I'd like to support USA, but I when companies based in US (Makita/Milwaukee) don't even manufacture in the US anymore, what can I do? I don't intend to get Snap-On for cordless tool, so I'll probably settle for one of those brands I looked at.

Yep. I used to design powertools at a product design firm. and was shocked. how it works is Dewalt, Makita ect. all have very distinct and reputable brand identities and license it out and get their product manufactured overseas. there is no "Makita" factory in china, rather one that just makes drills.

If you look closely you can even see in some cases that the same tooling was used to make the parts and that they are just molded in the particular brands colors.

[VROOOM]

Shows how far we've slid. Are the actual OEM parts or just 3rd party replacements? Lots of stupid people think the shit sold at Autozone and Advanced are "OEM".

"God damn Ford, POS, this is the third Starter I bought from Advanced".

they are genuine Mack replacement parts bought at a Mack dealer. the company i work for has over 400 Mack trucks and only uses OEM parts.

[turbo2nr]

Murica'

http://www.imgbase.info/images/safe-wallpapers/miscellaneous/funny/26097_funny_murica_f_yeah.jpg

http://dash.ponychan.net/chan/files/src/137292793066.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1ZfmiN8GI9I/ThEAc86qKzI/AAAAAAAABnQ/Tz71jw00Gyc/s320/willf.jpg

[AFSil80]

OHHHH the ironing...none of those guns behind the Statue of Liberty are built by American owned companies.

[VROOOM]

OHHHH the ironing...none of those guns behind the Statue of Liberty are built by American owned companies.

might need this for your ironing
http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/745887/9142210/0/1243267633/Ironing_board.jpg

i think they are just saying america loves guns.

[AFSil80]

^ I'll take it only if it was Made in America.

http://fandomania.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/vlcsnap-00004.png

[TougeLove]

i would buy american if american politicians didnt ship their own companies overseas, or america didnt charge a shit load for a gas guzzle, unreliable truck. and a bunch of other reasons.


but to be relevant I have 3 sector 9 boards and some rainbow sandals.

[dawagarage]

Yep. I used to design powertools at a product design firm. and was shocked. how it works is Dewalt, Makita ect. all have very distinct and reputable brand identities and license it out and get their product manufactured overseas. there is no "Makita" factory in china, rather one that just makes drills.

If you look closely you can even see in some cases that the same tooling was used to make the parts and that they are just molded in the particular brands colors.

i see that all the time in all kinds of tools. chainfalls, vacuums, welders, kitchen appliances. and yeah like you said they just change up the color and labels!

[Tearlessj]

now they have a chinese line and american line. chinese stuff doesnt have the lifetime warranty

Yes it does.

[Brian]

Picked up a new flag the other day at the surplus store. Made in USA, actually.

Also, been picking up DSCP shirts recently. plain. brown. no problem, man.

Just got a new US Issue Gerber MP600 today as well.

Got to keep the ball rolling...

My New Balances are made here too apparently.

[Felipe]

Got one of thies for my birthday

Smith&wesson
http://www.knife-depot.com/images/product/62/6_300489.jpg

[imotion s14]

I support capitalism.

[dawagarage]

Yes it does.

couldve sworn i read somewhere that it doesnt, but couldnt find an example (http://www.craftsman.com/shc/s/nb_10155_12602_NB_CSwarranty?adCell=WF&sid=ISx20110429x00001&psid=64x12739#point8).
Got one of thies for my birthday

Smith&wesson
http://www.knife-depot.com/images/product/62/6_300489.jpg

made in china or USA?
last year i searched and searched for a US made knife. settled on one at sports chalet. i told the guy i wanted one that was action open, american made, and had serrations. after i got home i saw 'made in china.' $80 knife! it did have a warranty though.

ive read that some 'american' companies like gerber, buck, s&w have 2 lines. 1 is the high quality US stuff and the other is the inexpensive stuff outsourced to china. it's companies like walmart that stock their products that demand these US companies offer them (walmart) a cheap product

[Davidna2fi]

I love to hear debates that deal with items assembled in the USA with parts made in another country due to cost. Once Chinese workers begin to raise their pay due to livable wage standards, all the companies will come back to the USA and hire. Anyone follow what is happening to Apple and Foxxconn over in China? Last year 1,000 workers vowed to commit suicide if wages were not increased...those employees won. It's small steps like these that will eventually bring work back to the US and world economies will become BALANCED, not equal, just BALANCED at who can make what the best and not the cheapest. I think Germany has a pretty good grip on Automotive Technology.

[az_240]

Got one of thies for my birthday

Smith&wesson
http://www.knife-depot.com/images/product/62/6_300489.jpg

ahahah I actually dropped that exact knife into my bare foot a few years back. Couldn't do shit for like a year because of it and still dealing with pain to this day.

Honestly tho it's a pos. You literally have to hold the knife really tight or it just flops around as you try to cut something... it's heavy for it's size but not a solid knife by any means.

[S14DB]

OHHHH the ironing...none of those guns behind the Statue of Liberty are built by American owned companies.
Thread is Made in America. Not owned by Americans.
2 of them are Made in America. I wouldn't be surprised if the other 4 are for 922 compliance.

I love to hear debates that deal with items assembled in the USA with parts made in another country due to cost. Once Chinese workers begin to raise their pay due to livable wage standards, all the companies will come back to the USA and hire. Anyone follow what is happening to Apple and Foxxconn over in China? Last year 1,000 workers vowed to commit suicide if wages were not increased...those employees won. It's small steps like these that will eventually bring work back to the US and world economies will become BALANCED, not equal, just BALANCED at who can make what the best and not the cheapest.
Only thing that will work in China is Corporate Responsibility and inspections. A lot of large company's having their stuff made in foreign countries are holding their factory's to higher standards and hiring people or 3rd party's to check the plants for compliance. Unfortunately most of this comes from public pressure and embarrassment from leaked videos. Very few company's do it to be fair to their workers. But, this is true anywhere in the world...
I think Germany has a pretty good grip on Automotive Technology.
Never owned a German car? Most German cars aren't even made in Germany anymore.
What's really sad is that there are more foreign cars made in the USA than American cars.


Really we have always been innovators and creators and not worker bee's.Most of are GPD comes from white collar not blue.

Another interesting article:
Trade surging as Mexico consumers embrace 'Made in USA' | Business & Technology | The Seattle Times (http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2019119008_mexicoamericana11.html)

[Mikester]

none of those guns behind the Statue of Liberty are built by American owned companies.

LOL as S14DB said, 2 are...

More ironic yet- The statue of Liberty was built in France :D

[AFSil80]

Ownership/made in America blah blah blah.










I still want the FNC on the bottom so I can pretend I'm Al Pacino in "Heat"...one came up for sale about a year ago on our local gun trading site for the hefty price of $4000.

http://www.imfdb.org/images/8/8e/Heat-FNC.jpg

[tiggertsi]

What is your point? At least they are still assembly them in the US and are American owned. 65% of the parts in a Harley are made in the US. Thats a 100% then the typical metric bike.

where did this 65% figure come from? i'd like to know. on my harley almost everything is NOT made in the US. the only things i can think of that are would be the bare frame and some of the engine componets and tank and fenders.

[dawagarage]

I love to hear debates that deal with items assembled in the USA with parts made in another country due to cost. Once Chinese workers begin to raise their pay due to livable wage standards, all the companies will come back to the USA and hire. Anyone follow what is happening to Apple and Foxxconn over in China? Last year 1,000 workers vowed to commit suicide if wages were not increased...those employees won. It's small steps like these that will eventually bring work back to the US and world economies will become BALANCED, not equal, just BALANCED at who can make what the best and not the cheapest. I think Germany has a pretty good grip on Automotive Technology.

im glad to hear an occasion of when the workers actually won. i listen to npr news sometimes and they were talking about that recent fire at one of the 'sweat shops,' i want to say in was in malaysia (correct me if im wrong.) it was a tragic story of how many people died because the building safety was lacking big time. a few workers were interviewed and they say that even if they protest, do not work, etc that their rates wont be changed (raised.) the reason for this is that if they ask H&M and similar companies to raise their wages, those companies will just look for cheap workers elsewhere in other countries (india, etc)

but there is a good outcome to all of that. a bunch of big companies signed a contract or similar saying they will raise rates, and ensure building safety, and all that. i think walmart was one of the big companies who was asked to join and they said no, later stating that they would do their own safety audits and all that.

[Corbic]

where did this 65% figure come from? i'd like to know. on my harley almost everything is NOT made in the US. the only things i can think of that are would be the bare frame and some of the engine componets and tank and fenders.

The Google.

http://www.v-twinforum.com/forums/v-twin-forum-general-harley-talk/202282-made-usa.html

Much of the meat and potatoes are US Made. It's the tacky accessories and branded garbage that comes from over seas. You can avoid this problem by buying non-HD accessories. Just shop for hand made mom+pop custom parts made by people all across the US.

I'd rather give a guy working out of a rental garage a thousand bucks for some saddle bags then buy some garbage at a dealer with some cool logos.

[DJ-of-E]

You can avoid this problem by buying non-HD accessories. Just shop for hand made mom+pop custom parts made by people all across the US.

I'd rather give a guy working out of a rental garage a thousand bucks for some saddle bags then buy some garbage at a dealer with some cool logos.

That's just you, but considering capitalism puts value on non-usable criteria, such as "branding," 10 other people would just pay the extra 300% just for the brand.

$50 polo shirts, anyone?

Also, even if it is made in America, the person sewing it is makng pennies for each shirt to make. Go thank American Apparrel and a bunch of Vietnamese families >_>

[Corbic]

That's just you, but considering capitalism puts value on non-usable criteria, such as "branding," 10 other people would just pay the extra 300% just for the brand.

$50 polo shirts, anyone?

Also, even if it is made in America, the person sewing it is makng pennies for each shirt to make. Go thank American Apparrel and a bunch of Vietnamese families >_>

Most people are stupid and shop at Walmart.

I personally get greater satisfaction knowing I have "artisan" produced good over mass marketed garbage.

This is especially true when dealing with motorcycles and cars.

[Felipe]

made in china or USA?

Not sure... I see no markings.

Model: swbg2t



ahahah I actually dropped that exact knife into my bare foot a few years back. Couldn't do shit for like a year because of it and still dealing with pain to this day.

Honestly tho it's a pos. You literally have to hold the knife really tight or it just flops around as you try to cut something... it's heavy for it's size but not a solid knife by any means.

Yeah it is heavy lol locks in prety good havent had any folding problems.... Yet! lol

[!Zar!]

My New Balances are made here too apparently.

Only certain models. Over 75% of all New Balance shoes are made overseas.

And of those Made in the USA models, only 70% (iirc) are actually required to be made in the USA to be able to adorn that badge.

[Corbic]

http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/CYMERA_20130802_144420_zpsb0756898.jpg

http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/CYMERA_20130802_144523_zpsf4385dd9.jpg


Hands down the most comfortable shoe evar.

[Brian]

Only certain models. Over 75% of all New Balance shoes are made overseas.

And of those Made in the USA models, only 70% (iirc) are actually required to be made in the USA to be able to adorn that badge.



Yes I know. The ones I have are USA ones.

[Felipe]

Im surprised that no one has said anything about toyota in nascar...

[Corbic]

Im surprised that no one has said anything about toyota in nascar...

Why?

The only thing "Toyota" is the block and it would not suprise me if it was milled in the USA. If fact it would not suprise me if everyone involved in the program is an American.

Besides, 4-5 of their vehicles are on the top 10 list for highest US parts content. (Camry, Sienna, Tundra, Avalon and depending on the list Tacoma).

Chrysler is owned by the same Italians that destroyed AMC and are now looking to kill the Dodge brand. That's more of a concern to me.

[S14DB]

Why?

The only thing "Toyota" is the block and it would not suprise me if it was milled in the USA. If fact it would not suprise me if everyone involved in the program is an American.

Besides, 4-5 of their vehicles are on the top 10 list for highest US parts content. (Camry, Sienna, Tundra, Avalon and depending on the list Tacoma).

Chrysler is owned by the same Italians that destroyed AMC and are now looking to kill the Dodge brand. That's more of a concern to me.
Toyota manufactures only the engine block, the cylinder heads, the valve seats and guides, and the valley cover, White said. Like the other manufacturers, Toyota outsources all other engine-related parts from traditional NASCAR vendors such as Edelbrock, Crane, Drake, and Holley.
Building Toyota's Pushrod V-8 (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/tundra-and-lightning-feature-building-toyotas-pushrod-v-8-page-6)
In truth, White had more to do with designing TRD's integrated approach than anyone from Japan. This writer did not see a single Japanese engineer or executive, although a number did come to Daytona in February. Another group went to the race at Richmond last fall, where they got into a beer-chugging contest at a tailgating party and drank magaritas mixed with a gas-powered weed whacker (powered by a Honda, to their chagrin).

I second that most of the Toyota's sold in America were built in America. Big three's cars are coming from Mexico and Canada.


Chrysler got fleeced by MB and now it looks like Fiat is going to slowly re-brand their cars as dodges. Still pissed at the "Imported to Detroit" crap and suing Pure Detroit. When none of the cars in the ad were made in Detroit.

[Matej]

Trying to desperately cling to buying American-made hard goods is dumb. In fact, chances are that you will only get an overpriced and inferior product.

America has been mainly a service economy for a while now. There is nothing wrong with that. That actually means that its economy has evolved beyond the point of having to rely on the country's industry and manufacture. A service economy is the staple of a first world country, so you gentlemen should embrace it instead.

Or if you want to be able to buy more American trinkets, disband all the unions and convince assembly line and factory workers that they are overpaid. If they do not want kids in Indonesia to take their jobs, they should be willing to work for less and give up their health care and all the other benefits that they for some reason feel entitled to.

[S14DB]

Trying to desperately cling to buying American-made hard goods is dumb. In fact, chances are that you will only get an overpriced and inferior product.

America has been mainly a service economy for a while now. There is nothing wrong with that. That actually means that its economy has evolved beyond the point of having to rely on the country's industry and manufacture. A service economy is the staple of a first world country, so you gentlemen should embrace it instead.

Or if you want to be able to buy more American trinkets, disband all the unions and convince assembly line and factory workers that they are overpaid. If they do not want kids in Indonesia to take their jobs, they should be willing to work for less and give up their health care and all the other benefits that they for some reason feel entitled to.
We design the shit that china makes. Innovation is still our strong point.

Precision made goods we are still the best bang for buck. Consumer grade junk doesn't take the skill that we possess or the cost for that skill.

[Matej]

We design the shit that china makes. Innovation is still our strong point.

Precision made goods we are still the best bang for buck. Consumer grade junk doesn't take the skill that we possess or the cost for that skill.
Exactly.
That is what the first world is about. Do the design and science and thinking. Have someone else do the dirty non-profitable manual work.


http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/CYMERA_20130802_144420_zpsb0756898.jpg

Hands down the most comfortable shoe evar.
Also some of the most generic shoes ever, not to mention that style of boot was invented in Germany. And is it really necessary for the Made in America tag to be on the outside of the shoe? It is painfully obvious they are marketed at saps who will buy anything with an American flag on it, and apparently it is working.

Would you rather have all the factories spewing pollution into your precious American air, when they can be in China destroying people's health there instead, while we get to reap the profits?

Inconveniently going out of one's way just to find a product that is made in a specific place is laughable, especially with how little it matters in today's global market.
Such silly pickiness reminds me of vegans, or the freaks who go to a restaurant and ask the waiter how many calories are in the meal they are thinking about ordering.

I am quite surprised how some you gentlemen came to be patrons of a discussion forum about a Nissan vehicle.

[Corbic]

Exactly.
That is what the first world is about. Do the design and science and thinking. Have someone else do the dirty non-profitable manual work.


And every day those jobs are being both outsourced and imported. Banking, Tech Support, Engineering, lab-testing - all going to India. We also bring in a grotesque number of programers, doctors and scientists.

Won't belong till you can't even order your cheese burger from some pimple faced high school kid.

Outsourcing Drive Thru? - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-679730.html)


Also some of the most generic shoes ever, not to mention that style of boot was invented in Germany. And is it really necessary for the Made in America tag to be on the outside of the shoe? It is painfully obvious they are marketed at saps who will buy anything with an American flag on it, and apparently it is working.

No fucks Given. I didn't realize hiking required footwear that made a fashion statement. Maybe if you didn't have your head up your ass you'd realize people often buy products to serve a purpose. Go Google Danner and checkout the professional reviews. They truly are some of the best boots you can buy. No break in period, no sores, no blisters - I could march for days. The build quality is outstanding. No off-stiches, delaminating soles, supple leather, durable interior.

I'm sorry it offends you that someone may take pride in owning something their neighbor made. I wonder if I can dig up some posts by you shitting on "knock off parts"... hmmm


Would you rather have all the factories spewing pollution into your precious American air, when they can be in China destroying people's health there instead, while we get to reap the profits?

I'd rather the factories not be spewing shit anywhere. At least in the US we have regulations and standards. If you actually understood global logistics you would already know that LABOR COSTS are not what drives business overseas. It's the REGULATIONS and TAXES. The fact that a US worker needs $14 an hour while a Chinese one needs $1.50 is irrelevant once you factor in the cost of the supply chain, however it's the cost of building plants, maintaining safety standards, paying taxes etc. that makes manufacturing over seas more appealing.

Additionally I'm glad you laugh at the blight of foreign workers. Would you be cool if we brought back 18th century slavery? What about industrial age barbarity? That's more or less what transnational industrialization is. Rather then "paying" people nothing, forcing them to live in compounds and working them to death in our own backyard - we just do it our of sight out of mind in a country with strict media control who's rulers are happy to press their people into slavery in order to line their own pockets.


Inconveniently going out of one's way just to find a product that is made in a specific place is laughable, especially with how little it matters in today's global market.

Such silly pickiness reminds me of vegans, or the freaks who go to a restaurant and ask the waiter how many calories are in the meal they are thinking about ordering.

We can't all eat Big Macs and shop at Walmart. As you get older you'll realize spending the extra 5 minutes and $5 bucks to buy a superior, both in function, but also in form, product is worth it.

[Corbic]

We design the shit that china makes. Innovation is still our strong point.

Precision made goods we are still the best bang for buck. Consumer grade junk doesn't take the skill that we possess or the cost for that skill.

Exactly -

What would you rather have, a Godspeed manifold, or a Full Race Manifold?

[dawagarage]

matej i dont know why youre so against buying american. it almost seems to me as if youre trolling and trying to get a rise outta some people.

i agree there are some american made companies that are needlessly over priced, but i believe this thread topic is about quality american made goods that last much longer than their outsourced counterparts.

and bringing up the japanese car thread thing. well, japanese (and european, specifically german) parts are also great quality made products. but as such they already sell for a 'not cheap' price and as such will cost even more after shipping and everything to the states.

this thread is more about the opposition to products that are cheaply made with little or no regulations, craftsmanship, pride, quality assurance, etc, which is usually the case with mass produced products made overseas with only $$ in mind.

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made in america.....

[DJ-of-E]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/315656_215630305168243_1295044365_n.jpg

made in america.....

I think Bumblebee has found himself a girlfriend (transformers joke).

[towlie]

I bought a Kershaw knife. Built locally (Tigard, Or) and my dad works there. He actually machined the blade himself, that's about as American as you can get.

In my opinion USA made isn't a big deal for 99% of the non car related shit I buy. Bag of chinese socks. $12 vietnamese t shirt. Big whoop. The only time I'm concerned where a product is made is when I'm dropping big bucks. Example, my buddie bought a doc manifold for his sr, ended up being close to $900. Drove to the shop, watched it being built (made to order obviously) and bullshitted with the fabricater. That's what's it's all about in my mind.


Also I find this tread ironic seeing as how it's a Japanese car forum

[S14DB]

Also I find this tread ironic seeing as how it's a Japanese car forum
More Japanese cars are made in the US than American manufactures.

[tiggertsi]

The Google.

Made in the USA : V-Twin Forum: Harley Davidson Forums (http://www.v-twinforum.com/forums/v-twin-forum-general-harley-talk/202282-made-usa.html)

Much of the meat and potatoes are US Made. It's the tacky accessories and branded garbage that comes from over seas. You can avoid this problem by buying non-HD accessories. Just shop for hand made mom+pop custom parts made by people all across the US.

I'd rather give a guy working out of a rental garage a thousand bucks for some saddle bags then buy some garbage at a dealer with some cool logos.

i have googled this and frankly i don't believe this link you posted after reading it. too many other posts and sources contradict it. plus the post doesn't source anything. and i know alot of parts are not made in the usa on my harley.

[Corbic]

i have googled this and frankly i don't believe this link you posted after reading it. too many other posts and sources contradict it. plus the post doesn't source anything. and i know alot of parts are not made in the usa on my harley.


Links as well?

Regardless of the inevitable percentages, it's still one of the only (Victory??) Motorcycles made in the USA.

The Metric bikes are also not even made in their own home countries anymore. Triumphs come from Thailand, and Honda and Yamaha are having more and more built in China, Indonesia and Taiwan as well.

[tiggertsi]

Links as well?

Regardless of the inevitable percentages, it's still one of the only (Victory??) Motorcycles made in the USA.

The Metric bikes are also not even made in their own home countries anymore. Triumphs come from Thailand, and Honda and Yamaha are having more and more built in China, Indonesia and Taiwan as well.

assembled in america harley's may be, but completely made in america i think not. and i love my harley.

[blueshark123]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/315656_215630305168243_1295044365_n.jpg

made in america.....


They also went out of business and they look like shit..... Y the fuck even bother making this Made in the usa thread when we are on a japenese car forum. This is something i would see on mustang or camaro forums.

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[Corbic]

Y the fuck even bother making this Made in the usa thread when we are on a japenese car forum. This is something i would see on mustang or camaro forums.

Because you are an ignorant dumb fuck?

[tiggertsi]

They also went out of business and they look like shit..... Y the fuck even bother making this Made in the usa thread when we are on a japenese car forum. This is something i would see on mustang or camaro forums.

they didn't go "out of business" because they were bad bikes. they went out of business because harley davidson co. didn't want to deal in the v-twin sport bike market anymore. they wanted to focus entirely on the harley name and brand, particularly with accessories. so they shut down buell, their child company.
buells are actually damn good bikes and one of the best handling bikes on the road. and buell is making street bikes again in low numbers and higher prices with no connection to harley davidson co. anymore at all.

regardless they still share the same problem with harley, being that they were assembled in america. not all the parts were made in america. i can't say anything of the new bikes since the split with harley as i do not know.

and apparently this is thread is something you'd see on a 240/Z car forum as it is here and being discussed.

[blueshark123]

Because you are an ignorant dumb fuck?

I was simply stating a opinion and you want to act like a childish kid by name calling. Way to make your self feel proud on your high horse. Let's all give you a round of applause.


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[!Zar!]

Some German cars are made in the USA as well.

[S14DB]

They also went out of business and they look like shit..... Y the fuck even bother making this Made in the usa thread when we are on a japenese car forum. This is something i would see on mustang or camaro forums.
On October 15, 2009, Harley-Davidson announced the discontinuation of the Buell product line as part of its strategy to focus on the Harley-Davidson brand.
Harley-Davidson forced Buell to follow the rigid product planning and distribution process beginning in the 1990s, with the philosophy that Buell was the starter brand, and customers would eventually trade up to a Harley. By 2008, Harley's credit arm, Harley-Davidson Financial Services (HDFS), was struggling, and the lower resale value of Buell motorcycles meant that new bike sales were significantly affected. When Harley CEO Keith Wandell was hired, he immediately questioned why Harley even owned Buell. Wandell, who had never been on a Harley before being hired, was heard talking about "Erik's racing hobby", and questioned "why anyone would even want to ride a sportbike". He organized a team to analyze "the adrenaline market", and concluded that sportbikes would encounter high competition and low profits, while cruisers had high returns.

On October 15, 2009, Harley Davidson Inc. announced the end of production of Buell Motorcycles to focus more on the Harley Davidson brand. Selling Buell was not legitimately considered, as Harley didn't want their Harley dealerships to sell an outside brand, and Harley didn't feel Buell had much value without the dealer network. Closing the Buell brand was estimated to cost Harley approximately the same as their total investment in Buell over the past 25 years. Erik Buell immediately began looking for outside buyers, finding BRP (who owns the Austrian Rotax engine manufacturer BRP-Powertrain) a good choice, especially since Harley would have to pay Rotax "an eight-figure sum" for the 1,125 cc engine contract.
Buell Motorcycle Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buell_Motorcycle_Company)

It was political not financial. They paid more to shutter the company than they did over the last 25yrs.


It is ignorant to think that because one Item you own is Japanese, we can't have a discussion about American made products.
Using your logic. Look at how many Japanese cars are made in the US. Nissan makes the Altima, Maxima, Titan, Frontier, Armada and Xterra in Canton, Mississippi.

[feito]

f yeah!!! Buy American! Stick to snap on, very well worth the price!!!

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j341/andres14oj/IMAG0627_zpsf4c68dd0.jpg (http://s1081.photobucket.com/user/andres14oj/media/IMAG0627_zpsf4c68dd0.jpg.html)

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Wait, whaaaaaat???? pos broke when this chick i got on my car step on it, more like rested her feet on it while on the car... could as well been chicago pneumatic.

Also, on one of their american made wrenches the chrome started peeling off only a few days after purchase, what a bunch of bull. I got it replaced right away, but now after a few years i think a couple of them are peeling...
This one apparently is made in america, it is also one of my favorites, it's a beast!!!

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j341/andres14oj/IMAG0628_zps8d73000f.jpg (http://s1081.photobucket.com/user/andres14oj/media/IMAG0628_zps8d73000f.jpg.html)

And to be honest, lately i only care about it when it comes to precision tools. I have had very good luck with hf cheapos lately...
And like they said, really? On a jap car forum? Like when they drift they're jdm cars flying a us flag :picardfp:

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f yeah!!! Buy American! Stick to snap on, very well worth the price!!!

Wait, whaaaaaat???? pos broke when this chick i got on my car step on it, more like rested her feet on it while on the car... could as well been chicago pneumatic.



So wait, you bought a Chinese made tool.... it broke, now you hate Made in America?

Seems legit.

Do your research. Buy used even. You can score crazy good deals on vintage tools that work better then their new counterparts all day long on craigslist. The remnants of my grandfathers work tools (MAC, Snap-on and Craftsman) which all date back to post WWII are fantastic pieces. From the late 40's into the 70's he was a diesel mechanic in the New York train yards, not only are these tools lighter, thinner and stronger then their modern counterparts, they are also tighter fitting and better rachetting, and this is after +40 years of service.

There is also more to life then just tools.

And to be honest, lately i only care about it when it comes to precision tools. I have had very good luck with hf cheapos lately...
And like they said, really? On a jap car forum? Like when they drift they're jdm cars flying a us flag :picardfp:

Hey numb nuts - since it hasn't been explain yet (SARCASM) just because you own one foreign product doesn't mean you have to define your life by that or can't take pride in the craftsmanship or artistry of your fellow country man.

Somehow I bet you're the type that would bitch up a storm about using chinese knock off parts instead of "Doing it right" with "quality" JDM parts.

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I was simply stating a opinion and you want to act like a childish kid by name calling. Way to make your self feel proud on your high horse. Let's all give you a round of applause.

You asked a question, you didn't state an opinion, dumb fuck. So don't go and get all puckered up because you got called out on your bullshit. Sorry you came in here, didn't read a god damn word and then thought you could be some fucking internet champ by spouting off your stupidity.

Go back to the kiddie table.

[Corbic]

Buell Motorcycle Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buell_Motorcycle_Company)

It was political not financial. They paid more to shutter the company than they did over the last 25yrs.



Precisely. The super-bike industry is a money loser for everyone. This is why the Metrics so desperately want to get in on the whole "cruiser" bike trend and are always coping Harley's latest trend.

Personally, I would love to see a 1200cc factory Norley. Development would be minimal for HD as all the parts could be bin-swapped. Problem is, I doubt a single Metric rider would give a shit, and I doubt the style of bike would appeal to HD's core buying group.

http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Custom%20Bikes/Norley%20Cafe%20Racer.jpg

[240sxDavid]

at this point I don't think japan is benefiting much from us buying these OLD USED Japanese cars. Maybe through OEM and Japanese imported aftermarket parts but even that is a choice and it can't be that much.

[singlecamslam]

favorite vehicle
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Packard_120_Eight_Business_Coupe_1936.jpg

[feito]

So wait, you bought a Chinese made tool.... it broke, now you hate Made in America?

Seems legit.


no, now i hate on "engineered and assembled in america" (i believe that's what it says on the case) SNAP ON TOOLS lol

Do your research. Buy used even. You can score crazy good deals on vintage tools that work better then their new counterparts all day long on craigslist. The remnants of my grandfathers work tools (MAC, Snap-on and Craftsman) which all date back to post WWII are fantastic pieces. From the late 40's into the 70's he was a diesel mechanic in the New York train yards, not only are these tools lighter, thinner and stronger then their modern counterparts, they are also tighter fitting and better rachetting, and this is after +40 years of service.

There is also more to life then just tools.

lol, you're kidding, right? 'Cause unless most of those tools werent used much (and even if they werent, i doubt it) or they've been rebuilt, i doubt they stand a chance even against a modern 10-50 dollar chinese hf tool, like seriously man, i've had old, good quality tools, and even if they have lasted all those years, they just aint as strong as todays cheapest tools lol Now, the "thinner, tighter fitting" and maybe the "better ratchetting" i understand, but not stronger. Lol, compering the strongest tools from the 40's to todays cheapest tools, maybe if you're comparing a 40's 30lb impact to a todays 2.5lb impact lol

Hey numb nuts - since it hasn't been explain yet (SARCASM) just because you own one foreign product doesn't mean you have to define your life by that or can't take pride in the craftsmanship or artistry of your fellow country man.

well, based on the way u post and replay i'd say you sound like that type of person, the one who defines a person based on every single item they buy.


Somehow I bet you're the type that would bitch up a storm about using chinese knock off parts instead of "Doing it right" with "quality" JDM parts.

mhhhh, jdm parts? really? op is getting sidetracked....but yeah, i do buy some knock offs, like on things that dont require precision, like manifolds and intercoolers and exhaust. Dont get me wrong, if i'd have the funds i'd rock the most baller shlt, but man i cant afford that, and to be honest, that's just economics, that is the way it is and there's absolutely nothing you cant do about it, i spend the most on the parts that really matter, lets say, the parts that wont kill me if they fail, lol.
Just tell me man, what would u say if someone post a "made in the UK" thread on a British mustang forum? lmao