California Residents: you are now on the opposite side of the fence.

[mike13]

As you may or may not know several states have passed and are passing new emissions testing standards, including Pennsylvania. the test goes like this:

Plug in OBDII reader, ECU not ready or thrown codes - automatic failure.
there is no way to get an SR smogged here in PA.

In the past with the sniffer test you could have a buddy pass your car and give you stickers. Now you plug directly into the state computer and they pass or fail accordingly. As far as i know there is no way around this (My brother has a PA state inspection license, and my landlord owns a shop).

Obviously the car has to have passed emissions and safety inspection, or when you get pulled over you can expect a nice extra $104 dollars on your ticket (personal experience) and be required to get it done.

It's only a matter of time before most states adopt this same process. Unless someone figures out how to run an SR with full OBDII compliance, it's going to be one hell of a lot harder to get away with having that engine.

[WilloW]

I read about this a while back, I'm so glad I've got a 95.

[Kid Zelda]

........................ ok ..............................

[s13driver]

so what about cars that doesn't have obdii equiped ? base on my understanding of what you are saying.. those obdi cars will fail automatically too; disreguard they are turbo-charged or sr swap ? i mean this don't make sense at all

[WilloW]

so what about cars that doesn't have obdii equiped ? base on my understanding of what you are saying.. those obdi cars will fail automatically too; disreguard they are turbo-charged or sr swap ? i mean this don't make sense at all

That's when you hit up the dyno type test, I know atleast in parts of TX that's what they do for OBDI cars.

[mike13]

My apologies for the confusion. it only applies to OBDII cars. KA-T will pass fine if you arent throwing any codes.

I should have made a disclaimer for s13 owners, as far as i know, its possible to get an s13 smogged with any engine.

[DMC]

why not go to your buddies shop and hook up a car that runs fine to teh comp?

[DuffMan]

Use your KA ECU, harness, mafs, and injectors for the test. To pass, you might need to fool some sensors with resistors.

[mike13]

why not go to your buddies shop and hook up a car that runs fine to teh comp?
Because 96 SE 240sx is a rare car, and you cant depend on having one there at your disposal. Especially one that is guaranteed to pass. My engine is totally stock, and i failed the readiness test for 2 months before it finally passed.

[mike13]

Use your KA ECU, harness, mafs, and injectors for the test. To pass, you might need to fool some sensors with resistors.
I'm sure there is a way to do this. The ultimate solution is to figure out a way to implement all of the required OBDII sensors and permanently run them with the SR.

[drift freaq]

well see now here in california if your throwing codes, i.e. check engine light is on, with a OBDI or II its a automatic failure. The smog mechanics by law are instructed to fail you if its on period! As far as the floor dyno goes its required on both because it tests the emission under actual driving conditions load. Rather than the previously smog I test which just had the tailpipe sniffer and the mechanic revving the car in nuetral or park. So I don't get how we are on the other side of the fence. I think its more like your state is finally catching up with us in its smog laws. That is mostly likely due to the fact that the lax smog laws in your state is causing more pollution and they need to do something about it.
You guys may hate smog laws but they have done a lot to clean up the air here in socal. If you saw the air here 15-20 years ago compared to today you would be grateful for smog laws. Our air here is a actually a whole lot cleaner and actually bearable now. 20 years ago I could not have said that about socal. A SR with a high flow cat is actually a very clean burning engine. to bad it will never pass visual and the cops know what it looks like . Its a driver beware situation . It does not stop me from running a SR though I know I will do stuff to be stealthy so as not to arouse susipicion of the local PD or CHP.
Most of the time people who do caught are ones who are either blatantly violating i.e. gonna do it you's have to own it. Or have a big single pipe exhaust ala N1 style which totally attracts attention.

[andrave]

find a totaled S14 and get the title transfered to your name, and switch vin plates.

[thx247]

My S13 Stock Just Went Up!!!

Obdi. Holla!

[Var]

Mike13- California has had this program for years. It just started in northern cali last october.

The whole reasnoning behind it is so people fix their cars the right way and stop trying to fool the system.

The scenario is..your check engine light comes on in your 1996 OBDII equipped car. like in past years, you figure..what the hell i'll just reset the ECU so the light will turn off. You do the damn thing, roll to your smog shop and get it tested. Everything passes except the ODBII readiness monitors which havent completed yet because you cleared the memory. You now have to drive your car around until the car can complete most of the self-tests. By this time, your check engine light has come back on and you're stuck in this cycle. You have no choice but to get your car fixed..


Of course like everything thing else in the world there is a way around it.
There are 3 codes that the computer gives for readiness monitors.
1-Complete
2-Not Complete
3-Not Available

You are only allowed to have 2 monitors that are Not Complete out of the 12 or 16 that exist.. But there is no rule that says they all can't read Not Available.. Basically i've smogged a Saleen that was rigged like this. Whoever programs Saleen's ECU's pretty much gets rid of all the monitors so they 1-can't set off the check engine light and 2-can't read Not Complete so when you do get a check engine light, you can reset the ECU and smog it right away and it could pass. I guess JWT thoeretically could come up with a way to fool the OBDII part of the Smog Check for our Nissans cause they know the in's and out's of the system. If it were possible to use the KA ECU for your sr20 engine(i dont know if it is ) then JWT should be able to rig it to pass smog. Who's gonna be the guinea pig?

[CoasTek240]

look, to get an inspection sticker, do as dmc said, its the easiest way to go. people pay upwards towards $50 one time a year to buy and inspection sticker, so pay someone $50 to use their vehicle to pass it for you, being as ur bro will do it. ur set.



problem solved.... chalk it up as another expense for an expensive hobby

[old_s13]

dude... obd2...

for any of you hardcore bbs'ers that remember the shit, you SHOULD be calling it...

obd/2

aaaaawwww yeah!

[mike13]

Mike13- California has had this program for years. It just started in northern cali last october.

The reason i stated that californians are on the other side of the fence, is because, and correct me if i'm wrong... you only get your car checked every 3 years, and there are ways to bypass the required testing and get your car smogged illegally. Whereas here you have to have your state safety and emissions inspection each year, and the police have access to records of your car passing or not. So there is no guessing on their behalf. If you car isnt in their database and not inspected, then apparantely something is very out of place with the car (illegal swapped engine)
This thread is not intended for argument between california and non-california residents. It's main purpose is an address to the state of laws affecting our hobby.

[curbsurfer]

we get smogged every 2 years and most have to smog every year at a "test only" station which is very strict. they will only tell you only that it doesnt pass, not why. also, if you transfer ownership, you must get a smog.

also, it is next to impossible to illegally smog an obd-2 car out here. the ecu and bar code(vin) must match or you fail smog automatically.

cops dont have access to our smog records but they dont have to. if you dont pass smog, you dont get registration.

i dont care what you say about your testing, ours is harder.

oh, and driftfreaq, if you think that stricter smog laws have cleaned up our air then you have been brainwashed. cars that dont pass smog and gross polluters only account for 2% of our pollution

[Var]

i dont care what you say about your testing, ours is harder.



It's the same now. On the dyno. just liek cali





oh, and driftfreaq, if you think that stricter smog laws have cleaned up our air then you have been brainwashed. cars that dont pass smog and gross polluters only account for 2% of our pollution

this may be the case now because the smog program has done the majority of it's job already. Now it's just nitpicking. The smog laws is what helped car companies make cleaner running cars which cleaned up the air.

[mecgeorgeneo]

I got smog on saturday. :(
I hope my check engine light won't be a problem when I put the O2 sensors back in there.

[psychedelicbeats]

also, it is next to impossible to illegally smog an obd-2 car out here. the ecu and bar code(vin) must match or you fail smog automatically.

i find this invalid, for many people have done auto-to-manual swaps with a different ecu then what came with the car and smogged fine.

to smog, find someone with the same spec (obd-i or obd-ii) car, switch plates, give YOUR car information to smog man, smog the OTHER car, finish. if any suspicion starts to pop up, just tell the smog guy that you have a project car of the same specification in the garage for major repair that you want to register right now. sounds skeptical, but who gives a shit just slip him money and you're set.

[JDM K's]

We had it for almost 2 yrs now in Atlanta, GA and it is just a matter of knowing someone.

[mike13]

We had it for almost 2 yrs now in Atlanta, GA and it is just a matter of knowing someone.
Please dont post if you dont know what you are talking about. If you would have read the thread, you would know that both my BROTHER and landlord are licensed by the state for emissions testing. The technician does NOT decide whether you pass or not. They have no control over your test result. You plug into the state computer and IT passes or fails you.

[Var]

to smog, find someone with the same spec (obd-i or obd-ii) car, switch plates, give YOUR car information to smog man, smog the OTHER car, finish. if any suspicion starts to pop up, just tell the smog guy that you have a project car of the same specification in the garage for major repair that you want to register right now. sounds skeptical, but who gives a shit just slip him money and you're set.


that's called clean piping. It FRAUD punishable by 6 months in jail and/or 10,000 dollar fine. But some people will risk it for a couple hundred bucks.

[mike13]

i find this invalid, for many people have done auto-to-manual swaps with a different ecu then what came with the car and smogged fine.

What he is saying is that when the technician types in the VIN number for the car, the computer knows exactly what signals it should be recieving from the ECU. Auto and Manual have identical emissions equipment, and AFAIK, there are no specific digits in the vin number that specify which transmission the vehicle is equipped with. So even though there are differences in the ECU, the emissions test procedure is the same.
I could be wrong though because i know for a fact that the process for clearing the readiness monitors is different for AT vs MT.

[Wei240]

if you have the money and know people, it doesn't matter what state you're in and what car you have, you'll pass smog..

[nightwalker]

that's why I stay NA KA

[old_s13]

if you have the money and know people, it doesn't matter what state you're in and what car you have, you'll pass smog..

correcto! hence the reason i havent posted in this thread, absolute no reason to contribute to the aimless chatter.

and yes, smog in los angeles has gone down -- why? stricted smog standards (on cars needing to pass and on mfg's) and more enforcement.

- mike

[mike13]

that's why I stay NA KA
Theres a Zilvia member from Arizona (same standards) with a powerful KA-T who passes emissions fine from what I've read

[mike13]

if you have the money and know people, it doesn't matter what state you're in and what car you have, you'll pass smog..
You can just keep on thinking that, and the rest of us here in reality will actually think of a constructive way to pass with legality.

[mike13]

thanks to Westboroughpimp for providing some good information... the ECU readiness guidelines were outlined in a 2 page document to the shop owner and everything you posted is accurate.

[Wei240]

You can just keep on thinking that, and the rest of us here in reality will actually think of a constructive way to pass with legality.
??? but it is reality, i don't think it, i know it.
c.r.e.a.m

[old_s13]

dolla dolla bill yawl.

seriously man, the people who need to worry are the ones with GROSS POLLUTING vehicles.. NOT the ones with illegal motor swaps.

Just because someone has an SR doesnt mean their car is not running clean. I threw mine up on the dyno at a test only spot here in los angeles and the car passed, why? Because it runs clean. Sure, with no EGR the car had to be warm.. but who gives a fuck.. I dont sit in traffic and these are just minor details that the MAJORITY of law abiding citizens need to worry about. Me? I just maintain the car and make sure it runs well, o2 sensor, plugs, and cat.. thats all you need to worry about (more or less).

You just need to have a sense of reality as to what is streetable and what isnt. The more you have thats VISIBLE for cops to notice and point out, the worse for you when he asks you to pop your hood and sees something as simple as an intake -- referee station time. KA or SR, doesnt matter.

-m

[JDM K's]

Please dont post if you dont know what you are talking about. If you would have read the thread, you would know that both my BROTHER and landlord are licensed by the state for emissions testing. The technician does NOT decide whether you pass or not. They have no control over your test result. You plug into the state computer and IT passes or fails you.

What makes you think I don't know what I am talking about? I am telling you I have done it for my 240sx and I have both SR and AT swap. Just because you heard/think different that doesn't means that is the only way or it can't be done. All I have to do is give the person my vin # and money the next day the person gives me the paper that I passed for my 240sx. However, since my truck is stock and has ODBII system they just simply plug it into their computer and check it.