1997 240sx SE 43,000 Miles

[Kingtal0n]

Original paint, original parts, original miles, never taken apart
SE model

$11,900 firm

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Please see my other 240sx for sale, I need to sell ONE of these fine vehicles:
http://zilvia.net/f/cars-sale/517666-1995-nissan-240sx-all-original-no-accidents-no-rust-florida-car-gg-2.html

No rush to sell.
321 --662 ,, 5270

Also please see my father's 240sx for sale:
http://zilvia.net/f/cars-sale/528299-1997-240sx-se-gt2871r-740cc-pfc-forged-internals-fine-tuned.html

[Snoopyalien24]

Its a little high, but she is very clean

GLWS

[Mofuhcka]

Holy fuck, showroom clean

[Felipe]

I would just garage this and take it out on sundays only

[shiftdrift]

7k. Mslngth

[oscarsx]

Daaaaaaaaaaaamn

- oz

[MY95SILVIA]

Would be worth more money if it was a LE and 98?

[VR4ownzU]

The previous owner was asking $6500 soooo your asking price is a joke.

[pinkpandaslide]

you can buy alot of nice and better cars for 11k. clean car nonetheless but if you sell it for your asking price. kudos for you.

[Kingtal0n]

1997 Nissan 240sx All Original no accidents
with:
200,000 miles $5000
180,000 miles $5500
160,000 miles $6000
140,000 miles $6500
120,000 miles $7500
100,000 miles $8500
80,000 miles $9500
60,000 miles $10500
40,000 miles $12000
20,000 miles $13500
0 miles $16000

You maybe can replace a 40,000 mile kouki with two at 160,000 miles. But is a brand new 0 mile kouki worth three at 190,000 miles? I would rather have the one with 0 miles.
So my prices seem a bit low when you consider rarity.

[KendallH]

When I saw the price I thought "wow, thats pretty reasonable"

Then I realized it was an ad for a 240 not a 350Z or an S2000.

[dudermagee]

Mileage is a little on the high side for me, but glws op.

[tobroketobuildarealcar]

Just going to leave this hete as a reference to how rediculess your asking price is


http://zilvia.net/f/cars-sale/529462-turbo-lsx-kouki-60k-orig-miles-needs-finishing-10k.html

[240s3x]

Just going to leave this hete as a reference to how rediculess your asking price is


http://zilvia.net/f/cars-sale/529462-turbo-lsx-kouki-60k-orig-miles-needs-finishing-10k.html

I remember seeing this, i was also trying to find it to post but you beat me to it.
New thread but i see this guy is still smoking crack!

[silviaks2nr]

Perfect starter car for a drift project!!!!

Kidding of course :squint:

GLWS. Definitely get those oem floormats and rub down the leather if you haven't yet though!

[orangeNblue]

1997 Nissan 240sx All Original no accidents
with:
200,000 miles $5000
180,000 miles $5500
160,000 miles $6000
140,000 miles $6500
120,000 miles $7500
100,000 miles $8500
80,000 miles $9500
60,000 miles $10500
40,000 miles $12000
20,000 miles $13500
0 miles $16000

You maybe can replace a 40,000 mile kouki with two at 160,000 miles. But is a brand new 0 mile kouki worth three at 190,000 miles? I would rather have the one with 0 miles.
So my prices seem a bit low when you consider rarity.

While I agree with your thought process, because this is a rare situation for this car, by no means does this mean you should expect to see someone pay that much for it. Your values above make sense in theory, but in reality there's a cutoff. This car isn't a classic (in the sense that it's value grows exponentially) so really once you hit the $8500-9500 dollar value, you will pretty much lose all potential buyers. Would someone want three 190k mi koukis over one with 0 miles? the answer is yes, yes, yes. It's awesome that a car like this exists and in my opinion you should keep it because you'll treat the car with the respect and care it deserves. But your asking price is too high for 100% of buyers on this site and you are going to get that said to you over and over again.

All of that said, I have seen the zenki you have for sale and think you have that one moderately priced because you've replaced/repaired a majority of the parts on it. I just think you expect too much from people on this forum, because most of these kids aren't willing to pay $7k for a kouki that's in perfect condition, much less this one. Keep it, treasure it, and show it off every chance you get!

[tobroketobuildarealcar]

Just a little reminder you can't trust the nileage on any non digital guage cluster expecially 240s they can be changed out and or turned back with no evidence of tampering with it

My 91 only shows 35k on the cluster that dosent mean that is what it has

[babowc]

240sx are not collector's cars, people.
BTW, you have a scuff on the passenger side bumper, and the bumper/headlights don't seem to line up very well.

GLWS, 11k!

[Kingtal0n]

Collectibles are often collectible before anybody realizes it. Thats what makes them suddenly valuable. When you realize you have the last unopened can of coke or the last stuffed teddy bear on the planet the value does what?

One day when all the 240s are swapped or wrecked, as you cant just go to a dealer and buy a fresh one that day will come; cars like this will be ________________.

choose one:
(rare, behind glass, collectible, expensive, sought, hidden from view)


Many Kouki front ends look like that when they are untouched. Check out the kouki thread on this forum; Here are some I found in just a few pages

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Notice they all have the same gap as mine. Its a factory thing. It means the car has not been modified. the bumper has not been removed.
I would be suspicious if I did not see that gap when buying an "untouched" kouki.

[Kingtal0n]

While I agree with your thought process, because this is a rare situation for this car, by no means does this mean you should expect to see someone pay that much for it. Your values above make sense in theory, but in reality there's a cutoff. This car isn't a classic (in the sense that it's value grows exponentially) so really once you hit the $8500-9500 dollar value, you will pretty much lose all potential buyers. Would someone want three 190k mi koukis over one with 0 miles? the answer is yes, yes, yes. It's awesome that a car like this exists and in my opinion you should keep it because you'll treat the car with the respect and care it deserves. But your asking price is too high for 100% of buyers on this site and you are going to get that said to you over and over again.


One day it will be a classic. But thats not why I set the price high; The truth is, I was offered $10,000 for it by a member on this forum who is also local. Well, a month went by and he offered me again, $10,000. I again turned it down.

If I turn around now and sell for $10,000 to somebody else, that would be a huge slap in the face to my friend on this forum to whom I mean no disrespect.
If I sell it to anybody, the price needs to be a bit higher than what I was offered and turned away.

[1slowsilvia]

One day it will be a classic. But thats not why I set the price high; The truth is, I was offered $10,000 for it by a member on this forum who is also local. Well, a month went by and he offered me again, $10,000. I again turned it down.

If I turn around now and sell for $10,000 to somebody else, that would be a huge slap in the face to my friend on this forum to whom I mean no disrespect.
If I sell it to anybody, the price needs to be a bit higher than what I was offered and turned away.

if you turned down 10k for a stock car then I'm sorry but you're an idiot.

[StryfeS13]

Or he is well off and doesnt need the money.

[Kingtal0n]

For this stock car from a dealership what did it cost? And what was it worth three years later? More than $10,000 I presume. Why should it be worth any less today?
Storage in a garage for 16 years also costs money that adds to the price tag. You mean to tell me that garaging the car reduced its value? Don't think so.

It would be different if the car sat in Florida weather for 16 years. But this one didn't. $12000 is a steal, its worth more than what the original owner paid from the dealer once you factor in the cost of storage.

[notatl]

worth more???? really?.........

[Kingtal0n]

worth more???? really?.........

If you buy a brand new car and stick it in a garage for 15 years only starting it and driving it a little to circulate the oil and keep the seals/bearings fresh how would that negatively impact the value? You have to pay someone to start the car. You have to pay for a place to keep it safe and dry. And you wouldnt want to just let it sit for 15 years without starting it... driving it a little is the best possible way to keep it alive.


Its like I went back in time to 1997 and paid somebody in advance to barely drive the car and keep it dry in a garage for me 15 years in the future.
Because just buying it and sticking it into a storage bin would not be enough.

[jrm87]

So you want 12k for an auto 240sx? Good luck with that.

[KravingAKouki]

By no means am I bashing the op, but the last two pics you posted have the jdm front and I know both of those are usdm s chassis' so the fronts have been tampered with. I think your price is decently fair to the rarity of these cars kept in this condition, but it is just slightly high. Goodluck with your inquires though, I wish you the best of luck.

[Street Surgeon]

Clean car, GLWS, and thanks for the lolz!

[ReLiC]

Collectibles are often collectible before anybody realizes it. Thats what makes them suddenly valuable. When you realize you have the last unopened can of coke or the last stuffed teddy bear on the planet the value does what?


I agree with the first part, but until they become collectibles, you can't charge "collectible price."

I'm not going to go out and pay $100 for a can of coke hoping that it could be the last can of coke on the planet...

[oscarsx]

Thread way off track, glws

- oz

[ahryell26]

Damn.. I'm short $6K��..Glws

[Kingtal0n]

I agree with the first part, but until they become collectibles, you can't charge "collectible price."

I'm not going to go out and pay $100 for a can of coke hoping that it could be the last can of coke on the planet...

Ah, but this is the decade that everybody realizes internal combustion engines are going out of style and gas prices dramatically change the way we get around. We are entering a time where certain vehicles become scrap and others become monuments regardless of age due to the availability of more efficient transportation.

All of the cans of coke will become scrap because they still make coke, and even if they stop, there are so many cans in circulation it wont make a difference. A 240sx is a rare thing already, very few produced. And drifting, engine swaps, modifications, are ruining much of what was produced. The supply of unmodified 240s is dwindling, regardless of mileage. I see them as being quite collectible, given the number produced compared to the number left unmodified.
If I wanted to do an engine swap in five years from now, I would NOT want to wait to buy the 240 when it comes time to do the swap because in five years you wont see hardly a single unmodified kouki, unlike today where you can actually find one or two. NOW is the time to grab them up; and grab a low mileage kouki so you can actually drive it for five or ten years in the mean time.

Certain things that are no longer produced, will become monuments.

[sean1186]

Lets see some interior shots of this please!

[A11Pr0]

Good luck with your sale. Why not just turn around and sell it to your friend for the $10k and be done with it?

[billyblaze]

Just saw a sweet one here in Ted unmolested for 5 can't believe is still for sale can't believe this one is also figure this would find a buyer regardless of price imho
The higher the price the longer the sale
Imho

Its only worth what someone is willing to pay
I have over 20k in my salvage title 96 which is a monster
And if posted it for sale I woulld be looking to get 7k for it
And my 98 got over 30k in it no paint no body kit and that
To I might only get 7k

So if he wants x amount and can't get it that's on him if he
Does get it its on him also so if wanted sold asap he could
Always lower the price so let him ask what he wants for it


Glws

[ka-t]

DAMN - I cant wait to sell my 98 se non sunroof 5speed with 68k on it $18000 :)

[Kingtal0n]

DAMN - I cant wait to sell my 98 se non sunroof 5speed with 68k on it $18000 :)

1997 Nissan 240sx All Original no accidents (UPDATED)
with:
200,000 miles $5000-6000
180,000 miles $5500-6500
160,000 miles $6000-7000
140,000 miles $6500-7500
120,000 miles $7500-8500
100,000 miles $8500-10000
80,000 miles $9500-11000
60,000 miles $10500-12000
40,000 miles $12000-13500
20,000 miles $13500-16500
0 miles $16000-20000


according to my fabricated imaginary guideline, yours is worth around $10,000. :coolugh:
keep in mind this only applies to cars that have:
no accidents, all factory seam glue, straight clean frame rails, no rust, all original parts (99%), 1-3 owners~, carfax with documented mileage proof, etc..

[Kingtal0n]

Im making an unofficial 97 240sx guideline. I think I will make it into a piece of software. I sort of lost interest in it a few months ago but I was thinking of reviving it and building the software while I was at work over the next few weeks.

Just add things to the list that I can include. I wrote this off the top of my head so many things are missing.

Unofficial 240sx diagnosis for purchase flowchart
For all Original Parts
240sx Chassis, 1997-1998 USA

Start preview:
4-lug / Base (will be lighter and faster in the long run) personal preference
5-lug / SE (heavier, spoiler, options) personal preference

How to approach the 5-lug conversion on a 4-lug 240sx:
Many people are selling “5-lug conversions” that cost around $200-$500, but NOT all conversions are equal. You do not want the spindle/bearing from 240sx here in the USA for your conversion due to mileage concerns and brake size. The ideal 5-lug for the front comes from a Japanese S14/S15 Silvia because it will often have low miles and large brakes and the cost is similar to the high mileage tiny brake conversions you find here in the USA.
As to the rear, when the time comes to upgrade the engine, use an S15 sr20det and get the complete subframe from the Japanese S15 silvia to get the 5-lug, low mileage wheel bearings/axles/control arms, and low ratio differential for the six speed transmission. You also get fresh subframe bushings usually.
The idea is to use low mileage OEM components to push the 240sx chassis to 350,000+ miles reliably.
Keep in mind:
Even if the car is already 5-lug, you will usually still desire to change the spindles/brakes/subframe anyways due to mileage related wear and tear. Therefore, being 4 or 5 lug makes little difference when buying a 240sx.

Transmission:
Prefer to buy automatic transmission 240sx. When the time comes to do the swap (the whole point of owning a 240sx is to build a fun, reliable, fast car eventually right?) simply add a clutch pedal and line and stick in the new engine. The reason we prefer to buy automatic is because it loads the chassis in a predictable fashion, and nearly guarantees that nobody had too much "fun" with the chassis before you owned it. In other words it rules out negligence and bent/twisted frame possibilities you may encounter several months down the road when trying to figure out why your car pulls left or right even though the alignment is correct.

/end preview

Body:
-Garage kept status (Good dashboard, unfaded interior, should also have original paint and no unacceptable rust)
Original paint
-Car sat in the sun, paint is original but faded (still a very good thing, because wherever you see original paint, you can bet there has been no body work and thus no accidents.)
-Car sat in the sun, but was repainted (paint job should be a few years old and holding up well. Beware of anything freshly painted)
-Paint job is a few years old but does not seem to be holding up well. Also, paint job was done around the same time the car switched owners. (bad sign. Car might have been wrecked, fixed, painted, sold.

Original engine
-Are you sure ?
All vin tags in place
Missing vintags in order of importance: (Hood, front support, trunk , fenders, doors, bumpers)

Leaking anything besides oil (Transmission, differential; power steering does not count they all should leaking PS or you will be suspicious)

Frame Rails
-Frame rails are good (you can live with it )
-Frame rails are excellent (better than you would hope for or expect DESIRED)
-Frame rails are mint (nearly perfect, no malicious jacking no dents RARE)
Doesn’t leak water into the sides of the trunk (good sign it was never hit in the rear, lights not removed)
-Basically Accident free
-Accident free

Engine and underhood:
All original clips and wiring no modifications
missing some clips that hold down the air intake tube AND more than 100,000 miles
Oil looks clean after an oil change.
-Under valvecover fairly clean (oil is not super bright and clear but there is no oil sludge buildup visible)
-Under valvecover extra clean (no sludge, camshafts clean, no black oil sitting on top of the cam caps)
-No oil leaks (a little from the valvecover is ok)
-No obvious obnoxious silicone protruding from anything (no repairs, original parts)
Original bumper hardware, nothing missing
*Original headlight hardware, original headlight “cut-off” and proper alignment of lights




Engine has:
Under 150,000 miles (2-3 more years of service)
Under 120,000 miles (4-5 more years of service)
Under 75,000 miles (6-7 more years)
Under 50,000 miles (7+ years of service left)

An OEM KA24DE engine should go at least 150,000 miles or more (sometimes 180,000+) without needing any major repair. You should expect to replace it around 180,000-220,000 miles, but some can go even farther.
Minor repairs include: valvecover gasket, water pump/thermo, radiator & hoses, vacuum lines, clutch fan, a/c gas refill)

Chassis has:
200,000-220,000 miles (look for replaced suspension components, check the inner tie rods and shocks)
150,000-200,000 miles (shocks, also check the differential if there is oil in it, and what does it look like)
100,000-150,000 miles: (TC-rods are bad between 60k-120k)
Under 100,000 miles: mostly original suspension parts. Tie rod ends could be halfway shot by 40K.
Under 50,000 miles: very unlikely. Rare.
For all chassis, you would like the inner tie rods to be original and unbent.


Interior
Original carpet is nearly mint (drivers side is almost like new, RARE)
Original carpet in excellent condition (drivers side especially is in good condition with no holes)
Original carpet in good condition (drivers side has a tear from use but overall carpet is nice
Original floormats clean (somewhat rare)
Original uncracked dash (valuable and rare)
Uncracked but somebody changed the dash (original one may have sat in the sun, or the airbag went off)

also look for
All visible electronic components (such as relays and wiring under the dash clearly visible) is OEM/clean
Dash is cracked from the sun or any other reason
Cluster is original and works (carfax verified)
Door locks work
Windows work
Windows seal up nearly completey (drive at 80mph and check for rustling) rare


What generally doesn’t matter:
Interior: Switches, buttons, plastic panels, center console, radio, plastic trim, door panels, speakers, seats, carpet (most of these things are available and affordable)

Exterior: everything matters
Original “Mud Flaps” (flimsy plastic panels around the tires) are intact and all plastic clips are in place (describe) rare


Drivetrain inspection points assuming original parts, check for maintenance of:
steering rack condition (describe)



power steering lines (describe)



sway bar, control arms, all end link rubbers, check for accident / curb contact (describe)



dirt and filth under the hood? Condition of chassis underhood paint including hood and insulation? (describe)



signs of pressure washing or strong solvent use under the hood to remove filth? (describe)



State of “everything else”:
Items such as driveshaft, engine mounts, most brackets, should hold up until you would normally replace them anyways such as during an engine swap. Most OEM 240sx components last as long as the engine. The catalytic converter may be ruined inside due to age and often needs to be replaced.

Rust anywhere? Describe


What often rusts that is not a big deal: exhaust parts and brackets close to the heat of the exhaust. Original Brake master cylinder often rusts. Subframe may develop a very slight surface rust that should appear minimal and slight, especially around the output shafts of the differential. Many bolts and nuts under the hood will develop a slight rust as well. Sunroofs in many 240sx have rust also.


You should restore a protective coat to anything that appears to be actively rusting away. WD-40 is a temporary fix but a permanent solution should be found. If it is a bolt, replace the bolt. If it is a washer or bracket, replace that. The subframe and differential can be changed easily as well.

Trunk area:
Check the corners of the trunk for water. Check under the spare tire for water.
Water In the trunk is often due to leaking rear lights, which often indicates that they have been removed at some point. Sometimes for paint, but other times for accident repair.

Look at the insides of the body panels (quarter panels) for accidents and body work. A quarter panel is very difficult to replace and as such many accidents require body work in that area as opposed to replacement of whole quarter panels.

Check the rear light wiring and make sure all of the clips and loom is intact. The 240sx rear light wiring should not ever be removed and it should survive just fine for 20+ years. Any signs that someone has tampered with the wiring indicate that there was a reason to remove or re-wire the rear lights which may have to do with an accident. Painting the vehicle should not require removal of that wiring.

Remember, we can change the seats, dash(debatable), carpet, door panels, plastic trim, transmission, engine, engine wiring harness, differential, rear subframe, outer tie rods, steering rack bushings, Tension control rods, hubs, windshield, hood, trunk, spoiler, exhaust, most plastic clips, (add more) EASILY.

What we cannot change easily or cheaply (would not want to have to change):
Inner tie rods (preferable), Lower Control arms, headlights, body panels, core support, steering rack (debatable), frame rails, any under car damage and dents, firewall, under dash components, mounting supports/locations for headlights, original bumpers and bumper hardware (debatable), steering shaft, A/C related hardware (besides lines off the compressor), rust or accident damage, factory seam glue

If any of that is damaged or ruined chances are the car is permanently ruined (value drops significantly). Once its been wrecked or hit, yes bodywork can be done, but rarely will anything line up the way it used to, and even if it does, there is no way to truly hide body work from a professional eye unless its all done exactly like the factory does it- Which is possible, but very expensive and rare, which is not likely for a 240sx as the cost of a repair like that would often be more than the car is worth.

[Konster]

Recently bought a 2013 Altima for 13K with 3K miles on it. Had a little body damage, all in all it cost me 15K.

What I'm trying to get at is that one must really love 240's to pay that much for one, no matter how clean it is.

[KiLLeR2001]

I don't see S14's being collectible material. S13's on the other hand... Instant classics.

[_Rajen_]

I don't know what to say. I almost bought this car back in March/April--I pulled CarFax and had the cash in hand ready to give Rodney, the previous owner, his asking price...and he backed out because his 16 year old daughter still needed the car (it was her car). I waited on him for two weeks and he couldn't afford to sell it yet because he couldn't afford another car. I was hoping that whoever ended up with the car would take care of it like their most prized possession and now you're ready to flip it and or pull the drivetrain (http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/533979-ka24de-complete-engine-40-000-miles-all-original-sale.html). It's now your car and you can do what you want with it...but it's just sad to me on a personal level.

Anyway, about the car...it's clean with no issues--at the time I looked at the car I brought/paid my mechanic to inspect it. I would rate the body/exterior cosmetics an 8/10 due to little dings/scratches around, etc. Some bushings would need replacing due to age/sitting, but nothing out of ordinary. The interior has the nice dealer-option black leather (not LE). There is a scratch/fade in the leather on the driver door panel that was colored in with black sharpie.

The first owner was an elderly woman that owned the vehicle the majority of its life and after she passed Rodney purchased the car for his daughter to drive to school. A year after owning the vehicle the elderly woman was in an accident, but insurance took care of it.

That's all I know. Hopefully someone buys this thing before the original drivetrain gets pulled--one less umolested S14a.

_Rajen_

[s14boy]

I don't know what to say. I almost bought this car back in March/April--I pulled CarFax and had the cash in hand ready to give Rodney, the previous owner, his asking price...and he backed out because his 16 year old daughter still needed the car (it was her car). I waited on him for two weeks and he couldn't afford to sell it yet because he couldn't afford another car. I was hoping that whoever ended up with the car would take care of it like their most prized possession and now you're ready to flip it and or pull the drivetrain (http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/533979-ka24de-complete-engine-40-000-miles-all-original-sale.html). It's now your car and you can do what you want with it...but it's just sad to me on a personal level.

Anyway, about the car...it's clean with no issues--at the time I looked at the car I brought/paid my mechanic to inspect it. I would rate the body/exterior cosmetics an 8/10 due to little dings/scratches around, etc. Some bushings would need replacing due to age/sitting, but nothing out of ordinary. The interior has the nice dealer-option black leather (not LE). There is a scratch/fade in the leather on the driver door panel that was colored in with black sharpie.

The first owner was an elderly woman that owned the vehicle the majority of its life and after she passed Rodney purchased the car for his daughter to drive to school. A year after owning the vehicle the elderly woman was in an accident, but insurance took care of it.

That's all I know. Hopefully someone buys this thing before the original drivetrain gets pulled--one less umolested S14a.

_Rajen_

id like to hear what the op purchased the car for and apparently there was an accident on the car so your mythical price calculation for a 97 240sx doesn't hold true for your car. my honest opinion sell the car to your "friend" if one of my friends wanted one of my cars for 2 grand less then my original starting price I was trying to sell it for I would give it to them in a heart beat. be a pal and give your friend the homie hook up man.

-Mike

[Kingtal0n]

id like to hear what the op purchased the car for and apparently there was an accident on the car so your mythical price calculation for a 97 240sx doesn't hold true for your car. my honest opinion sell the car to your "friend" if one of my friends wanted one of my cars for 2 grand less then my original starting price I was trying to sell it for I would give it to them in a heart beat. be a pal and give your friend the homie hook up man.

-Mike

you can see the car was nicked in the front bumper on the passenger side quite clearly in my pictures, and it was already pointed out by someone if you didn't see earlier.

I bought it because it was the cleanest 97 240sx I have ever seen hands down no questions asked. Once in a lifetime do you find a car like this. Yes I bought it to keep. I truly honestly cried a few times during the process.

if I can ditch the oem drivetrain then all the better I will slap an S15 six speed swap in this baby so fast and daily it for the next 10 or 20 years.

But I am a poor college student so I have to keep everything for sale all the time to survive. I'd love to keep it and probably will but everything mechanical has a price.

[enderr]

im pretty sure those prices you quoted are for a manual transmission not an auto tragic.

[Kingtal0n]

im pretty sure those prices you quoted are for a manual transmission not an auto tragic.

Im pretty sure the transmission has absolutely nothing to do with the value of a chassis. I am not selling the car with any drivetrain in it. yeah it comes with the KA etc... but thats because a KA is worth almost nothing regardless, it just comes along free. the value is in the chassis, not the transmission.

Anybody that cannot change an automatic to a manual in a 240sx does not deserve to own the car anyways.

[Paint209]

Im surprised no one has said the "FLORIDA" joke yet. either that or i missed it. GLWS!

[blueshark123]

Im pretty sure the transmission has absolutely nothing to do with the value of a chassis. I am not selling the car with any drivetrain in it. yeah it comes with the KA etc... but thats because a KA is worth almost nothing regardless, it just comes along free. the value is in the chassis, not the transmission.

Anybody that cannot change an automatic to a manual in a 240sx does not deserve to own the car anyways.

That statement of the transmission not mattering is total:bs:. Someone who would want this car will most likely want it 5 speed. I dont think anyone who wants a 240sx wants it automatic. The person who buys this car would most likely be someone that wants something all original , Especially for the price. Not something modded/changed it defeats the purpose.

P.S I dont see someone being so dumb to buy this 16yr old car when you can buy a 350z now for way less then that.

[DJ_Sunrise]

LMFAO at you, Talon, and your tragic perception of life. GLWS. I hope the dipshit that buys the car for your asking price is going to provide me with as many LOLZ as you do.

Bart

[19kouki98]

OP is high for actually believing $12k is a "steal." I got my ALL ORIGINAL '98 silver moss for $7k 2 years ago, and I even thought that was a little steep as it was an auto originally. Granted it had a little more miles, but it is a more desired year and color than this car posted. Also, you are an idiot for turning down $10k for a stock automatic 240. $8k MAX, and that's solely based on the low mileage. /rant

[Kingtal0n]

new price:

$16,000

Inflation, tax, trolls, etc...

my perception of life:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/draglarry/printme1_zps37400fe6.gif

[Kingtal0n]

That statement of the transmission not mattering is total:bs:. Someone who would want this car will most likely want it 5 speed. I dont think anyone who wants a 240sx wants it automatic. The person who buys this car would most likely be someone that wants something all original , Especially for the price. Not something modded/changed it defeats the purpose.



you are confused a little. Ill help you though.

This car is not a classic. As such, the original engine/transmission/differential is nearly worthless and doesn't matter at all. Numbers matching or not makes no difference.

The reason the original-ness of this car is important is because somebody wants to do a clean swap, and the best way to do that is starting with: all original parts.

Look at my previously sold Zenki- same situation, all original parts, automatic, and what happened to it? Somebody is using it to build a drift car. Somebody is going to spend thousands of dollars doing a swap right, clean, and they knew right away: find a clean chassis with an automatic drivetrain to do it with.

I dont blame you for not knowing and I forgive everybody, I also appreciate the bumps so any negative as well as positive comments are entirely welcome.

recently sold:
http://zilvia.net/f/cars-sale/517666-1995-nissan-240sx-all-original-no-accidents-no-rust-florida-car-gg.html

[Syncade]

Must.......bite..........tongue..........

[Kingtal0n]

Must.......bite..........tongue..........

I appreciate the bump but you could wait until the car falls off the first page at least

This is alot of fun.

[115celi]

you are confused a little. Ill help you though.

This car is not a classic. As such, the original engine/transmission/differential is nearly worthless and doesn't matter at all. Numbers matching or not makes no difference.

The reason the original-ness of this car is important is because somebody wants to do a clean swap, and the best way to do that is starting with: all original parts.

Look at my previously sold Zenki- same situation, all original parts, automatic, and what happened to it? Somebody is using it to build a drift car. Somebody is going to spend thousands of dollars doing a swap right, clean, and they knew right away: find a clean chassis with an automatic drivetrain to do it with.

I dont blame you for not knowing and I forgive everybody, I also appreciate the bumps so any negative as well as positive comments are entirely welcome.

recently sold:
http://zilvia.net/f/cars-sale/517666-1995-nissan-240sx-all-original-no-accidents-no-rust-florida-car-gg.html

:wtf:
Admittedly, a very clean car and an unmolested car is important to start a swap with, but the "original-ness" doesn't add 4k to what a car is worth.

I bought an original zenki for $1100. Granted it is a 95 w/126k, the only thing wrong, other than some small door dings and some surface rust in the engine bay, was that it didn't meet emissions in Maryland.

I flew out, drove it back to WI and am in the middle of swapping a LS into it and for only about $8600... including what I paid for the car, my plane ticket, gas and a hotel room.

[Scope240sx]

this car is so clean!!
price is RIGHT! Better than any car for 11900

GLWS!

[KiLLeR2001]

you are confused a little. Ill help you though.

This car is not a classic. As such, the original engine/transmission/differential is nearly worthless and doesn't matter at all. Numbers matching or not makes no difference.

The reason the original-ness of this car is important is because somebody wants to do a clean swap, and the best way to do that is starting with: all original parts.

Look at my previously sold Zenki- same situation, all original parts, automatic, and what happened to it? Somebody is using it to build a drift car. Somebody is going to spend thousands of dollars doing a swap right, clean, and they knew right away: find a clean chassis with an automatic drivetrain to do it with.

I dont blame you for not knowing and I forgive everybody, I also appreciate the bumps so any negative as well as positive comments are entirely welcome.

Now let me help you out.

The person that would buy a car like this at the price you are charging will be a kid that just received a big chunk of money from his parents to buy a car. This will also be the same person to drive the car into the nearest accessible wall.

Anyone who knows anything about these cars (the ones who will properly care for it) will not pay $16,000 or whatever crazy price you decide to conjur up next. This is not even a rare color which would be grounds to negate the automatic transmission. Not only that, its not a 1998 either, which is substantially more rare than a 1997. The only thing you are holding onto is the 43,000 miles and the good condition that its in. If this car had 250,000 miles and in the same condition, where would your price be?

You need to wake up. Do it fast or you might hurt yourself.

[Kingtal0n]

Now let me help you out.

The person that would buy a car like this at the price you are charging will be a kid that just received a big chunk of money from his parents to buy a car. This will also be the same person to drive the car into the nearest accessible wall.

Anyone who knows anything about these cars (the ones who will properly care for it) will not pay $16,000 or whatever crazy price you decide to conjur up next. This is not even a rare color which would be grounds to negate the automatic transmission. Not only that, its not a 1998 either, which is substantially more rare than a 1997. The only thing you are holding onto is the 43,000 miles and the good condition that its in. If this car had 250,000 miles and in the same condition, where would your price be?

You need to wake up. Do it fast or you might hurt yourself.

Miles cause components to wear out. Nothing would be in the same condition. How much does it cost to replace every single suspension component on this car? And dont forget everything under the dash, every wire relay nut and bolt. Guarantee it costs more to replace it all than to just buy this one.

Not to mention it would no longer be factory installed. See, nobody installs things quite like the factory.
So even if you paid a "dealership" to change every single suspension component on a 240, it would not come out like it did back in 1997.

the price has nothing to do with rarity- it has to do with the fact I can drive this car for 10 more years and bring the mileage up to 150,000 and still sell it for $7000. So where did the other 5k go? Are you saying I should just sell it for 7k today instead of driving it for 10 more years and THEN selling it for 7k? Wouldn't THAT make me insane?

[tobroketobuildarealcar]

Your notation about factory installed parts vs dealer installed parts is a crock of crap. I have seen vehicles come from the factory missing head gaskets yes head gaskets and the only reason that it was cought is that after 5000 miles the customer noticed his coolant level low. And I have done some major services/repairs to cars I had one flood car I replaced the carpet seats engine (hydrolocked) harness ecu flushed fluids and a few other silly things and when the car was done you couldn't even tell it was apart (I had some people at the dealership inspect it and they all said the same)so the quality of the parts and the workmanship/pride of the technican makes all the difference. Bottom linr your car will not sell for this crack head price unless (incert some dumb asses name with more money than brain ) decides he has to have this exact car

[Kingtal0n]

Your notation about factory installed parts vs dealer installed parts is a crock of crap. I have seen vehicles come from the factory missing head gaskets yes head gaskets and the only reason that it was cought is that after 5000 miles the customer noticed his coolant level low. And I have done some major services/repairs to cars I had one flood car I replaced the carpet seats engine (hydrolocked) harness ecu flushed fluids and a few other silly things and when the car was done you couldn't even tell it was apart (I had some people at the dealership inspect it and they all said the same)so the quality of the parts and the workmanship/pride of the technican makes all the difference. Bottom linr your car will not sell for this crack head price unless (incert some dumb asses name with more money than brain ) decides he has to have this exact car

jealous?

Its been 16+ years. By now we would have noticed some 240's without headgaskets. All common issues have been sorted out, from fail door panels to leaky power steering. Thats the main reason I love 240s: we already know what the factory did right. I dont have to guess. It isnt a new car with "maybes" its a very specific 16 year old with a guarantee.

Bottom line everybody knows these cars in oem trim will go 200,000+ miles if well maintained. period. And then we swap them for another 200.

take it to a dealer and have the oem engine rebuilt... and NOW its a question mark. Don't do that.

[tobroketobuildarealcar]

That was reference that factory makes mistakes the car I was referring to was obviously not a 240 because I said head gasket's meaning 2 so someone with common sense would know a 240 never camr from the factory with a horozontally opposed or v engine

[Kingtal0n]

That was reference that factory makes mistakes the car I was referring to was obviously not a 240 because I said head gasket's meaning 2 so someone with common sense would know a 240 never camr from the factory with a horozontally opposed or v engine

So... your post has nothing to do with this car. You are just saying that all factories in the world employ people which, being human, might make mistakes.

thanks for the bump

[Dnguyener]

Really nice car. This is for someone that plans to keep it the way it is

[rb27dets14]

Your high....where's your mileage documentation? Besides a car fax...I know Florida is title mileage exempt on older cars....I had a 98 se just under 60k(no proof as the car came from Florida) but had a swap turbo suspension ect...sold for 9k.. The thread is posted on your first page...being as my car was a 98 it was already more "rare" or "collectible" but it's still just a 240sx...I can't tell u what to ask for your car but I can tell you that u won't be getting what your asking.... Keep that rock on your nightstand so u can take a hit before you post your next rare low mileage find up for sale...

[EsChassisLove]

Who the f$&k are you to start telling the entire community what these cars are worth? Who are you to just up and create these "guidelines" for the rest of us to go off just because YOU want $11,900 for a stock 1997 Kouki?

[anthonyr sil8ty]

You have got to be the dumbest son of a bitch on zilvia, asking 11k.

[LovetoSlide]

OP is on meth

[97nismo]

If it was a good deal and worth 12k wouldn't it be sold a long time ago?

[Marsinosllc]

I almost want to give this guy 11k so he can check himself in to a mental hospital..

[nighthawk48]

:drama:

This shit's hilarious.

[KiLLeR2001]

Miles cause components to wear out. Nothing would be in the same condition. How much does it cost to replace every single suspension component on this car? And dont forget everything under the dash, every wire relay nut and bolt. Guarantee it costs more to replace it all than to just buy this one.

Not to mention it would no longer be factory installed. See, nobody installs things quite like the factory.
So even if you paid a "dealership" to change every single suspension component on a 240, it would not come out like it did back in 1997.

the price has nothing to do with rarity- it has to do with the fact I can drive this car for 10 more years and bring the mileage up to 150,000 and still sell it for $7000. So where did the other 5k go? Are you saying I should just sell it for 7k today instead of driving it for 10 more years and THEN selling it for 7k? Wouldn't THAT make me insane?

I'm convinced you must take some sort prescription medication for a chemical imbalance in your brain, and I'm not even joking. You don't even know what components have been tampered with unless you've owned this car from Day 1, which you haven't. 70ft/lbs of torque is still 70ft/lbs of torque no matter who installs it, LOL.

Miles are officially exempt on this vehicle. And yes while there is a correlation to component wear and mileage, it is not a law set in stone. Driving a car 50,000 miles on poorly constructed roads will cause more stress than driving 100,000 on smooth flat roads.

To me its very apparent you are trying to pull excuses out of your ass to justify the price of this vehicle. You are entitled to your own price, but usually when someone makes a price like this, subconsciously they just want to keep the car for themselves. I know how it is man. It would take a ridiculous amount of money for me to sell my two-tone, which I bought with only 88,000 miles.

My advice, stop trying to sell this car and enjoy it for another year or so. When you are ready to actually sell it, post a price under $10,000.

[19kouki98]

^ I think you hit the nail on the head. Well said.

[EsChassisLove]

jealous?

Its been 16+ years. By now we would have noticed some 240's without headgaskets. All common issues have been sorted out, from fail door panels to leaky power steering. Thats the main reason I love 240s: we already know what the factory did right. I dont have to guess. It isnt a new car with "maybes" its a very specific 16 year old with a guarantee.

Bottom line everybody knows these cars in oem trim will go 200,000+ miles if well maintained. period. And then we swap them for another 200.

take it to a dealer and have the oem engine rebuilt... and NOW its a question mark. Don't do that.


Common issues, leaky power steering fixed?

Just a few posts ago, you said if its not leaking PS them you should be concerned. Because its completely normal for all of them to leak.

You are a complete idiot. Not to mention you claiming engine and tranny do not effect price? So if you had a clean, low mileage sr20 in here it would still be worth $12,000? Or if it had no engine at all it would still be worth $12,000?

You are a clown.

[EsChassisLove]

Your very existence offends me.

[Jax_David]

I'll give you 5k and a slow handy while i look you into your eyes.

[Kingtal0n]

new price $17,000

keep the posts coming guise kthx

some entertainment
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/draglarry/CAL1PRINT1_zpse82b6c30.jpg

[97nismo]

I remember when I took calculus 1-3 and Diffeq...don't even really use much as a chem e anymore

[Kingtal0n]

I remember when I took calculus 1-3 and Diffeq...don't even really use much as a chem e anymore

I really loved calc 2. I am sad my math is done D:

right now Im on biology of cancer, medical bacteriology, and human morph

moar entertainment:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/draglarry/autotuneyay_zps81607668.jpg

[singlecamslam]

i'm in real analysis right now, we use epsilon delta proofs all the time

[19kouki98]

http://i831.photobucket.com/albums/zz231/dr2b99civic/VKaWX.gif (http://s831.photobucket.com/user/dr2b99civic/media/VKaWX.gif.html)

[Kingtal0n]

Common issues, leaky power steering fixed?

Just a few posts ago, you said if its not leaking PS them you should be concerned. Because its completely normal for all of them to leak.

You are a complete idiot. Not to mention you claiming engine and tranny do not effect price? So if you had a clean, low mileage sr20 in here it would still be worth $12,000? Or if it had no engine at all it would still be worth $12,000?



I sold this one for 5
http://zilvia.net/f/cars-sale/508089-1995-zenki-fmic-lsd-brakes-7psi.html

And this one for 5
http://zilvia.net/f/cars-sale/517666-1995-nissan-240sx-all-original-no-accidents-no-rust-florida-car-gg.html

One had a clean swap. One had a stock engine. So, yes, the chassis matters.
And it is normal for them to leak, you should know that. mine leaks. doesn't yours?

[EsChassisLove]

But you just said that common issue was sorted out.

Now you are telling me it still leaks? Which is it?

I don't care what you have sold in the past. This is not about that.

I know chassis matters, dipshit. But you're saying engine and tranny do not effect price which in turn means you don't give a fuck about the engine and tranny.

Will the chassis move you from point A to B? Will the chassis get your wheels moving? Seems to me that the engine and tranny is a pretty big deal.

Your logic is flawed. Your people skills are shit. Your ability to market is shit.

Go jerk off to some more mathematical equations, bro.

[g35gabby]

But you just said that common issue was sorted out.

Now you are telling me it still leaks? Which is it?

I don't care what you have sold in the past. This is not about that.

I know chassis matters, dipshit. But you're saying engine and tranny do not effect price which in turn means you don't give a fuck about the engine and tranny.

Will the chassis move you from point A to B? Will the chassis get your wheels moving? Seems to me that the engine and tranny is a pretty big deal.

Your logic is flawed. Your people skills are shit. Your ability to market is shit.

Go jerk off to some more mathematical equations, bro.

:rofl::rofl:

Just saying, if I bought this car, the transmission would be the first to go, the suspension would be the second thing to follow being changed. 43k or not, that 16 years of rot on those bushings, 16 years of struts sitting, 16 years of Ball joint wear and degeneration, 16 years of engine mounts holding the car up, 16 years of the transmissions being used very limited, 16 years of fluid in the diff that most likely hasn't be touched and the transmission change would require me to take apart all of the "factory awesomeness" under the dash anyway.

It is a nice car don't get me wrong, but it isn't a 60s mustang or low mile IROC. I fail to see how this car is worth what you are asking, or even close to it. Keep the car, or sell it somewhere that is going to appreciate the vision you have. Places like this are built around members who have a desire to rip their cars apart and build them. Your marketing it as the exact opposite and other than that... you have a reasonably priced receptionist car. You are obviously marketing to the wrong crowd here.

PS you can buy Z and G cars that are almost a decade newer with the correct # of peddles for less and low miles. Never mind the additional creature comforts a 240sx was never equipped with.

[Kingtal0n]

But you just said that common issue was sorted out.

I know chassis matters, dipshit.

Your logic is flawed. Your people skills are shit. Your ability to market is shit.

Go jerk off to some more mathematical equations, bro.


+1 for name calling because

MY people skills suck

Rephrase your question minus the name calling ravenously jealous tone and I might deign to answer

[EsChassisLove]

Calling me jealous....when you haven't seen my cars.

Typical of someone to say when they're backed into a corner.

The question is quite clear. No need to rephrase.

[Kingtal0n]

:rofl::rofl:

Just saying, if I bought this car, the transmission would be the first to go, the suspension would be the second thing to follow being changed. 43k or not, that 16 years of rot on those bushings, 16 years of struts sitting, 16 years of Ball joint wear and degeneration, 16 years of engine mounts holding the car up, 16 years of the transmissions being used very limited, 16 years of fluid in the diff that most likely hasn't be touched and the transmission change would require me to take apart all of the "factory awesomeness" under the dash anyway.



I appreciate your time and effort and so I will reward you with similar input on my behalf.
First, all 97 240s had to deal with 16 years of *that stuff*. They either did it sitting in a garage, or showroom, or they did it driving on the road. In either case, the playing field is level because none of them was spared from that.
Secondly, you said it yourself and I said it earlier: all of those parts are easy to change. It is not a deterrent. Rather, a car thats already HAD all of those parts changed IS a deterrent. I would rather buy a stock car with all blown OEM bushings than one thats been "fixed up" by a random individual. I want to do the work to it MYSELF.




Places like this are built around members who have a desire to rip their cars apart and build them. Your marketing it as the exact opposite and other than that... you have a reasonably priced receptionist car. You are obviously marketing to the wrong crowd here.

Maybe you missed it up on the second page, but I highly recommend replacing the drivetrain in all 240sx vehicles. I've got at least 20 swaps under my belt and Ive never driven a 240sx with a KA engine before for very long. This car is built to swap- I Just want to do it myself, and many people feel the same way. Thats why original is AWSOMENESS. You can do everythi ng right the first time, and not be unraveling some other mess. These cars are limited and pretty soon there will not be any original chassis left to start from scratch.

I list every car I own for sale. that's how I get the next one, sell the previous one. Don't like my price? Complain about it here. please.
This weeks price: $56,476.55 USD

[Kingtal0n]

entertainment:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/draglarry/P1150630_zps1e447745.jpg

[KiLLeR2001]

Absolute nutcase. You think you are gifted because you understand concepts of Calculus and Physics? Clearly, since you know all the laws of thermodynamics, one can trust that your asking price is well within reason and justified.

You should write a thesis paper on 240sx value. LOL!

[Kingtal0n]

Absolute nutcase. You think you are gifted because you understand concepts of Calculus and Physics? Clearly, since you know all the laws of thermodynamics, one can trust that your asking price is well within reason and justified.

You should write a thesis paper on 240sx value. LOL!

Well hello name caller.

I dont think anybody truly understands physics. I am very weak in physics and calculus. I may be an employee of a university in charge of the instruction of mathematics to some degree- its true. But I do not have as well of a handle on it as you might feel that I am implying.

I come in peace, and with entertainment and good spirits in mind.
also, with leakey power steering that apparently backs me into a corner.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/draglarry/th_jaylong_zps8f6e193b.jpg (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/draglarry/jaylong_zps8f6e193b.mp4)

[rb27dets14]

KA FTW!!!!!!! Honestly if I ever built another s- chassis it would retain KA I've done every swap u can do into a 240 and I've come to the conclusion anything can make power just as easily at the next.... But I have to keep coming back to this thread the to funny... 12k for a stock s14... Crack must be your drug of choice

[g35gabby]

I appreciate your time and effort and so I will reward you with similar input on my behalf.
First, all 97 240s had to deal with 16 years of *that stuff*. They either did it sitting in a garage, or showroom, or they did it driving on the road. In either case, the playing field is level because none of them was spared from that.
Secondly, you said it yourself and I said it earlier: all of those parts are easy to change. It is not a deterrent. Rather, a car thats already HAD all of those parts changed IS a deterrent. I would rather buy a stock car with all blown OEM bushings than one thats been "fixed up" by a random individual. I want to do the work to it MYSELF.


But the point is, you are selling it for something that is beyond perfect and without defect. It isn't priced like a car that needs new bushings or ball joints, it is priced like something that is a certified pre-owned. That is the point howdy....


Maybe you missed it up on the second page, but I highly recommend replacing the drivetrain in all 240sx vehicles. I've got at least 20 swaps under my belt and Ive never driven a 240sx with a KA engine before for very long. This car is built to swap- I Just want to do it myself, and many people feel the same way. Thats why original is AWSOMENESS. You can do everythi ng right the first time, and not be unraveling some other mess. These cars are limited and pretty soon there will not be any original chassis left to start from scratch.

I list every car I own for sale. that's how I get the next one, sell the previous one. Don't like my price? Complain about it here. please.
This weeks price: $56,476.55 USD

So if you know that people should be servicing things and swapping things out than what genuine value is there to your "all OEM worn out original awesome"? It no longer continues to be "original awesome" if people are going to be having to service all kinds of stuff anyway. so you are just marking it up for what should be a ~6-7k worth of car so that someone can buy a low mile shell of sorts? I mean you understand that the engine, transmission, suspension, and everything else is going to be replaced as you just suggested yourself. Must be the "low miles seats" that you value so high then?

There is no value in fixing a dealerships warn control arm, compared to some hack job's control arm.... yet you still seem to miss that concept. People are trying to get your to grasp that, and yet.... nothing. Maybe someone who write a book about it, o... wait KBB does.... and says even in excellent condition this car is only worth $6065. Not that it is a perfect representation of that, or that KBB is always right. Just that it is at least being closer to real.

[Kingtal0n]

But the point is, you are selling it for something that is beyond perfect and without defect. It isn't priced like a car that needs new bushings or ball joints, it is priced like something that is a certified pre-owned. That is the point howdy....


a beyond perfect would be showroom kept 0 miles and thats worth something like $20,000 or better. More and more as the years go by.

And it doesnt need bushings or ball joints. It doesn't even need tie rod bellows. It will go 150,000 miles the way it sits. Yeah the TC rods and subframe bushings will fail. And maybe even the shocks. But thats to be expected once it gets up past 100,000 miles. I was only saying "what IF it needed part 1 2 3..." but it does not. 240s tend to weather mileage, and years, very well. Thats one of the things I love about them.




So if you know that people should be servicing things and swapping things out than what genuine value is there to your "all OEM worn out original awesome"? It no longer continues to be "original awesome" if people are going to be having to service all kinds of stuff anyway. so you are just marking it up for what should be a ~6-7k worth of car so that someone can buy a low mile shell of sorts? I mean you understand that the engine, transmission, suspension, and everything else is going to be replaced as you just suggested yourself. Must be the "low miles seats" that you value so high then?


You just need to own a few of these cars to appreciate this one. I've had my share and learned from experience the value is in the chassis, not the engine or transmission or bushings or suspension. There is value in having a clean chassis that you know has not been twisted or bent. That would be worthless if these cars were made EN-MASS, but these are not. There is a rarity aspect here that divulges value based on the ability to find this particular chassis with no modifications. How many Un-Modified 240's are left out there? The pool continues to shrink daily. And when there is only 1 left, whether its got 300,000 miles or 600 miles, it will be priceless. Otherwise, you are left sorting out somebody elses wiring... or whatever




There is no value in fixing a dealerships warn control arm, compared to some hack job's control arm.... yet you still seem to miss that concept. People are trying to get your to grasp that, and yet.... nothing. Maybe someone who write a book about it, o... wait KBB does.... and says even in excellent condition this car is only worth $6065. Not that it is a perfect representation of that, or that KBB is always right. Just that it is at least being closer to real.

I dont want anyone changing anything on my car except me. It depends on the part- thats what determines the degree of a ruined car. A control arm is not as big of a deal as a core support. I'd rather undo a hack job's wiring harness swap than a dented quarter panel. Every piece of the puzzle adds up individually. When a car has never been in an accident, and has never had a new engine or transmission, the FSM should still apply.


This car will go 150,000 miles without changing anything except the oil. Everyone knows the subframe bushings and TC rods are going to fail around 100k. But the car will still drive. It will probably make 200,000 miles or more.

And if I listed it for sale 10-15 years from now with 150,000-200,000 miles, blown shocks and blown subframe bushings and blown TC-rods and leaky power steering, no accidents, with pictures and proof of maintenance, I guarantee that it would fetch $7000 or more, thanks to rarity alone.

So If that is the case, and nobody can disagree with that being the case, why on earth would I let it go for $7000 today? Or even $8000? Or even $10,000? IF I sold for $10,000 today I would basically be giving up 10-15 years of driving a car for $3000 difference in price.

Where else can I lease a car for 10-15 years for $3000?

[Kingtal0n]

entertainment: (not my car I SWEAR please dont arrest me)
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And it doesnt end there. IF I care for the chassis properly, Once I hit 150,000 miles I will simply swap in my favorite 240sx daily driver drivetrain: S15 Six speed. I always have one sitting here ready for that time to come. Then, I can drive it for ANOTHER 150,000 miles for ANOTHER 10 years for the cost of a swap (whats that these days, around $3500?) So Again, Another $3500 gets me 10 years of driving. And 30mpg and 280rwhp. And if I take pictures of everything the way I always do, it will not lower the value because you will be able to see the quality of the work input.

Im going out of town over the weekend, but you can all leave your abusive and or creative comments here for dissection at a later date. Thanks for posting everybody.

[JoeyTheKid]

Let everyone hate on it, keeps your thread on the front page guaranteed.

[g35gabby]

a beyond perfect would be showroom kept 0 miles and thats worth something like $20,000 or better. More and more as the years go by.

And it doesnt need bushings or ball joints. It doesn't even need tie rod bellows. It will go 150,000 miles the way it sits. Yeah the TC rods and subframe bushings will fail. And maybe even the shocks. But thats to be expected once it gets up past 100,000 miles. I was only saying "what IF it needed part 1 2 3..." but it does not. 240s tend to weather mileage, and years, very well. Thats one of the things I love about them.





You just need to own a few of these cars to appreciate this one. I've had my share and learned from experience the value is in the chassis, not the engine or transmission or bushings or suspension. There is value in having a clean chassis that you know has not been twisted or bent. That would be worthless if these cars were made EN-MASS, but these are not. There is a rarity aspect here that divulges value based on the ability to find this particular chassis with no modifications. How many Un-Modified 240's are left out there? The pool continues to shrink daily. And when there is only 1 left, whether its got 300,000 miles or 600 miles, it will be priceless. Otherwise, you are left sorting out somebody elses wiring... or whatever





I dont want anyone changing anything on my car except me. It depends on the part- thats what determines the degree of a ruined car. A control arm is not as big of a deal as a core support. I'd rather undo a hack job's wiring harness swap than a dented quarter panel. Every piece of the puzzle adds up individually. When a car has never been in an accident, and has never had a new engine or transmission, the FSM should still apply.


This car will go 150,000 miles without changing anything except the oil. Everyone knows the subframe bushings and TC rods are going to fail around 100k. But the car will still drive. It will probably make 200,000 miles or more.

And if I listed it for sale 10-15 years from now with 150,000-200,000 miles, blown shocks and blown subframe bushings and blown TC-rods and leaky power steering, no accidents, with pictures and proof of maintenance, I guarantee that it would fetch $7000 or more, thanks to rarity alone.

So If that is the case, and nobody can disagree with that being the case, why on earth would I let it go for $7000 today? Or even $8000? Or even $10,000? IF I sold for $10,000 today I would basically be giving up 10-15 years of driving a car for $3000 difference in price.

Where else can I lease a car for 10-15 years for $3000?


lol at a lot of assumptions......

first and for most, I have owned 3 S13s. All purchased unmodified and mint. I paid 1k for a 5spd all original S13 in 2005. I purchased 2 S13 coupes this year with nothing but painted valve covers..... for 3k . I know the platform and there are few who have have the years of experience I have. The idea that I don't grasp or understand how "awesome" this is, is simply incorrect. It is a matter of perspective and what you can get with bigger engines and more potential for the same price (Z33s and G35s for instance).

in 10-15 years it will be neat, it will be a fresh AE86 of today. The difference is in 10-15 years G35s & 350zs will be the Z32 of this era, and R chassis will be street legal antiques. All the while you will still have an automatic KA powered S14, that people will still want simply for the shell, that they will be willing to sort out. Harnesses will be purchasable off the shelf like they are today to sort out others wiring.... and never mind that a Zenki will still be the same shell with different body panels.

You also seem to forget that in 10-15 years BRZs, FRS's, genesis, 1,3, and 5 series BMWs will also be around and relatively cheap with more power and more options than your 240sx. It is a cult car, but it isn't going to be as coveted as say a GNX is today.....

Just keep it, something you believe is so "rare", but oddly enough I see them on the road everyday. 10-15 years from now, there will be less.... but who is going to want it when a BRZ can be had for less, or a 135i?

[jr_ss]

This dude is on drugs, that's the only way to explain his random and wishful thinking. Bath salts are a son of a bitch...

[crzsteveo]

if you have it in 3 or 4 years ill buy it

[S14kouki_10]

Car Sold.. Close thread!


JKFREEBUMP

[JuliaGrammy]

240sx are not collector's cars, people.
BTW, you have a scuff on the passenger side bumper, and the bumper/headlights don't seem to line up very well.

GLWS, 11k!


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