Sound like a plan

[Zexel]

ok, what I think I'm going to do is instead of trying to get a 95-96 240 this spring (I came to reality and it's WAY out of my pricing range).  I'm going to talk to my dad about buying his 86 300 ZX Turbo.  RWD car like I want, 200 hp already, nice little car.  needs paint and I'm going to get the seats re-uphostlered, that's about all it needs.  OR get a 89-90 Coupe 240 in the spring.  they're somewhat cheap and I'd get some nice lookin wheels, and some mods.  but I can't find any mods that go onto the S13 Coupe!  Nopi.com is wacked out right now.  and I cant' find anywhere else!  can anyone point me in a direction for S13 coupe mods?  I found some simple bolt-ons for the Z Turbo that'll get me around 250.  but which would you guys go for?  they're both sports cars, and I'm 16.  I've been driving for a few months, no tickets, no accidents, nothing on my record whatsoever.  good student discount etc.  what would you do?  I'm thinking the Z Turbo just becuase it's my dad and he'll sell it to me cheap. (won't give it, I have to buy) and I dont' have to search around for one!  and then around Senior year, get the 240.  what would you do?  that's my plan for now.  any suggestions?

[ca18guy]

Get the Z you and your wallet will be happier with it. What "simple" mods do you plan to do to it. 300zx mods (http://www.z31.com/nfaq/faqview.php?ParentID=7)

[Zexel]

those are just the ones CAguy!!  looked at that page last week and started considering my dads Z.  I may clear out the taillights for looks factor.  but that's the only thing I'd do to it looks wise.  I love the stock wheels on it so yeah.  I love how they give you suggestions on z31.com, that page you posted.  it's a huge convienence.  but those are the mods! pretty much everything that it puts on that list.  except upgraded turbo.  I actually may have to rebuild his.  or I mean get it rebuilt.  I'll have to see how the boost runs on it right now.

[mistert]

i dont think most of the things for sale on NOPI qualify as mods, but thats your deal. I'd say get the s13 and you can do a swap of some sort and maybe a new front end. would you rather be "that guy with the ricey 300zx and/or 240sx that has clear tails" or "that guy with the JDM front end on his silvia"? chances are, most of the local ricers around you have never seen a real s13 silvia, and it would probably blew their mind. z31 just isnt as interesting, IMO.

[ca18guy]

This is ricey? Looks better then stock to me :confused:
http://www.clearcorners.com/products/nissan/300ZX1/R_sig1.jpg

Look at it this way, $2000 can get you a V6 turbo with sporty looks, or $2000 can get you a I4 with sporty looks. Of course I'm biased cause I owned a Z31 (as always when it comes to Z's I'd take a Z over anything)  Not to mention, do you really care what "the local ricers" think of your car?

(Edited by ca18guy at 3:12 pm on Nov. 25, 2001)

[Zexel]

well I was trying to find the S15 headlight conversion somewhere on the internet.  couldnt' find a deal where they posted their price.  and I don't exactly like the S13 front end conversion that is actually made for the S13.  and it will be kinda hard to find an S13 coupe around where I live (Oklahoma), but I'll start my searching.  I'm still debating the two, and it's a pretty equal fight for both.  I say we do a pro's and con's list about them, and that will lead me towards my choice.  

240 Pro's:  Drifter, not a hatchback, I'm thinking a little lighter in weight, more potential, newer than Z

300 Pro's:  Has more power stock, already turbocharged, V6

240 Con's:  4-cyl, rare to find (Coupe), only made 2 years of Coupe (89-90 right?)

300 Con's:  Flip up headlights w/ no conversion available, have to paint it, have to get new interior

That's all I can think of right now.  I'm very hungry so my mind is on food!!  anyone else please help me add onto this list!!

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Zexel on 3:18 pm on Nov. 25, 2001
well I was trying to find the S15 headlight conversion somewhere on the internet. couldnt' find a deal where they posted their price. and I don't exactly like the S13 front end conversion that is actually made for the S13. and it will be kinda hard to find an S13 coupe around where I live (Oklahoma), but I'll start my searching. I'm still debating the two, and it's a pretty equal fight for both. I say we do a pro's and con's list about them, and that will lead me towards my choice.

240 Pro's: Drifter, not a hatchback, I'm thinking a little lighter in weight, more potential, newer than Z

300 Pro's: Has more power stock, already turbocharged, V6

240 Con's: 4-cyl, rare to find (Coupe), only made 2 years of Coupe (89-90 right?)

300 Con's: Flip up headlights w/ no conversion available, have to paint it, have to get new interior

That's all I can think of right now. I'm very hungry so my mind is on food!! anyone else please help me add onto this list!!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

-For the s15 parts I knwo www.unstable-hybrids.com sells them
-How do's the S13 have more potential then a Z31?
-When I had my Z31 I cut the wire that makes the lights pop up when on then put len's over the opening making it have a semi Z32 look. So that is an option if you were looking, I actually like the stock look better looking back at it now.

[DSC]

I'd go for the Z. If it was from someone you didn't know I wouldn't get anything older than 89 but since he's your dad, you know exactly what (if any) problems it has. Good luck.

ps. I wana see pics when you get it, whichever you choose.

[mistert]

i assumed that because he would be looking at a store like NOPI, then he obviously IS concerned what people think of his car's looks. yeah mr c18detguy those tails do look really nice, when he said clears i was thinking something more like the common full clears i have seen on s13's and z's.

on to your pros and cons...240 is ALOT lighter in weight. no, there were DOHC coupes as well. another pro: your car is ALREADY a One-VIA, in japan peopel are shelling out cash to make their car look like that <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

on the 300ZX, the biggest con is the massive weight/bad distribution, and handling which sub-par to a 240sx. you could drift a 300zx just fine, it just wouldnt do nearly as well as a 240

[transient]

Personally I like the flip-up headlights, especially on the Z.

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from mistert on 3:26 pm on Nov. 25, 2001
i assumed that because he would be looking at a store like NOPI, then he obviously IS concerned what people think of his car's looks. yeah mr c18detguy those tails do look really nice, when he said clears i was thinking something more like the common full clears i have seen on s13's and z's.

on to your pros and cons...240 is ALOT lighter in weight. no, there were DOHC coupes as well. another pro: your car is ALREADY a One-VIA, in japan peopel are shelling out cash to make their car look like that <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

on the 300ZX, the biggest con is the massive weight/bad distribution, and handling which sub-par to a 240sx. you could drift a 300zx just fine, it just wouldnt do nearly as well as a 240
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-I posted those clear tails because there the only clear tails available for the Z31
-The 86' 300ZXT wiegh's 3255lbs the lowest I've seen for the S13 is 2875lbs thats a 380lbs difference not that massive of a difference.
-Do you really care what people in Japan are paying for the car? Last time I checked you were in Oklahoma(Zexel)
-The S13 doesn't handle that much better then a Z31 if at all, I felt just as confident if not more in my Z31 as I do in my S13.


(Edited by ca18guy at 3:49 pm on Nov. 25, 2001)

[bing]

i have a s13 coupe and my good friend has a 86 300z turbo, a 84 300z turbo and a 86 300z, the 86 turbo is the driver the others are parts cars and he's been shipping to the states regularly.

the 300z are mad fast, he used to be about cornering and that jazz, now he's all straight, all speed. &nbsp;beats mustangs and SRV's, only guys around here that get him are type R's (maybe) and my other bussies 99 eclipse gst. he's has it sitting fo rthe winter and u can expect big things, it's all black, digi dash that fucking talks to him (key feature) and 16 inch stock rims, he'a also got 2 sets of 15's on each other car,

if you can get a solid 300x turbo, fudkin do it baby, they is mighty fast.

[Zexel]

hey CAguy, I was just about to go to z31.com and look for that instructiona bout cuttin the wire for the headlights. &nbsp;I have the Z motorsports magazine where I can get the lil covers. &nbsp;MisterT, they sell performance mods too. &nbsp;all you have to do is specify your car, and it shows the pieces and brands of mods that can fit your car. &nbsp;that's what I was talking about. well like I said, the paint is in bad condition, and the interior is ok, other than the carpet in the hatch. &nbsp;but I'll try to take pics and post them as soon as I can. &nbsp;what color paint should I try? &nbsp;I'm thinking stick with the red (what is has already) or a white. &nbsp;the pictures @ clearcorners.com inspire me on a white, but I'm not real sure yet. &nbsp;the seats/interior is leather, and I want to keep it leather instead of going cloth, so that's why I'm going to get it re-uphosltered. &nbsp;I tried to go to leatherseats.com, but they don't have an application for this year and model Z. &nbsp;it says call them and find out since not all models and years are posted. &nbsp;so I may do that. &nbsp;

[Zexel]

oh yeah bing, my dad's has that too. &nbsp;I was trying to figure out a way to change the color of it, instead of green. &nbsp;but it's too complicated wiring and all. &nbsp;I love how it goes &quot;Right door, is open.&quot; &nbsp;And like &quot;Trunk, is open.&quot;....lol I love it!! &nbsp;its' a nice car other than paint. &nbsp;and the shifting is a little hard, but I can get past that. &nbsp;one time me and my dad were getting onto the highway, and BAM, next thing ya know he's in 3rd going bout 80+ mph and my head is in my seat, he looks over and says....&quot;That's why you can't have this car.&quot;. &nbsp;I've talked him into since thuogh! haha, now just gotta talk to my mom! &nbsp;that'll be the hard part, she doesn't like the fact that I'm going to get a fast car next spring, but I think she's going along with it. &nbsp;she knows i'm getting one anyways. &nbsp;but I gotta pay insurance and all. it's gonna be hella much, but it's ok!!

[ca18guy]

Keep it the stock color, it cost's more to change the color of a car. As with most cars with bad paint, a new paint job makes it like a totally different car. I told the paint shop to paint my car the stock color,I was surprised when my black car (or so i thought) came back a midnight blue(you could only tell it was blue when the light hit it just right)

[mistert]

well trying to keep up 300zx sales is the entire reason we never received a real silvia. who would want to buy a 300zx when the silvia costed almost half as much, was almost as fast, handles alot better, and, in my opinion anyways, looks a whole lot better?

[Zexel]

hey caguy, did cutting the wires so the headlights can't pop-up make that much of a difference lighting? &nbsp;I heard it does, but not much. &nbsp;and I've also heard that it doesn't.

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from mistert on 3:58 pm on Nov. 25, 2001
well trying to keep up 300zx sales is the entire reason we never received a real silvia. who would want to buy a 300zx when the silvia costed almost half as much, was almost as fast, handles alot better, and, in my opinion anyways, looks a whole lot better?
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That was'nt the case in 1986, and only was part of the reason in 1990 we did not get the better engines was to not cannabilize the sales of n/a Z's. Have you ever driven a Z31? The S13's handling isn't really noticably better.

[mistert]

yes i have driven z31's before. i found them to be alot less tossable, but the extra power on tap vs. the 240sx we have here pretty much make up that difference. negligible difference or not, you're dealing with a car that is 3-4 years older, which can make all the difference in the condition of the suspension. also, finding new suspension and better suspension parts shouldnt be as much of a problem as with the z31. either car is really a good car, i would just rather have the s13

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Zexel on 4<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>0 pm on Nov. 25, 2001
hey caguy, did cutting the wires so the headlights can't pop-up make that much of a difference lighting? I heard it does, but not much. and I've also heard that it doesn't.
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I had the tinted headlight covers and the headlights down so yes there was a noticable difference (I could'nt see jack) but where i lived every road had street lights so no biggie. Not to mention you can still put the lights up by pressing the button on the side.

(Edited by ca18guy at 4:15 pm on Nov. 25, 2001)

[whateverjames]

i'd buy the Z from your dad, fix it up and never think of a 240sx again. even the old Z's are cooler i think. slap on an intercooler, injectors, the basic bolt ons, boost controller and you easily have a fast car.

[Zexel]

I couldn't find the instructions about it. &nbsp;I didn't know you could still pull them up if needed. &nbsp;do you just push the button again and have them come down? &nbsp;I thuoght when you cut the fuse it totally disabled the headlights from propping up. &nbsp;now I know! &nbsp;I know an intercooler would make a world of a difference. &nbsp;looks like I'll start talking a deal into my dad for the spring! &nbsp;more than likely that is

[Drifting Ricer]

Looking at this theard makes me want to buy a 86 Z <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('>. &nbsp;There was one there at the dealer, when I bought my S14. I'm not sure if it was NA or Turbo. If I knew back them I would of bought it (if it was turbo). &nbsp;Ah well I love my car anyway. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>.

[mistert]

well i understand how choice between s13 (or the ugly disproportionate US version, anyways) and the z31 might be hard for some, but come on, an s14 and a z31? especially if its an s14a! those are so sexay!

[matic 240sx]

zexel, if you want a 95 240sx SE 5-speed black.. &nbsp;i got it cheap... &nbsp;e-mail me [email protected]

Haha interesting how my #### automotive lighting pictures popup so #### frequently on this forum! &nbsp;Hey, I'll take it as a compliment indeed.. it seems a lot of you guys like my work. &nbsp;=) &nbsp;Thanks guys..

Anyway, I've obviously worked on both cars.. S-chassis and Z-chassis.. well, I am obviously torn and fall moreso toward the S chassis.

The SX is more nimble.. its a light-weight that is easy to work on, maintain, and very easy to feel and adjust to.

The ZX is a workhorse.. its a great car but high-quality mods are harder to find and working on it in NA trim is an absolute bitch. &nbsp;In turbo, expect even worse. &nbsp;The turbo is faster, yes, but its just SO much work, its almost unreal..!!

Both the Z31 and 89-90 S13 suffer from defective injectors.. a $350-450 expense. &nbsp;Atleast the Z31 injectors were recalled.. the original S13 injectors were not.

The Z31's timing belt is a mess.. good luck changing it. &nbsp;Like I said, the car is a nightmare for ME to work on. &nbsp;I prefer the simple layout of the S-chassis. &nbsp;The SX, as most of us know.. is timing chain.

The Z31 is heavier.. suspension is nice but the car is a `lill boatier &amp; steers like a hog with the V6. &nbsp;The S.. well, its a 240.. so its easy to throw around and zig-zag. &nbsp;The Z is still an excellent handling car.. it just takes getting used to the weight, thats all. &nbsp;It probably handles just as well.. or very similar.

Interiors.. the SX shines.. the Z31 does not. &nbsp;The Z31 has ugly striped - yuck! &nbsp;I dont prefer it... not one bit! &nbsp;Especially that cheap fake stitching on the dash. &nbsp;Plus, the controls for all the vents and what not are very `80s.. not as keen as the SX. &nbsp;Hehe I like how the Z31 has variable speed ventillation fan.. its not 4-step like the S13.. its gradual. &nbsp;Hehe thats cool. &nbsp;:)

Overall, both cars are incredibly similar.. its just that the SX is more of a `90`s car.. and so it went through NISSANS early 90 major changes.. just like the Z32. &nbsp;Now if you'de compare Z32 with SX.. the Z32 would be a better car.. but its definately STILL a bitch to work on. &nbsp;But atleast you have 220 or so HP of NA power.. and a beautiful car, inside and out. &nbsp;I'm all for the Z32. &nbsp;:)

Hope none of this came off as offensive. &nbsp;I like the Z31 a lot too... I wouldnt sell lights for it if I didnt like it. &nbsp;Its just hard to keep them &quot;modern and clean.&quot; &nbsp;The white Z31 on my site is my cousin's project car. &nbsp;Its been in shambles for over 3 years. &nbsp;Take a hint, a built turbo setup w/ 150 shot of NOS.. expected to have around 500HP.. well, no shit.. the car requires MAJOR work and money. &nbsp;The SX doesnt require as much to perform as well.. its roomier and less complicated. &nbsp;Just pickup an old_s13 for 1-2g's and have some fun with it.. oh, and stay away from NOPI.. they are evil. &nbsp;:)
- Mike

[mistert]

old s13...read the topic...think of a-team...and say what you've gotta

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Zexel on 7:13 pm on Nov. 25, 2001
I couldn't find the instructions about it. I didn't know you could still pull them up if needed. do you just push the button again and have them come down? I thuoght when you cut the fuse it totally disabled the headlights from propping up. now I know! I know an intercooler would make a world of a difference. looks like I'll start talking a deal into my dad for the spring! more than likely that is
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This expalins it pretty much <a href="http://www.engr.colostate.edu/~jwakeman/lights/headlight.htm" target='_blank'>http://www.engr.colostate.edu/~jwakeman/lights/headlight.htm</a>

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old s13...read the topic...think of a-team...and say what you've gotta
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what, the topic &quot;sounds like a plan&quot; &nbsp;???????????????

Hahahaha dude, you know how long I've been waiting to say this....

&quot;I love it, when a plan comes together!&quot; &nbsp;muahahah MisterT you rock dude.

:)

CA18guy&gt; &nbsp;I cant help but notice.. and my apologies to all the female members on this list, but shit, the girl standing in front of your icon has a BIG ASS BOOTY. &nbsp;Not bad for a white girl.. or is she hispanic.

I cant beleive you have that as your image, must be a hit with the girls. &nbsp;:)

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I couldn't find the instructions about it. I didn't know you could still pull them up if needed. do you just push the button again and have them come down? I thuoght when you cut the fuse it totally disabled the headlights from propping up. now I know! I know an intercooler would make a world of a difference. looks like I'll start talking a deal into my dad for the spring! more than likely that is
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This expalins it pretty much <a href="http://www.engr.colostate.edu/~jwakeman/lights/headlight.htm" target='_blank'>http://www.engr.colostate.edu/~jwakeman/lights/headlight.htm</a>
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[ca18guy]

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CA18guy&gt; I cant help but notice.. and my apologies to all the female members on this list, but shit, the girl standing in front of your icon has a BIG ASS BOOTY. Not bad for a white girl.. or is she hispanic.

I cant beleive you have that as your image, must be a hit with the girls. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
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I'm hoping that if I leave it up long enough all the hot girls out there will start working on there cars in a thong and bra like that chick <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[Zexel]

yeah, I'm an ass man myself!! &nbsp;looks like I'll be talking my parents into getting the Z int he spring. &nbsp;check out the new post by me in the Chat Section, and look what happened to me today!! &nbsp;such BS. &nbsp;its' ok though, I'll post it in a while!!!

[keepitmovin]

I was sorda in the same predicament. Couldnt afford the 95' and up 240sx so I got a 96' civic hatchy (traded a sign for an auto dealer for it long story but it was practiclly free) Im 16 too and gonna keep the hatch then sell for a 240sx next year or after whenever I get the money. Its ok dont be in such a rush to get the car your gonna keep man. We still got tons of time were still in school ya know what i mean. Just get the Z its fast and you dont have to be right on time with the payments with your dad more or less as if you buy from someone else. just my .02$

[Zexel]

that's a good point, about the payment situation thing. &nbsp;and that is true I shouldn't be in such a rush to get it...but I've wanted this car since he got it (94 or 95 I believe), and now that I actually have the chance to own it, I'm kind of exstatic ya know. &nbsp;