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I was going to wait until July 1st to start this but I figured the only people that still care about the Heat winning it all is Dnnr and I so lets get the off-season rolling. The old thread will remain open until Phlips B-Day/
Greg Oden's agent says there is mutual interest with Miami Heat - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/22499212/greg-odens-agent-says-there-is-mutual-interest-with-miami-heat)
It's looking like Greg Oden is fully healthy and wants to come to the Heat. From what his agent said, he's good to go and the Heat are ready to sign him when FA begins. If he is able to stay healthy and can give Miami atleast 80% of what his potential was back in 09', I'm alot more confident in a 3peat. The only thing that stops him from going to Miami is another team overpaying him just to keep him away. 7' 285lbs great defender and has an okay back to the basket game. Bosh would move back to the PF spot. I get goose bumps thinking of the possibilities
Most the Heat can give him is the $3M Tax-level which is pretty damn good for a guy that hasn't played in almost 4 years. But I think the Heat will try to get him for the minimum.
Phlip
06-22-2013, 04:12 AM
It's looking like Greg Oden is fully healthy and wants to come to the Heat. From what his agent said, he's good to go and the Heat are ready to sign him when FA begins. If he is able to stay healthy and give Miami atleast 80% of what his potential was back in 09', I'm alot more confident in a 3peat. The only thing that stops him from going to Miami is another team overpaying him just to keep him away. 7' 285lbs great defender and has an okay back to the basket game. Bosh would move back to the PF spot. I get goose bumps thinking of the possibilities :)
Most the Heat can give him is the $3M Tax-level which is pretty damn good for a guy that hasn't played in almost 4 years. But I think the Heat will try to get him for the minimum.
If you trust anyone saying that Greg Oden is healthy, you are higher than Rick James.
Further, you can NOT call the little time he has played as any sampling of what to expect out of him. Sure, he COULD be as great as they get, but we won't know that until it actually happens.
acslater9
06-22-2013, 06:32 AM
I want to see what my Bulls are going to do this off season, They did really good without Derrick Rose so I'm excited.
Monta Ellis to the Bulls? lol jk
FRpilot
06-22-2013, 02:52 PM
Can we please fix the thread title? i have ocd and it bothers me.
theronin
06-22-2013, 03:37 PM
Can we please fiix the thread title? i have ocd and it bothers me.
Just noticed this, and I concur.
word sux
06-22-2013, 06:43 PM
good job riq starting off a new season with fail
KiLLeR2001
06-22-2013, 06:45 PM
Riq so drunk from the after party he derp'd on the title.
Phlip
06-22-2013, 08:30 PM
I'm not fixing it any time soon...
The title shows how drunk Miami fans have been and needs to remain until Brolo returns from his time in the wilderness trying to commit suicide by being maimed by a mountain lion.
Greg Oden being healthy is a pipe dream.
I'm not fixing it any time soon...
The title shows how drunk Miami fans have been and needs to remain until Brolo returns from his time in the wilderness trying to commit suicide by being maimed by a mountain lion.
LMAO! I agree leave it for now, it was 4:30am and I had just come in from a rare night out with the wife. Sorry for the typo guys.
As far as Oden goes, if he can be 80% of what he was back in 09', he could be the best Center on the Heat roster, hell even at 70%. The Heat doctors were able to help "JO" with his knee issues. I think they can get him healthy enough to play 15-25min per game. All I want him to do is stop drivers. Worst case his wears a suit to his first ring :cough: :cough: Cocky Heat Fan :cough: :cough:
Something tells me that Brolo won't be visiting this thread much. The guy has been MIA since he realized that Iso-Melo was completely fail or he was too embarrassed about his "Melo Bully" Youtube vid being seen as a joke lol!
revat619
06-22-2013, 11:43 PM
My only hope for this next season right now is a healthy Kobe Bryant. D'antoni is still gonna be at the the helm and Dwight Diva Howard doesn't know wtf he wants to do. If Kobe is healthy, i'll consider this train wreck that is the Lakers since Jim Buss took over, a success. :rolleyes:
EDIT: Oh and getting rid of Jodie Meeks. PLEASE. Good god that guy's college game DID NOT transfer over well. Dude has been a huge let down. The Lakers need a lot of help in a lot of areas and have next to zero financial flexibility and draft picks. They've always been able to bounce back through the years, but this new cba is definitely gonna make it more challenging. Can't wait till free agency.
My only hope for this next season right now is a healthy Kobe Bryant. D'antoni is still gonna be at the the helm and Dwight Diva Howard doesn't know wtf he wants to do. If Kobe is healthy, i'll consider this train wreck that is the Lakers since Jim Buss took over, a success. :rolleyes:
EDIT: Oh and getting rid of Jodie Meeks. PLEASE. Good god that guy's college game DID NOT transfer over well. Dude has been a huge let down. The Lakers need a lot of help in a lot of areas and have next to zero financial flexibility and draft picks. They've always been able to bounce back through the years, but this new cba is definitely gonna make it more challenging. Can't wait till free agency.
The Lakers should be more than fine with the CBA Tax issue. Their T.V deal is a $120M per year alone last time I checked. If Buss is about winning he shouldn't care about being taxed up the ass. Try being Micky in Miami with his $60M per deal. In all fairness to Dantoni, he only got 37 games or so with all his stars and Dwight was playing hurt with his bad back. That being said, I have zero trust in Dantoni taking the Lakers to the finals. I just don't understand Jim's thinking with that hire. Atleast Mike Brown knew how to coach Defense which he should know is what wins rings and lets face it Dantoni will never coach Defense.
Personally I think Dwight stays in L.A. But if he's serious about winning he goes to the Rockets.
revat619
06-23-2013, 02:29 AM
The Lakers should be more than fine with the CBA Tax issue. Their T.V deal is a $120M per year alone last time I checked. If Buss is about winning he shouldn't care about being taxed up the ass. Try being Micky in Miami with his $60M per deal. In all fairness to Dantoni, he only got 37 games or so with all his stars and Dwight was playing hurt with his bad back. That being said, I have zero trust in Dantoni taking the Lakers to the finals. I just don't understand Jim's thinking with that hire. Atleast Mike Brown knew how to coach Defense which he should know is what wins rings and lets face it Dantoni will never coach Defense.
Personally I think Dwight stays in L.A. But if he's serious about winning he goes to the Rockets.
I totally agree with you especially with Kobe and Pau's (assuming he isn't traded) contracts soon to be coming off the books BUT Jim Buss is an idiot and i doubt he'll take that into consideration. If it were me, yeah i wouldn't give 2 shits about the tax and i'd spend to actually have something that resembled a quality bench..
If Jim were really about winning he would never have hired D'antoni to begin with. That hire was a dig at Phil and we all know it. True, D'antoni did have to deal with no training camp and an absurd amount of injuries, but like you said he will indeed NEVER coach defense so my confidence in the team going forward is reluctantly optimistic.
I'm really 50/50 on Dwight staying. Even as a Laker fan, i know the best team for him would be the Rockets. Nobody in their right mind WANTS to play for D'antoni. But Dwight has all his metal issues with making everyone happy and what not so who knows. I just want him to make a decision and not be wishy washy about it cuz that shit is annoying.
Phlip
06-23-2013, 04:39 AM
I think Andrew Bynum sandbagged last season so Philly will not offer him a contract, then he can re-sign with the Lakers and then pop back to effectiveness on some "gotcha bitch!" shit. The Lakers draft a PG who mentors under Steve Nash for a year or two, Eric Gordon escapes New Orleans and fills the spot formerly occupied by Kobe Bryant.
I'm bullshitting... we don't want Bynum and all that other stuff is me being bored.
theronin
06-23-2013, 12:59 PM
I think Andrew Bynum sandbagged last season so Philly will not offer him a contract, then he can re-sign with the Lakers and then pop back to effectiveness on some "gotcha bitch!" shit. The Lakers draft a PG who mentors under Steve Nash for a year or two, Eric Gordon escapes New Orleans and fills the spot formerly occupied by Kobe Bryant.
I'm bullshitting... we don't want Bynum and all that other stuff is me being bored.
Lol I was gonna say....
FRpilot
06-23-2013, 01:30 PM
all that other stuff is me being bored.
Here's some rumors if you're bored. Not much, but it's something:
-Mavs trying to find someone to take Marion's $9M salary and including their 13th pick as an incentive. Rumor is Mavs send 13th pick + Shawn Marion's $9M contract to Pelicans for another pick (maybe a late first or 2nd rounder). Mavs trying to free up money to make a run and D12 and/or CP3.
-Cavs offer two 2nd round picks for PP. I don't why they would want an old ass Pierce for their young ass team.
SimpleSexy180
06-23-2013, 01:35 PM
andrew bynum looks at the NBA the same way i would be if i was in the no bad asses rig. cant eat, can not say anything about his homies. ALMOST as if zilvia had a contract.
FRpilot
06-23-2013, 01:42 PM
Screw Andrew Bynum. That asshat is like a slightly more mature DeMarcus Cousins. Both are big men with huge games but are mentally challenged when it comes to authority.
I have a feeling that whoever signs him will have the next Amare Stoudemire.
Los Angeles Clippers agree in principle to Doc Rivers deal -- sources - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9415256/los-angeles-clippers-agree-principle-doc-rivers-deal-sources)
And here we go...
acslater9
06-23-2013, 06:43 PM
Where do you guys think Monta Ellis will possibly go?
Phlip
06-23-2013, 06:56 PM
Where do you guys think Monta Ellis will possibly go?
Nowhere, since no one who contends can afford him
zooopreme
06-23-2013, 08:28 PM
The Clips just got a lot better in my book. Better than a Laker squad with Dwight, Pau, a healthy Nash, and Kobe.
River's adds grit that the Clips sort of had but under the wings of CP3. Despite being raised in LA, the Clips were never a franchise worth liking and I don't expect to root or associate my hometown as a Clippertown.
The Lakers should be more than fine with the CBA Tax issue. Their T.V deal is a $120M per year alone last time I checked. If Buss is about winning he shouldn't care about being taxed up the ass. Try being Micky in Miami with his $60M per deal.
You talk about money like you own a franchise.
For the last two years, the Lakers have been getting rid of some of their higher paid players in order to alleviate themselves from the tax and because they were simply past their due date.
The reason they're fighting for Dwight is because they want a stepping stone or a starting block to establish an identity. The way I see it Dwight is NOT a great center to build around and I think the Lakers feel the same way but are willing to give him that incentive for trying. With that said, he will leave and now the Lakers are left with dinosaurs.
"They'll be more than fine" is what they've been dealing with. Where they want to be is with younger talent with smaller contracts.
In all fairness to Dantoni, he only got 37 games or so with all his stars and Dwight was playing hurt with his bad back. That being said, I have zero trust in Dantoni taking the Lakers to the finals. I just don't understand Jim's thinking with that hire. Atleast Mike Brown knew how to coach Defense which he should know is what wins rings and lets face it Dantoni will never coach Defense.
Personally I think Dwight stays in L.A. But if he's serious about winning he goes to the Rockets.
In all fairness, D'Antoni has tweaked his offense but in doing so, he loss the ability to coach anything else.
In my point of view, if the coach is great on the offensive end, it's easy to read the other teams offense and counter it. D'Antoni has shown his lack of versatility.
Mike Brown wasn't given a chance because he implemented an offense that was difficult to teach in one summer. He didn't establish the basics of the Princeton offense and dove into it like the players should have known.
If Jim were really about winning he would never have hired D'antoni to begin with. That hire was a dig at Phil and we all know it. True, D'antoni did have to deal with no training camp and an absurd amount of injuries, but like you said he will indeed NEVER coach defense so my confidence in the team going forward is reluctantly optimistic.
Everybody complains about D'Antoni and his lack of defense but you forget that Phil wasn't defensive coordinated either.
I feel like Phil was a better choice but not the right choice. I believe the roster choice was a problem. I've been on record for being upset about picking up Nash. In terms of Nash, the Laker org wanted to get the best out of him but his role shrunk to a more D.Fish role and guess who flourished with a not-PG-centered triangle offense? Phil.
The Laker defense wouldn't have been better under Phil and the injuries would have still been there. The Kobe achilles probably would have happened as well.
SimpleSexy180
06-23-2013, 08:59 PM
Screw Andrew Bynum. That asshat is like a slightly more mature DeMarcus Cousins. Both are big men with huge games but are mentally challenged when it comes to authority.
I have a feeling that whoever signs him will have the next Amare Stoudemire.
SO YOU MEAN, that bynum will end up in a dessert?
Goofs
06-23-2013, 09:21 PM
I want to see what my Bulls are going to do this off season, They did really good without Derrick Rose so I'm excited.
Monta Ellis to the Bulls? lol jk
A 3 or 4th seed, and a second round exit. I'll be surprised if Rose plays at the same level he did, or better, before the injury.
FRpilot
06-24-2013, 12:26 AM
Where do you guys think Monta Ellis will possibly go?
Probably a desperate team that has a need for a "superstar" and will overpay for him.
My bet is on Charlotte.
With Washington or Detroit being a close second with visions of a John Wall/Monta Ellis or Brandon Knight/Monta Ellis backcourt tandem. haha
SO YOU MEAN, that bynum will end up in a dessert?
I don't get what you are saying? Inside joke? Are you talking about an ice cream sundae or the Phoenix Suns?
The Clips just got a lot better in my book. Better than a Laker squad with Dwight, Pau, a healthy Nash, and Kobe.
It would be funny if Chris Paul still bolts and screws the Clippers, Donald Sterling, and Doc Rivers. lol
The reason they're fighting for Dwight is because they want a stepping stone or a starting block to establish an identity. The way I see it Dwight is NOT a great center to build around and I think the Lakers feel the same way but are willing to give him that incentive for trying. With that said, he will leave and now the Lakers are left with dinosaurs.
I don't see Dwight as a franchise player either, no matter how much he thinks he's better than Shaq. He would be a great sidekick (or even a third tier guy on a team, since even 2nd tier superstar/sidekicks can create their own offense and score), but I don't know how you would break that to him without hurting his ego or him getting angry.
I think maxing Dwight out is a mistake. The Lakers have always gone after the top talent in the game. They signed Shaq in the mid 90s and they drafted Kobe whom carried them for the last 20 years. The only obvious road I see the Lakers taking is making a run at Lebron or Durant, but who knows. Daddy's dead, it's the end of an era, and Junior is running the show now.
theronin
06-24-2013, 02:05 AM
Probably a desperate team that has a need for a "superstar" and will overpay for him.
My bet is on Charlotte.
With Washington or Detroit being a close second with visions of a John Wall/Monta Ellis or Brandon Knight/Monta Ellis backcourt tandem. haha
I don't get what you are saying? Inside joke? Are you talking about an ice cream sundae or the Phoenix Suns?
It would be funny if Chris Paul still bolts and screws the Clippers, Donald Sterling, and Doc Rivers. lol
I don't see Dwight as a franchise player either, no matter how much he thinks he's better than Shaq. He would be a great sidekick (or even a third tier guy on a team, since even 2nd tier superstar/sidekicks can create their own offense and score), but I don't know how you would break that to him without hurting his ego or him getting angry.
I think maxing Dwight out is a mistake. The Lakers have always gone after the top talent in the game. They signed Shaq in the mid 90s and they drafted Kobe whom carried them for the last 20 years. The only obvious road I see the Lakers taking is making a run at Lebron or Durant, but who knows. Daddy's dead, it's the end of an era, and Junior is running the show now.
I'm starting a fund so we can just clone Kobe. Phlip, care to donate?
Phlip
06-24-2013, 02:09 AM
I'm starting a fund so we can just clone Kobe. Phlip, care to donate?
Phlip is the owner of an almost 2 year-old... I ain't donating to SHIT. Had to amp on a Greenpeace staffer Thursday while I was downtown trying to get lunch.
FRpilot
06-24-2013, 02:35 AM
Phlip is the owner of an almost 2 year-old...
which probably explains you being up at 4am your time.
Phlip
06-24-2013, 02:48 AM
which probably explains you being up at 4am your time.
Most other days, yes but not today...
I just randomly woke the fuck up at 3, she is still snoring loudly according to this monitor sitting right here. I am off work today with only a 5-mile run and eye doctor appointment ahead of me, which I will probably tie into one trip out of the house later. Being awake at this obscene hour is my body torturing me.
I'll go back to sleep and let her mother take care of dropoff at the sitter and all.
enkei2k
06-24-2013, 08:34 AM
Live stream of the parade for your viewing (dis)pleasure if you're outside of FL (should be a legal stream since it's from Fox Sports)
Miami Heat NBA championship parade (http://www.foxsportsflorida.com/nba/miami-heat/video/heat_parade_2013?from=en-us_msnhp)
zooopreme
06-24-2013, 10:30 AM
It would be funny if Chris Paul still bolts and screws the Clippers, Donald Sterling, and Doc Rivers. lol
Sterling is a known racist and I'm surprised Doc decided to make a deal with that guy.
Way to make your way up the ladder, Doc.
I don't see Dwight as a franchise player either, no matter how much he thinks he's better than Shaq. He would be a great sidekick (or even a third tier guy on a team, since even 2nd tier superstar/sidekicks can create their own offense and score), but I don't know how you would break that to him without hurting his ego or him getting angry.
I think maxing Dwight out is a mistake. The Lakers have always gone after the top talent in the game. They signed Shaq in the mid 90s and they drafted Kobe whom carried them for the last 20 years. The only obvious road I see the Lakers taking is making a run at Lebron or Durant, but who knows. Daddy's dead, it's the end of an era, and Junior is running the show now.
At first, I thought Dwight was a franchise player but the more I got to thinking what his contributions were, he became exactly what you just said. He's more than good but I can't see his skillset being that of a franchise player especially with the roster the Lakers are offering him now.
At this point, I think the Lakers should start lining up their options because it's not looking good for them. Harden and Parsons are two young players that have game I could only imagine the sales pitch they've been swinging in front of Dwight's face. And they're probably not the only two trying to recruit him.
I truly wish that he makes the right choice because with or without him, I think the Lakers are so fucked for this season, haha.
As July 1 comes up, here's a list of FA's:
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8589693/nba-free-agents-2013-2014
FRpilot
06-24-2013, 12:20 PM
Sterling is a known racist and I'm surprised Doc decided to make a deal with that guy.
Way to make your way up the ladder, Doc.
There’s rumors that Doc got fed up with dealing with Rondo. I’m reading that it got as bad as Rondo saying “fuck” in some ways towards Rivers at one point during the season that it almost led to a fist fight.
Sterling probably spends his days in the office staring bewildered at pictures of Blake Griffin, trying to figure out whether he liked him or not.
But yea, Not only is Donald Sterling a racist, he justifies being cheap as if people would not get paid any other way and considers himself as their savior and they should be grateful that he is paying them at all, demeans and thinks the purpose of women are to serve him as whores, and pretty much considers everyone beneath him.
He’s pretty much a tyrant. I have no idea how anyone could be happy to work for him or why the NBA disregards him for ruining their image has given him a pass for so long, yet want certain owners like the Maloofs out ASAP.
Harden and Parsons are two young players that have game I could only imagine the sales pitch they've been swinging in front of Dwight's face. And they're probably not the only two trying to recruit him.
I think Houston is a great fit for him. Parsons can play SF/PF (depending of Asik plays alongside Dwight or comes off the bench) and shoot 3s from outside, Dwight can play inside, and Harden and Lin can handle the ball. Eventually, they may want to upgrade PG and move Harden to be an ultra versatile swingman.
I don’t mind seeing Dwight on the Clippers with Chris Paul either. Dwight needs any good PG help he can get if they offer Griffin in the sign and trade. Plus, I don’t think you can have 2 athletic freak of natures with no basketball IQ or fundamentals on the same front court. We all saw how well the Blake Griffin/DeAndre Jordan combo did.
http://i.imgur.com/eS0SsaP.gift
:eek3:
SimpleSexy180
06-24-2013, 06:47 PM
Never had an injury during a play in sports,(ok, football TWO times)(tackling hurts me to do). kobe bryant has crunch time with his hands. shane batier runnin away, pharcyde passin me by wth.
acslater9
06-24-2013, 06:50 PM
Wow Paul Millsap AND Al Jefferson's going to be FA's, Well knowing that the Jazz wont let those 2 leave there probably going to stay. You never know though.
Denver Nuggets agree to hire Brian Shaw as head coach, according to sources - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9419087/denver-nuggets-agree-hire-brian-shaw-head-coach-according-sources)
Bout damn time!
http://i.imgur.com/eS0SsaP.gift
:eek3:
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FRpilot
06-25-2013, 10:29 AM
Wow Paul Millsap AND Al Jefferson's going to be FA's, Well knowing that the Jazz wont let those 2 leave there probably going to stay. You never know though.
Before, when Paul Millsap was a promising young player with lots of potential, the Jazz would have never have let him leave. That’s why it took them 7 days to think about it before matching the offer Portland gave him even though they already had Al Jefferson and Mehmet Okur in the front court.
Now that they have both Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap in the frontcourt for a while now and they have been doing just okay, I think they realized they can’t have two hard working, but undersized guys starting at PF and C. They will probably let one of them go.
zooopreme
06-25-2013, 08:42 PM
Huge congrats to Brian Shaw and boo for him not implementing the triangle! It makes sense though, assuming the roster stays the same, the triangle wouldn't fit their identity well.
5 more days, gents (and any ladies reading), real excited to see the moves teams make.
Also, draft night is coming up soon. Since Stern is retiring, is he still going to be the gremlin to say "and the #x pick..."
Also, draft night is coming up soon. Since Stern is retiring, is he still going to be the gremlin to say "and the #x pick..."
Yes, he will. One last booing for good measure is in order.
zooopreme
06-26-2013, 11:09 AM
Sorry if the pic is big:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1052257_10200188857180927_1012580247_o.jpg
Looks like we've resorted to begging and small market pity schemes. Times have been rough for us Laker fans. :T Thoughts?
FRpilot
06-26-2013, 11:23 AM
You are on the money with the small market tactics...
http://media.theonion.com/images/articles/article/17737/lebron_large.jpg
And I can see the same aftermath if D12 leaves:
http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/PJ-AY561_SP_FEA_G_20101228164752.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/07/09/article-1293333-0A5FE753000005DC-675_468x340.jpg
http://counterkicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/nike-lebron-james-2013-mvp-1.jpg
zooopreme
06-27-2013, 10:26 AM
It's come down to this: Los Angeles Lakers not likely to re-sign Dwight Howard, sources say - ESPN Los Angeles (http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/9427945/los-angeles-lakers-not-likely-re-sign-dwight-howard-sources-say) Thoughts?
Firing Mike D'Antoni isn't going to fix this. Hiring Phil won't either. This Laker organization shot itself in the foot and are going to feel it come July 1.
I wish Dwight the best and to hell with this Mike D'Antoni phase. Laker fans acting all naive when they should know it'll be a while until we bounce back.
The Lakers are drowning in a glass of water. The situation is not that dire. They just need to act quickly and swiftly. Do a sign and trade of Howard to Clippers for Blake and changing the coach and they'll be miles ahead of where they are. There are PLENTY of good coaches out there right now. Some moves and some trades, they'll be fine.
FRpilot
06-27-2013, 11:23 AM
It's come down to this: Los Angeles Lakers not likely to re-sign Dwight Howard, sources say - ESPN Los Angeles (http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/9427945/los-angeles-lakers-not-likely-re-sign-dwight-howard-sources-say) Thoughts?
The Lakers are drowning in a glass of water. The situation is not that dire. They just need to act quickly and swiftly. Do a sign and trade of Howard to Clippers for Blake and changing the coach and they'll be miles ahead of where they are.
Sorry for your suffering, but I find the comments of distaste and hated towards D'Antoni from New York and LA fans funny.
LA might be better not signing Howard to a $118M contract. Even if D’Antoni gets fired, he won’t be happy playing in Kobe’s shadow. If I'm the Lakers and Dwight is not signing, I WILL work with the Clippers and do the sign and trade deal for Blake Griffin + bonuses. That's way better than letting him walk and getting nothing unless you think it is more important to sooth your ego because you don't want to help a cross town rival.
According to that ESPN report, Dwight wants a lot of things:
1. Coach who can use his skill set with a system that features him
2. Team that is not uptempo or perimeter orientated
3. Be the star and not play second fiddle to anyone
I think Dwight wants a system that was similar to Shaq’s Lakers in the 2000s. To be THE guy with a good swingman sidekick like Kobe. We all know how that turned out when Kobe was just too good. Dwight is not as good as Shaq even if he thinks so. Good luck finding a swingman sidekick who isn’t better than you. If he goes to Houston, James Harden will be the star and it might turn into another Kobe/Shaq feud.
D12 is not a franchise big man like Tim Duncan and he’s not smart/skilled enough offensively to be a part of a big man tandem that works like Zach Randolph/Marc Gasol. He's an athletic freak of nature with low bball IQ like Blake Griffin/DeAndre Jordan so the best thing for him is to find an unselfish PG to help him be THE GUY.
Dutchmalmiss
06-27-2013, 11:36 AM
Sorry for your suffering, but I find the comments of distaste and hated towards D'Antoni from New York and LA fans funny.
LA might be better not signing Howard to a $118M contract. Even if D’Antoni gets fired, he won’t be happy playing in Kobe’s shadow. If I'm the Lakers and Dwight is not signing, I WILL work with the Clippers and do the sign and trade deal for Blake Griffin + bonuses. That's way better than letting him walk and getting nothing unless you think it is more important to sooth your ego because you don't want to help a cross town rival.
According to that ESPN report, Dwight wants a lot of things:
1. Coach who can use his skill set with a system that features him
2. Team that is not uptempo or perimeter orientated
3. Be the star and not play second fiddle to anyone
I think Dwight wants a system that was similar to Shaq’s Lakers in the 2000s. To be THE guy with a good swingman sidekick like Kobe. We all know how that turned out when Kobe was just too good. Dwight is not as good as Shaq even if he thinks so. Good luck finding a swingman sidekick who isn’t better than you. If he goes to Houston, James Harden will be the star and it might turn into another Kobe/Shaq feud.
D12 is not a franchise big man like Tim Duncan and he’s not smart/skilled enough offensively to be a part of a big man tandem that works like Zach Randolph/Marc Gasol. He's an athletic freak of nature with low bball IQ like Blake Griffin/DeAndre Jordan so the best thing for him is to find an unselfish PG to help him be THE GUY.
Agreed. Just create a deal to land Blake Griffin or Iggy and/or Josh Smith (preferably Smith AT LEAST). Not of a fan of D'Antoni, but I have to admit he deserves a chance with a full summer camp plus season.
Nash, Meeks until Kobe returns, Metta, Griffin/Smith, Pau would IMO be an improvement over last season's squad.
Dwight should at least satisfy the Lakers for holding them hostage like this.
FRpilot
06-27-2013, 01:42 PM
Brooklyn talking to Boston for a KG + PP package. Reports says both sides are pretty serious with this deal and the rumor is KG & PP for Gerald Wallace, Tomike Shengelia??, Kris Humphris' expiring deal!!, and 3!! first round draft picks.
That is a serious offer and I'd take that if I was Boston. 3 first round draft picks for two 36 year olds!? Maybe trade Wallace' contract to a contender for more picks? And if it doesn't work out for Brooklyn, PP $15M comes off next year and KG $12M the year after that. $27M freed up in cap space in 2 years and go after LeBron.
I don't know how KG and PP feels about having Jason Kidd as their coach, who is barely older than them and I don't know if KG would waive his no trade clause but the starting line up looks good enough that he might change his mind:
Deron Williams
Joe Johnson
Paul Pierce
Kevin Garnett
Brook Lopez
Williams and Lopez can take most care of most of the scoring load with the three old guys filling in. KG can "inspire" Lopez how to play defense and use his size correctly like he did with Perkins.
enkei2k
06-27-2013, 03:58 PM
Brooklyn talking to Boston for a KG + PP package. Reports says both sides are pretty serious with this deal and the rumor is KG & PP for Gerald Wallace, Tomike Shengelia??, Kris Humphris' expiring deal!!, and 3!! first round draft picks.
That is a serious offer and I'd take that if I was Boston. 3 first round draft picks for two 36 year olds!? Maybe trade Wallace' contract to a contender for more picks? And if it doesn't work out for Brooklyn, PP $15M comes off next year and KG $12M the year after that. $27M freed up in cap space in 2 years and go after LeBron.
I don't know how KG and PP feels about having Jason Kidd as their coach, who is barely older than them and I don't know if KG would waive his no trade clause but the starting line up looks good enough that he might change his mind:
Deron Williams
Joe Johnson
Paul Pierce
Kevin Garnett
Brook Lopez
Williams and Lopez can take most care of most of the scoring load with the three old guys filling in. KG can "inspire" Lopez how to play defense and use his size correctly like he did with Perkins.
On paper it looks good, but I'd rather Pierce retire a Celtic and play out his contract. Just pick up the 15 mil and let him play out his contract and retire a Celtic. He's a rare commodity in that he's stuck with one franchise for all of his career.
Draft Night tonight...I don't understand why they include the Knicks in the mock drafts anymore. When was the last time they actually went with it? Ex: Iman Shumpert, Renaldo Balkman, etc...
FRpilot
06-27-2013, 03:59 PM
On paper it looks good, but I'd rather Pierce retire a Celtic and play out his contract. Just pick up the 15 mil and let him play out his contract and retire a Celtic. He's a rare commodity in that he's stuck with one franchise for all of his career.
I would like that too, but I don't see that happening. If Ainge can get value for him, he will. Plus, I think Pierce will want to play after next season too.
On paper it looks good, but I'd rather Pierce retire a Celtic and play out his contract. Just pick up the 15 mil and let him play out his contract and retire a Celtic. He's a rare commodity in that he's stuck with one franchise for all of his career.
Draft Night tonight...I don't understand why they include the Knicks in the mock drafts anymore. When was the last time they actually went with it? Ex: Iman Shumpert, Renaldo Balkman, etc...
From everything I've been hearing on sports radio today, it comes down to that KG and Pierce do not want to play for the Celtics now that Doc is gone. Perkins, Allen and Doc are gone. Time to split.
Anyways, there's a bunch of crazy rumors flying around right now as far as moves. This has peeked my interest for tonights Draft. With the CBA and the penalties that loom, teams are going to be making moves to stay within the cap. It seems like ever since the summer of 2010 the amount of moves done during the during the offseason and trade deadline tend to be much bigger. I'm excited! :D
Looking to see where Tim Hardaway Jr. and Shane Larkin go tongiht.
FRpilot
06-27-2013, 06:11 PM
Waiting on draft day deals and blockbusters.
Phlip
06-27-2013, 06:25 PM
This draft is crazy
Twitter makes this draft better, focusing on Woj right now
https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA
I enjoyed this 1st round of the draft oddly enough. :) Stern getting booed and embracing it is lulzy. Love how they ended it with Hakeem, Stern getting cheered, and the deputy getting booed now that he is the new commish. lol.
Also, cherry on top to the night
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 2m
Kevin Garnett will agree to trade to Brooklyn and Celtics are sending KG and Paul Pierce to the Nets, league sources tell Y! Sports.
Will be interesting in the East next season.
zooopreme
06-27-2013, 10:10 PM
As a Laker fan, I'm not an anti-Boston guy but they didn't do so poorly with that KG/PP/JT trade, they got Wallace and Humphries. Not ideal guys but they put up decent numbers. Not bad for a rebuilding team.
Sorry for your suffering, but I find the comments of distaste and hated towards D'Antoni from New York and LA fans funny.
LA might be better not signing Howard to a $118M contract. Even if D’Antoni gets fired, he won’t be happy playing in Kobe’s shadow. If I'm the Lakers and Dwight is not signing, I WILL work with the Clippers and do the sign and trade deal for Blake Griffin + bonuses. That's way better than letting him walk and getting nothing unless you think it is more important to sooth your ego because you don't want to help a cross town rival.
According to that ESPN report, Dwight wants a lot of things:
1. Coach who can use his skill set with a system that features him
2. Team that is not uptempo or perimeter orientated
3. Be the star and not play second fiddle to anyone
I think Dwight wants a system that was similar to Shaq’s Lakers in the 2000s. To be THE guy with a good swingman sidekick like Kobe. We all know how that turned out when Kobe was just too good. Dwight is not as good as Shaq even if he thinks so. Good luck finding a swingman sidekick who isn’t better than you. If he goes to Houston, James Harden will be the star and it might turn into another Kobe/Shaq feud.
D12 is not a franchise big man like Tim Duncan and he’s not smart/skilled enough offensively to be a part of a big man tandem that works like Zach Randolph/Marc Gasol. He's an athletic freak of nature with low bball IQ like Blake Griffin/DeAndre Jordan so the best thing for him is to find an unselfish PG to help him be THE GUY.
You're looking at this all kinds of wrong. The problem with your proposition is that it's not LA's choice. It's Dwight's choice.
Do I care what Dwight wants? No. Players should never dictate choices made if they are not franchise players. Dwight is great but I'd rather not have to deal with him anymore. To me, his indecisiveness and unwillingness to adjust proves that he's a real sore to any franchise if he doesn't get his way.
Hypothetically, what if the Rockets choose to go another direction with their roster for years to come, who's to say that Dwight is going to be okay with that and all of that jazz? I see a huge problem and it's Dwight's lack of adaptability and acceptance.
I'm most upset that Dwight blamed the fans for his distaste. The Lakers are a winning culture and have been throughout the Buss era. Fall anywhere short with sub-par effort and you're going to be criticized. We didn't win 5 NBA championships in the 00's-10's easily.
Under Kobe's shadow? He's playing in the league for another 2 years at MOST. If there's something I wish Dwight looked at it's that Kobe is the epitome of a Native American warrior that he really should mold his emotions and mentality into. Nobody knows what type of player Kobe is going to be like coming off this injury. It's safe to say there won't be much "shadow" to stay under.
Mike D'Antoni is not a good coach. PERIOD. I've seen and studied the sets he runs and they are not effective with the roster they have. With the roster that is projected for next season, the Lakers STILL won't fit D'Antoni's style of offense and most of them SUCK on the defensive end. His lack of adjustability is enough for me to question why the Lakers are still keeping him.
At this point, I think the Lakers need to just stay composed and pick up forwards that can defend and shoot. I could give a shit if Dwight stays or leaves at this point. So assuming he leaves, enough with this point guard bullshit. If Mike D'Antoni is staying, they need to build a team that fits the style of play.
Agreed. Just create a deal to land Blake Griffin or Iggy and/or Josh Smith (preferably Smith AT LEAST). Not of a fan of D'Antoni, but I have to admit he deserves a chance with a full summer camp plus season.
Nash, Meeks until Kobe returns, Metta, Griffin/Smith, Pau would IMO be an improvement over last season's squad.
Dwight should at least satisfy the Lakers for holding them hostage like this.
Again, outrageous and unlikely trade scenarios. The Lakers have damaged goods and not many teams see this roster as an asset to trade their assets with.
acslater9
06-28-2013, 06:26 AM
Did you guys hear in the Draft last night that Dwight Howard is interested in going to the Mavs and the Rockets.
I could understand why he would go to the Rockets but the Mavs?! Really?
Phlip
07-01-2013, 06:15 AM
Now for the "this shit ain't fuckin logical" section of the free agency dealings...
Report: Knicks acquiring Bargnani in trade with Raptors - NBA News | FOX Sports on MSN (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/new-york-knicks-acquire-andre-bargnani-from-toronto-raptors-063013)
Well... this IS the Knickerbockers, who are apparently the most expertly-run organization in the history of the NBA. They'll contend again when "Boom Dizzle" comes back.
Source: Mavericks, Celtics to talk about Rajon Rondo trade (http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/nba/dallas-mavericks/story/Source-Mavericks-Celtics-to-talk-about-R?blockID=916505&feedID=3742)
And we're supposed to believe they're making room for Howard, lmao
acslater9
07-01-2013, 07:04 AM
To add to that "Bargnani deal", Knicks showing interest in Monta Ellis.
Sources: Knicks express interest in Monta Ellis - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-berger/22590559/sources-knicks-express-interest-in-monta-ellis)
enkei2k
07-01-2013, 07:56 AM
Now for the "this shit ain't fuckin logical" section of the free agency dealings...
Report: Knicks acquiring Bargnani in trade with Raptors - NBA News | FOX Sports on MSN (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/new-york-knicks-acquire-andre-bargnani-from-toronto-raptors-063013)
Well... this IS the Knickerbockers, who are apparently the most expertly-run organization in the history of the NBA. They'll contend again when "Boom Dizzle" comes back.
Source: Mavericks, Celtics to talk about Rajon Rondo trade (http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/nba/dallas-mavericks/story/Source-Mavericks-Celtics-to-talk-about-R?blockID=916505&feedID=3742)
And we're supposed to believe they're making room for Howard, lmao
Knicks - what do you expect? I mean, it sort of is a decent deal. Optimistically, Andrea did put up decent numbers a few seasons ago. Got rid of Novak who sucked as soon as he got his contract money and Camby who's going to retire anyway.
Pessimistically, Andrea put up good numbers on a shitty team (like Bosh before him) so it's hard to see how he actually does on a different team and is expensive as hell. And giving up draft picks is never a good idea for the Knicks, but they seem to love doing it.
To add to that "Bargnani deal", Knicks showing interest in Monta Ellis.
Sources: Knicks express interest in Monta Ellis - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-berger/22590559/sources-knicks-express-interest-in-monta-ellis)
Not happening. Ellis gave up way more than the Knicks can afford to pay.
To add to that "Bargnani deal", Knicks showing interest in Monta Ellis.
Sources: Knicks express interest in Monta Ellis - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-berger/22590559/sources-knicks-express-interest-in-monta-ellis)
Bargnani is a nice solid player. The Knicks need to find a way to get rid of Amare. Ellis is worth more than what the Knicks would be able to pay him, it'd be a substantial pay cut. Not a good fit for him.
zooopreme
07-01-2013, 09:51 AM
Bargnani is a nice solid player. The Knicks need to find a way to get rid of Amare. Ellis is worth more than what the Knicks would be able to pay him, it'd be a substantial pay cut. Not a good fit for him.
Bargnani is injury prone and hadn't played a good game for the Raptors since he was drafted (exaggeration but he hasn't been that 1st overall pick difference maker since being drafted)
Assuming Carmelo stays, Ellis is not a good fit. They may have dumped JR and a few other players but that front court's payroll is killing the Knicks.
Honestly, coming into the season, I was afraid that the KNicks finally found the formula to beating the Heat.
Anyway, I hope Dwight stays.
LA has 16 titles, in 31 of the 65 Finals.
The Lakers have missed the playoffs five times since 1948. The Rockets have missed the playoffs EIGHT times since 2000.
Lakers have been to 16 Finals and won 10 titles since 1980. Nearly one Finals appearance every 2 years and a title every 3.
You could possibly be Olajuwon the Dream/the Hall of Famer/2-time champ/camp counselor or Magic Johnson one of the greatest Lakers/the Hall of Famer/ 5-time champ/owner of a historic franchise: The Dodgers.
SimpleS14
07-02-2013, 06:53 PM
Bynum refusing to workout with any team before signing a contract? lol wut? This guy can't be serious....
So here's a question, does any fanbase actually want Howard?
Houston fans?
Dallas fans?
I know there are a few of you in here.
Phlip
07-03-2013, 04:56 PM
So here's a question, does any fanbase actually want Howard?
Houston fans?
Dallas fans?
I know there are a few of you in here.
The most visible of ALL fanbases want him.
The smartest among us, though, know not to want him
theronin
07-03-2013, 04:58 PM
Clippers getting strong, especially behind Rivers.
It's funny, you would think that Dwight Howard was as bad as Eddie Curry. All I hear is how much of a cancer he is and how bad he is. One guy compared him to TO while the other guy said "atleast TO was productive"... I guess 17ppg, 12rpg and 2.4bpg with a bad back= bad player. Howard isn't the cancer that the media has made him out to be, I wish the fan bases would see this. It's funny how guys like JO, Ron Artest and Cptn Jack are seen as good team mates while Dwight is a cancer. Dwight better find a few fans to swing on quick so he can win some fanbases.
Can't wait to see who is going to max out Bynum and his hair while he refuses to workout.
Phlip
07-03-2013, 05:07 PM
It's funny, you would think that Dwight Howard was as bad as Eddie Curry. All I hear is how much of a cancer he is and how bad he is. One guy compared him to TO while the other guy said "atleast TO was productive"... I guess 17ppg, 12rpg and 2.4bpg with a bad back= bad player. Howard isn't the cancer that the media has made him out to be, I wish the fan bases would see this. It's funny how guys like JO, Ron Artest and Cptn Jack are seen as good team mates while Dwight is a cancer. Dwight better find a few fans to swing on quick so he can win some fanbases.
Can't wait to see who is going to max out Bynum and his hair while he refuses to workout.
That is the problem, TO was productive until it was time to pay the fucking piper. As a 49ers fan, I actually AGREE with that assessment. Physically, he is is a one-of-3 in the league right now. Between the ears, he is a low-rung player and doesn't seem to get why he is not any better than he actually is. He understands not the meaning of the word culpability, and his tendency to throw people under the bus is problematic.
Fuck Dwight, let him go
That is the problem, TO was productive until it was time to pay the fucking piper. As a 49ers fan, I actually AGREE with that assessment. Physically, he is is a one-of-3 in the league right now. Between the ears, he is a low-rung player and doesn't seem to get why he is not any better than he actually is. He understands not the meaning of the word culpability, and his tendency to throw people under the bus is problematic.
Fuck Dwight, let him go
True but all these issues get fixed with age and wisdom. His talent cannot be denied and that's the one thing that cannot be taught. All he needs is a Coach that will hold him accountable, obviously D'antoni is not that guy. He has been known to run away from confrontation. Phil Jackson could fix Dwight's short comings and so could Kevin McHale. You give Dwight a Coach that he respects and his attitude changes. As far as the TO comment goes, I don't fully agree. Dwight has been very productive, even this past year while playing hurt. One more thing, Kobe is also one hell of a cancer, the only difference is that Kobe has won rings but a cancer is a cancer.
Phlip
07-03-2013, 06:29 PM
True but all these issues get fixed with age and wisdom. His talent cannot be denied and that's the one thing that cannot be taught. All he needs is a Coach that will hold him accountable, obviously D'antoni is not that guy. He has been known to run away from confrontation. Phil Jackson could fix Dwight's short comings and so could Kevin McHale. You give Dwight a Coach that he respects and his attitude changes. As far as the TO comment goes, I don't fully agree. Dwight has been very productive, even this past year while playing hurt. One more thing, Kobe is also one hell of a cancer, the only difference is that Kobe has won rings but a cancer is a cancer.
How many years, chances and coaches are we giving dude? Dwight wants a system wherein he is the center of attention. Again, as a talent, he has it physically but not mentally. If he did, his footwork in the post and the proper application of the first move - NOT putting the fucking ball below his waist or trying to dribble - would not be so incensingly terrible that I am YELLING at my TV. It has always been his problem, and that is why Shaq keeps shitting on him. Shaq learned the proper moves quickly and applied them. If D12 wants to be mentioned on that level and not "well, he's better than those other bums," then he had damn well better learn to APPLY the shit he is learning in exchange for Hakeem's fee.
I would bother with the Kobe comment if his approach didn't produce tangible results when employed and "told you so" when ignored.
How many years, chances and coaches are we giving dude? Dwight wants a system wherein he is the center of attention.
Exactly, he actually had a coach that was not a pushover and told him what the fuck he needed to do, Stan Van Gundy. A coach who is a product of the Pat Riley school of thought. That's when Dwight played his best.
Phlip
07-04-2013, 08:34 AM
Ex-MTV VJ says MJ tried to bed her - NBA News | FOX Sports on MSN (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/ex-mtv-vj-kennedy-says-michael-jordan-tried-to-bed-her-070213)
Nope, not surprised
Ex-MTV VJ says MJ tried to bed her - NBA News | FOX Sports on MSN (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/ex-mtv-vj-kennedy-says-michael-jordan-tried-to-bed-her-070213)
Nope, not surprised
Geez, women can be such attention whores. She's living in the past, why even bring it up and publicize it? Not to mention writing a book about her life as if she is worth the paper its being printed on.
FRpilot
07-04-2013, 10:25 PM
so what the hell are the Pelicans thinking with their logjam at PG and SG?
Greivis Vasquez
Eric Gordon
Tyreke Evans
Jrue Holiday
Austin Rivers
Ship everyone out and keep the newcomers? Jrue Holiday and Tyreke Evans backcourt?
FRpilot
07-04-2013, 10:29 PM
Al Jefferson to the Bobcats! Maybe that makes up for the draft. (Maybe not) lol
o1sqoxXAr7Y
Phlip
07-05-2013, 07:06 AM
so what the hell are the Pelicans thinking with their logjam at PG and SG?
Greivis Vasquez
Eric Gordon
Tyreke Evans
Jrue Holiday
Austin Rivers
Ship everyone out and keep the newcomers? Jrue Holiday and Tyreke Evans backcourt?
Eric Gordon is as good as gone, it is obvious that he never wanted to be there.
Teddy Bruckshot
07-05-2013, 07:40 AM
Any thoughts on Josh Smith and where he will end up as a free agent? I wonder if he will really follow Howard to Houston or just end up in Detroit.
Phlip
07-05-2013, 07:56 AM
I am of the opinion that for Houston to afford Josh Smith AND Dwight Howard, all while still employing James Harden and Jeremy Lin – and their contracts – the team will be damned by their lack of a bench. It would be the Houston Lakers, lmao.
The beauty of this Dwight Howard situation is that he has openly said that he wanted to do this without coming off as a total dickcheese about it, but from how he left Orlando and now to how noncommittal he has been with the Lakers and on to how he is carrying the next handover, he is being EXACTLY that.
Shit, he might as well g’head and do like The People’s Hairline did and have a “Decision” special on ESPN tonight, then they could do a split screen as he cries while NO ONE burns his jersey or even acts like they give a fuck.
FRpilot
07-05-2013, 02:03 PM
Eric Gordon is as good as gone, it is obvious that he never wanted to be there.
Looks like they are working a sign and trade with Evans now.
Sacramento -> Vasquez, 2 future draft picks
New Orleans -> Evans, Withey
Portland -> R. Lopez, Harris
I read if Gordon isn't moved, Evans will be backing up the guards, but I don't see NO holding Gordon hostage any longer if he doesn't want to stay. Terrible trade for NO. I think they could package Vasquez with Ryan Anderson to get some frontcourt help if Evans is going to sign with them anyway.
FRpilot
07-05-2013, 02:11 PM
Any thoughts on Josh Smith and where he will end up as a free agent? I wonder if he will really follow Howard to Houston or just end up in Detroit.
I hear Detroit's plans are to give Josh Smith and huge contract and resign Calderon. Then they will run with Jose Calderon, Brandon Knight, fill-in SF, Josh Smith, and Greg Monroe.
I think Josh Smith probably fits better in Detroit and Greg Monroe who can pass than another front court guy who is mainly an inside presence (not that it didn't work well with Horford). Josh Smith is better off using his athleticism and size than playing 10-15 feet away from the basket and taking jumpers like he had to do with Horford. Same reasoning goes with why I don't think a Howard/Smith frontcourt will work that well.
FRpilot
07-05-2013, 02:35 PM
I am of the opinion that for Houston to afford Josh Smith AND Dwight Howard, all while still employing James Harden and Jeremy Lin – and their contracts – the team will be damned by their lack of a bench. It would be the Houston Lakers, lmao.
It's funny that I see an equal amount of outcry from LA, Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, and GS fans (Howard's potential destinations) not wanting him with those who welcome him. I am in that boat...
Last night, I heard GS management is planning to clear capspace because they think they can sign Howard. GS is willing to give Boguts expiring $14M, either Barnes or Thompson, and other concessions (draft picks?) in a sign and trade for Howard. (probably a longshot anyways since GS is last of the 5 teams he wants to join and no way LA goes for that if they won't sign and trade him to the Clippers, imo).
Trading away Thompson would defeat the purpose of D12's inside presence with good 3pt shooting. I rather trade Barnes, but I don't want to since we're not going to find a guy like Kawhi Leonard or Paul George to replace him at SF.
The only way I would go after Howard is if we can get Igoudala to replace Barnes, bring some bench guys back, and go for the title BUT I'm not sure if this team can win it all.
Stephen Curry
Klay Thompson
Andre Igoudala
David Lee
Dwight Howard
Jarrett Jack (if resigned)
Carl Landry (if resigned)
Brandon Rush
Festus Ezeli
Draymond Green
The good thing is Bogut's $14M, Richard Jefferson's $11M, and Biedrins' $9M come off the books after this season and we are only on the hook for Curry and Lee's contracts, Thompson and Barne's rookie contracts, plus others at $25M. Got like $50M to spend next season.
FRpilot
07-05-2013, 02:44 PM
WTF!! I just finished writing that shit and the Warriors actually go after Igoudala!? What the hell are we going to do with Igoudala.. There goes all our spending money... I much rather develop Barnes than have Igoudala at $12M/yr.
If Warriors don't go after Josh Smith and Dwight Howard, this signing is probably wasted and GS probably gave Howard to Houston with this move.
Only have Bogut, Lee, and draft picks to offer. Hope they don't get rid of Thompson, but they might have to and/or package Barnes with some of that. I'm thinking the Lakers will ask for all of that. HAHA
FRpilot
07-05-2013, 03:34 PM
Looks like Dallas out is out the D12 sweepstakes.
Mavericks out of Dwight Howard sweepstakes - Dallas Mavericks Blog - ESPN Dallas (http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mavericks/post/_/id/4696818/mavericks-out-of-dwight-howard-sweepstakes)
After digesting this for an hour, I feel that GS still might be a possibility for Howard in one way or another depending if a S&T can get done. I mean, what the alternative to playing with Curry, Igoudala, Thompson/Barnes? Going to TX to avoid paying tate tax and hanging with Harden at strip clubs?
ZenkiKid
07-05-2013, 05:34 PM
I hope the Lakers go after Chris Kaman or Pekovic now.
Goofs
07-05-2013, 06:38 PM
Hypothetically, Bynum can go to the Lakers right?
zooopreme
07-05-2013, 07:47 PM
Hypothetically, Bynum can go to the Lakers right?
Lol yes, but that's highly unlikely to occur.
And I'm curious about this meeting that will occur between Mitch and Dwight tonight. I think he's going to turn in his practice gear lmao, but if it's a legit last chance meeting, we shall see.
As much as I want D'Antoni gone, I don't want Dwight thinking he can steam roll over the front office so if this meeting is a last effort attempt to get D'Antoni fired, fuck that.
Dwight and Smith is going to be interesting (if it happens). I'm on the side that says it's going to come up short for the Rockets. I don't see how their games can coexist with each other and neither one are intelligent bball players.
And as for Iggy, if I'm a Warrior fan, I wouldn't be excited about it. They basically dumped a huge contract on a player who is a provider more than anything. I think Barnes slides to the 4 because of this. Hope he does well.
I was hoping the Lakers would do a S&T for Klay, Bogut, Barnes, and a pick for Dwight but obviously, it didn't work out that way.
zooopreme
07-05-2013, 09:05 PM
Scratch all of that, Dwight is signing with Houston, period.
zooopreme
07-05-2013, 09:28 PM
And before I head out, Kobe's response: Photo by kobebryant • Instagram (http://instagram.com/p/baJkWqxNiO/#)
Phlip
07-05-2013, 09:47 PM
This has been YEARS coming...
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/942127_10201338512962423_122322938_n.jpg
Dwight ACTUALLY cooked up this scheme to come to the Lakers, tank a season and then leave them worse off than when he arrived.
(fun fact: I OWN those shoes too, I think I will wear them Sunday)
FRpilot
07-05-2013, 09:48 PM
Dwight and Smith is going to be interesting (if it happens). I'm on the side that says it's going to come up short for the Rockets. I don't see how their games can coexist with each other and neither one are intelligent bball players.
And as for Iggy, if I'm a Warrior fan, I wouldn't be excited about it. They basically dumped a huge contract on a player who is a provider more than anything. I think Barnes slides to the 4 because of this. Hope he does well.
I was hoping the Lakers would do a S&T for Klay, Bogut, Barnes, and a pick for Dwight but obviously, it didn't work out that way.
Out of the other free agent stars this summer (other than Chris Paul), I think Dwight would have worked better with Igoudala than Smith. A few hours ago, I didn't like the GS' signing of Igoudala, but at the end of the day I'm warming up to it since we didn't get Dwight Howard either. It is an upgrade at SF after all.
The reason I didn't like it was because I felt GS put all their eggs in one basket and dumped $24M along with their 2014 and 2017 first rounders in "hopes" of getting Howard. These contracts were expiring anyways and 2 first rounders!! I guess getting Iggy is better than getting nothing. LBJ sure as hell ain't coming here. What good is cap space if no one wants to take your money. (haha Mark Cuban)
Now I'm hoping for an upgrade at Center. I hope for Cousins or Horford but realistically I wouldn't mind someone like Asik.
its looking bleak for the lakers..
FRpilot
07-05-2013, 11:52 PM
I'd like to see Kobe stay and play out his career with the Lakers... but if the Lakers don't get any talent quick, idk if it's fair for Kobe to stay, but first things first, let's if Kobe can even come back and play at the level he was playing at before injury.
oh btw, cheer up lakers fans.. it could be worse. you could be the Denver Nugguts.. Denver just lost the Coach of the yr, GM of the yr and their best player this offseason...
zooopreme
07-06-2013, 09:08 AM
its looking bleak for the lakers..
I completely agree. I don't think the Lakers are going to purposely tank for draft picks but it's looking that way with the lack of acquiring talent and letting some go.
If I were the Lakers, I would have picked up Paul Milsap as their energy guy and a bully on the boards. But no...ATL picked him up.
Unfortunately, I don't have much faith in the front office and it's shown throughout my posts. Maybe 2014 will bring Lebron but I DOUBT that'll happen.
I believe the LAL destination luster has been thrown to the ground after Dwight decided to leave. And not even cap space is going to make them look appealing.
I'd like to see Kobe stay and play out his career with the Lakers... but if the Lakers don't get any talent quick, idk if it's fair for Kobe to stay, but first things first, let's if Kobe can even come back and play at the level he was playing at before injury.
oh btw, cheer up lakers fans.. it could be worse. you could be the Denver Nugguts.. Denver just lost the Coach of the yr, GM of the yr and their best player this offseason...
Denver is headed into a new direction and have tried to lighten their payroll. Igoudala wanted to play there but they did not offer him the money he sought for. I don't think they're worse than the Lakers. The Lakers have this messed up identity and a roster that is looking like Uncle Drew and his boys.
Iggy in GS is real lukewarm to me. He's not really an upgrade in my eyes from Barnes. As good as he is, I see him sacrificing a lot of his game as a secondary ball handler who can create his own shot, I'm not sure how well Iggy will adjust to them but we shall see, I could be wrong.
FRpilot
07-06-2013, 11:40 AM
I believe the LAL destination luster has been thrown to the ground after Dwight decided to leave. And not even cap space is going to make them look appealing.
Nah, it's still LA. It beats playing in Milwaukee or Minnesota.
I think free agents would still consider LA after the Kobe era again when they start fresh. Someone like LBJ isn't going to go there to play with Kobe, but he might sign on if they cleared enough capspace to sign another stud or two along with him, like what happened with Miami.
Denver is headed into a new direction and have tried to lighten their payroll. Igoudala wanted to play there but they did not offer him the money he sought for. I don't think they're worse than the Lakers. The Lakers have this messed up identity and a roster that is looking like Uncle Drew and his boys.
Iggy WAS offered the money in Denver. I read they offered him $52M, but they weren't willing to match the Kings offer of $56M (avg 14M/yr). He said he wanted to think about joining a rebuilding project and when the Kings heard that they pretty much said "You don't want to take our money, FINE! it's off the table."
Then he somehow landed into GS lap at $48M ($12M/yr), which is much more reasonable imo.
Iggy in GS is real lukewarm to me. He's not really an upgrade in my eyes from Barnes. As good as he is, I see him sacrificing a lot of his game as a secondary ball handler who can create his own shot, I'm not sure how well Iggy will adjust to them but we shall see, I could be wrong.
Iggy is a great two way player and a great perimeter defender (All-NBA 2nd team) 2 years ago, can finish well, handle the ball, good athleticism, and pretty much an all around good role player. He's just can't handle being THE guy as seen in Philadelphia.
Barnes is good, but he's still young. He can probably become Igoudala or better in time. The Warriors pretty much had NO ball handler when Curry went out besides Jarrett Jack (that's why he got so many minutes), but with Iggy signing on it looks like Jack is gone (he posted something on twitter yesterday like "well, it's been fun"). So I think Iggy will be handling the ball quite a bit, especially when Curry takes a rest.
The only thing I don't see matching well is Iggy is 29 and in his prime. Everyone else is pretty much way younger than him except Bogut and Lee. Need to use him while he still has something left.
FRpilot
07-06-2013, 11:42 AM
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A few hours ago, I didn't like the GS' signing of Igoudala, but at the end of the day I'm warming up to it since we didn't get Dwight Howard either. It is an upgrade at SF after all.
This is the most pathetic unenthusiastic post I've read. Are you kidding me? Iggy is a legit defender and he can score! They didn't pick him for the Olympic team because he's a scrub. He's a Gold Medalist, he knows what it takes. With Curry you should be fine. Curry is going to develop to be THE MAN on GS anyways.
I completely agree. I don't think the Lakers are going to purposely tank for draft picks but it's looking that way with the lack of acquiring talent and letting some go.
The Lakers could tank. I mean they kept D'Antoni. They can just tell Kobe to take a year off. They have so much money coming off the books after next season. Also, no way the Lakers lost their appeal in the NBA. Maybe for people with short term memory, but it takes a lot to erase those championships. They've gone through these rough spots in each of the past few decades before and have come back.
In other news
Detroit Pistons give Josh Smith 4 years, $56M, sources say - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9454803/detroit-pistons-give-josh-smith-4-years-56m-sources-say)
LMFAO
FRpilot
07-07-2013, 12:24 AM
This is the most pathetic unenthusiastic post I've read. Are you kidding me? Iggy is a legit defender and he can score! They didn't pick him for the Olympic team because he's a scrub. He's a Gold Medalist, he knows what it takes. With Curry you should be fine. Curry is going to develop to be THE MAN on GS anyways.
It takes a lot more to get me excited. Iggy is not a scrub. Will he make a difference? Yes.. A huge difference? No... because we still have an injury prone center in Bogut and Lee who can't defend. Now if we can upgrade the frontcourt, then I will be happy. With Iggy, GS probably stays as a solid 4-6 seed team. Houston just leapfrogged them and I still see OKC, SA, LAC, and maybe even MEM (their front court will eat ours alive) as being better teams.
David Lee is good, but even GS management is looking into trading him for someone who can defend better and maybe a slightly smaller contract. I just don't see anyone out there who is good enough to outweigh all the things Lee brings to the table (scoring, jump shooting, high basketball IQ, ability to play the pick and roll, rebounds, hustle, etc.) so we will probably keep him. GS isn't going to trade Lee just to trade Lee.
In other news
Detroit Pistons give Josh Smith 4 years, $56M, sources say - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9454803/detroit-pistons-give-josh-smith-4-years-56m-sources-say)
LMFAO
Josh Smith might do okay with Monroe, but he should probably play with someone a little tougher inside. And there's no Calderon to handle the ball and give him easy lobs.
btw, I like Mark Cuban's strategy.
Plan A) Dwight Howard
Plan B) Jose Calderon
tricky_ab
07-07-2013, 07:26 AM
I'm late to the party, but I'm loving the fact that the Raptors got three picks for Bargnani (See you later!)
Amazing article from Woj:
Rockets give Dwight Howard what Lakers, Kobe wouldn't: unconditional love (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--rockets-give-dwight-howard-what-lakers--kobe-wouldn-t--unconditional-love-061137592.html)
No restraints, no mercy, no holding back. Kobe Bryant had climbed into Howard in a way that was startling, sobering, a moment of penetrating and unpleasant truths.
"Kobe talked to Dwight in a way that I don't think anyone one had ever talked to him – not in Orlando, not here, not in his life, I'm betting," one witness in the room told Yahoo! Sports. "He's been coddled, and Kobe wasn't going to coddle him."
Every executive and coach who has ever worked with Howard will tell you: He needs to be the face of the franchise and he needs unconditional love. Those weren't immediately available to him with the Lakers, and they'll be showered upon him in Houston now.
The Lakers could tank. I mean they kept D'Antoni. They can just tell Kobe to take a year off. They have so much money coming off the books after next season. Also, no way the Lakers lost their appeal in the NBA. Maybe for people with short term memory, but it takes a lot to erase those championships. They've gone through these rough spots in each of the past few decades before and have come back.
There are a few things wrong with this. Yes the Lakers just came out of a decade that they won 5 Championships and were arguably the best run franchise in the NBA. But Jim Buss wasn't the leader of the franchise at the time. His father Dr. Buss was... Dr.Buss was one of the most well liked and respected NBA owners in history. They also had Phil Jackson managing Kobe and the roster instead of Mike "NBA2k easy mode" D'antoni. Kobe was in his prime which helped everyone forget how much of a cancer he was. People look at the Lakers today and see a franchise far removed from the days of a strong foundation. The problem begins with the ownership. No one trusts Jim and EVERYONE agrees that Jeanie should be running the show. Because of this, super stars will be turned off by the Lakers, no matter how much cap they have.
FRpilot
07-07-2013, 12:48 PM
To add. I think almost everyone can agree that when Jerry Buss died the Lakers went with him... but I don't see how the allure of LA or any other big city can be smaller than a city like Milwaukee, Minnesota, or Detriot. If both Milwaukee and LA was offering you a $100M contract, where would you go considering both teams are rebuilding?
Look at the Clippers. They've sucked for their almost entire existence, but Kobe was considering it at one point. Baron Davis spurned the Warriors and went there. CP3 listed it as a place he wanted to be traded to. These examples are before the Clipper bandwagon days.
At worst, I think LA Lakers might be how GS was for decades where even if we had capspace, no one wanted to take our money. We couldn't lure Elton Brand or Gilbert Arenas with $80M or $100M offers. That changed with new ownership and I think guys are open to the idea to coming here now. Unfortunately, unlike the Warriors, the Lakers situation is the opposite in that they changed from good ownership to bad.
Phlip
07-07-2013, 07:47 PM
If the season started tomorrow, the Charlotte Bobcats might be left with starting Kemba Walker and Ben Gordon...
Knowing what I know about those individuals due to what they share in their makeup with me, I figured the Boobcats could use one of those lame-ass promotions in the arena and call their starting back court "Shottas."
... sadly, only one participant in this thread might catch that reference.
There are a few things wrong with this. Yes the Lakers just came out of a decade that they won 5 Championships and were arguably the best run franchise in the NBA. But Jim Buss wasn't the leader of the franchise at the time. His father Dr. Buss was... Dr.Buss was one of the most well liked and respected NBA owners in history. They also had Phil Jackson managing Kobe and the roster instead of Mike "NBA2k easy mode" D'antoni. Kobe was in his prime which helped everyone forget how much of a cancer he was. People look at the Lakers today and see a franchise far removed from the days of a strong foundation. The problem begins with the ownership. No one trusts Jim and EVERYONE agrees that Jeanie should be running the show. Because of this, super stars will be turned off by the Lakers, no matter how much cap they have.
Please, maybe their immediate appeal. But their reputation and legacy is intact.
In other news
Omer Asik wants trade in wake of Dwight Howard add; Houston Rockets say no - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9456945/omer-asik-wants-trade-wake-dwight-howard-add-houston-rockets-say-no)
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Dutchmalmiss
07-08-2013, 02:46 PM
Kaman is now a Laker. At least the team's FT% is up haha.
zooopreme
07-08-2013, 02:59 PM
Kaman is now a Laker. At least the team's FT% is up haha.
It went up as soon as Dwight left, man hahaha
Anyway, I'm not excited about Kaman but I'm accepting all the help the Lakers are going to get this coming season.
I know it's a long shot but I've been hearing rumors about a possible Lamar Odom return to the Lakers. I think that would be a good pick up if he could get over what happened in the failed CP3 trade.
Dutchmalmiss
07-08-2013, 03:04 PM
It went up as soon as Dwight left, man hahaha
Anyway, I'm not excited about Kaman but I'm accepting all the help the Lakers are going to get this coming season.
I know it's a long shot but I've been hearing rumors about a possible Lamar Odom return to the Lakers. I think that would be a good pick up if he could get over what happened in the failed CP3 trade.
Barring injuries (haha) Kaman is a decent big man if his minutes are well-regulated (haha again). Odom started to get back into shape late last-season so I'd welcome his return. Question would be if his mind would still be in the gutter.
FRpilot
07-08-2013, 03:57 PM
In other news
Omer Asik wants trade in wake of Dwight Howard add; Houston Rockets say no - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9456945/omer-asik-wants-trade-wake-dwight-howard-add-houston-rockets-say-no)
Asik has been demanding a trade since Howard decided to sign with Houston. I would too if I lost my starting job. The Rockets are hoping they can start together and form a mini-Twin Towers or Asik can play major minutes off the bench, but that's kind of wasting his talents imo.
He's a bargain at $8M/year and a legit center. There's rumors NO is interested in swapping Ryan Anderson for Asik, which I think is great for both teams. Anderson had a career year with Dwight in Orlando.
Barring injuries (haha) Kaman is a decent big man if his minutes are well-regulated (haha again).
I thought he just wanted motivated in New Orleans and was optimistic that he would recover in Dallas with a change of scenery, but after seeing him play last season he's just a shell of his former All-Star self. Injuries really did him in. Good back up center for 20 mins a game though.
enkei2k
07-08-2013, 06:25 PM
Lakers will amnesty MWP...?
I always thought that Pau would be the one amnestied...guess LAL need to keep the big guy around with no D12 now.
Phlip
07-08-2013, 07:23 PM
Lakers will amnesty MWP...?
I always thought that Pau would be the one amnestied...guess LAL need to keep the big guy around with no D12 now.
Pau has trade value, Artest had none
Phlip
07-09-2013, 10:35 AM
Cavaliers make an offer to Andrew Bynum...
2014-15 Cleveland Cavaliers starters:
PG: Kyrie Irving
SG: Dion Waiters
SF: LeBron James
PF: Anderson Terwilliger
C: Andrew Bynum
LeBron will make good on his promise to bring a title to Cleveland.
Cavaliers make an offer to Andrew Bynum...
2014-15 Cleveland Cavaliers starters:
PG: Kyrie Irving
SG: Dion Waiters
SF: LeBron James
PF: Anderson Terwilliger
C: Andrew Bynum
LeBron will make good on his promise to bring a title to Cleveland.
Is Dan Gilbert the owner and Mike Brown the coach in this scenario? Yeah, fat chance.
Phlip
07-09-2013, 01:17 PM
Is Dan Gilbert the owner and Mike Brown the coach in this scenario? Yeah, fat chance.
Didn't your parents teach you about feeding the trolls?
Now you have given me the rise I was aiming for.
If anyone in this thread knows that Cleveland as a sporting city is destined to fail it's me, because I look at and understand these things.
FRpilot
07-09-2013, 01:36 PM
One of best point guard ever is thinking comeback.
I'm sure Chris Paul is getting nervous.
Former Warrior hints at NBA comeback (http://www.csnbayarea.com/warriors/former-warrior-baron-davis-hints-nba-comeback)
Didn't your parents teach you about feeding the trolls?
Now you have given me the rise I was aiming for.
If anyone in this thread knows that Cleveland as a sporting city is destined to fail it's me, because I look at and understand these things.
The Lakers make more sense than the Cavs, which is the new narrative I'm hearing.
See I can play. lol
Phlip
07-09-2013, 02:48 PM
The Lakers make more sense than the Cavs, which is the new narrative I'm hearing.
See I can play. lol
You CAN play, and LA is where the money will be when the time comes with expiring contracts.
But, Dr Buss is not coming through that door until the Zombie Apocalypse.
The Lakers will not be better than a 7th seed until they Amnesty Jim Buss.
Unless, of course, they bring in the best PG in the history of ever and Max Deal "Boom Dizzle" as named above.
Teddy Bruckshot
07-09-2013, 03:53 PM
If the season started tomorrow, the Charlotte Bobcats might be left with starting Kemba Walker and Ben Gordon...
Knowing what I know about those individuals due to what they share in their makeup with me, I figured the Boobcats could use one of those lame-ass promotions in the arena and call their starting back court "Shottas."
... sadly, only one participant in this thread might catch that reference.
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Teddy Bruckshot
07-09-2013, 04:00 PM
I loved boom in his prime. Sadly his health has deteriorated like so many before and after him.
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Phlip
07-09-2013, 04:50 PM
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Phlip
07-10-2013, 05:04 AM
Lakers rumored to be in talks with Jordan Farmar and Sasha Vujačić...
Um, I don't know how I feel about this coming season. Can I have football now?
zooopreme
07-10-2013, 11:07 AM
Lakers rumored to be in talks with Jordan Farmar and Sasha Vujačić...
Um, I don't know how I feel about this coming season. Can I have football now?
They got Farmar and it's likely that Lamar may sign with us if the Clips snag Jamison. The Lakers are looking for short term players and it's just a coincidence that players from that 09-10 teams are free and able to play for whichever team.
At this point, I'll take what we can get. It's clear that Plan B is 2014.
acslater9
07-10-2013, 12:32 PM
Lakers rumored to be in talks with Jordan Farmar and Sasha Vujačić...
Um, I don't know how I feel about this coming season. Can I have football now?
Sasha Vujacic was part of the championship run they had!
Phlip
07-10-2013, 01:10 PM
Sasha Vujacic was part of the championship run they had!
2.3ppg regular season and 3ppg in the playoffs. One TOTAL game started, regular season and playoffs, less than half an assist per game. I contributed about as much to those championships as he did.
Goofs
07-10-2013, 01:53 PM
2.3ppg regular season and 3ppg in the playoffs. One TOTAL game started, regular season and playoffs, less than half an assist per game. I contributed about as much to those championships as he did.
Plus he's JR Smith's bitch, as proven by countless highlights
FRpilot
07-10-2013, 03:01 PM
Lakers rumored to be in talks with Jordan Farmar and Sasha Vujačić...
They got Farmar and it's likely that Lamar may sign with us if the Clips snag Jamison. The Lakers are looking for short term players and it's just a coincidence that players from that 09-10 teams are free and able to play for whichever team.
They should bring back Bynum, Fisher, and Shannon Brown too!
Championship team!
2.3ppg regular season and 3ppg in the playoffs. One TOTAL game started, regular season and playoffs, less than half an assist per game. I contributed about as much to those championships as he did.
Yea but he brought a lot of toughness to the team. I remember him acting tough and not backing down to anyone. It was pretty hilarious actually. :rofl:
Dutchmalmiss
07-10-2013, 03:06 PM
Yea but he brought a lot of toughness to the team. I remember him acting tough and not backing down to anyone. It was pretty hilarious actually. :rofl:
Yeah his annoying defense actually threw off many of the people he guarded, which is something stats can't define unfortunately.
I wouldn't want Bynum back, I'd favor an Odom return out of all the ex-Lakers to be considered.
Teddy Bruckshot
07-10-2013, 03:09 PM
They should bring back Bynum, Fisher, and Shannon Brown too!
Championship team!
Yea but he brought a lot of toughness to the team. I remember him acting tough and not backing down to anyone. It was pretty hilarious actually. :rofl:
He reminded me of less effective Bruce Bowen. Less defense and points but annoying as hell for the opposing players. They might as well bring back Smush Parker at this point! Kobe would love a reunion.
FRpilot
07-10-2013, 03:30 PM
Yeah his annoying defense actually threw off many of the people he guarded, which is something stats can't define unfortunately.
He reminded me of less effective Bruce Bowen. Less defense and points but annoying as hell for the opposing players. They might as well bring back Smush Parker at this point! Kobe would love a reunion.
I guess you can call it defense, but I'll say this: he's probably tougher than Garnett acting like a fake tough guy. No one expected a skinny guy who was constantly brushing his long girly hair behind ears with his hands to act so mean and hit threes.
I wouldn't want Bynum back, I'd favor an Odom return out of all the ex-Lakers to be considered.
Odom was really butthurt from almost being traded, but his wife might make him stay in LA.
FRpilot
07-11-2013, 12:04 AM
Bynum officially off the market.
Let's see if he actually decides to play this season. I think he has to because if he doesn't, NO ONE will offer him a contract in 2 years. He should learn from Bogut and make a career out of playing every other year.
acslater9
07-11-2013, 09:07 AM
Don't know If you guys know this but the Bulls parted ways with Rip Hamilton, which is a good thing as a fan of the Bulls.
And this shocked me that Mike Dunleavy is now a Bull. :picardfp:
Anyone know If he's good I've heard about him and know he went to Duke but don't know If he's productive.
Goofs
07-11-2013, 09:14 AM
Don't know If you guys know this but the Bulls parted ways with Rip Hamilton, which is a good thing as a fan of the Bulls.
And this shocked me that Mike Dunleavy is now a Bull. :picardfp:
Anyone know If he's good I've heard about him and know he went to Duke but don't know If he's productive.
Eh he's the type of player that Thib wants on the team. He will play D and he won't cause any problems in the locker room.
This getting these players that are role players at best in the off season is one of the reasons I am not a fan of the bulls, and also one of the reasons the bulls won t win a championship anytime soon.
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acslater9
07-11-2013, 09:18 AM
Eh he's the type of player that Thib wants on the team. He will play D and he won't cause any problems in the locker room.
This getting these players that are role players at best in the off season is one of the reasons I am not a fan of the bulls, and also one of the reasons the bulls won t win a championship anytime soon.
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You're right, In order to win a championship the Bulls need another person that can help Rose score.
I've always told people that Boozer is a bum and does not play good when Derrick Rose is on the floor. Take him out and add someone else, and also I think Taj is would be a great replacement.
Phlip
07-11-2013, 10:17 AM
I've always told people that Boozer is a bum and does not play good when Derrick Rose is on the floor. Take him out and add someone else, and also I think Taj is would be a great replacement.
You know when ELSE Boozer doesn't play very well?
When he has to defend someone as good as he as billed as being
When he has to score against someone as good as he is billed as being
When it is time to perform like someone in his pay scale
Pretty much any time he is on the court
Boozer is a shitty human being for what he did to Gordon Gund when he left Cleveland.
FRpilot
07-11-2013, 12:38 PM
And this shocked me that Mike Dunleavy is now a Bull. :picardfp:
Anyone know If he's good I've heard about him and know he went to Duke but don't know If he's productive.
In Golden State, he was known as Dungina for his lack enthusiasm, inability to perform under pressure, and overall disappointment for failing to fill the potential of a #3 pick (hey, we were suppose to get Yao Ming so we had the right to place high expectations on him like an Asian dad and our disappointment with him is justified).
Still, GS extended him because management felt he just needed more time but he continued to suck. He would fool us into thinking he was coming along with 2-3 good games, but that was followed by 10 bad ones. Eventually, GS traded him to Indiana and he somehow became good, but that only lasted for 1 1/2 years. He started getting injury prone and is regulated to being a role player.
He's a coach's son so he has high bball IQ along with decent size and the ability to hit mid-range jumpers and threes and he can dunk, but he's unable to use all those abilities together to be a really good player. I think he's better suited coming off the bench because he seems to crack under pressure and the expectations of being a starting SF is just too much for him to handle.
THE PROPHET
07-11-2013, 03:43 PM
Nick Young to the lakers
Phlip
07-11-2013, 04:44 PM
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FRpilot
07-11-2013, 06:04 PM
Nick Young to the lakers
Kobe's replacement for the time being.
revat619
07-11-2013, 06:56 PM
Kobe's replacement for the time being.
Anything to keep Jodie Meeks' sorry ass from having those minutes, i'm ok with.
I'd say given the situation, Nick Young is a solid pick up.
FRpilot
07-11-2013, 07:08 PM
MWP amnesited.
Is Miami or San Antonio going to pick him up?
revat619
07-11-2013, 07:22 PM
If he clears waivers then he's available to those teams. Right now he'd be going to a lottery team/team under the cap.
Personally i wouldn't have done it. Even with the tax bill, Lakers still stand to profit well over 80 million just from the Time Warner cable deal. So that tax, while hefty, really doesn't matter. They have no other small forward on the roster and after this year everybody is off the books anyway and they wont get hit with the repeat offender tax penalty.
The Lakers biggest problem is defense and they just got rid of one of two people that actually played D last year.....AND Kobe is still side lined....AND D'antoni is still the coach. Jim Bush is a fucking tool. Just let Jeanie, Mitch and Phil (not even as a coach) run the show and keep Dr. Buss's legacy alive.
MWP amnesited.
Is Miami or San Antonio going to pick him up?
If he isn't picked up I doubt Miami takes him. No real need for a defensive wing when you have Shane and Lebron. Plus I seriously doubt that he would be cool with being on the "Rashard Lewis plan". SA doesn't really need him either. Ron's days of being a lock down defender are far gone. Maybe Dallas will pick him up, they need all the help they can get.
FRpilot
07-12-2013, 10:43 AM
Scottie Pippen sued for $4M over Malibu fight (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/pippen-sued-over-alleged-attack-043019851--nba.html)
What a fool. This guy thinks his injuries are worth $4M? Not sure if Pippen even has that much money left. haha
I guess some people are commenting that this story left out the part where this guy was intoxicated, used racial slurs toward Pippen, spit on Pippen's face, and tried to hit Pippen's daughter.
I really hope Pippen is able to counter sue.
I met Scottie Pippen this past March on a flight back from Chicago. He's the nicest guy! He's seen frequently around Ft. Lauderdale dining and is cool to everyone that comes up to him. That guy suing him isnt getting shit, I find it hard to believe that bums story
enkei2k
07-13-2013, 08:32 AM
NBA's Baron Davis: I was 'abducted by aliens' in desert two weeks ago - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/baron-davis-abducted-aliens-article-1.1397660)
so...yeah...Boom Dizzle got :ssex: by aliens
:tinhat: :tinhat: :tinhat: :tinhat: :tinhat:
Phlip
07-13-2013, 12:11 PM
I met Scottie Pippen this past March on a flight back from Chicago. He's the nicest guy! He's seen frequently around Ft. Lauderdale dining and is cool to everyone that comes up to him. That guy suing him isnt getting shit, I find it hard to believe that bums story
Yeah, I have always heard that Scottie was a lot more gracious in granting these kind of requests, even when his family is present. I would sooner believe the story that the guy was drunk, Paula Deen'd him (<-- see what I did there?) and spit on his daughter as is being reported. For those, I do not blame Scottie for busting his shit in the very least.
acslater9
07-13-2013, 12:23 PM
Well, It's official.
HELLO BROOKLYN. WE'RE IN. | The Official Site of the Brooklyn Nets (http://www.nba.com/nets/hellobrooklyn-we-are-in)
FRpilot
07-13-2013, 01:45 PM
Yeah, I have always heard that Scottie was a lot more gracious in granting these kind of requests, even when his family is present.For those, I do not blame Scottie for busting his shit in the very least.
As a kid I used to collect basketball cards and subscribed to Beckett (a monthly magazine on sport cards and memorabilia). Anyways, it had a feature on the hardest basketball players to obtain autographs from and Pippen was among the most difficult on that list. (I think I even read somewhere that he told a fan that his signature was worth money and refused to sign his items because he said he's just going to turn around and sell them).
He has also earned a reputation as "No Tippin Pippen."
I don't know if he has changed since those days, but he seems like a guy who is not approachable or it depends on his mood.
Agree that the guy deserved to get his ass kicked.
FRpilot
07-13-2013, 01:50 PM
Well, It's official.
HELLO BROOKLYN. WE'RE IN. | The Official Site of the Brooklyn Nets (http://www.nba.com/nets/hellobrooklyn-we-are-in)
You guys hear that most of the NBA GMs are calling foul on the Kirilenko signing? Supposedly, the consensus is AK47 was looking for a three year deal that paid him $8M/year and everyone is shocked he signs with the Nets for the mini mid-level at $3.3xM or something.
Now all the NBA GMs are calling the league office for an investigation on suspicion of a possible side deal, especially since their billionaire owner hails from Russia, which is known for corruption and bribery.
I guess the possibility of Kirilenko playing for BRK at a discount because he "wants to win and shares a Russian connection with the owner" IS possible...
revat619
07-13-2013, 06:32 PM
You guys hear that most of the NBA GMs are calling foul on the Kirilenko signing? Supposedly, the consensus is AK47 was looking for a three year deal that paid him $8M/year and everyone is shocked he signs with the Nets for the mini mid-level at $3.3xM or something.
Now all the NBA GMs are calling the league office for an investigation on suspicion of a possible side deal, especially since their billionaire owner hails from Russia, which is known for corruption and bribery.
I guess the possibility of Kirilenko playing for BRK at a discount because he "wants to win and shares a Russian connection with the owner" IS possible...
I was just talking about this with a friend of mine. It's possible, but as sketchy as it sounds, they really have no proof. Kirilenko legally opted out of a deal and signed with the team of his choosing. How much money he takes or doesn't take is really his prerogative regardless of how much sense it does or doesn't make to everyone else. The thing is, if this guy was such a sketch character then why was he allowed to purchase a team in the first place?
Honestly, it sounds to me like the other owners are just pissed because this dude is worth 15 billion dollars and has basically said "Fuck your CBA and luxury tax penalty" and has built his team the way he wanted. They don't have that luxury and now they're mad about it.
word sux
07-13-2013, 07:40 PM
for the lulz...
FOX Sports on MSN l Sports News, Scores, Schedules, Videos and Fantasy Games (http://t.foxsports.msn.com/nba/ex-nba-star-claims-he-was-abducted-by-aliens)
Baron Davis, you crazy....
FRpilot
07-14-2013, 02:26 AM
I was just talking about this with a friend of mine. It's possible, but as sketchy as it sounds, they really have no proof. Kirilenko legally opted out of a deal and signed with the team of his choosing. How much money he takes or doesn't take is really his prerogative regardless of how much sense it does or doesn't make to everyone else. The thing is, if this guy was such a sketch character then why was he allowed to purchase a team in the first place?
Honestly, it sounds to me like the other owners are just pissed because this dude is worth 15 billion dollars and has basically said "Fuck your CBA and luxury tax penalty" and has built his team the way he wanted. They don't have that luxury and now they're mad about it.
Yea, the Burden of Proof will be difficult for any investigation the NBA comes up with.
Even if Kirilenko didn't get bribed with a lifetime supply of Russian hookers and blow, I find it difficult for any investigation the NBA partakes to come up with a paper trail as proof. It's not like they have the authority to look into Kirilenko's personal accounts and discover that he deposited a few few million that he "might have received under the table" (and that's only for the accounts they know of. Kirilenko can easily open multiple secret accounts that would be impossible to discover).
And yes, his $15B makes Mark Cuban's $2B look like chump change.
Players taking substantially less money to play on a contender is nothing new. It just goes to show you how skeptical the American public and its media are of of foreign countries and immigrants in this country, which is ridiculous considering the principles and immigrants this country was built on.
These players who take less money to win a championship for the love of the game should be applauded. Fans are always brining up the fact that these players are greedy and only care about one thing, their bottom line. But when one of these players actually puts money everyone doubts their motives.
You can please some of the people all of the time, but you can only please all of the people some of the time. :rolleyes:
fliprayzin240sx
07-14-2013, 07:12 PM
Jeez...KG, Pierce and Terry for 6 players and 3 more 1st round draft picks?
FRpilot
07-15-2013, 12:21 AM
Follow up on that Pippen thing.
Scottie Pippen's Lawyer Mark Geragos Slams Lawsuit, Calls Alleged Victim A 'Fraud' | ThePostGame (http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/201307/pippens-lawyer-slams-lawsuit-calls-alleged-victim-fraud)
I really wish Defendants could counter sue for fraud or at least the Plaintiffs could be fined for frivolous lawsuits. Maybe that would reduce the number of stupid cases causing the backlogs in the court houses.
FRpilot
07-15-2013, 12:24 AM
No one claims MWP off waivers.
NY is hopeful that MWP will sign with them for their $1.7M offer. I guess $7.7M is WAY overpaying this dude if NY is barely offering $2M.
FRpilot
07-15-2013, 04:08 PM
Ainge: We're Not Tanking Season to Get in Lottery (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ainge-were-not-tanking-season-210735198--nba.html)
Yea right...
Only this time, there aren't multiple Top 10 players on losing teams available to trade your failed tank attempt lotto picks for to build a super team.
(They have all strategically held their teams hostage and forced their way into winning situations on their own.) :hs:
enkei2k
07-15-2013, 07:16 PM
No one claims MWP off waivers.
NY is hopeful that MWP will sign with them for their $1.7M offer. I guess $7.7M is WAY overpaying this dude if NY is barely offering $2M.
Looks like we got MWP :picardfp:
Should have got him like 14 years ago instead :bash: :bash: :bash:
Dutchmalmiss
07-15-2013, 07:48 PM
Looks like we got MWP :picardfp:
Should have got him like 14 years ago instead :bash: :bash: :bash:
Still a great defender and can shoot the 3 pretty decent. Sad to see him go.
zooopreme
07-15-2013, 08:25 PM
MWP put up great numbers last year. He's a nice pick up. And I genuinely mean that.
Besides, you should be worried about your Knick's org. According to the Knicks, J.R. Smith's knee problems was chronic and got worse, yet signed him on a 4 yr deal. What's up with that? JR was problematic and his game doesn't reflect his ego 100% of the time.
That being said, I think MWP was a nice move and I think that in the shape he's in, you'll get good production from him. His last season with the Lakers was better than his championship season with the Lakers, so you should be happy that he's back home with y'all.
fliprayzin240sx
07-15-2013, 09:55 PM
Another bruiser to help Chandler on D? Shit, why the fuck not?
Looks like we got MWP :picardfp:
Should have got him like 14 years ago instead :bash: :bash: :bash:
With the shit contracts and salary situation you guys are in you should be grateful.
FRpilot
07-16-2013, 12:08 PM
With the shit contracts and salary situation you guys are in you should be grateful.
Pretty bad salary situation, but still not as worst as the Isiah Thomas days.
At least Tyson Chandler is useful and I would think Carmelo is trade-able. No one wanted anything to do with Stephon Marbury or Eddy Curry.
Extremely unhappy right now....... Take care Mike Miller :(
I would have been more happy to see Joel Anthony go but I guess -$17M is better than -$12M.....
FRpilot
07-16-2013, 02:20 PM
I can see someone like Houston picking up Mike Miller.
They can use more 3 point shooters with Dwight in the middle.
That is exactly where I expect him to go.
enkei2k
07-16-2013, 06:38 PM
MWP is still a good defender, and hopefully won't do any crazy stuff, but my main gripe is that we had a chance to draft him back then but we picked that stupid useless tall guy that got dunked on by VC in the Olympics. Now we picked him up when he's in decline instead.
Extremely unhappy right now....... Take care Mike Miller :(
I would have been more happy to see Joel Anthony go but I guess -$17M is better than -$12M.....
Miller was legit during the Finals. I'm sure someone will definitely pick him up, hopefully a contender though.
FRpilot
07-17-2013, 10:15 AM
MWP is still a good defender, and hopefully won't do any crazy stuff, but my main gripe is that we had a chance to draft him back then but we picked that stupid useless tall guy that got dunked on by VC in the Olympics. Now we picked him up when he's in decline instead.
I think Kobe kept him in check.
In NY, you better hope Woodson, rather than Carmelo, is handling the disciplinary duties.
acslater9
07-17-2013, 10:22 AM
Laker fans are funny I remember during the 2010 nba finals when MWP was open for the 3 and right when he got the ball all you heard from the crowd was "Nooooo" lmao.
In other news this this the last time Mike Miller will ever play in the finals. :rofl:
Heat amnesty Miller to create salary-cap space | NBA.com (http://www.nba.com/2013/news/07/16/heat-mike-miller-amnesty.ap/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpts)
In other news this this the last time Mike Miller will ever play in the finals. :rofl: Heat amnesty Miller to create salary-cap space | NBA.com (http://www.nba.com/2013/news/07/16/heat-mike-miller-amnesty.ap/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpts)
How did you come that conclusion?.... I'm curious as to your train of thought.... So if Mike Miller goes to the Spurs, Thunder, Clippers, Memphis or my pick for his landing spot the Rockets those teams have no shot at making it to the finals in the next 3 years??? Oh well everyone get ready for a Heat vs Pelicans NBA Finals for the next 3 seasons :rofl:
ZenkiKid
07-17-2013, 07:27 PM
Laker fans are funny I remember during the 2010 nba finals when MWP was open for the 3 and right when he got the ball all you heard from the crowd was "Nooooo" lmao.
I
I was one of those fans. LOL. That MF'er won the game and the championship for us. Kobe totally played like ass that night.
Los Angeles Lakers eye Carmelo Anthony, LeBron James for 2014 - ESPN Los Angeles (http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/9484776/los-angeles-lakers-eye-carmelo-anthony-lebron-james-2014)
Phlip's two favorite players! :keke:
zooopreme
07-18-2013, 09:57 AM
Los Angeles Lakers eye Carmelo Anthony, LeBron James for 2014 - ESPN Los Angeles (http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/9484776/los-angeles-lakers-eye-carmelo-anthony-lebron-james-2014)
Phlip's two favorite players! :keke:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPZ5Y17CUAA0yWX.jpg:large
That's old news. Between the two, I think Melo is more realistic. If the season pans out to be the season that I think the Knicks are going to have, he'll make his way to LA.
As for Lebron, I would love for him to join but I think he's a real loyal guy despite his decision to go to Miami. I see Cleveland being a front runner ahead of Los Angeles.
I hear Paul George is also among the players that LA will want to court when the 2014 off-season starts.
Zero chance that Lebron or Melo leave their teams next season or anytime after. Both players are where they want to be. That's why they picked those city's. Lebron won back to back and even if they don't win next season, he knows that Micky is a far better owner than Dan Gilbert and Jimmy Buss. Melo would never go to a Kobe Bryant team (Willingly) just to take less shots. Melo has a far better chance at taking the vet min and signing with the Heat. However it should be fun to watch ESPN's body language experts breakdown every Knicks and Heat game this season.
Point blank if L.A wants any shot at a real Super Star, Kobe must not be on the roster.
Dutchmalmiss
07-18-2013, 10:22 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPZ5Y17CUAA0yWX.jpg:large
That's old news. Between the two, I think Melo is more realistic. If the season pans out to be the season that I think the Knicks are going to have, he'll make his way to LA.
As for Lebron, I would love for him to join but I think he's a real loyal guy despite his decision to go to Miami. I see Cleveland being a front runner ahead of Los Angeles.
I hear Paul George is also among the players that LA will want to court when the 2014 off-season starts.
Definitely would welcome PG to the Lakers. Showed a lot of heart in the last series against the Heat.
FRpilot
07-18-2013, 10:53 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPZ5Y17CUAA0yWX.jpg:large
Who's going to pass?
Phlip
07-18-2013, 04:59 PM
Los Angeles Lakers eye Carmelo Anthony, LeBron James for 2014 - ESPN Los Angeles (http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/9484776/los-angeles-lakers-eye-carmelo-anthony-lebron-james-2014)
Phlip's two favorite players! :keke:
I haven't wished death upon anyone in a while, but right now I am hoping for you to be murdered in the face.
Do me a favor and wander through George Zimmerman's neighborhood with a hoody on.
Who's going to pass?
LeBron, but only enough to keep those numbers up and well-rounded.
Bottom line: NEITHER is coming to LA. LeBron has worked too hard to get people to like him to fuck it up and start over anew, especially for an owner who seems hell bent on ruining our collective memory of his father.
Melo, on the other hand... LMAO, never mind, he will stay in NY hoisting shots and not winning anything that matters for a long time.
zooopreme
07-18-2013, 09:14 PM
Right...because all of you chit chat with Lebron and Carmelo on a daily basis and are part of their inner circles.
Moving to LA won't hurt Lebron's rep anymore than it did Cleveland. Lebron sought out to do what he had to do and did it. Besides, you guys act like they'd drop Wade over Lebron. Miami isn't in a position to keep the team's core. Don't get me wrong, they would try but there are plenty of teams setting themselves up to snag Lebron. LAL is considered a favorite and you have to really be blind to see that.
All of your assumptions about Carmelo are false and simple ignorance to potential change of heart. Carmelo is willing to play with Kobe, he's put it out there. Was he not a part of a deal that got dropped quick for Bynum? Kobe knows Carmelo is a volume scorer and he also knows that the defense will be at a loss trying to guard both of them. You can't get instant offense like Carmelo can provide. Plus some of the offensive schemes D'Antoni wants (when coached and executed properly) can free both guys up well enough to become a crazy duo. Though this is just a mere fictitious observation.
The way I see it, the Knicks are headed for failure yet again this year. I wouldn't be surprised if Carmelo walked out and I wouldn't be surprised if he stayed.. Kobe could not win the last two on his own. Another presence needs to be on the court in order for the offensive flow to be lethal. Example: Miami. There were so many threats on the court and it didn't help other teams knowing their defensive schemes were so great. Year in and year out people fear the Heat and model their defensive intensity to that mold.
All I'm saying is you guys are ruling out without putting all the facts on the table. You never saw Nash coming to LA, did you?
Right...because all of you chit chat with Lebron and Carmelo on a daily basis and are part of their inner circles.
Moving to LA won't hurt Lebron's rep anymore than it did Cleveland. Lebron sought out to do what he had to do and did it. Besides, you guys act like they'd drop Wade over Lebron. Miami isn't in a position to keep the team's core. Don't get me wrong, they would try but there are plenty of teams setting themselves up to snag Lebron. LAL is considered a favorite and you have to really be blind to see that.
All of your assumptions about Carmelo are false and simple ignorance to potential change of heart. Carmelo is willing to play with Kobe, he's put it out there. Was he not a part of a deal that got dropped quick for Bynum? Kobe knows Carmelo is a volume scorer and he also knows that the defense will be at a loss trying to guard both of them. You can't get instant offense like Carmelo can provide. Plus some of the offensive schemes D'Antoni wants (when coached and executed properly) can free both guys up well enough to become a crazy duo. Though this is just a mere fictitious observation.
The way I see it, the Knicks are headed for failure yet again this year. I wouldn't be surprised if Carmelo walked out and I wouldn't be surprised if he stayed.. Kobe could not win the last two on his own. Another presence needs to be on the court in order for the offensive flow to be lethal. Example: Miami. There were so many threats on the court and it didn't help other teams knowing their defensive schemes were so great. Year in and year out people fear the Heat and model their defensive intensity to that mold.
All I'm saying is you guys are ruling out without putting all the facts on the table. You never saw Nash coming to LA, did you?
My friend you can wish upon a star all you want but neither of those guys are going to leave their teams to go play sidekick to Kobe. Dude stop drinking the homer juice. How exactly do you figure that Pat would pick D-Wade over Lebron? Seriously on what planet do you expect that to happen? I'm extremely curious to hear this shit lmao! The fans in Miami wouldn't pick Lebron over Wade but Pat isn't a fan... He's all about winning. If anyone goes next season it's Wade but that won't happen. Why exactly would Lebron leave Miami where he is the guy and has won 2 rings to go to L.A to play for Jimmy and Mike? Really? Stop watching Espn please...
Melo other hand yes has a better chance at leaving NY but even if he does, he won't be going to L.A, for the same reason that Lebron would never go there. For Fucks sake Melo hated playing for D'antoni, why would he move 3'000 miles away just to play for him again? I understand that it's fun to speculate when there is no real sport going on but this is more of a crackhead's wet dream for either of those 2 guys to go to L.A while Kobe, D'antoni and Jimmy are running the show. If either of those guys win anything in L.A it will always be because "Kobe made it happen" but it they lose it's because "they couldn't live up to the moment". See Dwight Howard if you need more clarification.
I speculate that next summer Melo stays put while NY try to find a way to buyout Amar'e and Lebron, D-Wade and Chris opt out and take another cut with more years to keep going after those Rings. If anything they will take a big enough cut to help Heat sign another impact rotation player or 2. Lakers' fans please stop this, you guys are looking more and more like Knicks fans back in 09'....
I haven't wished death upon anyone in a while, but right now I am hoping for you to be murdered in the face.
Do me a favor and wander through George Zimmerman's neighborhood with a hoody on.
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/382224640/h239519F9/
Phlip
07-19-2013, 09:15 AM
Right...because all of you chit chat with Lebron and Carmelo on a daily basis and are part of their inner circles.
Moving to LA won't hurt Lebron's rep anymore than it did Cleveland. Lebron sought out to do what he had to do and did it. Besides, you guys act like they'd drop Wade over Lebron. Miami isn't in a position to keep the team's core. Don't get me wrong, they would try but there are plenty of teams setting themselves up to snag Lebron. LAL is considered a favorite and you have to really be blind to see that.
All of your assumptions about Carmelo are false and simple ignorance to potential change of heart. Carmelo is willing to play with Kobe, he's put it out there. Was he not a part of a deal that got dropped quick for Bynum? Kobe knows Carmelo is a volume scorer and he also knows that the defense will be at a loss trying to guard both of them. You can't get instant offense like Carmelo can provide. Plus some of the offensive schemes D'Antoni wants (when coached and executed properly) can free both guys up well enough to become a crazy duo. Though this is just a mere fictitious observation.
The way I see it, the Knicks are headed for failure yet again this year. I wouldn't be surprised if Carmelo walked out and I wouldn't be surprised if he stayed.. Kobe could not win the last two on his own. Another presence needs to be on the court in order for the offensive flow to be lethal. Example: Miami. There were so many threats on the court and it didn't help other teams knowing their defensive schemes were so great. Year in and year out people fear the Heat and model their defensive intensity to that mold.
All I'm saying is you guys are ruling out without putting all the facts on the table. You never saw Nash coming to LA, did you?
That’s cute.
People ask me my opinion because they trust that I know what I am talking about. It seems that you’re telling me that I shouldn’t notice that Melo never worked out well with D’Antoni, should I? I should never notice that LeBron – who very obviously cares about his image – would not want to have gone to such lengths to regain the face he lost in how he left Cleveland in turning and doing the same thing again?
Furthermore, the Lakers are being run by an idiot right now, and if either player is moving from their current locales in search of a title, then the Lakers are not the spot right now.
FRpilot
07-19-2013, 10:29 AM
LeBron, but only enough to keep those numbers up and well-rounded.
I know LBJ is the most likely based on his assist numbers and willingness to pass compared to Kobe/Melo. I was just saying.
My friend you can wish upon a star all you want but neither of those guys are going to leave their teams to go play sidekick to Kobe. Dude stop drinking the homer juice. How exactly do you figure that Pat would pick D-Wade over Lebron? Seriously on what planet do you expect that to happen? I'm extremely curious to hear this shit lmao! The fans in Miami wouldn't pick Lebron over Wade but Pat isn't a fan... He's all about winning. If anyone goes next season it's Wade but that won't happen. Why exactly would Lebron leave Miami where he is the guy and has won 2 rings to go to L.A to play for Jimmy and Mike? Really? Stop watching Espn please...
Melo other hand yes has a better chance at leaving NY but even if he does, he won't be going to L.A, for the same reason that Lebron would never go there. For Fucks sake Melo hated playing for D'antoni, why would he move 3'000 miles away just to play for him again? I understand that it's fun to speculate when there is no real sport going on but this is more of a crackhead's wet dream for either of those 2 guys to go to L.A while Kobe, D'antoni and Jimmy are running the show. If either of those guys win anything in L.A it will always be because "Kobe made it happen" but it they lose it's because "they couldn't live up to the moment". See Dwight Howard if you need more clarification.
I speculate that next summer Melo stays put while NY try to find a way to buyout Amar'e and Lebron, D-Wade and Chris opt out and take another cut with more years to keep going after those Rings. If anything they will take a big enough cut that so Heat can sign another impact rotation player or 2. Lakers' fans please stop this, you guys are looking more and more like Knicks fans back in 09'....
Stop feeding the trolls! :hs:
Agree on Pat Riley. He doesn't take shit from no one and he doesn't care if you're Dwayne Wade or Antoine Walker. If you're not producing or carrying too much body fat on you, you're sitting on the bench or getting axed from the roster as soon as the opportunity arises.
Good point on the Melo and D'Antoni relationship and his unlikeliness of going to LA to endure that bullshit again. Not sure why Melo would leave NY. They treat him well, it's the big city that fits his wife's career, and he won't really be held accountable for anything. He can shoot to his heart's content and NY and its fans will still love him.
If Miami's big three is content on winning, they MAY be willing to do that but they would have to take a somewhat major cut. All three make about $20M each. Salary cap for 2013-2014 is $58.7; let's be generous and make things easy by saying the salary cap will be $60M. If all three opt out after this season, they'd have to take between $12-15M each. That would be $36-45M tied up with another $15M to fill the bench. Miami might be willing to got $5M over the $60M cap to win, but I'm not sure how much more than that when they amnesty Mike Miller just to save on taxes. I think it depends on Wade's decline and how LBJ views the chances of him winning more rings with that core is. Chris Bosh is good, but he can jump ship to another team and pair up with another similar or better big man.
Btw, imo, 90-95% of Lakers fanbase don't know too much about basketball. They follow the Lakers because they are popular and it's trendy. (refer to Clippers bandwagon)
zooopreme
07-19-2013, 11:44 AM
So all of a sudden because ESPN JUST started reporting means I've been watching too much ESPN? I and a lot of folks (outside of LA) have been aware of what 2014 means to a lot of teams for a while now. I posted that picture because I found it as it was brought up.
Teams like LAL have room to sign big players that will become free agents in 2014. I can "dream" but the reality is Lebron will become a free agent and with the players on their payroll, you expect Miami to match the offer? If they match that offer, who will be dropped in the process? My guess is Miami's core which include two of the most important players on that roster Wade and Bosh. Lebron is great but let's look at the fact, Miami won as a team. Lebron did not single handedly win every series for them.
Other facts that are to be thrown out there, the Lakers will stick with D'Antoni because they fucked up with not obtaining Phil and let's be real, Jimmy Boy hasn't been making the right moves. They wouldn't want to be over fire again after Mike Brown. HOWEVER, D'Antoni has made adjustments towards the end of the season and while I'm no D'Antoni apologist, I believe if people buy into it (where all of the Lakers did not last year), they can do well and it shows that D'Antoni has as much offensive brains as people claim he does. Kurt Rambis is also a part of the staff and Phil Jackson is working behind the scenes looking for a Pat Riley-type position.
Riq, your assumption that your big 3 and others will take a paycut is about as farfetched as the idea, I brought up. So idk where you come off to talk down to me.
Phlip, while I believe you bring up great insight, other than a forum moderator, working at your day job, and snapping at people for misspelling your username, are you a writer/beat reporter/within a player's inner circle? Do you get any more insight than what's written on a team's reporter's page/Yahoo Sports/USA Today/ or some other media? While I respect your opinion, I believe you're about as insightful as anybody on here.
While I'm here, which one of you are beat writers/reporters/writers that follow these teams around and have "sources"?
With all of that said, based on facts it is a possibility that Carmelo would want to move to a team like LA where the team is set up better to sign a better supporting cast than what the Knicks have done for him.
And as for Lebron, I see why he would want to stay in Miami but why rule out the idea of him going for greatness and trying to move to another team to challenge himself? I put Cleveland before LA if you read what I said instead of acting like a ignorant jerk. Miami will try it's best to keep the core intact but somebody will have to take a paycut (a la Spurs) and between the 3 of them, who will be the one's to take less money?
I've been saying like LA because they are amongst the teams that are setting up.
Btw, imo, 90-95% of Lakers fanbase don't know too much about basketball. They follow the Lakers because they are popular and it's trendy. (refer to Clippers bandwagon)
I really hope you're not placing me in that 90-95%.
I know LBJ is the most likely based on his assist numbers and willingness to pass compared to Kobe/Melo. I was just saying.
Stop feeding the trolls! :hs:
Agree on Pat Riley. He doesn't take shit from no one and he doesn't care if you're Dwayne Wade or Antoine Walker. If you're not producing or carrying too much body fat on you, you're sitting on the bench or getting axed from the roster as soon as the opportunity arises.
Good point on the Melo and D'Antoni relationship and his unlikeliness of going to LA to endure that bullshit again. Not sure why Melo would leave NY. They treat him well, it's the big city that fits his wife's career, and he won't really be held accountable for anything. He can shoot to his heart's content and NY and its fans will still love him.
If Miami's big three is content on winning, they MAY be willing to do that but they would have to take a somewhat major cut. All three make about $20M each. Salary cap for 2013-2014 is $58.7; let's be generous and make things easy by saying the salary cap will be $60M. If all three opt out after this season, they'd have to take between $12-15M each. That would be $36-45M tied up with another $15M to fill the bench. Miami might be willing to got $5M over the $60M cap to win, but I'm not sure how much more than that when they amnesty Mike Miller just to save on taxes. I think it depends on Wade's decline and how LBJ views the chances of him winning more rings with that core is. Chris Bosh is good, but he can jump ship to another team and pair up with another similar or better big man.
Btw, imo, 90-95% of Lakers fanbase don't know too much about basketball. They follow the Lakers because they are popular and it's trendy. (refer to Clippers bandwagon)
I agree that feeding trolls is bad but sometimes it's hard to stay quiet when someone decides to preach as if they have a clue of what they're talking about. Next we're going to hear that Lebron is going to go to play for the Mavs and Melo is going to join him.....
As far as fans go, it's a fact that all fan bases are full of fair weather fans. People just act like Miami is the only city with those lol! Perfect example, Pacers play by play guy talking crap about Heat fans leaving the game early during a blowout yet he forgets that the Pacers attendance this past season was 27th in the NBA. The Bobcats had a better attendance record than the Pacers did.
I can "dream"
That's about all you can do.....
Who needs actual facts when all you're doing is dreaming right?
zooopreme
07-19-2013, 12:11 PM
Who's Mr. ESPN now? Stats. Stats. Stats. Fan attendance depends on location, history, and/or marketing of personnel and not just put on to "fair weather fans". Also, Pacers ranked 25th and the Bobcats had a 55 person difference between their averages. Whoooooopy. And okay, now, you're just being immature. I threw out facts and all you did was take my words out of context especially when I was being sarcastic. But whatever, I'm talking to an ignorant idiot through the internet, there's no fun in that.
I'll repeat this: Which one of you are beat writers/reporters/writers that follow these teams around and have "sources"? All of your words are about as valid and "credible" as anybody else here UNLESS you've been a part of that list.
Phlip
07-19-2013, 06:23 PM
Teams like LAL have room to sign big players that will become free agents in 2014. I can "dream" but the reality is Lebron will become a free agent and with the players on their payroll, you expect Miami to match the offer? If they match that offer, who will be dropped in the process? My guess is Miami's core which include two of the most important players on that roster Wade and Bosh. Lebron is great but let's look at the fact, Miami won as a team. Lebron did not single handedly win every series for them.
Are you high? LeBron did ALL the heavy lifting this year with the exception of Ray Allen bailing him out that one time. Wade was gimping and Bosh was apparently having daydreams about what he would do with Drake and Jason Collins if they won.
With all of that said, based on facts it is a possibility that Carmelo would want to move to a team like LA where the team is set up better to sign a better supporting cast than what the Knicks have done for him.
To accept anything you've said as fact would go against things they taught me in college about how and why to accept things as fact. You have presented OPINION as to why Carmelo and LeBron might come to LA. You did so with emotional attachment. At the risk of telling everyone here how old you are, I have been a Lakers fan since Magic turned a triple double in game six of the 1985 finals. I have been observed to be objective in my assessment of others against my own favorite team. Most know that I LOVE Syracuse and appreciate Carmelo for his year there, but his game will NEVER translate to winning basketball against adults. My distaste for LeBron is well-worn, but I would invite you to find me someone who has been able to call ONE of my assessments out as being wrong in the last three of these threads.
We will all wait.
While I'm here, which one of you are beat writers/reporters/writers that follow these teams around and have "sources"?
The next thing someone does when they say something like this is to PRODUCE those items for themselves.
Go for it.
I really hope you're not placing me in that 90-95%.
Well... until you show us otherwise.
At the end of the day, LeBron is MOST about the story of LeBron, and that is most safely guarded by remaining in Miami for the duration. If he needs to take a cut in pay to make that, then so be it because it will all pay off at the end of it. Remember that the Bulls only payed Cheese Eyes what he was WORTH for two years. Carmelo has shown himself in the NBA to take the path of least resistance, or that which will cause him to face the fewest questions. And before ANYONE tries to mention Brolo Nation and NY fans, remember that Lakers fans tend to be more ruthless when the Lakers are not winning. Since the Knicks almost never win anything, they have no useful point of comparison with which to work with.
Phlip there is no point in arguing with him. The homer is so strong with him that he's talking out of his ass. Just let him spin his wheels. I'm sure he will be really reading body language all season starting in the preseason. :)
Bill Simmons, Skip Bayless and Stephan A. Smith have a new avid fan for this upcoming season. Where is Aerosmith when you need them? "DREAM ON".....
Lebron/Kobe/Melo 2015-16-17-18-19-20 Champs!!!! Jimmy Buss best owner in the NBA. Mike D'antoni Best Coach in NBA History Fuck Phil!!!... /Argument
God it's amazing how ignorant fans can be when they have a vested interest in a transaction. ZERO OBJECTIVITY.... You Sir are giving "Brolo" and "Goofs" a run for their money... good show "Zooopreme"... Please carry on, I'm interested in seeing to what level your idiotic "Fact Based Opinions" can get to....
zooopreme
07-19-2013, 09:19 PM
Lol, wow. I wrote a novel out to reply but I'd rather just keep it brief(er than usual)
In my interest to not be belittled for no real reason by people who don't know me or judge me based on age and lack of objectivity in a discussion thread, I won't part take in discussions regarding the topic of possible exodus by LBJ and Carmelo.
And Riq, stop, lol.
theronin
07-19-2013, 10:28 PM
It deeply saddens me that this thread is getting more love than the NFL thread.
#ninernation
Lol, wow. I wrote a novel out to reply but I'd rather just keep it brief(er than usual)
In my interest to not be belittled for no real reason by people who don't know me or judge me based on age and lack of objectivity in a discussion thread, I won't part take in discussions regarding the topic of possible exodus by LBJ and Carmelo.
And Riq, stop, lol.
All joking aside, I'm fine with speculation. It's all you can do when there is no real sport going on (I simply don't count baseball). But being completely fair to your argument. You assume that the Miami Heat would simply let Lebron walk. Had the Heat not won a Championship during this 3 year run your argument would have tremendous traction. Had the great Jerry Buss or atleast Jeanie been running the Lakers and Phil Coaching while Dwight stayed in L.A I would be the first to say "The Lakers have a great shot at taking any Super Star" Maybe not Lebron but that has alot more to with Lebron wanting to be the G.O.A.T when it's all said and done. If Lebron goes to L.A and wins 3 rings in a row, Kobe gets all the credit. Even the biggest homer in the world can admit that. No one will EVER credit Lebron with winning those Championships because most people look for any reason and I mean the smallest reason to disqualify him when being compared to MJ. So even in a perfect world Lebron simply does not go to L.A to be Kobe's sidekick while having to do most of the work. In Miami the National Media claimed Lebron was D-Wade's sidekick but the objective basketball fan knew that Lebron was the better player. In L.A Kobe could play in a wheelchair and still be considered the better.
As far as the money goes, Lebron will take another paycut, so will D-Wade and so will Chris Bosh. They did it to come together and they'll take another because they know they're going to need help going forward. These guys make all of their money from endorsements so leaving $5-10M per on the table doesn't matter. If it did Miami wouldn't have them on the roster in the first place. Miami although a small market team are one of the best run franchises in the NBA and they're in "Win Now Mode" as Pat put it. This means that it begins and ends with Lebron staying put. This also means that the Heat will do everything possible to surround them with what they need to win. Jimmy on the other hand has quickly built a reputation for doing everything but. Remember Kobe didn't endorse Mike Brown as Coach of the Lakers but Jimmy went on ahead and did it anyway. And for all the adjustments that Mike D'antoni made at the end of the season I would still take Pat and Spo over Mitch and Mike...
Phlip went into great detail about why Melo simply will not go to L.A so there really is no reason for me to go into anymore detail.
To be clear, the only time speculation bothers me is when it's speculation started by Espn's trolls. The only reason this story has any legs is because Espn trolls fans. It's what they did to all the Chicago and Knicks fans back in 08-09 and people eat it up. No person with an objective point of view can see either of those guys going to L.A. It's not about being in Melo's head or being a Media member, hell Brian Windhorset the self proclaimed Lebron expert claimed the Heat would be trading Chris Bosh this summer and next summer Lebron would be bolting to Cleveland because he and D-Wade have static. But in all honesty that tub of lard is just trying to boost ratings. America won't tune in if they say "Well... Next summer these guys will stay with their teams". Espn has been building this story since Lebron signed his contract with a player option back in 2010. Why wouldn't they try to juice the hell out of it? By the way, all three guys have player options for their 5th and 6th year as well so this speculation will be here until they sign their new deals.
As far as your age goes, I have no clue how old you are nor did I ask so I'll assume that was directed at Phlip.
It deeply saddens me that this thread is getting more love than the NFL thread.
#ninernation
There really isn't much NFL news going on other than Hernandez so it's going to be slow. But we all know that it will blow up in a few weeks. Not much hope for my Dolphins this year but what else is new? Although I heard about the Seahawks fans buying bricks at the Niners Stadium to talk smack LMAO!
zooopreme
07-20-2013, 09:36 AM
You assume that the Miami Heat would simply let Lebron walk.
Miami isn't in a position to keep the team's core. Don't get me wrong, they would try but there are plenty of teams setting themselves up to snag Lebron.
Forgot to put "optimal position" assuming the big 3 were looking for money.
Had the great Jerry Buss or atleast Jeanie been running the Lakers and Phil Coaching while Dwight stayed in L.A I would be the first to say "The Lakers have a great shot at taking any Super Star"
A lot of what if's and what could have happened. I've said this before: Phil was a better fit but I don't think it would have played out to an immediate championship. Implementing the triangle to a team where only 4-5 players were familiar to it was a task.
There weren't enough consistent shooters for us to execute that part of the triangle. And based on Dwight's lack of offensive dominance last season, I don't think it would have played out as well in theory. One could even say the offensive load in the post would be directed towards Pau, would Dwight like that?
Also, if they kept Phil was hired as hc and Dwight stayed, Pau would have been dealt. Lakers are known for their height (or for the past 5 years), you think Dwight alone would have worked on the offensive end?
I see the lack of luster for people coming to LA though. I'm not oblivious to it. I've been on the side that didn't like Jim Buss and D'Antoni and even the acquisition of Nash.
Maybe not Lebron but that has alot more to with Lebron wanting to be the G.O.A.T when it's all said and done. If Lebron goes to L.A and wins 3 rings in a row, Kobe gets all the credit.
Says who? Kobe wasn't given 100% full credit for the last two. They acknowledged Pau's presence as well. Take up your campaign against the media. Real fans know.
In a very hypothetical world, let's say Lebron was in tandem with Kobe. Lebron plays well and Kobe was reduced to the injured Wade in last year's Playoffs and they win the title, do you really believe all of the credit would go straight to Kobe? I think credit is earned for those who perform. Lebron dominated the Playoffs but I saw it as a team effort even with the games that Bosh and Wade weren't producing well.
I think the credit you're looking at is who's team it belongs to, in which case, the media and Kobe will say that it's still his team. And based on Lebron's answer about the Heat being Wade's team, I think he would be okay with that. I don't know for sure though.
Even the biggest homer in the world can admit that. No one will EVER credit Lebron with winning those Championships because most people look for any reason and I mean the smallest reason to disqualify him when being compared to MJ.
To be fair, not every fan believes MJ alone won 6. They factor in Pippen almost all the time, at the very least.
So even in a perfect world Lebron simply does not go to L.A to be Kobe's sidekick while having to do most of the work. In Miami the National Media claimed Lebron was D-Wade's sidekick but the objective basketball fan knew that Lebron was the better player. In L.A Kobe could play in a wheelchair and still be considered the better.
The media put it out that way. When the clock was going to 0, Lebron usually gives up the ball to an open teammate.
As many times as I think that's not clutch, if the pass looks good, that's about as clutch as he can get since passing is one of his best assets.
I think Lebron is a leader but I think it's Wade's team. In my opinion, a great leader/player accepts his role and provides their best assets to the team. Lebron isn't known for his jump shooting so any way he can contribute to a W should be taken into consideration.
People say that about Kobe because he's earned the talk. Rings hold a little more value.
It's hard for me to see why the big 3 would take paycuts but you make a strong point about Jim/Mike vs Pat/Spo. I guess it's because under the new CBA, coaches typically get tossed first.
I've said Lakers sticking with D'Antoni was a PR move but I think they're smart enough to know that if Lebron (or another big time player) does sign, if D'Antoni doesn't live up to the expectations, they'll toss him or they should.
Idk, I'm with you when I think Jimmy Boy's choices haven't been great. But we'll see.
To be clear, the only time speculation bothers me is when it's speculation started by Espn's trolls.
Between Laker fans that use the internet to gather, this news was pretty old news. A lot of us put Nash and Dwight into the payroll and played dream team. When ESPN brought it up, the reaction was "oh, we knew. Let's hope it works"
Phlip
07-20-2013, 01:01 PM
It's hard for me to see why the big 3 would take paycuts but you make a strong point about Jim/Mike vs Pat/Spo. I guess it's because under the new CBA, coaches typically get tossed first.
Because everyone in the league is about to take paycuts except for the owners, and players who play for the Knicks - who are owned by a media company - the Lakers becuase, well, they're the Lakers and as has been mentioned have a fat enough TV contract to make it more than worth it, and the Nets who have an eccentric multibillionaire owner. The way around that is to play for a winner, which will up your OFF the court value in endorsements and appearance fees. There is a reason Kobe had been the highest-paid player on AND off the court until last year.
The big three leaves about 3-5mil a year on the table and that is made up in the fact that FL does not have a state income tax, and then is COMPLETELY negated when they win and their non-basketball earnings are way up.
The only thing L.A has to offer is money which Miami and NY can match with zero issue as well as add an extra year. Players like Melo, LBJ, Wade and Bosh are past the point of letting money drive their interest. They want to be in a great position to win, to build their legacies. Going to the Lakers won't help them win anymore than they currently are. In all honesty it would make it harder to win in L.A because of Kobe, Mike and Jimmy. Take away the max deal and L.A is left with nothing to offer, zero basketball reasons. This is the reason Dwight didn't stay despite what butt hurt homers claim. Lets face it the Lakers have become the L.A Clippers of old.
Phlip
07-20-2013, 07:01 PM
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Phlip
07-20-2013, 07:02 PM
The only thing L.A has to offer is money which Miami and NY can match with zero issue as well as add an extra year. Players like Melo, LBJ, Wade and Bosh are past the point of letting money drive their interest. They want to be in a great position to win, to build their legacies. Going to the Lakers won't help them win anymore than they currently are. In all honesty it would make it harder to win in L.A because of Kobe, Mike and Jimmy. Take away the max deal and L.A is left with nothing to offer, zero basketball reasons. This is the reason Dwight didn't stay despite what butt hurt homers claim. Lets face it the Lakers have become the L.A Clippers of old.
One of these things is not like the other things.
I do disagree with the Dwight Howard thing, though. His decision is HALF predicated on winning, but the fact remains that he is not a winner anyway. He COULD take on the proper traits in LA but not as long as D'Antoni is running the show. In addition to wanting to -- or appearing to want to -- win, he wants to make rap albums and movies like "Shazaam," to employ an obviously ham-fisted metaphor. If he wanted to do that, the OTHER entity in Orlando should have stepped in and offered him a Disney movie deal, which provides him as a pseudo-Christian with some good clean movies to participate in and guarantee some off-court moneys. But "HOLY SHIT! They want me to be popular AND win in LA?" Yep, comes with the territory. If you're hurt, say you're hurt and work it out, but don't wait until all after the fact and be like "well I did all I can do".
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1001023_673977179297476_1437186010_n.jpg
LMAO! :D I seriously wish I could do that to the Espn body language experts all the time. Bill Simmons being the main guy, I mean it's bad enough that he's a huge Celtics fan but the guy is a complete moron that constantly lets his emotions get in the way of his ability to be objective. Just look at the shit he pulled on Doc during the draft.
And Yeah I agree that adding Melo to that list was a bit of a stretch. But I'm trying to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. :doh:
Phlip
07-24-2013, 02:16 PM
Carmelo in Lakers uniform in 2014? Not so fast (http://www.foxsportswest.com/fox-sports-networks/story/Carmelo-in-Lakers-uniform-in-2014-Not-so?blockID=922897&feedID=3707)
zooopreme
07-24-2013, 03:18 PM
I read that this morning as well. Also saw Paul George and Klay Thompson say that it wouldn't be smart to leave their teams for the Lakers.
I don't blame them though.
Dutchmalmiss
07-24-2013, 04:03 PM
I read that this morning as well. Also saw Paul George and Klay Thompson say that it wouldn't be smart to leave their teams for the Lakers.
I don't blame them though.
Might change once the next offseason begins. I'm sure they don't want to undermine the relationship they currently have with their team/organization with any hints of future plans or decisions.
Mike Miller to Memphis, atleast he went to my second favorite team. He should fit in great with Memphis' inside out game.
In other news Andrew Bynum just took a shot at the Lakers fans. He said something like it's good to finally play for a City that really supports their team...
Phlip
07-24-2013, 06:07 PM
Mike Miller to Memphis, atleast he went to my second favorite team. He should fit in great with Memphis' inside out game.
In other news Andrew Bynum just took a shot at the Lakers fans. He said something like it's good to finally play for a City that really supports their team...
When he said that, I immediately thought of this
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lmao! That pretty much sums it up. People in Cities with things to do tend to do those things when their teams suck. In Cleveland all there is, is sports, snow and crap. L.A is a transient town with alot of fun things to do. So why complain about fan support if these are facts that exist? I just think that he's trying to stir up the bandwagon fan argument once again... smh
Phlip
07-25-2013, 10:38 AM
lmao! That pretty much sums it up. People in Cities with things to do tend to do those things when their teams suck. In Cleveland all there is, is sports, snow and crap. L.A is a transient town with alot of fun things to do. So why complain about fan support if these are facts that exist? I just think that he's trying to stir up the bandwagon fan argument once again... smh
Yeah, the fact is that LA is a HIGHLY populated enormous media market that shares 5 teams in three of the major sporting leagues, most of a film industry and lord knows what else. That people in the area DARE be indifferent to one of those teams - despite that team having among the largest national followings - is to be expected in this situation. At least to me.
Also:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/report-jj-redick-ex-girlfriend-vanessa-lopez-signed-abortion-contract-072413
JJ Redick needs to speak at the rookie symposium about hiring the right lawyer, because he is doing it right.
acslater9
08-02-2013, 11:46 AM
Check out the New Orleans Pelicans’ new uniforms | For The Win (http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/08/new-orleans-pelicans-jerseys/)
Anyone here agree with me that the away jersey's for the Pelicans are similar to the Grizzlies?
Check out the New Orleans Pelicans’ new uniforms | For The Win (http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/08/new-orleans-pelicans-jerseys/)
Anyone here agree with me that the away jersey's for the Pelicans are similar to the Grizzlies?
Wow, I hope they didn't pay someone for that plain design.
acslater9
08-03-2013, 03:59 PM
It's official, The Miami Heat are the ugliest team in the NBA. #nobeef
Oden giving NBA one more try, choosing to sign with Heat | NBA.com (http://www.nba.com/2013/news/08/02/aldridge-on-oden-signing-with-heat/index.html)
It's official, The Miami Heat are the ugliest team in the NBA. #nobeef
You mad Lebron has been reunited with his dad? Next year we're bringing Uncle Drew for the family reunion. :keke:
Phlip
08-04-2013, 07:00 AM
I give Oden 20 starts before he goes down for the season.
Crying-ass shame to be doing the "end of career" ring chasing at the ripe old age of 25 after only two seasons in the NBA
zooopreme
08-04-2013, 11:22 AM
I give Oden 20 starts before he goes down for the season.
Crying-ass shame to be doing the "end of career" ring chasing at the ripe old age of 25 after only two seasons in the NBA
Exactly how I felt with Brandon Roy.
Phlip
08-04-2013, 01:45 PM
Exactly how I felt with Brandon Roy.
Yeah, but not quite.
1 - Oden was NEVER a "top 10" considered player at his position, as he has only played 82 games of the 492 he has been eligible for and 410 for which he has been compensated for, be it by salary or insurance.
2 - Oden at 75-80% is better than any center that Miami has had since Shaq
2a - Roy doesn't have that luxury at the position that he plays
acslater9
08-06-2013, 09:05 AM
Guys, today is the day they release the 2013-2014 NBA schedule @ 6:00pm ET!
Can't wait, what teams are you wanting to see play against each other?
I honestly want to go see a Chicago Bulls game, So I hope the Bulls go and play Orlando so I can watch them. lol
Phlip
08-06-2013, 09:30 AM
Guys, today is the day they release the 2013-2014 NBA schedule @ 6:00pm ET!
Can't wait, what teams are you wanting to see play against each other?
I honestly want to go see a Chicago Bulls game, So I hope the Bulls go and play Orlando so I can watch them. lol
They HAVE to play in Orlando at least once perhaps twice.
The reigning champion Miami Heat will open up the NBA season at home against the Chicago Bulls in what figures to be Derrick Rose's first game since tearing his ACL during the 2012 playoffs, one of three games on Tuesday, Oct. 29 -- the first night of the 2013-14 NBA season.
The Staples Center hallway rivalry will also tip off on opening night as the fortified Los Angeles Clippers with new coach Doc Rivers will take on the Dwight Howard-less Los Angeles Lakers.
The Orlando Magic and Indiana Pacers will kick off the NBA opening night tripleheader.
After spurning the Lakers in the offseason, Howard will make his Houston Rockets debut when they play host to the Charlotte Bobcats on Oct. 30.
That same night, Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce are scheduled to make their debuts as members of the Brooklyn Nets under first-year head coach Jason Kidd in a road test against Kyrie Irving, 2013 No. 1 overall pick Anthony Bennett and the rest of the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Howard will face the Lakers for the first time on Nov. 7 when the Rockets host the Lakers, while the former Celtics will return to Boston for the first time on Jan. 26.
The NBA Christmas Day schedule again will include five games, starting with Chicago at Brooklyn (noon ET, ESPN). It continues with Oklahoma City at New York (2:30 p.m. ET, ABC), Miami at the Lakers (5 p.m. ET, ABC), Houston at San Antonio (8 p.m. ET, ESPN) and the Clippers at Golden State (10:30 p.m. ET, ESPN).
"You care a little bit about what the schedule says, like where you'll be for the holidays and making sure that your family is there around you," Heat guard Mario Chalmers said. "Going to L.A. on Christmas this time, that's a little weird ... but you just show up and play."
This will mark the first time since 2008 that the defending NBA champions will be on the road for Christmas.
ESPN's regular-season TV schedule opens Nov. 1 with a doubleheader -- Miami at Brooklyn (8 p.m. ET), followed by San Antonio at the Lakers (10:30 p.m. ET).
Schedule looks like shit for the marquee dates. :rolleyes:
zooopreme
08-07-2013, 09:02 AM
Speaking of the schedule, any ideas why people are making it a big deal that the Heat have less national televised games compared to the Lakers?
Speaking of the schedule, any ideas why people are making it a big deal that the Heat have less national televised games compared to the Lakers?
I didn't know people had issues with that but it makes sense when you consider that despite what Kobe wants to happen, he may not play much this year. It's like giving the Pelicans or Bobcats more national games than the Knicks in a sense. People don't want to watch the Lakers if they're not contenders and in all likely hood they aren't even a playoff team this year. You also have to consider the bandwagon fans that won't get to watch the Heat as much as they would like. All and all, who cares? People will always find a reason to complain.
I would say that the Lakers have a prime schedule because they have a big national following outside of LA.
But the NBA dropped the ball by putting Heat/Lakers on Christmas.
FRpilot
08-14-2013, 06:02 PM
Minnesota signs Pekovic for 5 years/$60M!! I understand he's a center with size and decent skills (which are scarce in the league), but $12M/year for him? I rate him in the class of Omar Osik or Nikola Vucevic but he's no Marc Gasol or Al Horford. He's serviceable and slightly above average, but injury prone. I would have think that they would have offered him between 8-10M/yr on shorter terms like 3-4 yrs.
Him and his agent thought he would be a consolation prize for teams that missed out on the D12 sweepstakes, but no one called. Something tells me that Minnesota was bidding against themselves.
Minnesota signs Pekovic for 5 years/$60M!! I understand he's a center with size and decent skills (which are scarce in the league), but $12M/year for him? I rate him in the class of Omar Osik or Nikola Vucevic but he's no Marc Gasol or Al Horford. He's serviceable and slightly above average, but injury prone. I would have think that they would have offered him between 8-10M/yr on shorter terms like 3-4 yrs.
Him and his agent thought he would be a consolation prize for teams that missed out on the D12 sweepstakes, but no one called. Something tells me that Minnesota was bidding against themselves.
I don't think any big man in the league is worth what they're getting, but its what the "market" dictates.
FRpilot
08-19-2013, 12:18 AM
i think milwaukee's offer of 44M/4 years to Larry Sanders is pretty fair and might be a bargain depending on how Sanders develops.
Sanders was averaging more points and rebounds than DeAndre Jordan PLUS twice as many blocks AND he did all that while playing behind Samuel Dalemburt and being injured for a little bit (probably equated to what was half the season). I used DeAndre Jordan as a comparison because has a similar 44M contract, but he doesn't do as much
I think Sanders can be a double double guy getting 3 blocks next season. especially with jennings and ellis gone. maybe even a 15/12/3 guy; he's worth it, good signing in my book.
zooopreme
08-27-2013, 08:39 AM
Tracy McGrady retires and some folks believe he should be a HOF-er.
I'm actually 60/30/10 about this.
50 being nope. 40 being there have been others like him (stats wise), so why not. 10 being if he's being considered, I'd put AI before him.
I actually don't know the exact credentials to be inducted into the HOF but I would imagine that your stats would have to be great, you would have to be a top player for a long period of time, and your impact in the game matters too. I'm sure that championships play a part of the selection process but there are some guys in the HOF that don't have one and were still inducted.
In my opinion, he almost doesn't fit the third one. Anybody that appreciated his game could make a case to say otherwise but when you think of basketball in the early 2000's, you think Lakers and I also associate this time with AI but that's just me. In his Houston days, his Playoff numbers are great. But I guess a part of anybody's impact would be the results. Is that his fault? I don't believe so but for those that are voting? Maybe. Basketball is a team game but truthfully, I can see the ring argument ruining Tracy's chances despite his accolades.
musikjunkie
08-28-2013, 12:11 AM
and in other news Lamar Odom has been on a crack fiend...
Felipe
08-28-2013, 12:32 AM
and in other news Lamar Odom has been on a crack fiend...
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Phlip
09-06-2013, 02:06 PM
After GUARANTEEING a championship, he...
Knicks G J.R. Smith suspended for violating anti-drug program - NBA News | FOX Sports on MSN (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/new-york-knicks-guard-jr-smith-suspended-five-games-for-violating-anti-drug-program-090613)
Dutchmalmiss
09-06-2013, 02:14 PM
Thoughts on Lakers this season? I'm foreseeing a solid 45-50 win season (barring injuries).
Phlip
09-06-2013, 02:43 PM
Thoughts on Lakers this season? I'm foreseeing a solid 45-50 win season (barring injuries).
I have less faith than that. That is a best case scenario, involving a fully healthy Kobe and a competent use of all talents.
I ain't holding my breath
Dutchmalmiss
09-06-2013, 03:08 PM
I have less faith than that. That is a best case scenario, involving a fully healthy Kobe and a competent use of all talents.
I ain't holding my breath
I just can't help but be very convinced that this roster will mesh together way more successfully than last season's. Odom would've helped a lot, but he's off somewhere probably finding reasons to retire/divorce/insertcrackjoke.
theronin
09-06-2013, 06:17 PM
I have less faith than that. That is a best case scenario, involving a fully healthy Kobe and a competent use of all talents.
I ain't holding my breath
This right here. I'd love to see them play that well, but I'm preparing myself for a very very rough season.
zooopreme
09-06-2013, 08:31 PM
I just can't help but be very convinced that this roster will mesh together way more successfully than last season's. Odom would've helped a lot, but he's off somewhere probably finding reasons to retire/divorce/insertcrackjoke.
I don't see cohesion under D'Antoni's coaching. But who knows, he's getting a training camp and he's got nothing to lose really. So we'll see.
Odom would not have helped at all, tbh. As much as I love what he's done for the Lakers, I can't help but feel bad and wish him the best. On that note, I don't think he deserves a roster spot on any team until he gets well.
MICHAEL FUCKING BEASLEY FOR NEXT TO NOTHING
That is all....
Goofs
09-11-2013, 05:37 PM
MICHAEL FUCKING BEASLEY FOR NEXT TO NOTHING
That is all....
Ye let's just cancel the season, and start planning the parade already...
^^^ I still don't feel the Heat are a sure thing this season. It will come down to how recovered Wade is from his bad knee. But Beasley at the very least can give you instant offense when Wade isn't on his game. But his horrible defense has always been a problem and I don't see it changing. Here is hoping that Beasley can learn something from Lebron.
I hope the veteran roster beats some fucking sense into Beasely, for fucks sake. :rolleyes:
In Riley We Trust.
zooopreme
09-11-2013, 08:50 PM
Acquiring Beasley has more benefit than actual loss. If he's coming off the bench as Lebron sits out, (on paper) that's instant offense right there. I do see a problem with him playing on the defensive side which I'm sure is stressed with this Miami team.
BOROSUN
09-28-2013, 12:27 AM
lol...sell the team already.
Knicks replacing Glen Grunwald with Steve Mills shows owner James Dolan still clueless - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/lupica-knicks-gm-move-latest-proof-dolan-clue-article-1.1469096)
The legit team in NY is Brooklyn.
lol...sell the team already.
Knicks replacing Glen Grunwald with Steve Mills shows owner James Dolan still clueless - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/lupica-knicks-gm-move-latest-proof-dolan-clue-article-1.1469096)
The Knicks are starting to remind me more and more of the Jeffrey Loria run Miami Marlins. The only difference being that fans over here turn their backs at horrible owners. Knicks fans are far too loyal for their own good. If they were to make a real statement against Dolan, his power trip would end and the Knicks would be taken seriously by the basketball world...
On another note... 30 days until the NBA season begins!!! :D
fliprayzin240sx
09-29-2013, 09:48 PM
I hope the veteran roster beats some fucking sense into Beasely, for fucks sake. :rolleyes:
In Riley We Trust.
If Riley couldnt do it 2008-2010...what makes you think it'll happen 3 yrs later? I see Beasley being the NBA version of Ricky Williams...
zooopreme
09-30-2013, 09:10 AM
If Riley couldnt do it 2008-2010...what makes you think it'll happen 3 yrs later? I see Beasley being the NBA version of Ricky Williams...
I'm giving Beasley the benefit of the doubt because this Miami team is definitely a lot different than the teams in 08-10. During those times, what dominant/mature/commanding veteran presence was on that team?
Beasley is coming into a team that has had the same core of veterans for a while now. They know that a focused and engaged Beasley on the offensive end can do so much for them and relieve their stars from extended minutes so I would expect and hope that they would try to crack him some sense.
BOROSUN
09-30-2013, 10:11 PM
8 more days.
W6XhBTKA_IE
shump, metta, kmart, Pablo, Mad bison....man, im hoping they're bringing back the 90's knicks flavor.
If Riley couldnt do it 2008-2010...what makes you think it'll happen 3 yrs later? I see Beasley being the NBA version of Ricky Williams...
What I'm saying is that I'm gonna trust Riley's decisions, and at this point its pretty low risk either way...
3 weeks until the season begins
CAN'T WAIT
enkei2k
10-30-2013, 08:36 AM
Season has started guys!
:D
zooopreme
10-30-2013, 09:45 AM
Nice to see, D. Rose back! And now I wait for Kobe and Westbrook.
I've already mentally prepared for the losses the Lakers could take this season but last night was a exciting game. Who knew the bench would actually be pulling through for us.
Dutchmalmiss
10-30-2013, 10:24 AM
Nice to see, D. Rose back! And now I wait for Kobe and Westbrook.
I've already mentally prepared for the losses the Lakers could take this season but last night was a exciting game. Who knew the bench would actually be pulling through for us.
As great as Lakers bench looked last night, I can't say they'll be consistently contributing 70+ points like that all the time. But hey, this win already exceeded my expectation so who knows, haha!
acslater9
10-30-2013, 11:58 AM
I was watching the Bulls game last night and was not impressed. I loved how D.Rose got off to a great start, but he started to decline as the night progressed. In order for the Bulls to be great they need another scorer. We will never win a championship if we only have D.Rose scoring. Mike Dunleavy sucks at passing as seen last night. Found out that the Bulls suck at hitting 3's.
I know its the first game but still I'm very critical when my team plays against a good team. Lets hope they get better! :D
theronin
10-30-2013, 01:51 PM
As great as Lakers bench looked last night, I can't say they'll be consistently contributing 70+ points like that all the time. But hey, this win already exceeded my expectation so who knows, haha!
Agree, was still a nice little slap in the face to the Clippers though. Just to remind them LA is still the Lakers city. Show respect.
revat619
10-30-2013, 03:39 PM
Agree, was still a nice little slap in the face to the Clippers though. Just to remind them LA is still the Lakers city. Show respect.
Agreed.
And fwiw, Clippers need to just move to Anaheim already and stop bitching about the decor (statues and banners) in an arena that doesn't even belong to them. The multiplex that is the Staples Center and the Nokia center was the brainchild of the late Dr. Buss. Clippers don't like it? GTFO.
S14kouki_10
10-30-2013, 04:39 PM
I was watching the Bulls game last night and was not impressed. I loved how D.Rose got off to a great start, but he started to decline as the night progressed. In order for the Bulls to be great they need another scorer. We will never win a championship if we only have D.Rose scoring. Mike Dunleavy sucks at passing as seen last night. Found out that the Bulls suck at hitting 3's.
I know its the first game but still I'm very critical when my team plays against a good team. Lets hope they get better! :D
I think they have scorers. They just had a sloppy game
Do you guys think rose fell bc of cole's crossover or tripped on birdman
zooopreme
10-31-2013, 10:16 AM
That kid Klay. Always liked that guy. Nice win for the Warriors, revealing loss for the Lakers.
If any of you caught what Pau said, he hit it in the head regarding his team's play. This team is going to be fun but 80% of their games, I'll be having a heart attack.
Also, am I the only person that is a Wes Johnson apologist? This guy is really starting to look like a first round top 10 pick bust. He literally started shooting well (in the last two games) in the 4th quarter. If that guy needs 36 mins to warm up his jumper then, he better be out there shooting jumpers before the game. Ain't gotta worry about putting chapstick on your lips, man. He's not doing a terrible job on the defensive side though, he's been guarding a lot of different positions of late.
enkei2k
11-05-2013, 02:57 PM
Angry owner James Dolan wants to see less Knicks city dancers, more winning - NBA News | FOX Sports on MSN (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/angry-owner-james-dolan-wants-to-see-less-knicks-city-dancers-more-winning-110513)
The stupidity of NY starts...how stupid headlines will we have this year? :facepalm:
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