What to do when ya lost control?

[Evil Yak]

So say i'm trying to e-brake my s13 mid corner and the tail comes out.
I countersteer, and gas it, and the back end gets thrown in the opposite
direction... so naturally i countersteer again and more gas and BAM the same
thing happens... what should i be doing?
countersteer less? brake? more gas?

no lsd.. but does that matter?

[old_s13]

yeah.. real smart.. do you know what you've just done?

you've just asked advice on something from a bunch of people who the majority of, have absolutely no clue how to drive, let alone grip, let alone drift.

AND, you've asked this online.. and even if a master drifter was to come on here and explain it, you wouldnt understand it. WHY? Because its all practice, time, knowledge.. and you're not going to get that ONLINE. You cannot BUY IT NOW on ebay, nor can you go to a speed shop and special order it.

If you want to learn how to drift, practice safely and spend endless hours perfecting the technique. AND, while you're at it.. you'll need to learn the dynamics and mechanical functions of your car. THEN, maybe then.. you will be able to setup the vehicle properly AND have the skills to wield the vehicle the way you desire.

[Hawd]

You cannot BUY IT NOW on ebay, nor can you go to a speed shop and special order it.

hahaha, well put.

[matt0941]

Wow, well put. Looks like I will spend some more time on Zilvia.

[NervGS]

I used to do that in my Cadillac.

-glenn

[sykikchimp]

Classic symptoms of over-correction.

Less aggressive and smoother inputs. Smooth doesn't mean slow. You can be fast and smooth.

and always LOOK WHERE YOU WANT TO GO.

just examine how you work the controls one at a time.. throttle, brake, clutch, steering, shifting, your head, shoulders, etc.. all seperate but important motions that must be smooth and controlled.

Mike, I'd love to go head to head with you on track one day, and really school you. :whip: :D

[old_s13]

Mike, I'd love to go head to head with you on track one day, and really school you. :whip: :D

great..!

currently, my car has been converted from a 240SX Hatchback to a 240SX HatchBOX, as the entire wiring harness (engine and interior) are cut into tons of pieces and sitting inside a box next to my workbench.

If and when my car runs again, you can race me.. track, street, canyon, super touge, river, moon.. it makes no difference to me.

Why?

Because you, my friend, are the best driver in the world. :)

- m

[nightwalker]

don't fight the car. Like Sykikchimp said, look where you want to go. It's a mental thing, your body follows your eyes.

If all else fails, use the old technique, BOTH FEET IN! *clutch it, and brake it together*

[twitchy]

best thing

dont loose control

drive for the conditions

and if you do loose control, let go of the steering wheel and close your eyes!

[CanadianDrifter]

when i loose control i scream "OMG!!" and proceed to crash into whatever is infront of me. :ughd:

[Var]

no lsd.. but does that matter?


Yes it matters. If you had a 2way it would be easier to get it back again. Viscous is would also make it better than open. Open diff snaps back cause one tire gains tracion instantly rather than both tires gradually gaining it back.

[twitchy]

Yes it matters. If you had a 2way it would be easier to get it back again. Viscous is would also make it better than open. Open diff snaps back cause one tire gains tracion instantly rather than both tires gradually gaining it back.


yes amen to that!

[mistaanime]

heh go watch drift bible...learn it from the king.

[aznpoopy]

If all else fails, use the old technique, BOTH FEET IN! *clutch it, and brake it together*

good advice. if its a real emergency situation (aka not drift practice), then unless you are competent in recovery brake + clutch. classic racing mantra for new drivers; 'in a spin, both feet in.'

[adey]

I'd suggest you don't gas it again when you've already lost it, unless you know what you're doing.
When you snap oversteer (i.e. after countering, you gain traction and are thrown in the opposite direction) You want to smoothly and slowly let off the throttle while countersteering. Also, you have to get a feel of when to stop countering (i.e. when to un-counter). It sounds like you're not unwinding fast enough, and you just leave it countered, which is a good way to snap oversteer.
Make sure you're practicing where all this can occur in a safe environment, too... read: not canyons or the street. Maybe a parking lot or something.

edit:
You don't want to gas it because you'd be discouraging traction in the rear (which is what you want to straighten out)
BUT you also don't want to jam on the brakes because that'll shift more weight forward, lightening the rear and causing a spin...
Hence the recommendation that you gradually/slowly decrease get off the gas. (Suddenly letting off gas is a good way to either spin or snap oversteer -- again).

[DuffMan]

no lsd.. but does that matter?
um...

YES

[JDMark]

i say you should practice with clutch kick instead of e-brake if your starting out. you pretty much have to clutch kick anyway after you let off the e-brake, it kind of sounds like you arent doing that. just my 2 cents

-mark