Which tune is right for me?

[FourtyKid]

Yes, I've searched.

Not sure which tuning option would be better for my SR.

CP Pistons
Brian Crower Stage 2 Cams
HKS Valve Spring Retainers
ISIS header
Spectre Air Intake
Chromoly Retainers
Garrett T2871R
Megan 3" Downpipe
Greddy Underdrive Pulleys
Koyorad Big Radiator
HDI Big Intercooler
HKS SSQV BOV
Stock 370cc fuel injectors [Obviously need to upgrade, how big do I need to go?]
Minor port and polished head
Aeromotive 340lph fuel pump
Z32 MAF


Debating between Nistune and an RS-Enthalpy tune.

[OrangeVirus1]

nistune. so you can change it later when that GT2871 doesn't give the kick you're looking for

[FourtyKid]

nistune. so you can change it later when that GT2871 doesn't give the kick you're looking for

So how easy is it to tune it? Do I need a performance shop to do it?

[OrangeVirus1]

if you know how to tune no.

if you can learn how to tune no.

street tuning really isn't that hard.

you need a few things :
wideband
a way to monitor knock
laptop
a friend to make adjustments on the fly ( it's sooo much easier then logging, tuning, logging tuning logging tuning )

[Kingtal0n]

power FC boi

[4nmscle]

You haven't searched shit man. You don't even know if you need a shop to tune Nistune?? No man, you do it all via Microsoft Word...

Unless you just want to be spoon fed there is no need for this waste of space.

I can understand if it was two options in the same ball park. Your asking if you should get a $300 rom tune or a $300 daughter board installed in you ecu then tuned by someone that will most likely charge an average of $200/ hour and will take 2 to 3 hours minimum.

Should I wear a t shirt or a tank top tomorrow??

[OrangeVirus1]

200$ an hour that is getting raaaaped. i know a legit shop that charges 60$/hour tuning

[FourtyKid]

You haven't searched shit man. You don't even know if you need a shop to tune Nistune?? No man, you do it all via Microsoft Word...

Unless you just want to be spoon fed there is no need for this waste of space.

I can understand if it was two options in the same ball park. Your asking if you should get a $300 rom tune or a $300 daughter board installed in you ecu then tuned by someone that will most likely charge an average of $200/ hour and will take 2 to 3 hours minimum.

Should I wear a t shirt or a tank top tomorrow??

This is why I hate Zilvia. Everyone is an asshole. I just wanted to know what would be best for my specific setup. I have a friend that'll tune it for next to nothing, so yes, they are in the same ballpark. :cj:

Oh, and T shirt. Tank tops are for women, quidos, and white trash.

[OrangeVirus1]

This is why I hate Zilvia. Everyone is an asshole. I just wanted to know what would be best for my specific setup. I have a friend that'll tune it for next to nothing, so yes, they are in the same ballpark. :cj:

Oh, and T shirt. Tank tops are for women, quidos, and white trash.

hey I am 95% of the time not an asshole :)

[4nmscle]

You hate Zilvia due to people like you being stupid and crying about having to scroll through search results rather than get a one line answer like your expecting. Google that shit next time.

Your friend is tuning it, yet you ask us if you should tune it?

Your specific setup is nothing special. It's an sr20 with bolt ons. And once again a basic search would have given you enough info that you would still be reading and learning right now rather than bitching about the fact that noone bottle fed you..

I hate people like you who get all butt hurt when your not spoon fed. Jesus man just search.

Ultimately it is WHAT YOU WANT. There is no right or wrong way to do it. Maybe you shouldn't be building an engine period if you don't contain such basic knowledge.

[FourtyKid]

hey I am 95% of the time not an asshole :)

Yeah, you're cool, and I've met some really cool people here, mostly buying and selling, but the general community is mostly made up of jerks obsessed with "searching". :squint:

[4nmscle]

Yeah, you're cool, and I've met some really cool people here, mostly buying and selling, but the general community is mostly made up of jerks obsessed with "searching". :squint:

Jerks obsessed with not bottle feeding the community of dumb fucks who think they are too good to search. Are you above it for some special reason?

It saves space and the fact that if someone searches info on tunes this stupid shit pops up rather than valuable info THAT WOULD HAVE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION IF YOU WOULD HAVE SEARCHED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

:lockd:

[wangan_cruiser]

Yeah, you're cool, and I've met some really cool people here, mostly buying and selling, but the general community is mostly made up of jerks obsessed with "searching". :squint:

i hate people like you who dont know how to search and asking to get spoon fed.

plain and simple

[Dousan_PG]

I say pfc djetro
Buy ones cry once
U can still street tune and maybe get it dyno to fine tune it

I've been on zilvia since ~2000 (pre board overhaul in 2002). The newbs and beginner questions never go away fellas
Spoon fed? Yeah that's been on zilvia and fa since forever
Answer the q
Post a link
Save your breath

[OrangeVirus1]

I wouldn't call his setup basic SR20 with bolt on's.. the engine has been beefed, head work, pistons etc.

and He wasn't asking to be spoonfed he is just asking some god damn mother fucking opinions about tuning solutions.
If you can't add to the conversation then why the fuck even post. I tell you what I have tried searching on this forum aswell and NOBODY wants to search through 100 fucking pages to find an answer, with 20-30 threads per page, and just HOPING that thread you clicked has what you are looking for.

If I search SR20 tuning, I would be searching for 5+hours before I got any good information.

Let's all just turn Zilvia into a Search website like Nissan-google and nobody posts shit.

[4nmscle]

I wouldn't call his setup basic SR20 with bolt on's.. the engine has been beefed, head work, pistons etc.

and He wasn't asking to be spoonfed he is just asking some god damn mother fucking opinions about tuning solutions.

Let's all just turn Zilvia into a Search website like Nissan-google, and everyone stay quiet right

If I had a dollar for everytime someone called you a fucking idiot I would be rich. Pretty sure several people have your stupid ass quoted for humorous signatures.

And no, we would all talk about the shit THAT CAN'T BE FOUND BY DOING A BASIC SEARCH.





What color car is best???

[OrangeVirus1]

Yeah.. if Rich to you is like 4$..

I just searched " SR20 tuning" And I got a whole bunch of Shit, For sale threads, chat threads, small question thread..

you really expect someone to go through 400+ threads?

[4nmscle]

Yeah.. if Rich to you is like 4$..

I just searched " SR20 tuning" And I got a whole bunch of Shit, For sale threads, chat threads, small question thread..

you really expect someone to go through 400+ threads?

Anyone with a desire to learn, yes.

And congrats on the 3 minute search..

And more like 400. Your a moron. Every thread I see your name in you are informed of your stupidity. Shall I dig up some to prove a point??

[OrangeVirus1]

Anyone with a desire to learn, yes.

And congrats on the 3 minute search..

And more like 400. Your a moron. Every thread I see your name in you are informed of your stupidity. Shall I dig up some to prove a point??

you're.

ok my very first few threads here when I knew absolutely nothing about nissans AT ALL. .yeah I was.

congratulations bro

[Matej]

Nismotronic. Great price, great customer service, and very user-friendly.
http://www.nismotronic.com

[4nmscle]

you're.

ok my very first few threads here when I knew absolutely nothing about nissans AT ALL. .yeah I was.

congratulations bro

Are you correcting my grammar??? Yea "congratulations bro" on your horrible sentence structure and improper use of punctuation. My god you dig a better hole than a shovel...

BTW, you still know nothing.

Matej, I have been researching the Ntronic and I am definitely impressed. Seems to be way more of a FWD brand for the most part.

[OrangeVirus1]

Are you correcting my grammar??? Yea "congratulations bro" on your horrible sentence structure and improper use of punctuation. My god you dig a better hole than a shovel...

BTW, you still know nothing.

Matej, I have been researching the Ntronic and I am definitely impressed. Seems to be way more of a FWD brand for the most part.



BTW you aint no genius either bro:snoop:

bro
bro
bro

[FourtyKid]

i hate people like you who dont know how to search and asking to get spoon fed.

plain and simple

http://i.imgur.com/GctA8.gif

I wouldn't call his setup basic SR20 with bolt on's.. the engine has been beefed, head work, pistons etc.

and He wasn't asking to be spoonfed he is just asking some god damn mother fucking opinions about tuning solutions.
If you can't add to the conversation then why the fuck even post. I tell you what I have tried searching on this forum aswell and NOBODY wants to search through 100 fucking pages to find an answer, with 20-30 threads per page, and just HOPING that thread you clicked has what you are looking for.

If I search SR20 tuning, I would be searching for 5+hours before I got any good information.

Let's all just turn Zilvia into a Search website like Nissan-google and nobody posts shit.


Thank you. This place is a fucking graveyard of 5 year old threads with just enough information to not answer my questions.


Nismotronic. Great price, great customer service, and very user-friendly.
NismoTronic (http://www.nismotronic.com)


Cool, I'll look into this as well.

[4nmscle]

Virus, stfu.

OP, honestly, I think you should just get a rom tune. I really don't think there is a need for the real time tune and squeezing every ounce out of a sub 400hp engine. The rom tune will work great, is very cost effective and if you change things up you can get a retune chip sent to you for a Franklin.

I use a JWT 700hp program rom tune on a 500+whp sr with a 62mm turbo and even I don't feel the need for the trouble of real time just yet. The MAF setup adapts well to weather changes as well as setup changes. Literally anything this side of a compression or injector change is taken care of by the MAF. Different turbo, more boost, different IC, different cams, anything you would want to upgrade doesn't require a trip to a dyno.

And there is no ball and chain keeping you here. If you feel it's such a shit house around here, feel free to find a new forum..

[Frank_Jaeger]

Nistuuuuuuuune.

Nistuuuuuuuuuuuuuuune. I eat that shit for breakfast. Every day. No milk.

4nmuscle you're trying too hard. Just because you see jaded ass premium members bitch all day about how lazy ass newbs are ruining zilvia doesn't mean you need to do it too. Although it does seem to be some sort of initiation ritual.

[4nmscle]

EDIT: Frank Jager is a fucking moron....

[FourtyKid]

Virus, stfu.

OP, honestly, I think you should just get a rom tune. I really don't think there is a need for the real time tune and squeezing every ounce out of a sub 400hp engine. The rom tune will work great, is very cost effective and if you change things up you can get a retune chip sent to you for a Franklin.

I use a JWT 700hp program rom tune on a 500+whp sr with a 62mm turbo and even I don't feel the need for the trouble of real time just yet. The MAF setup adapts well to weather changes as well as setup changes. Literally anything this side of a compression or injector change is taken care of by the MAF. Different turbo, more boost, different IC, different cams, anything you would want to upgrade doesn't require a trip to a dyno.

And there is no ball and chain keeping you here. If you feel it's such a shit house around here, feel free to find a new forum..


Thank you, this is the info I needed. I didn't know the MAF adapted like that, cool.

[Frank_Jaeger]

Virus, stfu.

OP, honestly, I think you should just get a rom tune. I really don't think there is a need for the real time tune and squeezing every ounce out of a sub 400hp engine. The rom tune will work great, is very cost effective and if you change things up you can get a retune chip sent to you for a Franklin.

I use a JWT 700hp program rom tune on a 500+whp sr with a 62mm turbo and even I don't feel the need for the trouble of real time just yet. The MAF setup adapts well to weather changes as well as setup changes. Literally anything this side of a compression or injector change is taken care of by the MAF. Different turbo, more boost, different IC, different cams, anything you would want to upgrade doesn't require a trip to a dyno.

And there is no ball and chain keeping you here. If you feel it's such a shit house around here, feel free to find a new forum..
you do not need to be giving tuning advice to anyone. jesus christ.

edit: too fucking late. don't listen to this asshole, the maf doesnt 'adapt' for shit. that guy's running a mismatched halfass tune and is asking for trouble all over.

[FourtyKid]

you do not need to be giving tuning advice to anyone. jesus christ.

edit: too fucking late. don't listen to this asshole, the maf doesnt 'adapt' for shit. that guy's running a mismatched halfass tune and is asking for trouble all over.

Ok, so he's wrong. Why Nistune over the others? That Nismotronic looks pretty awesome.

[4nmscle]

Thank you, this is the info I needed. I didn't know the MAF adapted like that, cool.

VERY versatile. Very simple and effective. Depending on where you live, summer to winter can cause some slight offsets with MAP tunes, granted Nistune uses a maf, the rom tunes are just so easy and SAFE. Until you start making crazy power there really isn't much reason for real time tuning to the ragged edge. A bad batch of gas and a hot summer day could turn into a nightmare. And all for what? MAYBE 30whp.. That is 30hp none the less, but it's just not worth the extra hassle to me. Just my opinion and of course everyone has one, but why even deal with sending your ecu off for a daughter board, sending it off for a base tune, driving to your tuner, paying him, then the actual tuning and right back you go if your setup changes.

With Enthalpy or JWT you just plug it up and go. As long as injectors stay the same you have nothing to worry about. Low boost, high boost, hot weather, cold weather, upgrades, you name it. And let me stress SAFE.

[4nmscle]

you do not need to be giving tuning advice to anyone. jesus christ.

edit: too fucking late. don't listen to this asshole, the maf doesnt 'adapt' for shit. that guy's running a mismatched halfass tune and is asking for trouble all over.

Are you fucking stupid? Research a fucking rom tune dumb ass. You don't have to change a JWT ATALL for ANYTHING except injectors or specialties like launch control and speed limit.

How much power does your shit box make there champ?

[4nmscle]

you do not need to be giving tuning advice to anyone. jesus christ.

edit: too fucking late. don't listen to this asshole, the maf doesnt 'adapt' for shit. that guy's running a mismatched halfass tune and is asking for trouble all over.

Goddamn you have got under my skin punk. Please show me one FUCKING PAGE that says you have to retune for ANYTHING except injector or maf change. JWT and Enthalpy dont even ask what turbo you run. They ask OCTANE, INJECTORS, AND MAF. That's it. So stfu and post up some numbers big boy. I'm anxious to see how your ride stacks up.

[OrangeVirus1]

Yeah I didn't want to say, but Relying on the maf to tune "any part" is asking to get your shit blown up. Don't list to that guy at all. Mafs freaking suck, they are are 0-5volt and can only give the ecu "loads" depending on the voltage. guess what.. if you max it out at 5 volts.. the ecu won't correct any further even though it might be getting way more airflow.


Maf's read airflow, and air temp ( if it has an air temp sensor ) and the ecu controls Fuel trims and timing based on load calculations from the maf among other things.

Another thing, the maf doesn't Doesn't compensate anything for weather.. The maf Doesn't do shit except send the ecu a voltage reading. the ecu does all the "compensating." and the Ecu relys on the intake air temp sensor to adjust timing for cold weather...

a hot summer day and bad gas, with the right tune you shouldn't have a bad day. the ecu can and should properly compensate for any knock detection.
and About the summer to winter MAP readings.. we are talking very minimal Kpa differences.. not very noticeable at all unless you live in high elevation.


and mafs can be EASILY tricked. the voltage is based on velocity of the air, and it is very easy, just by placement, orientation, pipe diameter size etc to trick a maf.

If you swap to a bigger turbo and hope your maf compensates and you don't have to retune.. chalk it up as a loss.


as long as the injectors stay the same...because as long as the fuel trims are right, then the tune is spot on? you're retarded.

[Tempo]

lets make more threads of the same topic !! :fruit:

http://i.imgur.com/vM59h29.jpg

[4nmscle]

Yeah I didn't want to say, but Relying on the maf to tune "any part" is asking to get your shit blown up. Don't list to that guy at all. Mafs freaking suck, they are are 0-5volt and can only give the ecu "loads" depending on the voltage. guess what.. if you max it out at 5 volts.. the ecu won't correct any further even though it might be getting way more airflow.


Maf's read airflow, and air temp ( if it has an air temp sensor ) and the ecu controls Fuel trims and timing based on load calculations from the maf among other things.

Another thing, the maf doesn't Doesn't compensate anything for weather.. The maf Doesn't do shit except send the ecu a voltage reading. the ecu does all the "compensating." and the Ecu relys on the intake air temp sensor to adjust timing for cold weather...

and mafs can be EASILY tricked.

If you swap to a bigger turbo and hope your maf compensates and you don't have to retune.. chalk it up as a loss.


Yea mafs suck. Thats why every fucking factory car on earth is produced using them. Orange virus I know your car is a fucking pile so don't even start. I'm still waiting on even a picture from either of your two clowns showing your half assed shit.

I can post my receipts for $12k under the hood right now and we can see who has their green paper right.

[Frank_Jaeger]

Ok, so he's wrong. Why Nistune over the others?
Nistune supports real time editing and map tracing. The software's easy to use, and if you do proper research (as in, not making a thread like this), you can learn to tune yourself. At least I'm assuming you're capable. I come from a background in computer programming, I have a very aggressive desire to learn how systems work, and I'm moderately intelligent.

There's no waiting on mail-order tunes which are always rough tunes and only serve as a starting point for a vehicle. With rom tunes, every time you make a significant* change, you need to retune which entails burning endless roms if you do it yourself. With Nistune you cando it yourself in real time.

*here significant includes but is not limited to, changes in injector size, maf type, blowthrough / drawthrough changes, turbo type, octane used / e85 if applicable, cams, piston compression ratio, cylinder bore, headwork, intake / exhaust manifolds used, etc etc etc etc etccccccc

[4nmscle]

Chalk it up a loss... LMAO.

My 6th turbo. Mitchell Racing built shortblock. From s15 t28 to precision t2 gt30, to 2871, to PTE 5858, to 6262, to a 6266 still going hard.

What the fuck are you driving again Virus. A 250hp pile of shit? Amirite??

[4nmscle]

OP, look up Codyace's setup. If you want 400hp then point proven. /thread

[OrangeVirus1]

Chalk it up a loss... LMAO.

My 6th turbo. Mitchell Racing built shortblock. From s15 t28 to precision t2 gt30, to 2871, to PTE 5858, to 6262, to a 6266 still going hard.

What the fuck are you driving again Virus. A 250hp pile of shit? Amirite??

try again dude. my Shell is a pos, but under the hood, I think I'll take you :)
I have plenty of $$ under my hood too you.

I'm just going to say this, if you Choose MAF over MAP for boost tuning, when you have the option to use MAP, you're a fucking retarded retard from retard land.

and if you think Cars are being made with MAF's for performance.. you're a fucking retarded retard from retard land. they are making them for MPG because you can get very accurate airflow readings when it is setup correctly and with perfect readings + 0/0 STFT/LTFT you get good MPG OMFG

Because guess what happens when you hit 5 volts on the MAF... uh oh ECU is blind
and another thing.. change the injectors your tune is useless, change the maf your tune is useless.

[4nmscle]

[QUOTE=Frank_Jaeger;5204521 With rom tunes, every time you make a significant* change, you need to retune which entails burning endless roms if you do it yourself. With Nistune you cando it yourself in real time[/QUOTE]

Please show me one ROM company that asks for turbo used.. This is absolutely retarded. Cams, bore size, exhaust??? ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?? REALLLY???

[4nmscle]

try again dude. my Shell is a pos, but under the hood, I think I'll take you :)

I'm just going to say this, if you Choose MAF over MAP for boost tuning, when you have the option to use MAP, you're a fucking retarded retard from retard land.

Because guess what happens when you hit 5 volts on the MAF... uh oh ECU is blind


HAHAHAHAHAHA really? IDK what the fuck you are talking about you stupid mofo. My shit goes 6.60's in the 1/8...

Can you read that for me? 6.6's in the 1/8!! Ten second car bitch. Keep trying...

[Frank_Jaeger]

Are you fucking stupid? Research a fucking rom tune dumb ass. You don't have to change a JWT ATALL for ANYTHING except injectors or specialties like launch control and speed limit.

How much power does your shit box make there champ?
JWT is psychic and can provide a spot on ROM tune for your setup without being severely overly conservative from hundreds of miles away? Do you care about the longevity of your engine? Maximum performance? Neither? Then again, why bother when you can just throw 12k under the hood, am I right? Who gives a shit if you're not utilizing all of your power and get a shitty spool because your maps are all off. Show us the receipts.

[Frank_Jaeger]

Chalk it up a loss... LMAO.

My 6th turbo. Mitchell Racing built shortblock. From s15 t28 to precision t2 gt30, to 2871, to PTE 5858, to 6262, to a 6266 still going hard.

What the fuck are you driving again Virus. A 250hp pile of shit? Amirite??
You've never had to retune?

[OrangeVirus1]

HAHAHAHAHAHA really? IDK what the fuck you are talking about you stupid mofo. My shit goes 6.60's in the 1/8...

Can you read that for me? 6.6's in the 1/8!! Ten second car bitch. Keep trying...

OMFG in the 1/8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!


Do you even own a wideband? or know what a wideband is..

what AFR's you run in boost.. sorry Air to fuel ratio.. Or Lambda.

How much timing are you running at full boost @ redline?

What is your KR ??

How are you tuning for quicket spool up? lean Wot or rich wot + advanced or retarded timing?

you don't fucking know tuning noob.

[4nmscle]

Edit. Fuck it.

[4nmscle]

OMFG in the 1/8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!


Do you even own a wideband? or know what a wideband is..

what AFR's you run in boost.. sorry Air to fuel ratio.. Or Lambda.

How much timing are you running at full boost @ redline?

What is your KR ??

How are you tuning for quicket spool up? lean Wot or rich wot + advanced or retarded timing?

you don't fucking know tuning noob.

Do you really think I'm using a factory fucking knock sensor to record knock on a factory ecu you fucking idiot.

11.4 in boost..

Just shut the fuck up virus. Just get the fuck out of here. You are a fucking idiot man.

[FourtyKid]

Quote:

Originally Posted by FourtyKid

Ok, so he's wrong. Why Nistune over the others?

Nistune supports real time editing and map tracing. The software's easy to use, and if you do proper research (as in, not making a thread like this), you can learn to tune yourself. At least I'm assuming you're capable. I come from a background in computer programming, I have a very aggressive desire to learn how systems work, and I'm moderately intelligent.

There's no waiting on mail-order tunes which are always rough tunes and only serve as a starting point for a vehicle. With rom tunes, every time you make a significant* change, you need to retune which entails burning endless roms if you do it yourself. With Nistune you cando it yourself in real time.

*here significant includes but is not limited to, changes in injector size, maf type, blowthrough / drawthrough changes, turbo type, octane used / e85 if applicable, cams, piston compression ratio, cylinder bore, headwork, intake / exhaust manifolds used, etc etc etc etc etccccccc

Yeah I have some programming experience and I'm very good with computers so I'm sure I can figure it out. So now I'm looking at Nistune vs Nismotronic. Which costs less with everything I'll need? (Just wondering, not influencing my decision)

What the fuck are you driving again Virus. A 250hp pile of shit? Amirite??

It doesn't matter what everybody drives, they're answering a question; only their knowledge on the subject matters now. Go watch The Fast and the Furious.


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[OrangeVirus1]

Congratz dude. 14k$ in mods and you Don't even know shit about tuning. Your car is probably seeing so much detonation and the ecu is retarding timing like hell just to keep the rods from blowing holes in your block.



LOL 11.4 in boost now i KNOW YOU ARE RETARDED
LOL 11.4 in boost now I KNOW YOU ARE RETARDED
LOL

[4nmscle]

Edit. no longer worth it. Too many mouth breathers.

[OrangeVirus1]

11.4 in boost.. Please go fucking learn how to tune

[4nmscle]

11.4 afr in boost....

Goddamn you are stupid son of a bitch man. I give up. You win. Just shut the fuck up.

[OrangeVirus1]

yes dude 11.4 in boost YOU ARE RETARDED GO LEARN HOW TO TUNE.

Trying to richen it up to prevent knock because you don't know how to really fucking tune?

or just too dumb to know AFR's for power in boost?

or just choose 11's because google told you too?

[4nmscle]

ITS A GODDAMN ROM TUNE. I DON'T DO ANYTHING TO IT MOTHER FUCKER!!!

Please you fucking pro tell me what your afr is in boost. Please god tell me.

[4nmscle]

Go learn how to tune.... Jesus christ this proves your a fucking inbred mouth breather.

It is a ROM TUNE. get it that time? It is a ROM TUNE.

[Frank_Jaeger]

Scan the receipts. It's pretty fucking obvious to anyone you don't know what you're talking about. You expect tuning companies to produce PROPER tunes with nothing more than generic injector and universal maf data. You fail to grasp why setup dynamics can't simply be divulged over an email to be factored into a tune. I'll give you a hint, just because it can't be done effectively doesn't mean it's not important. You seem to think it's a good idea to spend an alleged $14k in parts only to get a base rom tune that's given to everyone with your same basic paramters. I really hope you're lying your ass off, for the sake of your setup.

[4nmscle]

Your right Frank. Some how with me being the only person on earth to buy from JWT, they are still in business. You are right my friend. Carry on.

[OrangeVirus1]

ITS A GODDAMN ROM TUNE. I DON'T DO ANYTHING TO IT MOTHER FUCKER!!!

Please you fucking pro tell me what your afr is in boost. Please god tell me.

because you don't know god damn shit about tuning and rely on a little fucking chip to do the "tuning" for you.


Tune for 12.4-12.6 AFR @ full boost. Richer than 12.0 is wasting gas, leaner than 12.6 elevates cylinder temps too much.


Go fucking learn how to tune before you tell someone how to fucking tune.

OP don't listen to shit 4nmscle is saying. unless you want a blown engine, blown ring lands, etc.

[4nmscle]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.


12.6 for a boosted application??? Holeeeee fucking shit I'm quoting this for zilvia to see. THANK YOU ASS HAT!! :D

He's right OP!! I'm running so rich I might blow. Take his advice and lean your shit out to 12.6. That shit will run GREAT!!

[Frank_Jaeger]

Yeah I have some programming experience and I'm very good with computers so I'm sure I can figure it out. So now I'm looking at Nistune vs Nismotronic. Which costs less with everything I'll need? (Just wondering, not influencing my decision)



It doesn't matter what everybody drives, they're answering a question; only their knowledge on the subject matters now. Go watch The Fast and the Furious.


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i should probably get the android app. i upgraded my droid 4 to ICS and the physical keyboard isnt working right in the browser.

I believe Nistune does. i looked at Nismotronic in the past and was swayed in favor of Nistune. i don't remember what my exact reasoning was, but I trust my forgotten judgement.

with Nistune you can get the package (board, software, and cable), which is everything you need. the board will need to be soldered by someone with experience onto your existing ECU expansion header. the cable is a good investment, simply because other brand cables sometimes have trouble working with nistune, and that's what you'll use for monitoring / changing data and tracing. the software license is necessary too, obviously.

[OrangeVirus1]

Quote that shit AND go learn you fucking tard. Go learn REAL TUNING not fucking backyard Richen it up because I don't know how to tune tuning.



and if you didn't know that .85 lambda gasoline ( 12.5 AFR ) for boost + proper timing will make serious power... well GO FUCKING LEARN HOW TO TUNE
Just because you don't know proper tuning for maximum lean power, doesn't make everyone else the idiot, it makes you the idiot.

[4nmscle]

Look you stupid fucking kid. It's a rom tune. How many times to I have to tell your stupid fucking ass that it is a ROM TUNE. I don't DO SHIT TO THE TUNE. IT IS A ROOOOOMMMMM TUUUUNNNNNE. I'm not even mad anymore man lol. I just can't wait to bring this shit up in every thread you post.

[OrangeVirus1]

bring it up. Bring up that I said 12.4-6 AFR in boost. and watch your ass get clowned by people with real knowledge.

And it's a ROM TUNE. got it. YOU DIDN'T TUNE IT. SO WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU GIVING TUNING ADVICE

I am willing to bet money I can make more power with less boost on your exact same setup then you with Max-lean AFR.

go fucking learn seriously.

[4nmscle]

i should probably get the android app. i upgraded my droid 4 to ICS and the physical keyboard isnt working right in the browser.

I believe Nistune does. i looked at Nismotronic in the past and was swayed in favor of Nistune. i don't remember what my exact reasoning was, but I trust my forgotten judgement.

with Nistune you can get the package (board, software, and cable), which is everything you need. the board will need to be soldered by someone with experience onto your existing ECU expansion header. the cable is a good investment, simply because other brand cables sometimes have trouble working with nistune, and that's what you'll use for monitoring / changing data and tracing. the software license is necessary too, obviously.

No jellybean for the 4?

I'll agree Nistune is better, but dudes beating up on rom tunes is just so biased. Do you seriously think any car running a rom tune at 400whp levels will blow up?? Have you heard of Codyace or his massive following??

Anyways, OP, Frank is right as far as the tuneability with Nistune. But don't be fooled into thinking that ROM tunes just don't work. A basic search will show plenty of members using them.

If you have the money, go real time. If you don't, research a little more on rom tunes and find the real truth behind them.

[Frank_Jaeger]

Your right Frank. Some how with me being the only person on earth to buy from JWT, they are still in business. You are right my friend. Carry on.
We're not arguing the merit of JWT. in fact I love JWT. i have their s1 cams and gears. you're starting to detract from the actual argument at hand because you have no footing. a lot of people buy rom tunes. a lot of people also piece together random parts and slap some unknown tune on top with a safc and wonder what went wrong.

If I were going to get a rom tune, I would go with JWT without even thinking about it. however ROM tunes are somewhere between someone using a SAFC and someone getting a proper dyno or street tune. this guy's asking about which is better,rom unes or nistune, and nistune is infinitely better if tuned properly. also you cannot rely on a tune (or MAF lol) to absorb major changes you make. if it's that conservative, you're wasting a fuckton of your engine / setup's potential, otherwise you're probably knocking.

[OrangeVirus1]

No jellybean for the 4?

I'll agree Nistune is better, but dudes beating up on rom tunes is just so biased. Do you seriously think any car running a rom tune at 400whp levels will blow up?? Have you heard of Codyace or his massive following??

Anyways, OP, Frank is right as far as the tuneability with Nistune. But don't be fooled into thinking that ROM tunes just don't work. A basic search will show plenty of members using them.

If you have the money, go real time. If you don't, research a little more on rom tunes and find the real truth behind them.

OP don't listen to this clown.

get a rom tune, and hope for the best.

or get nistune and know what the fuck your ecu is doing at all times.

[4nmscle]

bring it up. Bring up that I said 12.4-6 AFR in boost. and watch your ass get clowned by people with real knowledge.

And it's a ROM TUNE. got it. YOU DIDN'T TUNE IT. SO WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU GIVING TUNING ADVICE

I am willing to bet money I can make more power with less boost on your exact same setup then you with Max-lean AFR.

go fucking learn seriously.

I gave my results of using a rom tune. I never once gave advice on actual real time tuning. Do you realize how fucking retarded you are? Do you realize that 12.6 afr's are ideal for N/A cars and 11.7 is for boost? You didn't, and you still don't and boy let me tell you something, Ive been around this block and I don't think you realize what the fuck you are saying. My knowledge far exceeds yours. What is funny is that under another account you have thanked me multiple times and agreed with me, you just don't realize who I am yet. Keep it up though kid. ;)

[4nmscle]

We're not arguing the merit of JWT. in fact I love JWT. i have their s1 cams and gears. you're starting to detract from the actual argument at hand because you have no footing. a lot of people buy rom tunes. a lot of people also piece together random parts and slap some unknown tune on top with a safc and wonder what went wrong.

If I were going to get a rom tune, I would go with JWT without even thinking about it. however ROM tunes are somewhere between someone using a SAFC and someone getting a proper dyno or street tune. this guy's asking about which is better,rom unes or nistune, and nistune is infinitely better if tuned properly. also you cannot rely on a tune (or MAF lol) to absorb major changes you make. if it's that conservative, you're wasting a fuckton of your engine / setup's potential, otherwise you're probably knocking.

If you knew anything about JWT you would know that they do not ask for a mother fucking thing except Maf, injectors, compression, and octane. PERIOD. give them a call if your so sure they tune for cams and this and that bullshit. You are flat out wrong. I have had many many conversations with Ben and Clark at JWT.

I never argued a ROM BETTER overall, but for simplicity for a "moderate" horsepower level, it is a VERY effective option and the price can not be beat.

I'm done wasting breath. You two just want to duke it out over an opinion.

[Frank_Jaeger]

No jellybean for the 4?

I'll agree Nistune is better, but dudes beating up on rom tunes is just so biased. Do you seriously think any car running a rom tune at 400whp levels will blow up?? Have you heard of Codyace or his massive following??

Anyways, OP, Frank is right as far as the tuneability with Nistune. But don't be fooled into thinking that ROM tunes just don't work. A basic search will show plenty of members using them.

If you have the money, go real time. If you don't, research a little more on rom tunes and find the real truth behind them.
i had to flash my phone to stock in order the get the OTA update. it only took me about a year to get around to it, lol. i just checked and i do have jellybean. i remember applying a minor update after ICS, didn't even think about it. honestly i miss gingerbread. it seemed to utilize less resources, although I have yet to strip out bloat and unnecessary startup services.

[OrangeVirus1]

yeah 12.6 is For boost too genius.

Fucking look it up.

You don't even understand the difference between NA afr's and boost AFR's .. You are not making it richer to be safer you are only adding the same necessary amount needed for the extra air. the exact same way you would in an NA engine.
12.6 TRUE afr in boost = same amount of fuel to air RATIO as 12.6 AFR NA




Go fucking look it up seriously I mean god damn you are retarded. 12.6 AFR @ full boost will make you Maximum lean power guaranteed.
please, take 5 minutes and look it up. and then slap yourself.

IN BOOST GO LOOK IT UP. USE GOOGLE TO LEARN INSTEAD OF FOR YOUR ARGUMENTS

[4nmscle]

Just one more thing actually. Frank you don't sound to bad, seem to know your shit and I have no prior knowledge of you being a fucking retard so just one simple question and I will let this die.

Read my signature and tell this fucking Virus what you think about 12.6 at WOT in a boosted application. Make my fucking day.

[4nmscle]

i had to flash my phone to stock in order the get the OTA update. it only took me about a year to get around to it, lol. i just checked and i do have jellybean. i remember applying a minor update after ICS, didn't even think about it. honestly i miss gingerbread. it seemed to utilize less resources, although I have yet to strip out bloat and unnecessary startup services.

I just froze most of the bloat ware. I think some of the shit they bloat with now you can't actually get rid of. Gingerbread's UI was way more friendly in my opinion, but jelly bean is pretty nice.

[OrangeVirus1]

For maximum lean power. make my fucking day. I'll start pulling up articles if need be
( that is assuming all other aspects are correct, valve timing, ignition timing etc )

[4nmscle]

yeah 12.6 is For boost too genius.

Fucking look it up.

You don't even understand the difference between NA afr's and boost AFR's .. You are not making it richer to be safer you are only adding the same necessary amount needed for the extra air. the exact same way you would in an NA engine.
12.6 TRUE afr in boost = same amount of fuel to air RATIO as 12.6 AFR NA




Go fucking look it up seriously I mean god damn you are retarded. 12.6 AFR @ full boost will make you Maximum lean power guaranteed.
please, take 5 minutes and look it up. and then slap yourself.

IN BOOST GO LOOK IT UP. USE GOOGLE TO LEARN INSTEAD OF FOR YOUR ARGUMENTS

Hahahah. Alright man. Whatever you say.

I like your sig..

[Frank_Jaeger]

I gave my results of using a rom tune. I never once gave advice on actual real time tuning. Do you realize how fucking retarded you are? Do you realize that 12.6 afr's are ideal for N/A cars and 11.7 is for boost? You didn't, and you still don't and boy let me tell you something, Ive been around this block and I don't think you realize what the fuck you are saying. My knowledge far exceeds yours. What is funny is that under another account you have thanked me multiple times and agreed with me, you just don't realize who I am yet. Keep it up though kid. ;)
is this your banned aggressive and angry arctic alter ego? relax bro.

i'm pretty much done with this discussion. i have to work in 4 hours for 12 hours. gonna be funnnnnnnn.

OP, do more research and make INFORMED decisions about everything you do. also just because you know a little about programming, doesn't mean you can tune. you need to learn alot about how a turbo engine works. once you've got the theory done, and you've read experiences and trstimonials, you can move on to getting your feet wet. nistune has documentation on their website (beginners guides and the like) that can assist you. $450 some might seem like a lot, but I think it's worth it.

[OrangeVirus1]

look. if you really have 14k$ worth of engine and rely on a rom tune. Seriously just don't ever attempt to give anyone advice about tuning ever. ever.
if you rely on your MAF to do adjustments for you for weather,turbo etc. Dont ever.. ever fucking ever give tuning advice.
If you think 11.4:1 afr in boost is a good thing, dont ever give someone tuning advice.

Another thing. Go learn about maximum lean power in boost.

[4nmscle]

This is my retards should be shot in the mouth ego. You should actually let it go. I've given you the chance to lay the fuck off and act civil.

12.6 afr's in boost it is OP. That's all you need to know.

[Frank_Jaeger]

Just one more thing actually. Frank you don't sound to bad, seem to know your shit and I have no prior knowledge of you being a fucking retard so just one simple question and I will let this die.

Read my signature and tell this fucking Virus what you think about 12.6 at WOT in a boosted application. Make my fucking day.
Under WOT under boost 11.8 is about ideal. Just under 12 really. 12.6 is too lean.

I think I'm acting pretty civil. I will throw a shit fit though when people suggest MAFs can somehow account for setup changes. Sorry man, I can't condone giving someone new that sort of advice. They're going to blow their shit up because they think their now defunct (or possibly already defunct) tune is somehow safe.

[OrangeVirus1]

gurantee you I can take your exact same setup and tune for 12.6 and smoke your fucking car.

in the 1/8th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[OrangeVirus1]

Under WOT under boost 11.8 is about ideal. Just under 12 really.

And who or what made you think this is the ideal AFR for maximum power?

I can guarantee you under 12.0 you are wasting gas. and there is such a thing as TOO RICH detonation.

[4nmscle]

look. if you really have 14k$ worth of engine and rely on a rom tune. Seriously just don't ever attempt to give anyone advice about tuning ever. ever.
if you rely on your MAF to do adjustments for you for weather,turbo etc. Dont ever.. ever fucking ever give tuning advice.
If you think 11.4:1 afr in boost is a good thing, dont ever give someone tuning advice.

Another thing. Go learn about maximum lean power in boost.

Go learn about tuning to MAX POWERS BRA and what happens when you detonate to a bad tank of gas or a hot day. I can not believe you are so fucking dumb that you are accusing me of the very retarded words that come from your blow hole.

Seriously, tuning for max LEAN power is better than being a little rich?? Man you just keep making yourself look good.

Expect this shit to be thrown in your face every chance possible. Easily enough quotes from your mouth to embarrass you for a month after you finally get a clue.

[4nmscle]

And who or what made you think this is the ideal AFR for maximum power?

I can guarantee you under 12.0 you are wasting gas. and there is such a thing as RICH detonation.

He's right you fucking moron. Actually 11.7 is "spot on" for boosted apps. You are a fucking nut job if you think your ring lands aren't gone at 12.7 with 20+lbs of boost.

Read that shit twice man. Now you know something..

[4nmscle]

gurantee you I can take your exact same setup and tune for 12.6 and smoke your fucking car.

in the 1/8th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course you can. You admitted you were a fucking idiot exactly 2.5 months ago. Now you are the Nissan god.

Want me to show you a few members who's sig is a quote from the Virus himself: "I'm a fucking idiot"???

[OrangeVirus1]

Like I said, with prope tuning a bad tank of gas is going to do nothing but slow you down.
Do you know why? your ecu would pick up the detonation and retard timing accordingly.

I mean jesus fuck.. pick up a book about tuning.

If you know how to fucking tune, yes tuning for maximum lean hp will not only make your car faster, but more efficient with quicker spooling, faster acceleration, more maximum torque..

Nissan god? I don't know much about nissans. But I do know tuning.

and NO 11.7 IS NOT TRY AGAIN.

Go get FORMAL knowledge not forum spread knowledge.

and I said that because I got so much hate for choosing an RB20.

[4nmscle]

And who or what made you think this is the ideal AFR for maximum power?

I can guarantee you under 12.0 you are wasting gas. and there is such a thing as TOO RICH detonation.


quoted before you edit it...

[OrangeVirus1]

I won't edit shit. because I stand behind what I am talking about when it comes to tuning.

If you think you NEED to be at 11.7 or lower in AFR, you are tuning WRONG.

quote that motherfucker.

and I never said 12.7:1 afr. not once.

[4nmscle]

Like I said, with prope tuning a bad tank of gas is going to do nothing but slow you down.
Do you know why? your ecu would pick up the detonation and retard timing accordingly.

I mean jesus fuck.. pick up a book about tuning.

If you know how to fucking tune, yes tuning for maximum lean hp will not only make your car faster, but more efficient with quicker spooling, faster acceleration, more maximum torque..

Nissan god? I don't know much about nissans. But I do know tuning.

and NO 11.7 IS NOT TRY AGAIN.


Go get FORMAL knowledge not forum spread knowledge.

and I said that because I got so much hate for choosing an RB20.

haha quoted yet again. Fuck this is good!!

You do know that relying on the factory knock sensor is a joke right?? Tuners actually listen for it, yes that's right, they listen for knock. Not read it off a fucking joke factory sensor that picks up bumps in the road more than detonation itself. Lol

Give me some more advice please. I am staying up late just for this!

[4nmscle]

I won't edit shit. because I stand behind what I am talking about when it comes to tuning.

If you think you NEED to be at 11.7 or lower in AFR, you are tuning WRONG.

quote that motherfucker.

and I never said 12.7:1 afr. not once.

WHoa whoa, 12.6:1... my bad dude.

quoted! :)

[Frank_Jaeger]

Like I said, with prope tuning a bad tank of gas is going to do nothing but slow you down.
Do you know why? your ecu would pick up the detonation and retard timing accordingly.

I mean jesus fuck.. pick up a book about tuning.

If you know how to fucking tune, yes tuning for maximum lean hp will not only make your car faster, but more efficient with quicker spooling, faster acceleration, more maximum torque..

Nissan god? I don't know much about nissans. But I do know tuning.

and NO 11.7 IS NOT TRY AGAIN.

Go get FORMAL knowledge not forum spread knowledge.

and I said that because I got so much hate for choosing an RB20.
The factory knock sensor is ineffective and poor insurance against knocking. A car detonating under load will blow the welds off the intake manifold in short order.

EDIT: Beat me to it. Det cans reign supreme.

[OrangeVirus1]

haha quoted yet again. Fuck this is good!!

You do know that relying on the factory knock sensor is a joke right?? Tuners actually listen for it, yes that's right, they listen for knock. Not read it off a fucking joke factory sensor that picks up bumps in the road more than detonation itself. Lol

Give me some more advice please. I am staying up late just for this!

yes I know tuners can listen for knock. and not with the factory sensor. there are many different ways to listen/log knock.

I stand behind what I say. 12.6 @ full boost for maximum lean power.

I bet you don't even know what knock sounds like.

have you ever tuned anything in your life before? no. ROM TUNES ROM TUNES OMFG ROM TUNES

I awas never talking about relying on a factory knock sensor.

[4nmscle]

Haha, just acting like a 14 year now man. Oh well, you'll regret it.

12.6 it is. Too bad you didn't take your own advice and google this...

Looks like Frank is trying to help you realize your wrong as well.

Just take a hint man. This is for your own good.

[OrangeVirus1]

from the beginning I said 12.4-12.6. but whatever 12.6 it is.

why don't you google that. might learn something.

go have fun with your half ass tuned rom tunes dude.

when you get real, legitimate tuning knowledge you'll know what i'm talking about.

I mean bare minimum go learn what MBT is.

[4nmscle]

Haha. Have you took your own advice yet? Just do it for me one time please lol.

Google "12.6 afr at full boost"

Do it.

[OrangeVirus1]

no need dude Already know.

go learn MBT, timing, Maximum lean HP, Lambda values and get back to me.

[4nmscle]

Hahah man I fucking did. Now it's your turn. Too much of a fucking bitch to google the shit and realize your are indeed a fucking moron.

Don't worry man. This thread will get plenty of attention soon enough.

Maximum LEAN hp people! Maximum LEAN hp!! Don't forget people, you want Maximum LEAN hp!!!

You're right man. I know nothing. Anything else you want to ad to that? I'll bet you can't find ONE FUCKING LINK that says 12.4-12.6 at WOT in boost. Call my bluff? :wiggle:

[OrangeVirus1]

What is your AFR under boost? [Archive] - SaabCentral Forums (http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-150000.html)

just read this, a little bit of what I'm talking about.



maximum lean power yes. I never said it is the safest way to tune but it is the best way to tune for power. and when tuning PROPERLY you can tune for maximum lean power, and at the same time if you get a "bad tank of gas or hot summer day" or to put it blankly detonation, you can have your EMS pull timing or richen the mixture.

Ever heard of ems Failsafes? probably not since all you know is rom tunes.

[4nmscle]

You stupid fuck. This is the first thing I read in your link....


"Rich air/fuel ratios can be used to control detonation, and this is a strategy normally employed in forced induction engines. Thus, on a forced induction engine, the mixture should be substantially richer: 11.6 - 12.3:1 on a boosted turbo car and as rich as 11:1 on an engine converted to forced aspiration without being decompressed. As is also the case for ignition timing, the air/fuel ratio should vary with torque, rather than with power.

In the engine operating range from peak torque to peak power, a naturally aspirated engine should be slightly leaner at about 13:1, with the forced induction factory engine about 12:1 and an aftermarket supercharged engine staying at about 11:1."

Ready to admit defeat yet? I can't stress enough how deep your digging...

[4nmscle]

Not to mention those are 145hp cars...

You busted my balls for running 11.4:1 on a engine pushing 20psi?? Furthermore you don't even know what my CR is?? Still arguing???

[OrangeVirus1]

read the whole fucking thing, that is just some quote pulled off some shit article.

read the whole fucking thing and read how they are all tuning for 12.0 or leaner AFR's and making power.

fucking read, don't quote some bullshit and call it a win

quote :
If you look at Nutcase 99T he has a line running at about 12.5:1 for most of the power band. The RR operator said this was a good result for that car. K-jet is difficult to tune as you don't have any control of maps so the fact that the AFR stays so level and just on the edge of what would be acceptable AFR for a turbo is pretty good. The 99t is only 145bhp standard though (IIRC) and Nutcase has only tuned it up mildly. Which is fine... I'll be doing a similar thing with my 99t when it's on the road. ;ol



I bet you are some Retard that has like 7:1 compression ratio

[4nmscle]

Read it all bitch and I did win. 12.0 to 1 was agreed upon by the group of factory volvo 145hp car owners. You are fucking unreal hahaha.

Wheew damn I gotta catch my breath.

12.4-12.6:1. Still waiting on one single thread regarding a modded boost engine. Come on man, don't give up lol.

[4nmscle]

I will even go as far as to say that on a moderate to low boosted engine that wouldn't probably hurt a thing. But once again, we were talking about 500whp and above 20psi. So there is a little squirming room for ya. Keep trying man!

[OrangeVirus1]

That is just some thread I found.

how about call up some tuning shops, learn about tuning and quit trying to dodge the fact that you don't know fucking shit about tuning.

I have personally tuned a few of my own cars to 12.4/5 afr in boost to redline with over 20* timing @ redline with 18-22 psi on 91 octane with amazing results.

On My mazda I tuned for 15psi on 12.4:1 AFR on 91 with 28* timing at redline and 9.7:1 compression, 120-140 degree intake air temps. zero knock.
28 fucking degrees timing at redline.
Same Car I can tune 10psi and 32-35* timing at redline WOT on 12.4 AFR. 9.7:1 compression.


oh probably lost you there..

[4nmscle]

Haha any dynos? Pictures? Track times? Just give up dude. Your fucking retarded and you've been told by at least one member out of every thread you stick your blow hole in.

You don't have shit that can hang. Just some far fetched mazda stories and a Nissan that has never and will never leave the garage.

[Frank_Jaeger]

keep the whales out of this, man.

http://www.dolphins-world.com/images/top_dolphin_facts_2.jpg

[OrangeVirus1]

my nissan is not done and my mazda. not farfetched :

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[OrangeVirus1]

my Nissan :
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[4nmscle]

keep the whales out of this, man.

http://www.dolphins-world.com/images/top_dolphin_facts_2.jpg

Frank, I can't even hate you after that man lol.

That is a dolphin though....

[OrangeVirus1]

quote this too : You don't need a Blow off valve.

[4nmscle]

Virus, cool. You rock man.

I wouldn't know what the hell I'm looking at under the hood of whatever kind of Mazda that is. Figured you had a FD or something but whatever. BW turbo looks cool.

So what is the max LEAN hp on these rides?

[Frank_Jaeger]

We're all cetaceans here lol.

EDIT: running no bov is worth any possibly detrimental effects to your turbo. ftftftftftftf.

[4nmscle]

quote this too : You don't need a Blow off valve.

QUOTED!!

I've ran without a bov plenty their old timer. I tend to take care of my PTE turbos a little better now. Not to mention drag racing doesn't need transient response so the gain would be negligible. Glad it's working out for ya.

[4nmscle]

We're all cetaceans here lol.

I'm just saying an Orca would've been cooler...

[OrangeVirus1]

Virus, cool. You rock man.

I wouldn't know what the hell I'm looking at under the hood of whatever kind of Mazda that is. Figured you had a FD or something but whatever. BW turbo looks cool.

So what is the max LEAN hp on these rides?

The mazda is out of commission and the RB20 I plan to tune for 12.4:1 @ 18psi on that turbo.


exactly. you have no idea what you are looking at under the hood of a built car.

running without a bov, even at high boost doesn't really add more "wear" to it especially if it's ball bearing. even at high boost.

[4nmscle]

Haha ouch man, ouch.

Did you say built? Damn man I'm loosing my touch I guess.

"out of commission and I plan to..." sums it up pretty good their tune master!

[OrangeVirus1]

out of commission as In I took everything off and went back to NA.

and since you a guys are talking about water creatures:

Glacius Atlanticus

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[4nmscle]

My poor, rich detonating, 11.4:1 afr sr20 is just running great with almost 8k miles on it. I guess I'm lucky. All the hell I give it and all the 1.5 60' times I cut should have killed it by now.

Sure wish I would've known that all rom tunes fail...

[4nmscle]

out of commission as In I took everything off and went back to NA.

and since you a guys are talking about water creatures:

Glacius Atlanticus

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I don't blame you for going back stock. When you fail to suceed, retreat!

[OrangeVirus1]

I never said 11.4 is rich deto-. but rich deto does exist.
I did not fail. I went back to stock because FWD + lots of power = go no where and spin tires.

anyway done. bye. sleep.

maximum lean horse power = Glacius Atlanticus = badass

[4nmscle]

Congratz dude. 14k$ in mods and you Don't even know shit about tuning. Your car is probably seeing so much detonation and the ecu is retarding timing like hell just to keep the rods from blowing holes in your block.



LOL 11.4 in boost now i KNOW YOU ARE RETARDED
LOL 11.4 in boost now I KNOW YOU ARE RETARDED
LOL

Do you even remember the stupid shit you say?? Doesn't look like it..

[Frank_Jaeger]

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[Walperstyle]

This thread is a disaster.

Make sure you get advice from someone that isn't selling you a dream. Also, expect everything to cost 3x more then you think its going to be.

[Kingtal0n]

what the hell is going on here? Why am I seeing 12.anything at "full boost" ? Is someone actually driving around in the 12's after 7psi on an sr20?

[Kingtal0n]

yeah 12.6 is For boost too genius.

Fucking look it up.

You don't even understand the difference between NA afr's and boost AFR's .. You are not making it richer to be safer you are only adding the same necessary amount needed for the extra air. the exact same way you would in an NA engine.
12.6 TRUE afr in boost = same amount of fuel to air RATIO as 12.6 AFR NA




Go fucking look it up seriously I mean god damn you are retarded. 12.6 AFR @ full boost will make you Maximum lean power guaranteed.
please, take 5 minutes and look it up. and then slap yourself.

IN BOOST GO LOOK IT UP. USE GOOGLE TO LEARN INSTEAD OF FOR YOUR ARGUMENTS


This is a troll post, he knows that 12.6 is not good hes just screwning around with everyone. nobody is that... um, nobody would actually do that. I Mean i personally have pushed an engine into the 14's and 15's during wide open throttle at 19psi of boost on a 2.0L sr20det then taken it apart to see what happened. If the timing is good then it will not detonate. even after back to back runs. The main problem is heat buildup, that destroys for instance the piston rings. thats what failed first. I can imagine the manifold would have warped/melted but it was exceptionally high quality to prevent that. Same thing with the piston material.

[FourtyKid]

So it's gonna cost about $640 for Nistune. Jesus.

[zerodameaon]

This thread needs to be deleted and OrangeVirus you need to be banned.

[Frank_Jaeger]

So it's gonna cost about $640 for Nistune. Jesus.
I don't feel bad about spending that kind of money on engine management when the entire setup cost me about $4000. What're your HP goals? How much boost do you plan on running? What's your budget?

[OrangeVirus1]

lol if you don't believe you can run 12.5 AFR in boost, do some research.

you don't need 11's
you don't need 10's

12's are fine if the tune is good.
hell you can even run 13:1 afr with E85

[EsChassisLove]

This guy....wow.

Full retard much?

[EsChassisLove]

PS-the reason why there are 400+ threads on this is because most are filled with two people fighting like women for 5+ pages. Lol

[240sxDavid]

this snip says 10.5 - 12.5
Wideband O2 Sensors- Presented by Andy's Auto Sport - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r1opwkhKDs)

[240sxDavid]

btw something does sound fishy about building that fwd engine and than tearing it down to make it stock?
even if your making so much power youre just spinning your tires its still alot better than stock

[OrangeVirus1]

because I had to start the drivetrain upgrade like tranny, lsd, axles..

and the parts are so fucking expensive. I wasn't about to drop 10 grand into a Tranny setup for FWD

[Kingtal0n]

hes trollin you guys have fun 10k? show us these pictures of this fwd you speak of green one

[OrangeVirus1]

What FWD what? I already posted pictures like a page back..

I would have to swap in a 10-12 Mazdaspeed 3 transmission + axles + other suspension parts + a New flywheel and clutch, Motor mounts and transmission mount at bare minimum would cost me 5-6K.

look dude I know someone who owns a Mazda 3 who also turbo'd it and went "all out" in the end he spent over 35K dollars in parts and doesn't even have 500whp. That is what made me decide to do something else. so I stocked it out, sold parts and funded my RB swapped 240.

[n8RPS13]

When in the hell did this go from RS ENthalpy vs. NIStune to boosted FWD mazda 3 conversions? I was ging to say stay way from RS... I had a very bad experience with them... never got tuned correctly never got money refunded just another chip sent in the mail... Its being run by Justin Goen now so hopefully he has got that company on track, but at the same time it was Justin that only offered to send me a chip back.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Soooo, this guy got a friend who can tune his car. Wouldnt common sense tell you to ask the guy who would tune your car what his preference is or atleast ask him what HE KNOWS HOW TO TUNE?!?!

[n8RPS13]

Soooo, this guy got a friend who can tune his car. Wouldnt common sense tell you to ask the guy who would tune your car what his preference is or atleast ask him what HE KNOWS HOW TO TUNE?!?!
Is that in reference to my statement?

[Kingtal0n]

What FWD what? I already posted pictures like a page back..

I would have to swap in a 10-12 Mazdaspeed 3 transmission + axles + other suspension parts + a New flywheel and clutch, Motor mounts and transmission mount at bare minimum would cost me 5-6K.

look dude I know someone who owns a Mazda 3 who also turbo'd it and went "all out" in the end he spent over 35K dollars in parts and doesn't even have 500whp. That is what made me decide to do something else. so I stocked it out, sold parts and funded my RB swapped 240.

yeah? well I know a guy that has a sister with a cousin that spent over 9000 and got a rocketship to mars and back for less fwd mickey mouse castle lobster fish

This thread needs to be deleted and OrangeVirus you need to be banned.

[OrangeVirus1]

yeah? well I know a guy that has a sister with a cousin that spent over 9000 and got a rocketship to mars and back for less fwd mickey mouse castle lobster fish


I was using him as a reference as to why I didn't want to go any further with my mazda. my mazda doesn't even matter don't know why everyone keeps talking about it.

[Kingtal0n]

whats a mazda? is that a cracker served with soup?

[OrangeVirus1]

whats a mazda? is that a cracker served with soup?


I think so actually.