OV: RB20-S13-92 Build up

[OrangeVirus1]

RB20's suck, don't buy em.

The engine itself don't suck, but all the hate that comes with it does

[s13rhdhatch]

rb20=slow/trash

[Duke89]

rb20=slow/trash

How bout you quit hating and go break your dick off.

[Duke89]

Btw build looks good keep us updated!

[240boi115]

^^^ wow first comment starting the troll process.:snoop:

buuuuuuuuuut if you were to go rb why not an rb25? or go sr... the rb20 weighs more than the sr, has less power, and is a pain in the ass to find parts for compared to the sr20 or even the rb25/ 26.. :bow:

[240boi115]

its still a clean build though and im not wanting to hate just curios as to why you went this route with your build..

[s13rhdhatch]

Not hating just stating a fact,20's are trash just like the ca. Parts are a bitch to find but gl with your build.

[VG30ETLover]

well this looks like a cluster fuck. The rb20 is a solid choice, I mean after all its a skyline engine.

[240boi115]

the ca isnt that bad though its like the sr20's lil brother! lol^^^.... either way youll be spending some cash to get this motor at high and reliable hp... if money isnt an issue then let the build continue!

[s13rhdhatch]

Yeah if money isn't a issue then go for gold.

[240boi115]

well this looks like a cluster fuck. The rb20 is a solid choice, I mean after all its a skyline engine.

one of the weaker skyline engines and its turbo sucks :bite: like i said though... if money isnt an issue then go guns blazing!

[OrangeVirus1]

balls deep....

[VG30ETLover]

^^^ I like this guy.

[OrangeVirus1]

rb20=slow/trash

BTW, what are you running Mr. Badass?

[VG30ETLover]

It doesn't matter what he's running this is your build thread not a bitch out thread...

[OrangeVirus1]

It doesn't matter what he's running this is your build thread not a bitch out thread...

very true.

[240boi115]

how exactly is an rb25 a lesser engine? im not trolling im just stating what i seem to know and hear AND i wanted to know why you went this route instead of a 25/26 because i figure if youre going to go rb why not get the extra displacement? and compared to which sr20? an s15 sr20 holds more hp than an rb20 but yes i understand price wise its ridiculous...

any engine is shit if not built correctly so thats just an opinion on your side. you must have good hookups on parts for your build as well but you cant tell me that rb20 parts are easier to find then sr20 parts unless you have or know of some rb guru lol....

Now back to the build... what are the hp goals for this build? jw

[OrangeVirus1]

fucking balls deep

[240boi115]

hahaha supra to a honda motor xD well in that case then power to you.
that engine cost is cheaper by a tad(4-6 hundred bucks) compared to a red top but once again that could reflect upon who you got the motor from... ive seen some sr's go for that price and was your purchase a whole engine setup?
any rb taken to 8k sounds like sex but there is just something weird to me about an inline 6 only being 2 liters..but thats probably me just being weird xD
ive never heard or have seen an rb20 pushed to 400hp because they arent brought up as much as sr20s in conversation and youre right on the blowing piston rings but the only true way to tell which can handle more is to build both motors with the same mods.... so funny as it may sound I might end up building an sr to your rb's specs...

[OrangeVirus1]

There are 500+hp Rb20's online.. not much but they exist. I saw a dyno sheet somewhere online for a RB20 with 670whp, but I can't find it anymore :(

my whole engine setup.. I was basically paid 500$ to take it.
( costed me 1200$ but read below )
basically after a long dispute with paypal and the seller, I ended up getting all my money back and keeping the engine. then I sold parts off it and made over 500$.

[240boi115]

There are 500+hp Rb20's online.. not much but they exist. I saw a dyno sheet somewhere online for a RB20 with 670whp, but I can't find it anymore :(

my whole engine setup.. I was basically paid 500$ to take it.
( costed me 1200$ but read below )
Let me explain how :
I bought it on ebay. Seller lied about a bunch of stuff (luckily the engine compression is legit and to spec )
So a file a dispute with the seller about it on paypal.
Go through the paypal resolution center, Paypal sides with me and I ship the setup back to the seller ( luckily was cheap )
Seller REFUSED to sign for it. So the engine came back to me.
Paypal's clause says that the seller can NOT, not sign for the package.
I win claim and get 1200$ back + paypal said I get to keep the merchandise ( engine )

So then, I start sell parts off it i'm not using, and already made over 500$

dude if you ever do find those dyno sheets id love to see em.
and thats a rad ass story behind getting a motor but this is the exact reason ill never buy any motor,turbo, or just any important part for my car from there because its either a replica POS or its never usually what the seller says it is:ughd: although there are some truthful people on there but not many. its cool how you got to keep the merchandise and get your money back. that dude that sold you the engine must have not been too bright :)

[OrangeVirus1]

I think he thought if he refused the return, he would get to keep the $$

[Duke89]

Wish I would have got paid to take my rb20. I got jewed on the whole deal tho :(

[240boi115]

he thought waaay wrong then lol ^^^^ how much did you blow on your rb Duke?

[Duke89]

Well drove 6 hrs one way to pic it up from a guy and was supposed to be a drop in swap but the harness was butchered didn't realize the trans was trashed. And none of the ic piping matched up. And I payed 1600 after gas for everything :(

[Duke89]

So since then I spent another 400 on a trans. Bought a Godspeed ffim and had it decked to ensure it was warped and powder coated so that was another 330. And currently working on ic piping issue.

[240boi115]

:(dude.......that blows so you havent even got your motor to start up yet?

[Duke89]

It has.... Turned over lol a lot more to the story too. I didn't start with the most "fresh" 240.. May be about time to start my own build thread. And enough about mine it's his build more on op's car lol

[240boi115]

yeah now i feel like im thread jacking.. sorry orangevirus1!

make a build thread and ill follow duke. id like to see how far your car has come... i know mines come a ways..

[OrangeVirus1]

no it's fine as long as there is no trolling hate, i'm fine

[240boi115]

hahaha you dont mind because its free bumps for your thread lmao:boink: buuut i cant wait to see more pics and progress on this build.

[OrangeVirus1]

Well I'm going to be shooting myself tomorrow! so stay tuned

[240boi115]

anticipation at max right now....

[jr_ss]

Why did you waste money on adjustable cam gears, when the motor is completely stock? I'm not understanding the point? Just to have flashy items?

[OrangeVirus1]

The motor is bone stock and the Cams should add like 120whp yo. JDM style horsepower though so it's different.

[jr_ss]

I was referring to the motor internally. You havent had any decking done, nor are you running a thicker head gasket. This isnt a Honda motor, factory cams are already "optimized" and you're not going to gain much, but good luck with it.

[OrangeVirus1]

I was referring to the motor internally. You havent had any decking done, nor are you running a thicker head gasket. This isnt a Honda motor, factory cams are already "optimized" and you're not going to gain much, but good luck with it.

I bought the Cam gears because I am a Shitty Noobturd and I want to have fun rocking 80whp RB20.

[KiLLeR2001]

Hey as long as its not expensive, why not!??!? Seems to be your excuse for everything. How about building something you want instead of using the "I got it because it was not expensive" routine. Fact is, RB25 is better than the RB20. If the RB25 was cheaper than the RB20, guess what motor you would have?

Now it'd be different if you actually wanted an RB20. But to me it seems you are dictating your build around a lack of funds, which in term, will not end well.

[OrangeVirus1]

No, I actually did WANT the RB20. I could have bought the RB25 if I wanted. and who the fuck asked you anyway

I choose the RB20. And I choose to suck in your mind. Whatever I'm going to have fun with it.

[KiLLeR2001]

No, I actually did WANT the RB20. I could have bought the RB25 if I wanted. and who the fuck asked you anyway


Sorry, no sane person with adequate fundage would choose an RB20 over an RB25, you can try that bullshit story elsewhere, not gonna work here.

edit:

I mean seriously, it's like someone sits down at a table with you and puts a $10 bill next to a $100 bill and asks you which one you would like to keep. In this case, you've chosen the $10 bill. Fail.

[xoxide]

Well.. this turned into a shit storm rather quick. Can't believe this thread was actually approved.

[OrangeVirus1]

Sorry, no sane person with adequate fundage would choose an RB20 over an RB25, you can try that bullshit story elsewhere, not gonna work here.

Well I guess I'm not a sane person. Oh well I'm going to have fun building this car with the worlds most shitty engine. the RB20. should of swapped a honda D15 in it but whatever.

[VG30ETLover]

:picardfp: Total cluster fuck......

[OrangeVirus1]

Zilvia just has too many nice sincere people

[Duke89]

I lost faith in people learning how to read along time ago op.

[VG30ETLover]

Maybe if you focused on the build, ya know for those who are just happy to see someones creation, instead of reacting to there shit they'd stop posting here.

[b4l]

why are you guys shiting on his thread this is why builds are rare on this site.

[KiLLeR2001]

I don't come into other peoples builds and tell them they should of got an Rb30, or a 2jz, or a LS9 etc.. so why the hell do you need to come into my thread and tell me what I should of got?


Hey man I just want your car to have a long and lasting life with a good power plant. Why should your car suffer because you are a poor decision maker? Can't take the criticism? Better head on over to Nico while you still can...

Oh and the RB26, thats for ballers only. You do not apply to this category.

[OrangeVirus1]

Hey man I just want your car to have a long and lasting life with a good power plant. Why should your car suffer because you are a poor decision maker? Can't take the criticism? Better head on over to Nico while you still can...

Oh and the RB26, thats for ballers only. You do not apply to this category.

Thanks man I will definitely Take that into Consideration! Your comment is much appreciated. I mean... it's a life changer, I just had an epiphany of insight...I've been living my whole life wrong!

Well I'm just going to ask a moderator to delete my build thread. Never going to attempt a build thread on here again that's for sure. and yeah I will head over to Nico.. I'd rather be hanging out with Nice, polite, ricer dumb people, then Head up their ass know it all assholes

[240boi115]

dude what the fuck just happened? the hell with haters.... WE ALL KNOW ZILVIA IS NOTORIOUS FOR HATING AND TROLLING....dont let that stop you bro. honestly if the rb20 is what you want then go for it...in the end its YOUR BUILD!


they should rename this site trollvia xD

[240boi115]

Well.. this turned into a shit storm rather quick. Can't believe this thread was actually approved.

before the trolling occured it was a harmless thread...

[VG30ETLover]

It wasn't trolling it was just a bash fest on the RB20DET....

[240boi115]

the heat i see here leads me to believe the rb20 is like the redheaded stepchild of the engine world.....

[VG30ETLover]

hahahahahaha.... so true

[240boi115]

regardless did we lose another build thread now:duh:

in rules and guidelines a requirement should be to have very thick skin towards critisism... personally everytime i see an argument here i cant help but burst into laughter... i strangely find it amusing but wouldnt start shit for no reason.:l101:

[OrangeVirus1]

I still love the engine regardless, I'll leave my thread here, but I won't be posting anymore updates.. not worth it anymore..

[VG30ETLover]

So, how about that vg30et?

[240boi115]

So, how about that vg30et?

not hating but thats a tad bit of thread jacking and do you really want to hear what zilvia has to say about your engine preference? i smell a new thread needed though.. ENGINE PREFERENCE THREAD! bang!:naughtyd:


dude why stop? what if people like me still want to see the progress?

[OrangeVirus1]

So, how about that vg30et?

The 300zx turbo engine? asking If I like it?

I like it. To be honest I like all the older turbo engines, rather than newer stuff..

I'd take a ET over a DETT, probably sounds stupid but just my opinion.

[OrangeVirus1]

not hating but thats a tad bit of thread jacking and do you really want to hear what zilvia has to say about your engine preference? i smell a new thread needed though.. ENGINE PREFERENCE THREAD! bang!:naughtyd:


dude why stop? what if people like me still want to see the progress?

For every 1 person who wants to see progress there is 10 that want to burn it to the ground..

[240boi115]

For every 1 person who wants to see progress there is 10 that want to burn it to the ground..

ok then why stop if you made this thread knowing this?? just curious...

[VG30ETLover]

I totally agree, plus i love the way it sounds.

[VG30ETLover]

I agree with the vg30et thing orange said

[OrangeVirus1]

ok then why stop if you made this thread knowing this?? just curious...

When I made this thread I expected a lot less bashing. I didn't expect my very first response to be bashing.

I'll update it if I feel like it.

[VG30ETLover]

please do update it

[KendallH]

Being a '13, wouldn't expect you to be aware of this, but the build section on Zilvia has not been around for too long. At one point the only builds that were on here were in the chat section, and they were mostly incredible, high-dollar builds. Zilvia at one point did not want to be cluttered up with every random user's build thread. You're getting bashed for 2 reasons, one because you came right out of the gate expecting it, and two because you're letting yourself react to the comments.

Oh but RB20s do suck.

[OrangeVirus1]

Being a '13, wouldn't expect you to be aware of this, but the build section on Zilvia has not been around for too long. At one point the only builds that were on here were in the chat section, and they were mostly incredible, high-dollar builds. Zilvia at one point did not want to be cluttered up with every random user's build thread. You're getting bashed for 2 reasons, one because you came right out of the gate expecting it, and two because you're letting yourself react to the comments.

Oh but RB20s do suck.

whatever I don't care.

[jr_ss]

You gonna learn T'day...

Seriously though, all joking aside, why did you buy the 20? Besides it being "cheap". What actually drew you to that decision. The decision to purchase the bastard child of the RB series.

[240boi115]

Now I never said the RB25 is a lesser engine, just said it's not THAT much better.. people on here compare the 25 to 20 like a damn supra engine vs honda engine..

I went this route For these reasons :
Engine cost = Free ( I paid 1200$ for it, and ended up getting the money back )
Engine can rev to 8k+ rpm
2.0 and inline 6. the engine is just cool.
RB parts aren't easier to get than SR parts, but you don't have to run through a damn maze to find them.
My goals are about mid 400's
SR20 holds up more HP. I'd say this is completely debatable. How much HP can a SR20 hold on stock bottom end? How much can an RB20? How many people have even taken an RB20 past like 400hp?
You'll probably blow the piston rings around the same power on both of them, but I bet you without a single doubt that the RB20 rods will hold more power than the SR20

read the thread dude...i asked the same thing and he cleared it up....just sayin.

[OrangeVirus1]

it's balls deep

[Duke89]

well many reasons
1. it's really unique
2. it can rev and rev and rev
3. It should be able to hold a lot of boost without problems
4. it's short stroke and small cylinders means less prone to knock ( i dunno why I read so much on here that people say smaller cylinder = more knock when that isn't true because smaller cyl means less for the burn to travel which means less timing advance which means less knock probability )
5. I read so much hate online about this engine, when 99% of people had zero experience. ( yes one of the factors of my choice was because everyone hated it )
6. swap is easier to do
7. With the right turbo and setup, I should be able to make as much power as it can handle.
8. I firmly do not believe that RB20's can't hold more than 400whp, I'd say with a good set of pistons It could hold more power than a RB25.
9. The head is better than a SR's
10. everyone says SR is better, but power for power my RB20 will have less rod load
11. 20+psi @ 8k RPM = awesome on any engine.

I just wanted to quote this so people would read it twice. A lot of the same reasons I went rb20

[OrangeVirus1]

if you want an update, Turn around and shit on yourself.

[VG30ETLover]

That looks awesome!!

[andrew600]

in for more updates.

[s13rhdhatch]

BTW, what are you running Mr. Badass?

Well if you would have read my for sale thread instead of just talking shit,you wouldnt have to ask that.

[OrangeVirus1]

nothing happened

[VG30ETLover]

Could be worse..

[240boi115]

damn bro nice turbo... piping on that motor is a bitch...you might have to fabricate one.. it might flow better too.

[b4l]

glad you are still posting

[240boi115]

glad you are still posting

agreed....

[OrangeVirus1]

update, had to fab up an oil feed line, and plugged the coolant line to the block. Have to figure out what to do with the other line, but got the oil line installed and oil return!!

[240boi115]

what are you going to do about the intake manifold issue bro?

[kudii]

why all this hate .............rb20det is great and more fleshier than a 25 bottom end and where im from we got one rb20 doing mid 11sec on stock internals so plz keep your hate to urself and let the build continue for ppl like me to see !!!

[Dolph_KYAS13]

glad you are keeping up with the build. You might want to invest some cash into a forward facing manifold to eliminate the 39042930843290 ft of piping.

I was in the same debate with my skyline. (Stay 20 or go 25). I chose 20 because, like you, a great deal came along (700 with a forward facing manifold.) a 300-350 hp rb20 is easily done and is more than enough power for a 240.

Keep at it.

-Jordie

[OrangeVirus1]

I got it done, and torched it

[OrangeVirus1]

Alright so decided i'm gonna keep it and finish it up.

Just purchased a Rb20 WSP s13 wiring harness. No more damn wiring issues to play with. this thing is gonna be legit.

[240boi115]

nice!!! i like what you did with the piping too bro.

[OrangeVirus1]

yeah I decided nobody is going to get to drive this thing before me.. plus the only offers I got where some Crappily turbo'd hondas, and 3k$ "cash" like seriously what a bunch of fucks.

[Rustys14]

I think there is a lot of trolling/hating in this thread because the OP made a bunch of noobish threads and ruffled some feathers in the chat section when he first joined the site. Zilvia is not really a forum that is known to forgive and forget lol.

On topic, the actual build isn't too bad and he is making some decent progress. I for one don't mind the engine choice. I'm glad I don't have a rb20 anymore but I will say that mine was damn near bulletproof (other then a few ignition problems) and served me well when I was learning to drift, plus it sounded amazing lol. OP look into upgrading the coil packs at some point to avoid future issues. Also I recommend removing the coil pack cover if you plan on running the car hard since it traps heat and negatively affects the life of them. Just some tips based on my experience with the motor.

You will love the WS harness btw. Makes life so much easier and its nice to know that everything is new (and grounded better). I use one for every Nissan swap that I do even if it is just a simple SR swap.

[OrangeVirus1]

I think there is a lot of trolling/hating in this thread because the OP made a bunch of noobish threads and ruffled some feathers in the chat section when he first joined the site. Zilvia is not really a forum that is known to forgive and forget lol.

On topic, the actual build isn't too bad and he is making some decent progress. I for one don't mind the engine choice. I'm glad I don't have a rb20 anymore but I will say that mine was damn near bulletproof (other then a few ignition problems) and served me well when I was learning to drift, plus it sounded amazing lol. OP look into upgrading the coil packs at some point to avoid future issues. Also I recommend removing the coil pack cover if you plan on running the car hard since it traps heat and negatively affects the life of them. Just some tips based on my experience with the motor.

You will love the WS harness btw. Makes life so much easier and its nice to know that everything is new (and grounded better). I use one for every Nissan swap that I do even if it is just a simple SR swap.

Yeah I got tired of trying to do the wiring myself, my Relay wiring was all jacked up, my 02 sensor and maf wiring was completely hacked off.. I said screw it and dropped the 400$ on a legit harness.

I did make a few noob threads, I was a total nissan noob. but I have learned very quickly.. to think I bought this car mid january and knew absolutely nothing about nissans, and I can already swap timing belts on this bish in like 20 minutes.

My coils are all brand new Q45 coils. no old cracked up junk

I would remove the coil cover but it's just so god damn ugly missing it

[Yellow4g63]

Yeah I got tired of trying to do the wiring myself, my Relay wiring was all jacked up, my 02 sensor and maf wiring was completely hacked off.. I said screw it and dropped the 400$ on a legit harness.

I did make a few noob threads, I was a total nissan noob. but I have learned very quickly.. to think I bought this car mid january and knew absolutely nothing about nissans, and I can already swap timing belts on this bish in like 20 minutes.

My coils are all brand new Q45 coils. no old cracked up junk

I would remove the coil cover but it's just so god damn ugly missing it

Rusty S14 is right about it trapping heat. I cut my cover at the rear so only the ignitor stays on. Which ecu did you get? and if your going blow through check out the tech section. A company sells modified mustang HPX sensors that have the VQ curve of the Z32 maf but will flow more and idle great. The install into the cold pipe will be way neater too since it's just a slot flange. If you go that route tell them the size of your intercooler pipe so they can calibrate the sensor to that size pipe.

[OrangeVirus1]

Rusty S14 is right about it trapping heat. I cut my cover at the rear so only the ignitor stays on. Which ecu did you get? and if your going blow through check out the tech section. A company sells modified mustang HPX sensors that have the VQ curve of the Z32 maf but will flow more and idle great. The install into the cold pipe will be way neater too since it's just a slot flange. If you go that route tell them the size of your intercooler pipe so they can calibrate the sensor to that size pipe.

I have a tomei rb20 ecu. And I plan to clamp the maf voltages to what I want with AEM FIC, and adjust my fuel trims to what I want with AEM FIC

[OrangeVirus1]

looks like ass

[Thmotorsports]

Looking good!!!! I hate the way the stock intake manifold wraps the piping like that

[OrangeVirus1]

YES! WSP Wiring harness I love it. Starts right up video on the way

[OrangeVirus1]

yes! beauty

http://youtu.be/vUX0nHidB08


now.... My vacuum is only about -15hg...
coolant leaks..
oil leaks..
exhaust leaks..
wiring needs tucking...


SO I just pulled it into my garage and i'm doing a Full tear down lol. Now I know it runs 100% starts right up, so Tear down, clean up, tuck, beautify, and have it 100%.

[OrangeVirus1]

GOT MY FIRST DRIVE TODAY

and almost crashed at the same time. No powersteering = SUCK.

This turbo.... is just freaking amazing on all levels. 5psi before 3k rpm ( only took it to 3k rpm )

turbo spools so damn loud

but still got issues to settle.

[b4l]

cool bro but be safe its better to get a feel for her first before you have to much fun

[OrangeVirus1]

cool bro but be safe its better to get a feel for her first before you have to much fun

oh yeah definitely. I only took it to 3k rpm and probably like 1/4 mile total distance.. I almost crashed into the sidewalk because of the no power steering.. Trying to take a U- turn with no powersteering sucks.

[OrangeVirus1]

Got my first real test drive! lol wasn't much. just logging my AFR's mostly. but took it up to 5psi! and about 5k rpm.

sounds amazing, and the turbo is pretty loud.

video on the way

[dema]

Ddoing same build motor sucks to get in with the oil pan but sounds amazing

[OrangeVirus1]

RB20det drive by Big turbo - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PicEtDbTj14&feature=youtu.be)

I think I'm maxing my MAF before I even hit full boost :(.. getting cut at like 4500RPM / 7-8psi. Blowthrough setup

[OrangeVirus1]

Ddoing same build motor sucks to get in with the oil pan but sounds amazing

I had no problems getting it in.. just make sure your cherry picker can take it up high

[b4l]

you should have gone the other way so we can hear the turbo and not the bov

[Gar9854]

Unless the paint on the body, wheels, and bay was terrible why did you have to spray everything in pesant black? And judging buy the white specs on the bay did you even prep or prime it for that matter?

[OrangeVirus1]

The body was disgusting, and still looks disgusting. The wheels I didn't do.

The bay no.

I'm not trying to make it a beauty queen just yet.

also I don't know why everyone hates the RB20 soooo much.. it cruises out of boost just fine like any normal car,

yes it doesn't have any kick out of boost. but as soon as the turbo spools it goes crazy.( assuming your not on stock turbo )
btw I'm seeing 12psi by 4500rpm on this thing. ( farthest I've taken it because my intercooler pipes keep blowing off ) so tightening everything down.
and the RB20 sounds pure awesome.

[OrangeVirus1]

OK guys everyone that has been following me I need some suspension opinions.

My stock suspension is crap, the back end bounces around and my car is kinda lop sided hah ( probably from tires )

anyway's whats a decent STREETable suspension setup. NOT for scraping/hellaflush/ crazy camber/ drifting.

just something that I can lower the car an inch or so, and have a good ride that won't feel dangerous on the high way

[Yellow4g63]

Fortune Auto 500's. Tell them you don't want the hella flush rears and you can keep your car at a good ride height.

[greenwood]

get these clamps my friend, or something similar.

T-Bolt Clamp for 4.0" Intercooler Hoses (http://www.puredieselpower.com/catalog/tbolt-clamp-for-intercooler-bootshoses-p-32808.html?m1track=shoppingcom&osCsid=e16733dc95f4aebff0e118cac31a8c35)

welcome to the rb20

[Duke89]

Megan streets if your not looking for anything other than comfort and ride hight.

[OrangeVirus1]

Actually gonna pick up some KYB struts and lowering springs. 1.5 front 1.2 back drop I think ( or maybe reversed )

should do the trick. I just want stock or better drive-ability.

[Duke89]

You'll regret that KYB struts aren't made to go with lowering springs I went this route to on my first 240. The struts where blower in 5months :(

[Dolph_KYAS13]

You'll regret that KYB struts aren't made to go with lowering springs I went this route to on my first 240. The struts where blower in 5months :(

Quoted for Truth

[rwtf]

You should put your maf before the turbo.

[Extreme Dimensions]

You should put your maf before the turbo.

huh? :squint:

[OrangeVirus1]

You should put your maf before the turbo.

Why? It only makes wrouting an intake harder. I have it setup and tuned with my AEM and I am only using the Maf to keep the ecu happy.


I am not TUNING off the maf at all. The ecu is not correcting off the maf at all. I am Clamping the maf voltages and sending the ecu whatever Voltage I tell it. I have it setup where the maf tells the ECU what I want it to at what RPM I want it to. and I have 100% control over fuel trims.

The maf isn't Doing anything except Feeding a signal to the AEm and the AEM is feeding the Voltages I TELL IT to the ecu so it doesn't put it in limp mode.

[OrangeVirus1]

You'll regret that KYB struts aren't made to go with lowering springs I went this route to on my first 240. The struts where blower in 5months :(

I actually Ordered STAGG struts and Megan springs. When I posted that I was about to order the KYB, but chose Stagg instead.

The STAGG struts have good reviews everywhere and are fine with drops at 2 inches or less.

[Duke89]

I actually Ordered STAGG struts and Megan springs. When I posted that I was about to order the KYB, but chose Stagg instead.

The STAGG struts have good reviews everywhere and are fine with drops at 2 inches or less.

That's good to here. I just hope you'll be happy with not being able to hight adjust.

[OrangeVirus1]

I'm only dropping an inch I think I'll be fine. If it's too low I'll use stock springs. too high.. well that's ok.

Also having some issues that I need to tune out.. breaking up at high boost and and running too rich @ high boost..

more tuning tuning.. I'm getting the break up at 24.9 psi on it. Which I think is kinda excessive amount of boost already.. but I'm shooting for 25 on 91, and 30-32 on E85 ( later )

[Duke89]

Lol yea that's a lot of boost. What kind of numbers are you getting?

[OrangeVirus1]

RB20 pull. ..........................zoom..........

[OrangeVirus1]

So getting my Back struts installed tomorrow, All new tires and rims going on aswell.

Drove my car around quite a bit, about 20-30 miles. I noticed that I couldn't get it to overheat.. and I tried, just to check.

Even without ever turning the fan on, my car would not go past 186* F and was constantly going back down in temp! I got it to 186* idling it for about 30 minutes.. no fan.

and usual cruising temps were around 173-182*F

Seems a bit cold. I read the thermo is for.. 170?

just interesting as other car's I've owned run more around the 200-210 temp as normal.

[DJZ]

So getting my Back struts installed tomorrow, All new tires and rims going on aswell.

Drove my car around quite a bit, about 20-30 miles. I noticed that I couldn't get it to overheat.. and I tried, just to check.

Even without ever turning the fan on, my car would not go past 186* F and was constantly going back down in temp! I got it to 186* idling it for about 30 minutes.. no fan.

and usual cruising temps were around 173-182*F

Seems a bit cold. I read the thermo is for.. 170?

just interesting as other car's I've owned run more around the 200-210 temp as normal.

I have a koyo rad on mine and forget to turn the fans on all the time and its never overheated ever

[Duke89]

186 is real good. I would be worried at all

[greenwood]

where is your temp probe?

My rb20 is running a mishimoto aluminum radiator, 12 inch puller on the rear and a big 14 or 16 baller 200 dollar fan on the front. in this heat, 80 degrees, humidity, 180-190 on the highway, this is having the temp pickup on the bottom radiator hose.

in traffic I have to have the fans on. In cooler weather, Unless im idling around I dont need the fans, on the track temps went up to like 190-200 oil was at 210. Oil is usually 180. I'm running an oil cooler with grex thermostat setup as well.

I have ducting for the radiator and fresh coolant, although I am just running 50/50 green stuff.

Also running a rb25/26 pump which seems to have helped.

[Yellow4g63]

I'm @ 180-190 with mine but I have the clutch fan on. When I had electric fans in it would see 200-210 all the time with the fan going. It's warmer out here in Socal tho so the fan clutch really keeps the temps down even after romping on it.

[OrangeVirus1]

where is your temp probe?

My rb20 is running a mishimoto aluminum radiator, 12 inch puller on the rear and a big 14 or 16 baller 200 dollar fan on the front. in this heat, 80 degrees, humidity, 180-190 on the highway, this is having the temp pickup on the bottom radiator hose.

in traffic I have to have the fans on. In cooler weather, Unless im idling around I dont need the fans, on the track temps went up to like 190-200 oil was at 210. Oil is usually 180. I'm running an oil cooler with grex thermostat setup as well.

I have ducting for the radiator and fresh coolant, although I am just running 50/50 green stuff.

Also running a rb25/26 pump which seems to have helped.

I have an oil temp gauge and I rarely see over 180 in oil temps.

my water Temp sensor is Right next to where the stock 2 are, Drilled and tapped a whole for it.

I saw 187* today.

When is it considered too hot?

[OrangeVirus1]

whatdafaka

[559fresnodrifter]

I have a rb20 wirh 400hp and spend.less than a stockrb25 stock and.have more power

[collegekid]

This is a decent thread, really looking forward to seeing a dyno sheet from you later. Are you street tuning it or you renting out a dyno? Also, your online behavior is just like my friends;he always used to argue with everyone but it just comes down to not giving a fuck because they don't buy you parts. It's your car, do what you want, let them sit there and be the keyboard commando.

I personally wouldn't have bought the rb20 just because of what I read online (not many car friends in real life) about parts availability and shit but its working out for you so more power to ya. Don't worry about them, let them think they are superior with their sr20s and what not.

I do think you need to chill out though, I see that you reply in the thread with kids asking about swaps, but you don't need to argue with everyone. First of all, the kids asking don't know shit but can find everything in the stickies on here and 240sxforums if they were really going to do the swap. Second, it's not worth it to argue on every goddamn thread for you or the people who argue back, it's a waste of brain cells. Just be happy that you got a decent motor (your junkyard motor runs well, be happy) and you are making decent power or are shooting for more power.

For the car though, I would suggest that when you pull the motor you should re do the engine bay. Look in the engine bay thread, they have some decent rattle can jobs from Home depot that look sexy. I assume you primered the car in prep for a paint job.

Keep it up

[OrangeVirus1]

This is a decent thread, really looking forward to seeing a dyno sheet from you later. Are you street tuning it or you renting out a dyno? Also, your online behavior is just like my friends;he always used to argue with everyone but it just comes down to not giving a fuck because they don't buy you parts. It's your car, do what you want, let them sit there and be the keyboard commando.

I personally wouldn't have bought the rb20 just because of what I read online (not many car friends in real life) about parts availability and shit but its working out for you so more power to ya. Don't worry about them, let them think they are superior with their sr20s and what not.

I do think you need to chill out though, I see that you reply in the thread with kids asking about swaps, but you don't need to argue with everyone. First of all, the kids asking don't know shit but can find everything in the stickies on here and 240sxforums if they were really going to do the swap. Second, it's not worth it to argue on every goddamn thread for you or the people who argue back, it's a waste of brain cells. Just be happy that you got a decent motor (your junkyard motor runs well, be happy) and you are making decent power or are shooting for more power.

For the car though, I would suggest that when you pull the motor you should re do the engine bay. Look in the engine bay thread, they have some decent rattle can jobs from Home depot that look sexy. I assume you primered the car in prep for a paint job.

Keep it up

I have decided to just chill and if people want to say shit then whatever I don't care anymore. I am having fun and for a rb20 it's freaking fast.

also I just did a crap rattle can spray job, not a whole lot of prep. I just wanted to make this my fun car, I don't care much about it's beauty. It's completely sleeper because it looks like ass.

The only time I interject in a swap thread is when I want the OP to know that RB20 is still an option, and if they dedicate the resources to it, it's definitely a worth-while swap.

[RiskyRick]

Not sure if you've said already or not, but just out of curiosity what size of s200 is that turbo?

[OrangeVirus1]

Not sure if you've said already or not, but just out of curiosity what size of s200 is that turbo?

it's the very small size like my penis

[RiskyRick]

It's kinda hard to find info on them. it comes off a CAT construction vehicle.

it's a Borg Warner S200G
.76 AR cold / 1.00 AR hot T3 divided housing

I can't remember the compressor wheel size, it's Billet I know that, I think 58mm or 62.. something.

Wow, sounds pretty responsive for a turbo like that on a 2 liter. I've got to give you a big thumbs up, man- you've got balls pushing that much air through an RB20, especially w/ as aggressive of tuning as you were getting flamed for. Can't wait to see how high you go with the stock bottom end.

[240boi115]

glad to see more progress with the build posted up.. the motorlooks real nice and props on the intake manifold piping.. looks pretty cool.

[OrangeVirus1]

thanks thanks much appreciated. I'm going to get it dyno'd here shortly. I have to get some better clamps because my couplers keep blowing off at full boost.

[ayrtonlucyk]

nice keep the updates comming!:D

[Kryptik89]

Damn Matt!! You've been busy!! Wish I had monies to work on mine... :(

Sent from a Parallel Universe

[240boi115]

just curious but are you going to keep the cam gears showing with no cover? or be a badass and get a clear cover over em like i see on all those rb26's xD

[OrangeVirus1]

just curious but are you going to keep the cam gears showing with no cover? or be a badass and get a clear cover over em like i see on all those rb26's xD

I wanna get a clear cover but they are just too expensive for what they are. to get one shipped to my house is almost 200$.

[greenwood]

that turbo is a monster. where did you get your intercooler fmic kit from, or is this custom?

[OrangeVirus1]

went booom, took a shit

[Yellow4g63]

Did you inspect the oil pump and the drive?

[OrangeVirus1]

hell nah who da fuck does that. run it dry

[KiLLeR2001]

The interesting part is that I was looking at the stock pistons really really really closely and they are not perfect circles ( obiously no piston is a PERFECT circle ) but I mean these things look like they were cut out by hand.. Nissan engineering!

They are cut out by hand, that's how old RB20 technology is. :wavey:

[OrangeVirus1]

They are cut out by hand, that's how old RB20 technology is. :wavey:

lol I'm not kidding though, Up really close, these pistons look like hexagons..

[nissanpwrds14]

Your forgot one key reason to go with a RB20. The exhaust note! Love the way they sound!

[OrangeVirus1]

Your forgot one key reason to go with a RB20. The exhaust note! Love the way they sound!

They do sound amazing in the high rpms.

[R_34]

I've been following your thread from a couple weeks (even if I'm new here).

What injectors are you using ?

Will you use an e-clutch to drive the M90 or letting it always powered even when the turbo kicks in ?

[OrangeVirus1]

I've been following your thread from a couple weeks (even if I'm new here).

What injectors are you using ?

Will you use an e-clutch to drive the M90 or letting it always powered even when the turbo kicks in ?

Always on, The M90 doesn't have a electromagnetic clutch. it will compound the boost.

I am using Siemens Deka IV EV6 60lb

[R_34]

Be carefull, compounding boost gives a lot of boost pretty fast. lol

Did you choose the drive ratio of the M90 yet ?
Will you use an aftercooler downstream the M90 or you plan to bolt it to the lower intake manifold somehow and running it like this ?

[OrangeVirus1]

Be carefull, compounding boost gives a lot of boost pretty fast. lol

Did you choose the drive ratio of the M90 yet ?
Will you use an aftercooler downstream the M90 or you plan to bolt it to the lower intake manifold somehow and running it like this ?

Yeah I'm not worried about that, I know I will be getting boost quick. But my turbo still wont spool until at least 3k.

I haven't decided that completely yet, the drive ratio, and placement. I'm thinking on the lower manifold, with a custom adapter, but I'm also thinking about mounting it near the turbo, then the turbo route right into it, then the Supercharger goes to the intercooler then to the stock intake manifold.

It's still in the design process right now.

[R_34]

You might use the OEM AC compressor bracket and the AC tensioner ? If you still have it.

And I would install the compressor first, blowing into the turbo. Like this the M90 will not overheat the air if driven moderately (~1.4 PR), and the air will still be cooled by the intercooler.
And you'll have at least 5~6 PSI of boost. Not much but enough to get some grunt in low to mid RPM before the turbo went in.

At full howl at high RPM the turbo will have some preheated air but it won't be as bad as the other way round when the turbo will boost the M90 which could be damaged with such hot air if it's not intercooled first. And if it is intercooled first then the M90 will reheat.

I'm just sayin'

[OrangeVirus1]

I decided to torch the car