S14 power steering stock hose-to-AN conversion

[kamilitaryman]

Yo yo, been a while since I posted anything.

I'd love it if someone pointed me to a thread with necessary info to convert the stock P/S hoses/fittings to AN. I'm having issues with clearing my manifold.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x126/insanekch/KA24DET%20BUILD/IMAG0221_zps4a1b6c79.jpg

The coolant fittings are getting corrected, don't worry about that ;)

Thanks!
Kamil

[Mikester]

Will it not reach if you crack the banjo fitting loose & clock it 90 degrees outboard?

[kamilitaryman]

Will it not reach if you crack the banjo fitting loose & clock it 90 degrees outboard?

Probably would, but I want to convert anyways. The bottom fitting is not clock-able and it's rather close too. So I wanna ditch both.

[kamilitaryman]

It looks like an endangered insect.
http://www.ilfinance.com/10.jpghttp://www.ilfinance.com/01.jpghttp://www.ilfinance.com/28.jpghttp://www.ilfinance.com/03.jpghttp://www.ilfinance.com/05.jpg

That is why people buying them.
http://www.ilfinance.com/10.jpghttp://www.ilfinance.com/01.jpghttp://www.ilfinance.com/28.jpghttp://www.ilfinance.com/03.jpghttp://www.ilfinance.com/05.jpg

Honestly, both of your replies were useless. Go back under your rock unless you have something relevant to post. Or go troll your friends on FB brodi.

[shifts13]

There is no way around the stock banjo bolt as there is a built in restrictor in there. So even if you were to convert to AN fittings, it looks like there wont be enough room unless you clock the stock banjo by a bit. The thread on the pump is 16mm x 1.5 and your rack is 14mm x 1.5. I have an extra p/s line made with Earl's fittings and high press. p/s hose, PM me if you're interested.

[benchracer206]

Thorough Concepts offers a braided line assembly. check them out
www.thoroughconceptsretail.com (http://www.thoroughconceptsretail.com)

that should be their site. its down for maint at the moment so i can not verify. i saw it in an issue of Dsport i think.

[kamilitaryman]

There is no way around the stock banjo bolt as there is a built in restrictor in there. So even if you were to convert to AN fittings, it looks like there wont be enough room unless you clock the stock banjo by a bit. The thread on the pump is 16mm x 1.5 and your rack is 14mm x 1.5. I have an extra p/s line made with Earl's fittings and high press. p/s hose, PM me if you're interested.

Hmm...

So the top (banjo) fitting has a restrictor built in. Do you recall the size of it? I checked the FSM but it doesn't list it. I'm sure I will be able to find a replacement in AN form.

The bottom fitting is free flowing correct?

Thanks for your reply, now I'm getting somewhere.

[kamilitaryman]

Found this article and it doesn't look like he's using a restrictor on his setup.

DIY power steering + AN fittings - Carolinanissans.com (http://www.carolinanissans.com/forums/index.php?/topic/27432-diy-power-steering-an-fittings/)

[240sxScores]

You do need to keep the banjo bolt in the pump due to the restrictor that is in there. In your situation I would clock that metal piece out and weld on a - 6 fitting.

I converted my pressure line to all an stuff from earls, www.anplumbing.com a couple of the fittings needed machining to seal right.

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[DJ 21o3]

Time to noob it up...what is this AN talk? And what is the benefit?
Sorry, just got curious and had to ask.

[kamilitaryman]

You do need to keep the banjo bolt in the pump due to the restrictor that is in there. In your situation I would clock that metal piece out and weld on a - 6 fitting.

I converted my pressure line to all an stuff from earls, www.anplumbing.com (http://www.anplumbing.com) a couple of the fittings needed machining to seal right.

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Awesome info! I should've known better, most banjo bolts are the actual restrictor. I think I just may do some welding OR find a banjo fitting for that bolt with a -6AN male. At least I know what to look for now.

Thanks for the info buddy.

[kamilitaryman]

Time to noob it up...what is this AN talk? And what is the benefit?
Sorry, just got curious and had to ask.

AN thread - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN_thread)

[shifts13]

Earls makes the adapter from 16mm x1.5 to -6 AN male. Same goes with the one on the steering rack...thats if you dont want to weld...just dont remember the part #s

[kamilitaryman]

Earls makes the adapter from 16mm x1.5 to -6 AN male. Same goes with the one on the steering rack...thats if you dont want to weld...just dont remember the part #s

Np, I'll find it. Thanks for chiming in.

[240sxScores]

I had to machine the threads on my PS pump side adapter fitting, they were too long and the fitting wouldn't seal before the threads bottomed out inside that tube. My rack side fittings had to be machined too, took material off the base of the hex thing for the wrench.

[IIIXziuR]

I'm sure the AN lines will address your clearance issues, but have you thought about 'low mounting' the pump? Seems pretty sweet

Low mount SR20 power steering pump - Hardtuned.net (http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=326884)

[kamilitaryman]

I had to machine the threads on my PS pump side adapter fitting, they were too long and the fitting wouldn't seal before the threads bottomed out inside that tube. My rack side fittings had to be machined too, took material off the base of the hex thing for the wrench.

We'll see what I can come up with.

I'm sure the AN lines will address your clearance issues, but have you thought about 'low mounting' the pump? Seems pretty sweet

Low mount SR20 power steering pump - Hardtuned.net (http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=326884)

Oh snap, didn't even think about this! Hmmm....

[bc.]

Sorry for the 3 month bump... :naw: but I have a question:

I am missing the piece that the OP needs to clock out of the way and wanted to verify not being able to remove the stock banjo stud.

You do need to keep the banjo bolt in the pump due to the restrictor that is in there.
Does anyone know what will happen if the restrictor is taken out? Since I don't have the female banjo fitting, I was thinking of pulling the stud and having a 90 -AN going right out of the pump, just to see what happens.

I am mostly worried about damaging my rack... I am bringing my line to a shop to see if they can custom fit one for me though.

[Mikester]

Hmm, yea the Chase Bays kit utlizes the stud... Hopefully, you can figure something out... Here is the part number, maybe Nissan can get it for you?

49172-70F01 for S14

**172-Y9100 for S13.

[kamilitaryman]

I'd try to get that piece. Go to the junk yard and snag one for $5-10. They are $50 brand new...

[bc.]

I don't think the KA an SR banjo fittings are the same diameter. I am having a custom line made for it, while trying to retain use of the sock bolt.

[kamilitaryman]

I don't think the KA an SR banjo fittings are the same diameter. I am having a custom line made for it, while trying to retain use of the sock bolt.

Gotcha. I wasn't aware you were having issues on a SR pump. Hopefully that custom line will do it for ya. Good luck!

[CaptainVlad]

Here is a thread with all the fittings you will need.

http://zilvia.net/f/chat/338796-power-steering-lines-cooler-good-times.html

Also, your issue appears to be the long cast banjo tube. If that part was not quite as long, it would clear.

Here is the solution to that. It is 18mm, and quite a bit shorter.

18mm Banjo Fitting | Unisteer Performance (http://www.unisteer.com/search_by_product/power_steering_pumps_accessories/lines_fittings/18mm_banjo_fitting.html?keyword=18mm+banjo)

[kamilitaryman]

Here is a thread with all the fittings you will need.

http://zilvia.net/f/chat/338796-power-steering-lines-cooler-good-times.html

Also, your issue appears to be the long cast banjo tube. If that part was not quite as long, it would clear.

Here is the solution to that. It is 18mm, and quite a bit shorter.

18mm Banjo Fitting | Unisteer Performance (http://www.unisteer.com/search_by_product/power_steering_pumps_accessories/lines_fittings/18mm_banjo_fitting.html?keyword=18mm+banjo)

Yep, I found that thread a week or so after my original post. Thanks for linking it over here.

[bc.]

Here is the solution to that. It is 18mm, and quite a bit shorter.

18mm Banjo Fitting | Unisteer Performance (http://www.unisteer.com/search_by_product/power_steering_pumps_accessories/lines_fittings/18mm_banjo_fitting.html?keyword=18mm+banjo)


Something to note (on at least a S14SRa power steering pump) the stud that comes out of the pump and holds the banjo fitting can not use a traditional banjo fitting. The lower o-ring and upper o-ring are different diameters, so if you get one that fits one o-ring, it will not fit the other. The guy at the hydraulics shop said he had seen nothing like it.

I do not know if this is the case for the KA, but it is worth an inspection before you go buying fittings.

[CaptainVlad]

Most of the stuff between the SR and dual cam KA PS stuff is the same. Thanks for the heads up.

When I was putting that banjo back on, the crush washer kept going into the hole, and I could not for the life of me figure out why. (I guess I now have my answer) I tried the other side, and it wasn't doing it anymore, so the actual long cast piece most likely has a different ID depending on which side you use.

Thanks.

[bc.]

Got my line done. It deletes any need for a banjo fitting.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk158/btc1020/IMG_20130606_175302_zpsf0f6b841.jpg

This was the original banjo stud that came out of the pump. It was cut in half to remove the stock banjo connection but will retain all functionality of the pressure reducing assembly inside the pump.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk158/btc1020/IMG_20130606_175330_zpsc8386fec.jpg

Here is the side that goes into the rack. All 'welded' connections were actually done with silver solder.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk158/btc1020/IMG_20130606_175342_zpsdb23528c.jpg
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk158/btc1020/IMG_20130606_175356_zps3e506fc4.jpg

Sorry the last pic is blurry, but you get the idea. The hardline was cut and soldered to a hose barb. The o-rings were also replaced.