the braking drift.

[import_racer87]

explain it to me. do you just go into a turn, brake hard which takes the weight off the rear wheels, then the car starts to drift? is it turn in then brake or brake then turn in. in the drift bible he says that he doesnt brake hard. if this is the case then how does this work? thanks guys.

[OptionZero]

A drift can be initiated by anything that causes you to lose traction.
A sudden stab on the brakes can initiate loss of traction because it transfers weight to the front of the car, and off of the rear wheels.

Less weight = less grip = rear breaks loose

That is how i understand it

I'im not a drifter though, so take it as you will.

You also initiate a drift by
Inertia = sudden weight shift...steering away from a turn then in will cause weight to transfer from side to side and break the wheels lose

Ebrake = locks rear wheels, wheels dont spinn, you have no grip

Clutch = stabbing clutch, suddenl loss of power, no power = no grip

power oversteer = if oyu have the torque to back it up, stomp on the gas and you can also break the tires loose

Anything that overcomes the limit of traction of your rear wheels can be used to start a drift

[nightwalker]

the braking drift is coming into a corner faster than you really should, braking a little harder than you would doing grip, and as you feel the weight shift to the front, give the car some gas and it should bring the car around.

You can practice this around 45-60 degree turns at slow speeds. It takes really good heel-toe skill, and weight shift sensing.

[nismofeind]

this so off topic slighty but with a shift lock method (stabbing clutch) its not the fact of no power if you wanted to that you would just push the clutch in. when you quickly over load the drive train it will lock up everything very quickly then rush power to it. basicly you are shocking the diff. and making your gears mesh for an instant.

[Maeda]

Learn to initiate this in an auto. It'll make so much more sense. Well it did for me...

Pretend theres a turn you usually take at 30 or so.
Go in at 50, and at the very beginning of the turn brake down to 30.
If you add steering work the rear will come around.

That's how its worked in my limited experience.

[twitchy]

just give er some stink half way through the corner and aim.

[pruto]

you don't want to lock up your brakes though, so don't brake too hard. This is easier said than done with z brakes. and don't brake and turn at the same time. That leads to the wrong kinda fun :)

[FallbrookS13]

NISMOFEIND your statement, "this so off topic slighty but with a shift lock method (stabbing clutch) its not the fact of no power if you wanted to that you would just push the clutch in. when you quickly over load the drive train it will lock up everything very quickly then rush power to it. basicly you are shocking the diff. and making your gears mesh for an instant."

that isnt shift lock, i think your talking about clutch kicking... shift lock is where... say you are in 3rd gear, drop down 2nd without rev maching and if you do this as your turning in you will begin to slide... especially if you have a 2way lsd.

[FallbrookS13]

brake drifting is very difficult to be able to understand and initiate w/ ease. its really easy to brake too hard and begin understeer. i would wait till a track day to try brake drifting if you never have.

[FallbrookS13]

Off topic, PRUTO, YOUR CAR LOOKS FUCKIN SICK TO ME.. GOOD STYLE. What are the specs on ur wheels and tires. later man.

[thx247]

... braking a little harder than you would doing grip,


That would = locking the tires up =)




Braking drift? I dunno, get on the brakes, load front tires, get off brakes gently, turn wheel...profit.

[mistaanime]

lol breaking drift...y don't you juss watch more drift bible. :goyou:

[stumpz]

they way it seems is, brake hard enough to get the weight on the front wheels then lighten up and steer into the turn..right after u steer into the turn, the car should be sliding and yer foot should be off the brakes and countersteer like a bia. no1 knows but yer car.

[DuffMan]

Wow, I'm pretty sure all these answers are wrong. :)

My understanding is brake drifting involves using both the hand brake and regular brakes. Generally used when you come from a long high speed straight to a tight turn. You brake, but use hand brake, or engine braking or both to create a more rearward brake bias. This gets the car sideways, to slow it down for the turn.

Then you need to transition from brake drifting to regular powerslide drifting seemlessly. Something I oh so wish I could do but its probably going to be a while.

If a pictures worth a thousand words, a video must be worth a million so heres a vid to demonstrate. :)

http://www.vosko.net/media/drift/RX-7%20FD%20-%20Side%20Brake%20Drift1.avi

[Dousan_PG]

you don't want to lock up your brakes though, so don't brake too hard. This is easier said than done with z brakes. and don't brake and turn at the same time. That leads to the wrong kinda fun :)


sometimes you want to though.
front brakes really change a lot when you learn more. you can initiate differently youc an change lines, and also speeds (obviously)
its a lot of fun to lock up the fronts as you drift hahaha..;) i like it

just techniques to try and learn. reading what people post on the internet you dont know if they are BSing you or watching tooo many DRIFT BIBLES

go and try it and see what you find out, that's the best. there are sooo many technques, you'll never 'master' them all until you drift for years and years and years.

start and try each, see what style suits you most.

internet drifting accomplishes next to nothing.

[twitchy]

just be careful....on a funny related note...last night i was in my friends 2001 Mustang GT. We were making some donuts trying to fry off last years tires and there was this cop on the end of the other parking lot we didnt see. Comes bolting over with his lights on and rolls down his window and goes "Hey...that thing got a hemi?"

thought that was cute

anyhow ya dont hit anything.

[DoriftoSlut]

Wow.




Braking drift is slightly braking while initiating. It will give you oversteer if your car is set up properly. It is a very delicate, simple, fine technique, so its actually hard for many people, since it is so easy.

The best is like Dousan said, go out and try it.

On another note, the front brakes come into play a LOT at a higher level of driftng. Not that i consider myself anywhere near a professional type of level (if you want to call it that). But i used to think of a sidebrake initiation something you do right before you turn in... something to disrupt your drivetrain.

Now, however, I come into a corner way too fast, hold the sidebrake up early on the straight leading to the corner, modulate the counter angle and front brakes to adjust slip angle (while the rears are still locked), shift from 3rd to second as clipping apex, clutch kick, power out... etc.. See, what many people (including myself until recently) miss is the FRONT BRAKE portion!! It allows me a higher entry speed and more control over angle and deceleration. CANT push too hard or you will lock up and over rotate.

Speaking of locking the front brakes... I love clutchkick initiation, quick side brake stabs, then power into the apex, accelerating, then slam on brake and clutch and lock up the front tires at the clipping point, down into 2nd, clutch kick, power, clutchkick, more angle, etc.. Again, a simple clutch kick initiation that is turned into a drift using a variety of techniques.

This type of... style is something a drifter develops over time. No way did i have this when i first started drifting. I learned and watched Option vids and studied the drivers' styles i liked. Hariguchi, Miki, Rough Tanaka... those are the guy's styles (in that order) i try to emulate. Also riding first hand with my friend Chris Foresberg (yeah that Z33 with SR guy) really opened me to try new things just to see how i liked them. Also Driftheaven Charlie.

Another thing you learn is adaptation. There are 2 different type of adaptation. The first type is adapting the line of your surroundings to fit your style. The Second is to adapt your technique to change your style to fit the surroundings. Its important to do both.

First, to adapt your line to fit your style. At many events, following other people's lines screws me up. Instead I have learned to just go make the line that suits my speed, angle, initiation, etc... This makes my style i guess stand out from a lot of others. It is definitely not uncommon to see my thick black long side brake rubber marks start way earlier and go wider than any other marks. Basically I had to ziptie my nuts so i can start that early and do what other people may not be doing. If i adapted my style to fit what most other people do, my style would not be different. So that must suck then right? Well...

Now comes the adaptation of your style to fit your surroundings. There are circumstances where this is a good thing and times when it is a bad thing. The bad time is outlined above. Adapting it to fit other peoples lines while running solo. The good instance is TANDEM! When going tandem (with a partner who you trust... like having sex kinda i guess) the styles cannot be too different otherwise one person will feint while the other one side brakes right into his door. Different styles decelerate at different points, so the tandem drift will look all wierd and jumbled with cars not in sync with each others' movements. This only gets more important when its a 4-5 car tandem run. Hah. Think i can come blazing in with a wide clutch kick and power over into the apex? Not unless the guy in front of me does the same thing.

Now that our groups' tandem runs are getting closer and closer in distance and higher in speed, it is critical to be able to adapt to the surrounding cars. This gets more heightend at touge or street drift. Where not only must you mind the other cars, but also curbs, walls, rocks, SEWER COVERS, dirts, berms, poles, etc...

Sorry if that sounded high and mighty but i can only speak for myself (and probably dousan, and a handful of other people i go up regularly with). So not to impose that i am the only one with those skills or lines... In tandem EVERYONE has to have this mentality. Also, at the last track day, dousan was following my lines in his shitty stock KA. his side brake initiation point and line were just about identical to mine. Only difference really was my slightly wider line because of a lot more power. Power allows you to adjust your line way more easily and be less commited to the path, allowing room for obstacles or error. So props to Dousan. He had a harder time than me, despite my higher speed/angle. Thats why he leads when we go tandem. He is more consistant and I can always adapt around him and adjust my angle, speed, and thus distance much easier due to the turbo. Haha and if I hit him, its a fender and (already broken) bumper for me, but door or rear 1/4 panel for him! Hahahhaha errrrrr.... ahem.

Hope you took the time to read this and if you did i hope it shows how to go about progrressing as a drifter.

[Flybert]

Sorry if that sounded high and mighty...

So now you think your the baddest internet drifter out there don't you mothafucka? I challenge you and all you other pink mofos!!!

Thats why he leads when we go tandem. He is more consistant and I can always adapt around him and adjust my angle, speed, and thus distance much easier due to the turbo. Haha and if I hit him, its a fender and (already broken) bumper for me, but door or rear 1/4 panel for him! Hahahhaha errrrrr.... ahem.

And Dousan likes it in the rear so it's not so bad for him...

[Dousan_PG]

And Dousan likes it in the rear so it's not so bad for him...


yep!!!








oh shit! no wait, i dont mean it that way! WTF!! ??
:duh:

[revat619]

Wow.




Braking drift is slightly braking while initiating. It will give you oversteer if your car is set up properly. It is a very delicate, simple, fine technique, so its actually hard for many people, since it is so easy.

The best is like Dousan said, go out and try it.

On another note, the front brakes come into play a LOT at a higher level of driftng. Not that i consider myself anywhere near a professional type of level (if you want to call it that). But i used to think of a sidebrake initiation something you do right before you turn in... something to disrupt your drivetrain.

Now, however, I come into a corner way too fast, hold the sidebrake up early on the straight leading to the corner, modulate the counter angle and front brakes to adjust slip angle (while the rears are still locked), shift from 3rd to second as clipping apex, clutch kick, power out... etc.. See, what many people (including myself until recently) miss is the FRONT BRAKE portion!! It allows me a higher entry speed and more control over angle and deceleration. CANT push too hard or you will lock up and over rotate.

Speaking of locking the front brakes... I love clutchkick initiation, quick side brake stabs, then power into the apex, accelerating, then slam on brake and clutch and lock up the front tires at the clipping point, down into 2nd, clutch kick, power, clutchkick, more angle, etc.. Again, a simple clutch kick initiation that is turned into a drift using a variety of techniques.

This type of... style is something a drifter develops over time. No way did i have this when i first started drifting. I learned and watched Option vids and studied the drivers' styles i liked. Hariguchi, Miki, Rough Tanaka... those are the guy's styles (in that order) i try to emulate. Also riding first hand with my friend Chris Foresberg (yeah that Z33 with SR guy) really opened me to try new things just to see how i liked them. Also Driftheaven Charlie.

Another thing you learn is adaptation. There are 2 different type of adaptation. The first type is adapting the line of your surroundings to fit your style. The Second is to adapt your technique to change your style to fit the surroundings. Its important to do both.

First, to adapt your line to fit your style. At many events, following other people's lines screws me up. Instead I have learned to just go make the line that suits my speed, angle, initiation, etc... This makes my style i guess stand out from a lot of others. It is definitely not uncommon to see my thick black long side brake rubber marks start way earlier and go wider than any other marks. Basically I had to ziptie my nuts so i can start that early and do what other people may not be doing. If i adapted my style to fit what most other people do, my style would not be different. So that must suck then right? Well...

Now comes the adaptation of your style to fit your surroundings. There are circumstances where this is a good thing and times when it is a bad thing. The bad time is outlined above. Adapting it to fit other peoples lines while running solo. The good instance is TANDEM! When going tandem (with a partner who you trust... like having sex kinda i guess) the styles cannot be too different otherwise one person will feint while the other one side brakes right into his door. Different styles decelerate at different points, so the tandem drift will look all wierd and jumbled with cars not in sync with each others' movements. This only gets more important when its a 4-5 car tandem run. Hah. Think i can come blazing in with a wide clutch kick and power over into the apex? Not unless the guy in front of me does the same thing.

Now that our groups' tandem runs are getting closer and closer in distance and higher in speed, it is critical to be able to adapt to the surrounding cars. This gets more heightend at touge or street drift. Where not only must you mind the other cars, but also curbs, walls, rocks, SEWER COVERS, dirts, berms, poles, etc...

Sorry if that sounded high and mighty but i can only speak for myself (and probably dousan, and a handful of other people i go up regularly with). So not to impose that i am the only one with those skills or lines... In tandem EVERYONE has to have this mentality. Also, at the last track day, dousan was following my lines in his shitty stock KA. his side brake initiation point and line were just about identical to mine. Only difference really was my slightly wider line because of a lot more power. Power allows you to adjust your line way more easily and be less commited to the path, allowing room for obstacles or error. So props to Dousan. He had a harder time than me, despite my higher speed/angle. Thats why he leads when we go tandem. He is more consistant and I can always adapt around him and adjust my angle, speed, and thus distance much easier due to the turbo. Haha and if I hit him, its a fender and (already broken) bumper for me, but door or rear 1/4 panel for him! Hahahhaha errrrrr.... ahem.

Hope you took the time to read this and if you did i hope it shows how to go about progrressing as a drifter.

Now that was some good stuff. :bow:

[Maeda]

Basically I had to ziptie my nuts so i can start that early and do what other people may not be doing.

Damn no wonder i'm not getting anywhere fast. I didn't try ziptie-ing my nuts in place.


Guard-rail mishap!