The Ultimate Race

[soon2Bsilvia]

After I thought I seen it all, on my way home from school a white 300ZX TT passed me through the right lane. Seconds later a red Supra Turbo caught up with the Z at the light. I couldn't believe out of nowhere these cars showed up. I really had no part in this race, but I stood behind to watch. They roared up their sweet engines and as the light hit green they slammed on the gas? (Guess who won?)

the supra?

[DSC]

dono 300's weigh alot but...the 300?

[soon2Bsilvia]

The Supra took off quicker but in about 100 feet the Z gained some ground and passed it bearly a quater of a car right about when he hit 3rd gear. He then ran the next red light, while the Supra stopped.

[soon2Bsilvia]

That 's crazy though.
I thought the Supra was faster.
They were both souped-up.
What happened?

well u never really know what kind of mods they both had ... i mean there are countless mods that either one could have had.... so....... its all a guess

[soon2Bsilvia]

If it was stock vs. stock,
then what would of been the outcome?

from what I've read, the supra has a very powerful motor.. more powerful than the Z's V6.

from what I've seen, the Z32-TT has nice brakes.. but the Supra's brakes appear to be better quality and larger.

from what I've read, the Supra handles well.. but I've also heard that the Z has an extremely stable platform and handles very well.. excellent stance.

So, the Supra should have the upper hand in braking and accellerating.. but the Z should have a really good stable solid chassis/suspension setup.

who knows, when you're picking pennies like that.. it mostly comes down to driver.

- Mike

[DragonReborn214]

Stock for stock, a Supra would win.

I had exhaust and intake on my Z and took a stock supra by about 2 car lengths.

[whateverjames]

the supra has 550cc injectors, traction control, torsen limited slip, 6 speed transmission, two more psi, 20 more horsepower, a little lighter, and that's all a supra can do is like 3 tenths faster in the quarter and costs up to 10,000 more, how pathetic. i've heard rumors that toyota paid the magazines to make the supras seem better than they are. i've also heard that when at a REAL track supras usually run low 14's, and sometimes high 13's....with skilled drivers. don't quote me on the second part

[rabbit23]

here in austin there are more than a few supra's pushing very high hp. one in particular pushing over 800+ with twin hks turbos. he is killing 1100cc sport bikes on the freeway. he took his video's down otherwise i'd post the link. sorry guys those supra's are fast.

[keepitmovin]

Any car can be fast with enough $$$. As for the race there are so many factors that lead up to the win, early start, condition of cars, well maintained, maybe one motor was used more less hp , driver, so many dont go buy numbers that much but dont race a supra in your civic dx.

[transient]

I think it's less that stock supra's are fast and  more that the supras have incredible ability to take modifications, so they can reach very high horsepower.

[DragonReborn214]

Well, both are wonderfull cars. I have seen MANY debates on which is better...

Supra's can get higher hp on stock internals, Z's are better engineered because of their equal weight distribution in the engine bay, yada yada yada.

The Z holds a faster land speed record than the Supra. Like 7.84 quarter mile I believe.

The Z has older engineering, from the eighties.

And yes, toyota was giving car magazines fake times when the supra was in production to make it look better.

I love supras and Zs... but the Z is so freaking expensive to repair, because of that crammed engine bay. I would take a supra over a z... but the supras resale value far exceeds their worth in my eyes.

The movie the fags and the furious pumped up the supras resale value majorly, as everyone wants to get one now.

If you want to compare cars, copmpare the supra and our beloved skyline gt-r. Let the toyota freaks suck on that one.

[anthony240]

Maybe the Supra was automatic?

Maybe the driver didn't know how to shift right or he missed a gear?

Car vs Car the supra would win, but it's the driver that makes all the difference.

[DragonReborn214]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from anthony240 on 2:51 pm on Dec. 7, 2001
Maybe the Supra was automatic?

Maybe the driver didn't know how to shift right or he missed a gear?

Car vs Car the supra would win, but it's the driver that makes all the difference.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

What are you referring to?

Auto supras are faster than stick.

[Drifting Ricer]

With enough money a Honda civic ca kill both of the cars. I saw clip on-line about a Civic that kills a viper. That thing must have a least 400HP!

[keepitmovin]

i saw it too. unbeleviable

Yeah, I've seen it too.

Here in AZ there are 4 or 5 supra's pushing over 700hp on stock internals. &nbsp;There is also a 9sec. street driven supra, his license plate is vpr klr, I will try to get some pics of it tomorrow if he is at the show, he is usually there. &nbsp;There is also a tripple turbo supra that shows up occasionally.

man either one is fast enough for me i'd just keep'em stock <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

yeah the turbo supra is pretty fast but it ain't really all that fast....and the n/a supra can eat shit..but i wouldn't mind gettin a supra anyday....

[thewholefnshow]

I have seen a neon kill a viper... with stock internals. Crazy. The Z has better handling though, but I have heard things about oil getting trapped in the valve cover under harsh turning and that can lead to oil burning up (hence the puffs when you see a z racing)... I like the Z's look better stock, but I have seen some Crazy bodies on Surpras.

[240enthusiast]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from whateverjames on 8:32 am on Dec. 7, 2001
the supra has 550cc injectors, traction control, torsen limited slip, 6 speed transmission, two more psi, 20 more horsepower, a little lighter, and that's all a supra can do is like 3 tenths faster in the quarter and costs up to 10,000 more, how pathetic. i've heard rumors that toyota paid the magazines to make the supras seem better than they are. i've also heard that when at a REAL track supras usually run low 14's, and sometimes high 13's....with skilled drivers. don't quote me on the second part
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That's pretty sad considering my husband's N/A civic with an ITR engine can run mid-high 13's in the 1/ mile. &nbsp;These supras have to N/A.

[soon2Bsilvia]

Which one do you guys think has the better exterior and interior?

[bfrance]

Okay, I've gotta chime my .02 cents in here. &nbsp;Not many of you know me, but I've been around lurking for quite some time. &nbsp;Also, I'm 25 and have been into the import scene since '94, so I've had a lot of experience w/various cars/mods.

First off, I am a Nissan fanatic, having owned a 280zx, 2 300zx's, and now I'm on my second 240sx. &nbsp;So, by no means am I biasing one car over the other, but stock for stock, the Supra is a much more capable car. &nbsp;It has better brakes, weighs the same or less, has a stronger motor, and contrary to popular opinion around here, handles better stock. &nbsp;I have driven both cars extensively, both modded and stock and the Supra is a better car. &nbsp;

Now, before the flames start, realize that I LOVE the Z32 300's, and would own one right now instead of my s14 if it wasn't for the cost versus age of car issue, (banks will only do so much on a car that is 11 years old, you know...) &nbsp;but, the Supra is superior. &nbsp;$2000 in a Supra will get you within fractions of 400rwhp, full factory reliability, and I've seen cars w/these &quot;bpu&quot; mods run as low as 12.17's in the quarter. &nbsp;

The Z is a great car, but equal mods w/equal drivers, it's no Supra killer. &nbsp;Not by a long shot....

my .02 cents,

-ben

ps: To the girl who said it was sad that a STOCK &nbsp;supra runs low 14's/high 13's (more like mid-low 13's in reality,) what did your boyfriends honda do stock?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>???
Also, the auto's are faster when modded, but stock they aren't.....

[ca18guy]

bfrance, i can't help but notice that you don't mention that it only cost's $2000 to get a 300ZX to 400 HP to. 400 HP is easy in those 2, it's the ability of the Supra to get higher HP easier that gives it it's reputation as a great engine. Both can be made to go pretty much as fast as you want, I've seen 300Z's that run low 7's in the quarter, have yet to see a Supra that fast, doe's that make the Z better? No not really. Stock the supra is a tad faster running high to mid 13's, compared to the Z which runs low 14's to high 13's. It's all a matter of taste, also who ever mention a obviously modded honda can bet a stock Supra. What was your point :confused: There are yugo's out there that could beat a Supra, does'nt make it a better car.