FL Teenager gives middle finger to the Judge and gets 30day sentence

[K_style]

I am sorry Florida, nothing personal but you've done it again. :picardfp:

Hope she learned something.

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[uraznfriend]

what an idiot,

"whats your jewelry worth?"
"Money"
Florida fail

[delado]

I wouldn't categorize that as Florida. That's Cuba.

[exitspeed]

I'm curious to see if ANYONE on here defends her.

[K_style]

I wouldn't categorize that as Florida. That's Cuba.

Care to explain how?

I'm curious to see if ANYONE on here defends her.

Haha.. I doubt it..

[KiLLeR2001]

Care to explain how?


If you've ever been to Miami... It's pretty much Cuba at this point. I knew it one time when I got lost and tried asking for directions and no one knew English...

[K_style]

If you've ever been to Miami... It's pretty much Cuba at this point. I knew it one time when I got lost and tried asking for directions and no one knew English...

So does that mean LA is pretty much Mexico ?

[TougeLove]

ahah saw this on facebook yesterday and laughed my ass off. I know way too many stupid bitches like this who think they're god because they whore themselves out and get whatever they want.

i would have also added 100 community service hours. nothing like good ol hard labor to show a bitch whats up.


So does that mean LA is pretty much Mexico ?

if the majority of streets you drive down only have signs in spanish, yes.

[Matej]

So does that mean LA is pretty much Mexico ?
As are Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and parts of Colorado.

[ForeignMuscle]

Dumb bitch deserved 6 months.

[240drifter1]

Rick ross!

[Flicktitty]

I haven't followed this at all, but what was she in court for in the first place?

[240drifter1]

I heard him say somthing bout xanax bars?

[K_style]

I heard him say somthing bout xanax bars?

Yes, she was in court for possession of xanax bars.

[fyneyoungstunna]

another one of those "who the fuck cares and why is it on ZILVIA" threads....

but, since its here.
Holy fuck she's geeked out in that video.....

[Krusty_s13]

Penelope Soto arrested for possession of Xanax: Moment Miami teen thief flips out at judge | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2273778/Penelope-Soto-arrested-possession-Xanax-Moment-Miami-teen-thief-flips-judge.html#axzz2KKoMT1ST)

The girl is from an area in miami called Kendall. All the girls out there are just as dumb as she is.
And delado is right, miami is little cuba.

[exitspeed]

another one of those "who the fuck cares and why is it on ZILVIA" threads....

but, since its here.
Holy fuck she's geeked out in that video.....

Ummm, pretty much the point of Of Topic.

[dudermagee]

So glad we have the Cuban Refugee Adjustment Act. It seems like its done alot of good for the poor citizens of Cuba as well as bringing great diversity and enrichment to the US.





riiiiiiigggghhhhttt....

[tricky_ab]

It appears the bird...

....has been caged.

http://i.imgur.com/xiK4v6a.jpg

Anyways, I can't say that I didn't see that coming the way she was acting. Her public defender should have tried to get this pushed to a later date because she looks as high as a kite.

That being said, It's kind of hard for me to think the judge was acting responsibly, considering his behavior throughout the proceeding didn't seem to reflect the gravity of the situation. "Be serious, we are not in a club now" is not a comment which really reflects the power the judge can wield, so when he doubles the bail and gives her 30 days in jail for behavioral infractions it seems like an arbitrary use of power. This girl is obviously young and I don't think she understands the seriousness of her situation, but the judge did not communicate that in his tone or way of addressing himself to her, acting more coy than professional.

Oh and I had read a pretty good response about this was on Reddit a few days ago...

A little criminal defense lawyer perspective: First, the judge was clearly out of bounds increasing her bond because he didn't like her attitude. Release on bond/bail legally is only allowed to serve two purposes - ensuring that the defendant returns to court (skip out and you don't get your money back), and ensuring that the defendant complies with their conditions of release (mostly - don't commit more crimes while released). There is no legitimate basis for a judge to modify bail/bond for a moment of flippant behavior.

Second - states that don't provide arraignment representation suck. Where I practice, the PD's office arraigns everyone who doesn't have a private lawyer, even if they ultimately are not appointed a PD. If she had a lawyer representing her, this wouldn't have happened - the lawyer would have been doing the talking and if she did anything inappropriate the lawyer would shut it down - client control is a lot of the job.

Third - video arraignments cause this kind of shit. She wasn't in court, she was in jail and the county (state?) set up a video link between the jail and the courthouse to save themselves transportation costs. So she's standing in front of a little camera with a little screen showing the courtroom to view and she's surrounded by other detained defendants. It just doesn't inspire the kind of behavior that actual presence in the courtroom does.

Third- Why not appoint her a public defender - she makes $200 a week, she can't afford competent representation, jewelry or no...

Finally- the what the fuck factor. This is the perfect example of what is wrong with our criminal justice system. The state (or county) made two choices intended to save money - video arraignments and not appointing a public defender. Probably she wouldn't have been held in contempt if she was in the courtroom and/or had a lawyer. Now the state/county gets to pay for a month in jail for what - possession of some xanax? Even if you take the contempt charge out of the equation - girl making $200 a week gets picked up for possession of a few pills and they hold her on $5000 - $10000 bond? Unless she has family willing to post or a sympathetic bondsman available, she's going to sit in jail until she either pleads out or gets a trial - which can take months. So of course she'll plead out, probably for time served, if that, and be yet another person we just spent several thousand dollars shoving through a kangaroo-court process and tarring for life with a drug charge that will severely limit her ability to move up from her $200 a week job (which she probably lost while she was sitting in jail), all for what - a few fucking xanax?

Edit to add: I'm on my phone, so this will be short. A couple people have rightly pointed out some corrections. Where I practice, arraignment is always done at the preliminary hearing. We don't have a procedure to separate the two. So when I referred to an arraignment I should have said bail hearing or detention hearing or prelim appearance or whatever the terminology is in Fl.

Point is the same though. If she had counsel, she probably wouldn't be in jail

As to the contempt, I never said that a contempt charge wasn't warranted based on her comment and gesture, only that it probably wouldn't have happened if she was in court with a lawyer. That said, judges up here have much thicker skin.Reddit Link (http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/17x0lr/girl_flips_off_judge_hilarity_ensues/c89p3vq)

[OrangeVirus1]

How can a judge sentence you for free speech? flipping the finger is considered free speech

[di-devol]

How can a judge sentence you for free speech? flipping the finger is considered free speech

So, you are asking why could you get in trouble for flipping off a judge? Seriously?

[fliprayzin240sx]

How can a judge sentence you for free speech? flipping the finger is considered free speech

Its also contempt of court...go ahead, flip out on a judge and see how far that gets you.

[OrangeVirus1]

Its also contempt of court...go ahead, flip out on a judge and see how far that gets you.

Flip out / Flip off, two totally different things.

I understand obscenities are not grounded under the freedom of speech when in court, but is flipping someone off considered legally an obscenity

[holemilk00]

How can a judge sentence you for free speech? flipping the finger is considered free speech

You're joking right?? In a court house this idea of free speech doesn't apply like it does on the sidewalk. That was outlined back when the bill of rights and the constitution were written. I have seen a defendent call a judge a "Mickey Mouse mother fucker." And get 90 days for contempt. There is a reason he is introduced as "The honorable...." And you have to stand when he/she enters the room.

[OrangeVirus1]

You're joking right?? In a court house this idea of free speech doesn't apply like it does on the sidewalk. That was outlined back when the bill of rights and the constitution were written. I have seen a defendent call a judge a "Mickey Mouse mother fucker." And get 90 days for contempt. There is a reason he is introduced as "The honorable...." And you have to stand when he/she enters the room.

This is not true at all, Constitutional rights are not suspended in a courtroom, and a judge can not waive constitutional rights.

Look up all the lawsuits for people who were held in contempt for saying things under free speech, ( non threatening ) and won punitive damages ($$$$) you can call a judge a slut bitch nasty fucking retard, flip the judge off, if you are jailed for it, even one hour, one day... you can sue and you will win.

if you can get jailed for flipping off a judge, but Not get jailed for being apart of the westboro baptist church, and picket things with signs saying "Pray that our soldiers die" 'jesus hates america" "jesus hates fags" etc etc etc and be recognized as a hate group.. then wtf has america turned to.

[S14TEENZ]

http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp102/S14TEENRB/4082097347bd53bf7a7c3aae5b220519_zps611ab98f.jpg

[K_style]

This is not true at all, Constitutional rights are not suspended in a courtroom, and a judge can not waive constitutional rights.


Clearly Obama and other liberals do not support our Constitution anyways right?

[holemilk00]

This is not true at all, Constitutional rights are not suspended in a courtroom, and a judge can not waive constitutional rights.

Look up all the lawsuits for people who were held in contempt for saying things under free speech, ( non threatening ) and won punitive damages ($$$$) you can call a judge a slut bitch nasty fucking retard, flip the judge off, if you are jailed for it, even one hour, one day... you can sue and you will win.

if you can get jailed for flipping off a judge, but Not get jailed for being apart of the westboro baptist church, and picket things with signs saying "Pray that our soldiers die" 'jesus hates america" "jesus hates fags" etc etc etc and be recognized as a hate group.. then wtf has america turned to.

Umm being someone that graduated with a JD/MBA degree, and is in court weekly, I'd like to see some of these cases you speak of. I didn't say your constitutional rights are suspended while in court, I said they don't apply in the same way as they do on the sidewalk. The people that win punitive damages after a contempt charge are winning on a basis outside of wrongful confinement. You might want to look that up.

[K_style]

another one of those "who the fuck cares and why is it on ZILVIA" threads....

but, since its here.
Holy fuck she's geeked out in that video.....

I can post whatever the fuck I want.

[OrangeVirus1]

Umm being someone that graduated with a JD/MBA degree, and is in court weekly, I'd like to see some of these cases you speak of. I didn't say your constitutional rights are suspended while in court, I said they don't apply in the same way as they do on the sidewalk. The people that win punitive damages after a contempt charge are winning on a basis outside of wrongful confinement. You might want to look that up.

right, but sentencing someone to time for Contempt of court by the basis of violation of free speech that is not a threat, obscenity, or malice etc is Wrongful confinement. If the judge just say "you are in contempt of court! now have a nice day" then nobody would even care.

[holemilk00]

By definition contempt of court can be something as small as speaking out of turn. So yes in this case the judge had every right to hold her in contempt and give her 30 days.

Just like people think they can go into court and plead the fifth and not have to answer any questions without consequence, but if you are asked a question and you choose not to answer, you are in contempt. You have to be in a situation where answering the question will incriminate you as the individual. You can't just sit up there and be silent. I can't tell you how many times I see young kids that are on the stand try to plead the fifth because they don't want to rat out one of their friends, and when the judge throws them in jail the guy (probably 18-20 years old) and his parents are yelling and screaming in court that its against his constitutional rights, that he has the right to remain silent. Haha stop watching cop movies people, this is real life.

[uraznfriend]

Regardless of how dumb
I'd smash

[OrangeVirus1]

By definition contempt of court can be something as small as speaking out of turn. So yes in this case the judge had every right to hold her in contempt and give her 30 days.

Just like people think they can go into court and plead the fifth and not have to answer any questions without consequence, but if you are asked a question and you choose not to answer, you are in contempt. You have to be in a situation where answering the question will incriminate you as the individual. You can't just sit up there and be silent. I can't tell you how many times I see young kids that are on the stand try to plead the fifth because they don't want to rat out one of their friends, and when the judge throws them in jail the guy (probably 18-20 years old) and his parents are yelling and screaming in court that its against his constitutional rights, that he has the right to remain silent. Haha stop watching cop movies people, this is real life.


I know real life I have been to court quite a few times, and what you are explaining is different. those "kids" are not pleading the 5th they are obstructing justice, accomplice liability, aiding and abetting/accessory, the judge could write up just about anything they want when you knowingly with-hold facts / information. I do know that the only time you can really Not answer a question is when it would directly incriminate you by doing so.

the main thing is, if the judge sentenced her to 30 days Purely as "contempt" for flipping the judge off. the judge is abusive

[K_style]

I know real life I have been to court quite a few times, and what you are explaining is different. those "kids" are not pleading the 5th they are obstructing justice, accomplice liability, aiding and abetting/accessory, the judge could write up just about anything they want when you knowingly with-hold facts / information. I do know that the only time you can really Not answer a question is when it would directly incriminate you by doing so.

the main thing is, if the judge sentenced her to 30 days Purely as "contempt" for flipping the judge off. the judge is abusive

Then why don't you try flipping off the Judge when you go to next time and see how it goes. Of course you should bring your argument about your first amendment and the rest.

[holemilk00]

This makes me think about the "deposition" lil Wayne gave that went viral. I kept saying there was no way that was a magistrate that was conducting that, or he would have been under the jail. You can't have complete disregard for court proceedings. There is an order to it, and if you don't follow that order, you're going to jail.

[TougeLove]

fuck her, fuck miami, fuck the judge, fuck your free speech, fuck you.

this is what i have learned today. :D

[Krusty_s13]

Regardless of how dumb
I'd smash

LOL! Put me in line too.