AWD JDM Accord - HOT!!!!!

[toreno]

for all you ignorant Honda Basher Bastards, no need to view this since you guys are ignorant and make stupid remards. You know who you are.

Heres a New JDM Technology for the 2004 Accod , I think its Sick...

http://www.honda.co.jp/HDTV/news/2004-4040401a/index.html

[nightwalker]

That AWD system looks crazy. There were rumors of Honda releasing an AWD car, and having it being front biased, but this is beyond.
What can I say, Honda is the leader in automotive technology. Can't wait to see it in the US.

I'll take an AWD civic.

[boro240]

I'll take an AWD civic.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/photos/1985_Honda_Civic_Wagon_W.jpg
your wish has been granted. no need to thank me...

[element240]

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/photos/1985_Honda_Civic_Wagon_W.jpg
your wish has been granted. no need to thank me...

haha neato :naughty:

[jsr20det]

so whats next? turbo for the accord?

btw, doesnt the G35 and GTR already have this? or something similiar?

[po1z5che__]

if its jdm and its in japanese...why is the driver on the left side.

[Drift101]

I can see it now, WRC Accord! Sweeeet....

[SilviaDriver]

That AWD system looks crazy. There were rumors of Honda releasing an AWD car

they have an AWD car already

Honda Integra Xi 4WD

personaly i rather take an AWD Type R

[D1drifter]

hmm, that AWD system looks pretty interesting. Seems like the system has a torsen diff per wheel. Very nice.

[gosuS14]

The G35 and Skyline have the altessa transmission, which is a rwd + awd system, based on the way you're driving. The SH-AWD systems seems different. It seems to be more advanced, although i didn't understand a word they were saying, I think it's better than the altessa. It gives like more power, or less, to individual tires by the way the car shifts it's weight. I would like to test drive one of these on a track or something. Pretty awesome!

[FastBack 240]

The G's is based on driving like said before. If you need awd for snow or rain the system will engage. Pretty nifty system.

[G_Fish240]

would you pick this accord over other awd drive cars in japan? Not bashing, just wondering

[boro240]

would you pick this accord over other awd drive cars in japan? Not bashing, just wondering
i dont think theyre trying to compete with other AWD cars, but add another feature so youd pick an accord over the competition it already has.

[matlock]

I believe it's Atessa, and this system sounds a bit different. I don't know if I would want an Accord AWD, it depends on the power it was making and stuff I guess.

[toreno]

would you pick this accord over other awd drive cars in japan? Not bashing, just wondering


NO haha.... But I would pick a S2000 over most cars in the $30-35K range

[old_s13]

i was talking with a friend the other day, isnt it interesting how honda/acura is one of the ONLY car companies that RARELY (or can I say NEVER) released a production car with a turbo?

I cannot think of ONE honda that comes stock, turbo.

NISSAN, has released Z31, Z32, R32, R33, R34, S13, S14, S15, and even more that I dont care to list.. all available in turbo.

Toyota? MR2, Supra.

Mazda? FC, FD, even certain model Miatas. Protege.

Mitsubishi? Starion, 3000GT, Eclipse

Dont get me started on Porsche.

But Honda? Nothing comes to mind.

Interesting... interesting.

- Mike

[D1drifter]

i was talking with a friend the other day, isnt it interesting how honda/acura is one of the ONLY car companies that RARELY (or can I say NEVER) released a production car with a turbo?

I cannot think of ONE honda that comes stock, turbo.

NISSAN, has released Z31, Z32, R32, R33, R34, S13, S14, S15, and even more that I dont care to list.. all available in turbo.

Toyota? MR2, Supra.

Mazda? FC, FD, even certain model Miatas. Protege.

Mitsubishi? Starion, 3000GT, Eclipse

Dont get me started on Porsche.

But Honda? Nothing comes to mind.

Interesting... interesting.

- Mike

Hmm, yes i find that intersesting as well. I guess forced induction isnt really their thing. Their niche in the car industry is more like inovation(VTEC etc.) and incredibly affordable cars. Torbocharging there car would only inflate the price.

[OptionZero]

Didn't the president of honda or mugen (they're related, so whatever) say they'd never turbo a car?

The main reason being their F1 involvement and making high revving N/A engines?

They do have a turbo car, dont they? Its one of those tiny ass Japanese-only city cars with like a 1.3L turbo...dont quote me on that, i don't remember the name or details

[Strider]

A little more info.

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=217602

[driftjunky]

yes they did have a factory turbo-charged car its on sport compact i belive feb issue

[Strider]

yah, they had the City Turbo & and the City Turbo II. My bro told me it ran from 83 - 87. To lazy to look it up.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=667879

1983 Honda City turbo
1238cc ohc turbo
5spd [email protected]
[email protected] (redline 6500)
0-100 7 sec
1/4 mile 15.5
weight: 1500 pounds

[oojpeeoo]

i still respect hondas cuzz their the OG's of import tuning

[old_s13]

i still respect hondas cuzz their the OG's of import tuning

suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure -- thats wisdom right thurrrr buddy.

[AutoDestruct]

Sorry man but I don't think honda is anywhere near the OG status. I don't know who could really be the "True" OG of sport compart. Maybe the Mini or the VW aircooled bugs, maybe the first gen GTI. I don't know, MGB's? Pinto turbos, . ha? You know what I'm saying Old s13? Right? No way Honda :ghey:

[old_s13]

hehe internet sarcasm is amazing... ;)

the way I see it, honda sells well-engineered economy cars that have brought attention to the "automotive scene" because of the masses of "boy racers" who basically fix up something OTHER than a domestic car.

amazing how in the 90s, if you are into cars.. you have to be into muscle cars. then the honda scene got hyped up and all of a sudden idiots started saying stuff like "oh you're into rice grinders huh?" -- its like yeah, whatever.

what's even more funny is how these same FWD honda's are considered "handling machines" -- who wants a FWD handling machine? hmmm.. not me.

its nice that nowadays people are appreciating our cars more, but i still prefer the old days when NISSANs werent acknowledged.. it was nice owning something that was overlooked by the majority.

- mike

[old_s13]

i mean, thats not to say that cars like the s2000 and nsx arent amazing. when i speak of honda, i speak of the majority of civics and accords that are built up. not that they cant be fixed up nicely, but i just never understand FWD.. its just not for me i guess.

[deedeedum]

honda seems to do everything half way when it comes to making sports cars. the whole FWD thing pisses me off. they don't come with turbos on their cars, but they advertise their VTEC engines, making the typical everyday car idiot think it's the shit when it's not a big deal.

[D1drifter]

FF cars are the SUXOR!! hehe. Well i guessing their reason for building affordable cars is, while being fairly cheap compared to the competitors, is their view on safety. I mean, although they may not be "handling machines" on dry roads, they can hold their own, on lets say wet of snow drenched roads. Think of it, who wouldnt love to own an FF car if one lived in the Arctic(haha). FR cars would be crying for traction and spining out in every corner(unless driven properly). Not cool, and VERY dangerous. BUT since i live in Cali, I dont worry about that ish. :)

[old_s13]

honda seems to do everything half way when it comes to making sports cars. the whole FWD thing pisses me off. they don't come with turbos on their cars, but they advertise their VTEC engines, making the typical everyday car idiot think it's the shit when it's not a big deal.

BS. Honda cars have always been well-engineered and very much suite their purpose or design. Civics and Accords are budget commuter cars. The Civic SI is a performance 4-cylinder budget car, for what you pay its an excellent value and well built. Anyone stupid enough to knock Honda's should own a Ford, then realize the difference in quality. When VTEC was initially developed, there was NO manufacturer that could compete. NA Honda V-tec motors were WAY ahead of their time.

- Mike

[zenki03]

Hondas really dont need turbo from the factory...they have some of the highest output engines without turbo on the market if you think about it. and im comparing NA to NA

[old_s13]

Is this why NSX owners are always complaining about losing to other cars in straight line accelleration and always craving to go FI..?

Not dissing the NSX, I love the car.. but its just an interesting side note.

[OptionZero]

old_s13:
curious, didn't Honda get a patent or something so that other manufacturers could not use VTEC-like variable timing/cam profiles on their cars?

Without protection, i'm pretty sure any manufacturer would have the engineering capacity to also produce it.

Thus is the nature of capitalism, whatever you innovate, others will copy, and in the car industry, I'm pretty sure the technology would have been replicable and even improved upon, had Honda not held other companies down with a patent/copyright.

Nissan has the SR20VE
Mitsubishi has...MIVAC? whats it called?
Toyota has VVTiL or somethin'

Now that Honda's 'we got here else so nobody else can use it' advantage is over, they have been surpassed in FWD compacts..

The current Si is pretty much the worst of the sub-20K compacts, the Mazdaspeed Protege, Sentra SE-R, Ford Focus SVT, Ralliart Lancer, Mini Cooper S, and of course, the Neon SRT-4 are viable and superior competitors (the SRT-4 noticeably trouncing it for lesser green).

In the late '90's when the supercar died, Honda's advantage of affordable, reliable sporty econocars were the perfect car for the target market, but now...it's dead. The engineering and quality are still there, its just not enough.

Oh, and the new Accord is built in America now isn't it? I don't think it is significantly more reliable than others, I have heard of lots of problems with even Toyota and Honda in the civic, corolla, accord, and camry...which have lots of American made parts in 'em too. The term 'import' doesn't necessarily hold true with cars we've traditionally associated with japanese manufacturers.

Just tryin' to add to the discussion..

[old_s13]

When you patent something, other companies cannot copy your design and sell it for X amount of years.. I think its 7 or 10, I cannot remember. Either way, vtec was released in the early `90s and no other mfg's started working with such technology until the late `90s when others started hopping on the bandwagon.

Regardless of what people "rate" the new SI, I love it. My friend has a 2003 and I think its a great car for the money. Its interior is quite pleasant, one of the nicest low-buck interiors I've seen. It has really nice seats that are on par with the R32/R33 Skyline GT-R seats. The power output from the motor is quite useable, very torquey and not peaky like the previous Honda vtec motors. Besides being FWD, there's really not much bad I can say about the car.. even the price was easily affordable for my friend. I've driven cars like the Protege MP3 which my friend has, and I dont like that nearly as much. Not that its a bad car, but I just dont care for it much. I've driven Kid Zelda's what... 2001 Sentra SE-R Spec V? Even that was a pretty nice car for the money, strong motor.. pretty on-par with the SI. But, I think the SI really won me over with the GREAT interior.. like I said, those seats just rock. Even the steering wheel rocks, and the shifter is nicely placed and very convenient. Everything about the car was good, visibility and stability.. all nice.

Just because people dont like a car TODAY, doesnt mean they arent going to one day appreciate it. Hence, one of the reasons the 240SX has gained such popularity. Regardless of what people say about the SI, I think its a great car for the money.

- Mike

ps: There is a difference between a Japanese engineered car that was built in the US versus a car that was engineered in the US by Americans. Not dissing US and America, but I still dont appreciate the stuff that has "made in America" written on it.. and cars are no exception. There are VERY few american cars that I appreciate in terms of build quality, engineering, and design.

[OptionZero]

yup, i sat in a mustang at a show once...i touched the radio dial and it fell off. Seriously.

Touch.

Fall off.

Ouch

Anyways, I waas just pointing out..the Si has competition now, whereas before...what could compete with an Si? in '99 and '00 the was no protege, no ralliart, no SVT, no SRT-4, no SE-R!!
There was the Subaru 2.5RS which kicked ass, but was not nearly as well known (until now, i'd take one of them suckers).

The '99-'00 Civic Si had 160HP. The new one has a 2.0L engine, nearly a half liter more, and makes no more power, a little more torque, and weighs just as much. It also lost the double wishbone suspension I think.

I just don't see why you'd pick it over the competition. I also think its ugly, but that is highly subjective.

Of course, I haven't driven any of them, and i've only been in the Protege turbo ('03 model...different?). It also has a stock LSD, right? Looks snazzy as heck...

Were I in the market for a sub 20K car...(which i wouldn't...too many good used cars aviailable for 20k...)...i'd test drive an SRT-4 for the hell of it....maybe even lease it for fun for a month...test drive the Protege MP3....then...walk into the nissan dealership, look at the Sentra...laugh...

then buy a 1 year old WRX =P

[Burmonster]

I cannot think of ONE honda that comes stock, turbo.
- Mike

I have a 2003 Honda that came with a turbo stock.

http://www.pwctexas.us/pichonda04r12xaa.jpg
http://www.pwctexas.us/pichonda04r12xae.jpg
http://www.pwctexas.us/pichonda04r12xaf.jpg

Thing is fast as hell. 163hp of water shreading fury. Its only tried to kill me twice, bastard.

[old_s13]

Honda's have always had competition, VTEC or not. The SR20DE has been in Sentra's and 200SX's for a long time now.. sure, it may have not been as powerful but it still could compete. Lets not forget the new Celica GTS which comes with VVTLI, or even the old Celica GT-4 which come turbo and AWD -- rare sure, but still fast cars. Eclipse turbo's were always fast cars, shitty.. but fast. Maybe I shouldnt call them shitty because I know a lot of Eclipse enthusiasts, but personally I dont like the car.. I dont like the build quality. Even back in 1990, the 240SX could compete with the Integra.. even though the VTEC had more power, the 240SX had better all around characteristics and design.. which is why I still own one today. Hence, one of the many reasons people are selling their NEWER FWD cars and buying OLDER RWD cars. I mean seriously, I told one of my Honda friends the other day who owned a DA6 to sell for a DC2 because he wants something different. He tells me "no way, s14 is the only car I am buying." Im like uuuh okay, I dont get it.. how can people switch from Honda to NISSAN so easily? and NOW, after all these years? It just boggles my mind. BUT, people start to realize how shitty FWD can be and how much of a bargain the 240SX *still* is.

- Mike

[ONYX S-13]

if its jdm and its in japanese...why is the driver on the left side.

According to that lil animation hat i just watched the was the usdm accord..So maybe that amimation only applies to the US versions of the car...I always thaought that the Acura TSX was the JDM accord and the accords over here don't even exist in Japan..Can anyone else vouche for this?

[TRUENOCOUPE]

Im sure most Type R's out there can own 240SX in Road Racing... In a situation of the same money amount put in the car. A handling machine? Yes. The greatest handling machine? No.

However, I would rather go with RWD.

We all question ourselves.

If we buy our car for longevity and reliable then I would go NA any day over Turbo.

Honda and Toyota.

[AKADriver]

There was another turbo Honda, a version of the Legend sold for a year or so with a 2.0L turbo V6. Honda Legend V6Ti. Rare, 2500 built, of course none of them in the US.

OptionZero: people don't take it seriously, but the '98-'99 Neon R/T 0wn3d the '99-'00 Civic Si in pretty much every performance class (only matched in acceleration, but outhandled, easily). Yeah, the dashboard looked cheap. So what?

This new AWD system will most likely be seen first in the next Legend/Acura RL, which is LONG overdue. If Honda wants Acura to be taken seriously as a luxury brand, the next RL is going to have to KICK ASS the way the OG Legends did.

I'm done riding the RWD bandwagon for now. When you're talking production-based cars, it's just not that big a deal. Learn to drive, learn to tune a FWD suspension, it's fun. The challenges are different, every driving enthusiast should take on a well-balanced FWD car someday.

[TRUENOCOUPE]

Wanted to add. My pops had a Honda City at Phillipines. It was TURBO'ed.

[mellojoe]

And wasn't honda the first manufacturer EVER to produce 100hp per litre N/A from the factory?

1.6L 160hp Civic Si

I think Toyota is the only other car manufacturer who's been able to do that as well with their 1.8L 180hp Celica GTS (or the 1.8L 190hp Lotus Elise coming stateside)

[mellojoe]

[QUOTE=OptionZero]old_s13:
curious, didn't Honda get a patent or something so that other manufacturers could not use VTEC-like variable timing/cam profiles on their cars?

Without protection, i'm pretty sure any manufacturer would have the engineering capacity to also produce it.QUOTE]

One thing about patents...

If you patent something, you have to release all the engineering specs to your design. This is the way to ensure that others aren't copying it.

Some companies choose NOT to patent certain concepts simply because they do not want to release their engineering designs to the public. My previous company did not patent half of their designs. They knew with patenting they would keep the competitors at bay for a few years, but many would find a way to imitate the design without actually infringing upon the patent. Some companies find that it takes their competition several years just to de-engineer one of their designs before they can copy it.

Just a side note.

[AKADriver]

And wasn't honda the first manufacturer EVER to produce 100hp per litre N/A from the factory?

Not sure on that. The B16A came out in 1988 in Japan. I can't think of anything older than that.

Toyota is the only other car manufacturer who's been able to do that as well with their 1.8L 180hp Celica GTS (or the 1.8L 190hp Lotus Elise coming stateside)

Nah. Nissan SR16VE (185hp 1.6), the previous Elise's Rover K engine (180hp 1.8), a couple JDM Mitsubishi MIVEC motors, BMW E46 M3 (333hp 3.2), Ferrari 360 Modena (394hp 3.6)...

[old_s13]

I'm done riding the RWD bandwagon for now. When you're talking production-based cars, it's just not that big a deal. Learn to drive, learn to tune a FWD suspension, it's fun. The challenges are different, every driving enthusiast should take on a well-balanced FWD car someday.

Well.. some people like running with their hands, I guess. :)

[Burmonster]

Not sure on that. The B16A came out in 1988 in Japan. I can't think of anything older than that.



Nah. Nissan SR16VE (185hp 1.6), the previous Elise's Rover K engine (180hp 1.8), a couple JDM Mitsubishi MIVEC motors, BMW E46 M3 (333hp 3.2), Ferrari 360 Modena (394hp 3.6)...

Dont forget the SR16VE N1 which puts out 198hp out of the 1.6, thats the most hp/liter in a car at present.

[OptionZero]

A neon r/t over a civic? Blasphemy!! =P

The Type R is a limited production race car from the factory, you can't compare that to a 240.

For the sake of argument, however, if you put a stock Type R against say..a stock VLSD equipped '98 240sx SE, i'm fairly certain the Type R will rape it drag, auto X, and track. I gotta lotta respect for those Type Rs...

On the other hand, you want to talk potential...the Type R is the pinnacle of the DC2 (i think?) chassis, you can turbo it with some work...but you're not really improving the chassis, it's as prefectly tuned and balanced as you can get stock, FWD...

The RWD + 2.4L ready to be turbo'd engine makes the 240sx way better potential wise, its limit is greater than the Type R's.

I don't even know how a Type R could put down say...400HP without ruining all the "Type-R"-ness of its handling, but a 240sx can...

[Flybert]

honda seems to do everything half way when it comes to making sports cars. the whole FWD thing pisses me off. they don't come with turbos on their cars, but they advertise their VTEC engines, making the typical everyday car idiot think it's the shit when it's not a big deal.

BS. Honda cars have always been well-engineered and very much suite their purpose or design. Civics and Accords are budget commuter cars. The Civic SI is a performance 4-cylinder budget car, for what you pay its an excellent value and well built. Anyone stupid enough to knock Honda's should own a Ford, then realize the difference in quality. When VTEC was initially developed, there was NO manufacturer that could compete. NA Honda V-tec motors were WAY ahead of their time.

- Mike

When did the first gen B16A come out? Wasn't it in like 1990 or something like that. I think it put out 150 or 155hp. That's just fucking nuts for that period in time on such a small displacement engine. Then you can look at how the integra GSR was the basemark for sport compacts for pretty much an entire decade. Then there were the Type R's with their raw sports car nature. I drove an Integra Type R one time and the engine is music to the ears. Seriously had the best sound ever. I love Honda for all they've done to the automotive world. They've raised the bar for all the other companies in so many ways. I'm looking forward to seeing their future endeavours, specifically the NSX.

[cdlong]

would you pick this accord over other awd drive cars in japan? Not bashing, just wondering

no, because the accord is a FWD car with driven rear wheels, the G35 and 325ix (the only awd cars i would consider) are rwd cars with driven front wheels. the engine layout leads to better balance and the cars are tuned to act like rwd cars unless the extra traction is needed.

[ISTOTOSAO]

front wheel drive cars are the best thing to ever happen to the normal driver. you understeer around turns. how do you correct understeer? letting off the gas or stepping on the brake. natural reaction for Americans who don't need actual driving schools to get a licsens.

[megaseth]

^ exactly. most amercain non-car enthusiasts couldnt use a RWD car to its full potential. FF cars are easy to learn on and not mess things up.

Type Rs are pretty common in japan. check J's Garage. they always have them for sale, Tegs and Civics. the fact is, a type R owns a lot of cars in autoX, road course and semi-drag. the car has an almost perfect layout suspension wise from the factory. but i can be inhanced, just like the 240. i would take a civic hatch over a 240 any day of the week in an autoX or road couse. it wouldnt be as fun keeping the back end from sliding, but it would hanld much better.

as for the atessa system, its an electronically controled AWD system. sensors in the wheels measure wheel spin. if the car looses traction in the back, the power going there is lowered and more given to the front, and vise versa. paired with the Super HICAS system and its a very potent combo. not only does it pull out of turns faster because of the AWD and get off the line faster, but it turns better. this is the semi-same thing going on the new G35X.

ONYX- the TSX is the euro accord in japan. oddly enough, it isnt sold in europe.

and if you want to talk high HP/Per liter, lets get into F1...

[drift freaq]

ok kids class is in. The OG in Japanese import tuning is none other than DATSUN aka NISSAN!! They were and are Japans premier sports car company , hence like old_s13 pointed out earlier more turbo cars from Nissan than any other Japanese car company. Its like this, Japan broke into the sports car market with Datsun Roadster( yes Toyota built the 2000 but it was not made in any significant numbers. circa 1967) At the same time the Roadster was being sold Nissan released the 510 ( poor mans BMW 2002 ) which actually kicked the Alfa Romeo GTV's and the BMW 2002 's asses on race tracks world wide. 1970 Nissan release the Fairlady Z aka 240z . Nissan had also already been building the Skyline since 1967 but the Skylines greatness would not really begin to soar until the late 80's. In the meantime Nissan owned Toyota , Mazda, Honda , Suburu and all other Japanese car manufactures in sports compacts and sports cars . It was why Toyota came up with the Celica and Supra and why they made the MR2 and Mazda created the RX7. Honda the NSX and then very late to the game the S2000. Suburu with the WRX . Oh ya I almost forgot Mitsushitty reason mostly cheap attempts at sports cars that fell apart mostly fwd in a time when there were still a lot RWD.
I.E. It took Mazda and Toyota as well as Honda several years to catch up with Nissans already well established sports car heritage.
Mitushitty has been playing catch up for a long time as well. (On a side note there recent TV commercials citing then as starting the tuner thing just cracks me up. hahahha)
In fact Toyota had to to enlist Yamaha for Head design. Mazda relied on their rotary. Honda brought their 4 stroke motorcylce technology to cars i.e. very high revving sophiscated race bred engines. that were NA but were very low torque due to cam designs and the fact that they were based off motorcycle engines. motorcycles do not need nearly as much torque due to how light they are.
Honda would then take their knowledge to F1 in the mid 90's
Though overall in terms of sports cars and compacts Nissan has built more and sold more than any other Japanese manufacture.
sorry Honda boys but souped up grocery getters just don't qualify for this segment in my book.
Want to insult your drift/grip buddies in Japan ? Tell them they drive a Honda , hahahhahaha

[old_s13]

front wheel drive cars are the best thing to ever happen to the normal driver. you understeer around turns. how do you correct understeer? letting off the gas or stepping on the brake. natural reaction for Americans who don't need actual driving schools to get a licsens.

agreed..................

[megaseth]

drift, dont forget the the skyline had a pretty successful racing carreer in the late 60s early 70s. the fist GTRs were pretty badass. infact, many say the 2000 Skyline GTR is the best handling skyline ever built, and its over 30 years old. and yeah, the Dastun Roadsters and Z were the old school bad boys in the tuning world here. they kinda beat up on everyone at the tracks, and even Paul Newmen drove a Z in his racing carreer. and like you said, the 510 owned a lot of other cars too. lets face it, nissan has been spanking ass for a long time. it wasnt until people just stopped caring about performance and such in the mid 90s when they started really suffering. hence the dropping of many cool cars here, and the slow revival with semi cool car. yeah the Z is cool, but im just not feeling it. thank you Renault....damn frenchies...

[AKADriver]

heh, there were JDM ads for the DR30 Skyline with Paul Newman... the tagline was "The Skyline is terrific" or something like that, they had sound bites with him saying that... funny shit.

Honda motorsports has always primarily been open-wheel cars and motorcycles. They've been doing it a damn long time - Honda was building Grand Prix cars before they were building road cars. Great company, great racing heritage, it's just only applied to street cars a few times (anything Type-R, NSX, S2000, S600). Still, I get a little smile when I look at some of the engineering details of my car. Double-wishbone suspension at all four corners of a cheap econobox, who else would've done that? Even my basic D16Y7 pulls strongly and smoothly to 7100rpm, and the shifter is the only FWD shifter I've ever operated that didn't SUCK.

When I hear people say the average car enthusiast in Japan doesn't want them or respect them, I can't help but think of the stereotypical car enthusiast in the USA - blatty flowmasters on a clapped-out Mustang, Calvin pissing on Chevy sticker in the back window. It's no different. Not every car guy in Japan is a drifter, just like not every car guy here is a drag racer. Some people want to grip, some people like frenetic N/A power, and yes, some people actually like FF (I'm ambivalent - I adjust my driving style to suit and don't skip a beat).

[MakotoS13]

i usually dislike honda's products for a couple reasons:

-most of them are FWD
-the countless lemmings that believe honda to be some kind of mana from heaven to the car industry. (ya know, the kind of morons that use the term OG to describe their history...)

nice car though. a friend of mine has a new V6 accord, pretty cool. i turned him on to the 350Z, he's thinkin about a trade in :)

[AKADriver]

Honda brought their 4 stroke motorcylce technology to cars i.e. very high revving sophiscated race bred engines. that were NA but were very low torque due to cam designs and the fact that they were based off motorcycle engines. motorcycles do not need nearly as much torque due to how light they are.
Honda would then take their knowledge to F1 in the mid 90's

School is in for YOU:

Honda's engines produce more torque over a broader range for their displacement than almost anyone else. The "no torque" BS is an American-only gripe, because Honda doesn't Americanize their cars by installing larger engines. Of course a 1.6 isn't going to pull as strongly from idle as a 2.0. It burns me that people choose to blame this on tuning, or VTEC (which is patently false, VTEC ADDS low-end torque to a high-winding engine), or whatever. It's a case of smaller displacement. A Honda 1.6 will out-torque almost anyone else's 1.6, though. The SR16VE produces more torque at peak than the B16B but less in the low to mid ranges.

Honda have been racing in the highest levels of international motorsports since before they ever built a production car. They've been doing Grand Prix since before any of us were born - try the '50s, not the '90s.

[ONYX S-13]

ONYX- the TSX is the euro accord in japan. oddly enough, it isnt sold in europe.

So it basically replaced the Old Euro R that was sold in Europe and not in Japan and kept the name in the new model but discontinued makin them in Europe and now sells 'em in Japan?!?!?

Anyways from my previous post i answered something around the lines of "The reason why they driver is sittin on the left is cause the animation that it showed showed the american accord did it not? That's why i said maybe the awd accord will only be in america..I dunno though? Are those accord sold in Japan too? Or only the TSX version of the accord?

[MakotoS13]

School is in for YOU:

Honda's engines produce more torque over a broader range for their displacement

who cares? us saying no torque is because we're used to 300tq mustang's running around. relativity

[AKADriver]

I care, because he's spouting stuff about cam profiles and details like that when it's just a simple factor of displacement.

[AZiaNDriftRaceRX]

dude...awd accord...awesome!

[ThatGuy]

Dude..this threads almost a year old...don't revive anymore.



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[S14DB]

Holy Resurrected thread Batman!