mexicans?

[crazycuban]

that thread says its locked, so i couldnt post this there, sorry...
but in the future, be careful when u refer to hispanics...this is referring to the post about "mexicans" and their nike symbols.  unless u know for a fact that they're mexican, then theres a pretty #### good chance they're not.  that would be kinda like me calling all the asian peeps on this board "chinese" as in "they're all the same anyway".  i know not all asians are the same, and all hispanics are different too.  not trying to make too big a deal about this, it just makes me a little uncomfortable when hispanics are reffered to as "mexicans".

[whateverjames]

really disapointed in some of ya guys. thanks irena for closing that. i wish it had gotten locked sooner. if we're going to get all uptight about saying 'jap-spec', we need to treat other races with the same respect.

[KoukiS14]

You guys aren't any fun!! What race CAN we make fun of then?  ####. .

=)

u know I'm kiddin. .

-Rob

[whateverjames]

stick to the hondas <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[Kid Zelda]

I should punch Azarael in the tummy for starting such a stupid topic.... &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[Silvia95]

Ha ha...just tell Azarael not to paint his car pink...might clash with his red neck.....

[whateverjames]

well he obviously didn't mean TOO much harm. considering he said he's half mexican. he's probably new <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;come on people we're able to forgive right? hopefully he learned his lesson about all this.

[Drifting Ricer]

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'>:angry::angry:. I will not stand for this at all! Making fun of any race should not be tolerated! Azarael you're half Mexican then you just made fun of you're people (disappointing).

Thanx s13 girl.

[DSC]

Nevermind

(Edited by DSC at 12:12 am on Dec. 12, 2001)

[wav399]

Hmmm, guess it aint locked yet.:)

[HippoSleek]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from crazycuban on 8:40 am on Dec. 11, 2001
that thread says its locked, so i couldnt post this there, sorry...
but in the future, be careful when u refer to hispanics...this is referring to the post about &quot;mexicans&quot; and their nike symbols. unless u know for a fact that they're mexican, then theres a pretty #### good chance they're not. that would be kinda like me calling all the asian peeps on this board &quot;chinese&quot; as in &quot;they're all the same anyway&quot;. i know not all asians are the same, and all hispanics are different too. not trying to make too big a deal about this, it just makes me a little uncomfortable when hispanics are reffered to as &quot;mexicans&quot;.
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I'll go one step further. &nbsp;I don't care if every Hispanic in Denver is a Mexican - it has no buisiness being part of a bitch and moan about a window sticker. &nbsp;You don't like the sticker, you don't like the sticker... what's that got to do with the guy driving? &nbsp;Bad taste? &nbsp;Okay. &nbsp;What else? &nbsp;NOTHING! &nbsp;Does it say anything about people of his race? &nbsp;About people of his heritage? &nbsp;NO! &nbsp;So what good does referring to his ethnicity do? &nbsp;Create a helpful stereotype?

I can understand how this might be appropriate when hanging around with your boys, but on the internet, its not. &nbsp;We don't really know you or your intentions in making the remark. &nbsp;The flip side is that even if you are just saying it to be descriptive, you don't know how it will be used later. &nbsp;Maybe some racist leaning guy in YXY City reads that and starts disliking Latinos or lets it get into his head until he thinks he is better than that. &nbsp;Whatever, there just really doesn't seem to be a reason to include it. &nbsp;

I don't mean to be hard on Az or anyone else, but how often does mentioning someone's race really matter? &nbsp;Especially when it's a negative stereotype - It doesn't help explain, but it can help create hate.

Mark - who has 3 best friends that are Latino (2/3 are lawyers).

[DSC]

Nevermind

(Edited by DSC at 12:12 am on Dec. 12, 2001)

[Kid Zelda]

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from crazycuban on 8:40 am on Dec. 11, 2001
that thread says its locked, so i couldnt post this there, sorry...
but in the future, be careful when u refer to hispanics...this is referring to the post about &quot;mexicans&quot; and their nike symbols. unless u know for a fact that they're mexican, then theres a pretty #### good chance they're not. that would be kinda like me calling all the asian peeps on this board &quot;chinese&quot; as in &quot;they're all the same anyway&quot;. i know not all asians are the same, and all hispanics are different too. not trying to make too big a deal about this, it just makes me a little uncomfortable when hispanics are reffered to as &quot;mexicans&quot;.
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I'll go one step further. I don't care if every Hispanic in Denver is a Mexican - it has no buisiness being part of a bitch and moan about a window sticker. You don't like the sticker, you don't like the sticker... what's that got to do with the guy driving? Bad taste? Okay. What else? NOTHING! Does it say anything about people of his race? About people of his heritage? NO! So what good does referring to his ethnicity do? Create a helpful stereotype?

I can understand how this might be appropriate when hanging around with your boys, but on the internet, its not. We don't really know you or your intentions in making the remark. The flip side is that even if you are just saying it to be descriptive, you don't know how it will be used later. Maybe some racist leaning guy in YXY City reads that and starts disliking Latinos or lets it get into his head until he thinks he is better than that. Whatever, there just really doesn't seem to be a reason to include it.

I don't mean to be hard on Az or anyone else, but how often does mentioning someone's race really matter? Especially when it's a negative stereotype - It doesn't help explain, but it can help create hate.

Mark - who has 3 best friends that are Latino (2/3 are lawyers).</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Very well said...BUT! &nbsp;
Mark - who has 3 best friends that are Latino (2/3 are lawyers)&quot;

What does that have to do with anything ! ? What are you trying to say ! Seems like you're starting a stereotype.....now &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[nismo270r]

First of all, I would just like to say I'm not a racist, a bigot, or prejudice against any race. &nbsp;It's unfortunate that a small group of people who happen to be a particular race seem to set an example of what everyone thinks of their race. &nbsp;I hate to admit it, but there are stereotypes for a reason. &nbsp;They wouldn't be there, if they weren't true to some extent. &nbsp;Now, it's definitely not everyone in a particular race, mind you, but a small group that made their presence known due to their stereotypical ways. &nbsp;This is why I love Trey Parker and Matt Stone. &nbsp;Southpark makes fun of EVERYBODY...that's the only reason they can get away with it. &nbsp;####, they make fun of themselves the most, which I think everyone should be able to do. &nbsp;If you can't make fun of yourself first, what gives you the right to make fun of others? &nbsp;####, Matt Stone is Jewish, and they always have Cartman ripping on Kyle because he's Jewish. &nbsp;Just some food for thought...

[HaloZ]

who cares. if it was ment to hurt some ones feeling it's wronge, if it's just being descriptive, get over it. crist. #### Gen Y'ers are some uptight.

[mistert]

i dont even know what thread you're referring to, but the tendency of some people to get offended over any little thing (I.E. calling a car rice) can be ridiculous at times here. get over it, people will say things that hurt your feelings sometimes, life isnt fair, and you dont always get your way. get over it. no use bitching about it forever unless it is something really awful. referring to hispanics as mexicans isnt going to hurt anybody, especially considering that the person who did it was half mexican himself.

[Drifting Ricer]

I'm really going to take issue with you mistert buddy. Okay so if I start calling every with white person on the planet American how would that be? There are more then Mexicans that are Spanish. It's like calling a Japanese person Chinese. Look at least take the time to call some one by the country of origin.

I think it's cool to but you're flag on the car to show people were you from. As long as you aren't putting the flag all over the place. I'm disappointed in some of the people post to say the least. Ah well freedom of speech right?

[mistert]

thats not my point, i didnt say it was neccessarily right, im just saying: quit bitching and get over it (not to you or anybody else in specific)

[Drifting Ricer]

Whatever, At least there aren't any red necks in this forum 'cause I would of left already. Still not comfortable with this whole thing. Hmmmm?

[jay]

I hear ya T, seems like everybody has to always be so #### &quot;pc&quot; and so uptight about every little thing. That is what I say, &quot;shut the #### up and quit bitching.&quot; I don't get pissed if some dude calls me cracker or white boy. Who the #### cares? You guys act like it is the end of the world because someones feelings might get hurt and I really don't think that people are going to start hating mexicans because someone said that they all have Nike checks on their cars but Nismo does make a #### good point, there would not be stereo-types if they were not true to some extent.

(Edited by jay at 8<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>4 pm on Dec. 11, 2001)

[jay]

20 bux says the thread is going to be closed before tomarrow morning and this time don't start another one. The last one was closed for a reason....

[keepitmovin]

Did I make it? Well just my .02 cents I think that being racist is awful. But I also think that certain groups do &nbsp;have certin things they do but not all youll always find a different person (at least one). But to tell the truth my friend got all hyped from the movie &quot;the Debut&quot; or something and he was saying things like &quot; Its tight its filipinos racing and girls&quot; And I think its ok to have pride but dont think so much different. I watch a movie not because its all hispanics I just think as we are all one. But awe well i dunno what im trying to say, but I would like to see anyone tell me something to my face <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> not trying to be mean or anything but just saying. Words will never hurt..

[240sxspeedracer1]

I have love for everyone and for everyone's opinion.
Shit is, nobody can be free anymore with their speech.
I don't care if if this guy said that mexicans have NIKE checks on their car's, maybe that is his experience. &nbsp;
Trust me, when you are hispanic, you can tell the difference with who is who, ?verda drifting ricer?
me being hispanic as well, I can tell you that if someone has a stereotype then that is their problem. &nbsp;I joined this forum so that I can express my opinion and to hear everybody else's. I am not gonna criticize, but I might for fun
(I was kidding with you about the music stuff, kid zelda)
So just to let everyone know
I AM HISPANIC AND I DONT TAKE OFFENSE TO HIS COMMENT.
####, if you guys ain't spanish, then why the #### do u care, just let me be the one ot say something, I don't need other people fighting for my rights.

[misnomer]

####, y'all need to chill out. Mentioning a particular nationality in relation to a generalized aesthetic trend is really in no means racist. The focus was poking fun at the bigass sticker, not the person driving the car with it. I'm still trying to figure out exactly what was derogatory in the thread. Calling the drivers Mexican? I can accept &quot;jap&quot; as being a derogatory term, but calling &quot;Mexican&quot; derogatory is like saying &quot;American&quot; or &quot;human&quot; is derogatory. Grow up people. I personally think Irena was out of line closing that thread. This forum has a couple of Hispanic members, and none of them seemed to have had a problem with it. Nobody's bitchin' and moanin', we're just having a good clean laugh. The bitching and moaning only happened when the topic was closed (No direct offense at you, Irena, you are a mod and made a judgement call, even if I disagree with it)

Trying to knock Azrael, calling him a redneck? What does that prove about you? Trying to counter a remotely racist comment with a blatantly racist one is hypocritical, and in my opinion, painting you more of a bigot than the first guy. How do you think the forums Nevada yokels like seeing the term &quot;redneck&quot; thrown around? Quite frankly, we don't care, except when it's used as an attack agianst a person who simply said somebody was &quot;Mexican.&quot; Being Mexican isn't a disease or a defect, it's just like being American or Canadian (well, maybe not Canadian, they talk funny <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> ).

Jeeze, if somebody speaks up and says they're offended, I don't know of anybody here who will push the issue. No sence getting all riled up at who might be offended. That's where problems creep up, when folks are all worried about what might happen instead of waiting and seeing what does happen.

And I'm spent. . .

[crazycuban]

god ####...
i know stereotypes are there for a reason, but don't call all of us (hispanics) mexican. &nbsp;thats all i'm saying. &nbsp;if u would've said &quot;those hispanics and their nike stickers&quot;, then whatever...people have their own stereotypes and opinions, and honestly, me saying shit isn't gonna change ur stereotypes. &nbsp;just don't fucking call me mexican, and that's what ur doing when u call a random hispanic mexican. &nbsp;i wouldn't put that shit on my car, but assuming i did, u guys would call me a &quot;mexican with a nike sticker too&quot;. &nbsp;not that i have anything against mexicans - but im proud of what i am, just like i hope all of u are. &nbsp;
free speech? &nbsp;im all about giving opinions, but making the generalization that all hispanics are mexicans is not giving your opinion. &nbsp;if i posted that all black people are monkeys, then are u saying that thats an appropriate thing to say? &nbsp;
and 240sx, thats a narrow-ass point of view. &nbsp;at least with cubans, there are straight chinese cubans, straight black cubans, straight white cubans (like me), and mixed cubans. &nbsp;ur telling me that u'd think this black or chinese guy (thats not a generalization, there is a large chinese community in cuba) walking down the street is hispanic by looking at him? &nbsp;jesus christ. &nbsp;
&quot;if u guys aint spanish, then why the #### do u care&quot;? &nbsp;wtf? &nbsp;i'm not fucking spanish. &nbsp;i'm hispanic, i'm cuban, call me whatever u want. &nbsp;i'm not from spain. &nbsp;and why do u care whether this guy defends us? &nbsp;free speech, right? &nbsp;u dont need other peeps fighting for ur rights? &nbsp;do u know how many people who aren't hispanic have gotten u to where u are today? &nbsp;show some fucking respect for that.

jesus christ. &nbsp;not tryin to start any beef with u 240sx, this topic got way more heated than it was supposed to be. &nbsp;all i'm saying, is don't judge a book by its cover, and not all hispanics are mexicans. &nbsp;u can think it all u want, and i don't care. &nbsp;just don't say it. &nbsp;it pisses people off.

[mistert]

i dont think he was even saying that all hispanics are mexicans, he was just saying it was a mexican guy with a nike sticker. him being hispanic himself i think he can make the distinction. im white and i cna usually discern a mexican person from another kind of hispanic person, seeing as there are so many here. i could understand that you'd be taking offense if he had said &quot;some stupid beaner with a nike sticker on his truck&quot;, i think he was just making an observation. im white and i notice that the majority of people with peeing calvin or AINT SKEERED stickers on their trucks or cars are white as well. is this not the same thing as him (also half mexican) making an observation that most of the people he sees with nike stickers on their cars are mexican as well. am i going to get flamed for that?

case in point theres alot of things we find stupid that people do with their cars, and yes, certain ethnic groups are more inclined towards certain trends than others. if you dont wanna believe that, get over it, its the way things are, and crying racism isnt going to do anything about it

[240sxspeedracer1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from crazycuban on 1<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>7 am on Dec. 12, 2001
god ####...
i know stereotypes are there for a reason, but don't call all of us (hispanics) mexican. thats all i'm saying. if u would've said &quot;those hispanics and their nike stickers&quot;, then whatever...people have their own stereotypes and opinions, and honestly, me saying shit isn't gonna change ur stereotypes. just don't fucking call me mexican, and that's what ur doing when u call a random hispanic mexican. i wouldn't put that shit on my car, but assuming i did, u guys would call me a &quot;mexican with a nike sticker too&quot;. not that i have anything against mexicans - but im proud of what i am, just like i hope all of u are.
free speech? im all about giving opinions, but making the generalization that all hispanics are mexicans is not giving your opinion. if i posted that all black people are monkeys, then are u saying that thats an appropriate thing to say?
and 240sx, thats a narrow-ass point of view. at least with cubans, there are straight chinese cubans, straight black cubans, straight white cubans (like me), and mixed cubans. ur telling me that u'd think this black or chinese guy (thats not a generalization, there is a large chinese community in cuba) walking down the street is hispanic by looking at him? jesus christ.
&quot;if u guys aint spanish, then why the #### do u care&quot;? wtf? i'm not fucking spanish. i'm hispanic, i'm cuban, call me whatever u want. i'm not from spain. and why do u care whether this guy defends us? free speech, right? u dont need other peeps fighting for ur rights? do u know how many people who aren't hispanic have gotten u to where u are today? show some fucking respect for that.

jesus christ. not tryin to start any beef with u 240sx, this topic got way more heated than it was supposed to be. all i'm saying, is don't judge a book by its cover, and not all hispanics are mexicans. u can think it all u want, and i don't care. just don't say it. it pisses people off.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

this is why I love voicing my opinion, cause some guy comes and takes it out of what I meant and then tries to be the good guy while trying to make me look like the bad one.
1)when one says spanish, one is referring to the spanish speaking kind. I know cuban, this is ur second language, its a hard language right?
2)when i said the quote of &quot;if u arent spanish, then why the #### do u care&quot; I'm just saying that some people just like to post for the #### of it, they dont put any thought into it, and whenever there is some lil disagreement they wanna put their stupid ass opinion.
If there is a fucking prob with the other guy using the word mexican and nike sticker in the same sentence, either a mexican should say something, or someone who is spanish speaking should say something if they have a prob with it or if it is referring to all spanish speaking people. The #### guy who said mexicans use Nike on their car was just making a coment, he didnt say all spanish people look like mexicans, u sound like u are hiding some kind of deep dark secret, are you married to a mexican or something? Nobody called u a mexican calm down, did the guy ever say, &quot;hey, I saw crazycuban and he looked mexican&quot;? ur soo sensitive, u remind of my lil sister
3) I have no narrow point of view at all, thats why im stressing freedom of speech papito! I actually asked a question (1)&quot;why do u care if ur not spanish&quot; I didnt say (2)&quot;dont say anything if ur not spanish&quot;.
YOU SEE, in english, these are two different kinds of sentences, the first is a question, the second is a command. AHHHHHHHHH, now u see, I know its hard, english is a hard language but if u stick with it, u might get far, who knows, u might be a moderator of this site one of these days......well, u can dream for now...


(Edited by 240sxspeedracer1 at 1:39 am on Dec. 12, 2001)

[jay]

Once again T you take the words right out of my mouth. It seems as though the first thing everyone does when there is a hint of prejudice is jump on the racism bandwagon. Crazy I don't think that he said that you were mexican?
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I live in Denver, and i see these cars rolling around big ass nike symbols on the back windshield. I see them every #### day. Every time it's been a mexican, What's the deal?!?!? I think those #### nike decals look retarded. Someone explain why they do it, please.

ps. don't get offended cause i'm half mexican too <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

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Nowhere in there do I see him calling mexicans hispanics or vice versa and nowhere in there do I see him slurring any race or people. He was asking a question and even asked people not to be offended by what he said. How about we all get off the racism band-wagon and actaully look at the situation and analyze what was said before we start pointing fingers and getting pissed. 240sx I am not spanish but I do get pretty sick of everyone bitching and whining about being descriminated against or being unfairly treated because of race, skin color or gender. I am not ignorant nor am I a biggot and in my humble opinion I do beleive that most of the racism in this country has disappeared or at least greatly decreased over the past thirty years. So deal with the ignorant ones and quit bitching.

[crazycuban]

jesus christ...i'll make this simple.

did he see that these people were hispanic? &nbsp;yes
could he possibly know what nationality? no
did he generalize that they must be mexican? yes

so...

i am hispanic, and in generalizing hispanics as mexicans, u generalize me as a mexican. &nbsp;THATS what my gripe is. &nbsp;

[240sxspeedracer1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from crazycuban on 1:52 am on Dec. 12, 2001
jesus christ...i'll make this simple.

did he see that these people were hispanic? yes
could he possibly know what nationality? no
did he generalize that they must be mexican? yes

so...

i am hispanic, and in generalizing hispanics as mexicans, u generalize me as a mexican. THATS what my gripe is. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
obviously, the second question that u answered is wrong
could he possibly know what nationality? YES!!!
thats why he said what he said.
whispering:hey, crazycuban, r u really mexican, i can keep a secret, its ok to be mexican,
dont u just love the way mexicans talk, they talk like if they were singing, its like they stress every word
they be like
Mexican says: oyeeeeeee chicoooooo
if u ever come to NY u gotta ride the train, they be on the train selling AA batteries...
Mexican says: batteria one dollaaaaaa, oyeeeeeee, one dollaaaaaaaa, one dollaaaaaaaa

U see that statement, if anyone flames me for that, u better well be living in NY, cause if u dont, ur talking out ur ass, and for those of u who are thinking that im bullshitting, come to NY and ride the train, ull see im speaking gospel.
U see what i said, thats the same kind of shit that the other guy said, he said that mexicans around his way have nike signs, as funny as that is, its really true:)

[crazycuban]

originally posted by 240sxspeedracer1:
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YOU SEE, in english, these are two different kinds of sentences, the first is a question, the second is a command. AHHHHHHHHH, now u see, I know its hard, english is a hard language but if u stick with it, u might get far, who knows, u might be a moderator of this site one of these days......well, u can dream for now...
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yeah, u know what? u must be right. i don't really know english, my first language. u really got me there...i wish i was like u and knew english perfectly. what? i am not one of the &quot;spanish-speaking kind&quot;? oops, another dumb ass fucking generalization. keep sounding dumb, please.

[crazycuban]

ooooh, and she called me a mexican too. &nbsp;why dont u say more dumb shit while ur at it?

fuck this, im out. &nbsp;pc.

someone please close this topic.

[jay]

You guys need to chill. I am pretty sure that the three of us have pretty much exhausted all conversation on this thread. Lets just let it die.

[DSC]

Oh god, why do ppl always have to make it personal.
http://www.angelfire.com/dc/dsc240/lock

[nismo270r]

Jeezus christ people...Talk about getting stupid. &nbsp;I live in Indiana...and there's a LOT of...hmm...well...Rednecks here. &nbsp;I'm half Asian, and I've been called everything from a Jap, Chink, Chinaman, etc...I could give a care less, because all this shows me is how ignorant people like that are. &nbsp;It's just nice to know that I'm that much more civilized than those who feel that calling people of a different race a name makes them feel better about themselves or their race. &nbsp;I'll admit, I make fun of people...but it's not because of their race. &nbsp;It's because of their intelligence. &nbsp;It doesn't matter what race your are...anyone can be stupid or ignorant. &nbsp;crazycuban...you just need to chill the #### out about the whole &quot;generalization&quot; BS. &nbsp;Azrael wasn't racially attacking you...if you've got a problem with his comment, why don't you email or PM him...not the whole list. &nbsp;Just write a polite letter stating that his comment offended you and how or why it did. &nbsp;I'm sure he would have been more than happy to apologize. &nbsp; And just like mistert said, it's not like he said a REAL racist comment: &quot;some stupid beaner/spic/wetback/(whatever the #### else you want to say) put some Nike sticker on his truck&quot;....That sure would have been ground to get pissed about...but it didn't happen like that. &nbsp;I just look at it this way...WARNING: Don't read the next part if you get offended easily...it's gonna have a buncha bad stuff in it



chink, chinaman, jap, nigger, porch monkey, spear chucker, spic, wetback, beaner, towel head, camel jockey, sand nigger, dago, wap, greaser, kike, jew, frog, frenchie, kraut, mick, hick, hillbilly, redneck, hill womp, hill jack, cracker, mayonaise monkey, fag, homo, dike, pillow biter, ass pirate....I think that will be sufficient to get most people's temper rising...

What do you see when you see all of those words? &nbsp;Derrogatory names that people use to hurt other people's feelings? &nbsp;Why? &nbsp;They are just names that people have made to hurt others. &nbsp;But how does it actually hurt them? &nbsp;Physically? &nbsp;No... Mentally? Perhaps, but why? &nbsp;Why is it degrading? &nbsp;No one ever looks at it this way...No one ever stops and thinks about why it pisses people off to use such names? &nbsp;How come the words fuck, shit, bastard, #######, bitch, etc...are BAD words? &nbsp;Who was the person that determined these are bad? &nbsp;They are words just like all the others we use. &nbsp;We could very well say &quot;rainbow&quot; is a bad word. &nbsp;I just find the english language to be one filled with the most useless/meaningless words. &nbsp;Let the flames begin...

PS. &nbsp;I am not racist...I am not a bigot, and I am not prejudice...I hate everyone equally...what do you call that? &nbsp;:biggrin:

[Chokudori]

#### man, why can't some of you just accept what is wrong is wrong.

It doesn't matter how YOU use the word. It's how others take it. Do you go around calling people names thinking to yourself that it's not really a bad thing, and not care if the others are offended? I sure hope not. It's the same with refering all Hispanics as Mexicans, or calling Japanese &quot;Jap&quot;. There are plenty of people who don't like it, so just don't use it. It's as simple as that.

Don't start making excuses for using words that offends others. Come on guys, let's take this forum up to the next level.

[mistert]

im glad to see theres more people that actually side with me on this issue, i just dont see it as that big of a deal, i think we can all agree that we can say what we want unless its something ridiculously out of context.

and cuban if hes mexican himself or at least half mexican im sure that he is able to discern a mexican from just any spanish person. are you saying that japanese people cant tell themselves apart from chinese people? its not very hard for me to do either, and im white. i think maybe we should all just calm down and let go of this, im sorry if someone has hurt your feelings but that's going to happen every once in a while, whether its on the street, in the workplace, at school, or even on another internet messageboard, which is the last place you should be suprised at reading something you find offensive. believe it or not i myself have put up with racism in the past, as any other person from memphis could tell you, the city is majority black and alot of people will try to rattle you because they know they can. the only thing you can do about it is just try and get over it, dont let anyone hurt you because then they win, and say something to yourself like &quot;Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me&quot;

[nismo270r]

I'm making no excuses...People just need to learn to realize that there are people in this world that are going to offend you, hurt you, piss you off...and all that wonderful shit. If you just let it go and move on with life, things will most likely blow over...Sure if someone is harassing you, that's a different story. I think it's about time for me to join a car forum that actually discusses car stuff a majority of the time, or at least is somewhat moderated. No offense on Mark or any of the moderators...Just to be honest, I have gained much more knowledge from the 240SX.org list than anywhere else. I guess I'm just not a forum kind of person. I can just see what reply I'll get from this...&quot;If you don't like it leave...Quit bitching...etc..etc..&quot; &nbsp;Well, it may just come to that I guess...

(Edited by nismo270r at 2:41 am on Dec. 12, 2001)

[jay]

Nismo, I do agree with you but there are two forums: chat and tech. I would like to think that most of us are freinds in a sense and we are not always going to talk about car stuff that is why we have the chat forum.

[misnomer]

Sorry to offend any devout Christians, but God ####, are you people done yet? How many of you have even read this thread he's speaking of? I was the first to reply to it, and figgered somebody might possibly be offended by it, but it clearly wasn't intended to be offensive. The topic is around page three, I suggest you all go read it again and realize how childish you're being. SHore, the fact that he said &quot;Mexican&quot; instead of &quot;Hispanic&quot; was a bit of a generalization, but did you consider he just might know for sure? ####, I'da done the same thing 'cause statistically speaking (at least in my region), assuming somebody is (or was) Mexican when they look it is usually right on. Let it go man, just let it go. Love yer brother :-)

Everybody's trying so hard to be different, so hard to identify themselves as something, you're forgetting we're all human first and foremost. Ever wonder why there isn't a scientific name to specify particular races beyond &quot;homo sapien?&quot; Because it really doesn't matter where you come from. So your Japanese? Congratulations. Mexican? Hey, more power to yah, love yer food.

&quot;When there's only one race, and that's Mankind. Then we shall be free&quot;

I thought I was done before, but I s'pose there was more to say. THIS topic should really be locked, 'cause it's just rediculous. Mebbe we should all get the Assclown award for dragging on a topic that really is no big deal.

[jay]

http://onwhite1.hypermart.net/assclown.jpg
Courtesy of Freak Leash 240

[mistert]

HEY MISNOMER JUST BECAUSE IM A HUMAN IM A HOMO? WHATS THAT SHIT ALL ABOUT IM CALLING THE RACISM POLICE, YOU'RE GOIN DOWN BUDDY

[jay]

Yeah, WTF!! I am as straight as the next guy. That is bullshit always bashing on gays like that and slinging slurs everywhere. ####!

[nismo270r]

Jay...I understand where you are coming from...Perhaps Mark should consider starting an &quot;Off-topic&quot; Forum? :biggrin:

[jay]

Yeah I can definately see where this thread has turned into a bunch of bullshit and aside from that one thread that the dude said goodnite, I really cannot think of any others that stick out as being extremely off-topic. Perhaps he should make an off-topic forum. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> But I have learned a whole shit load in the past four weeks or so...

[misnomer]

w00t, finally y'all lighten up a bit . Dunno where sexual orienation came on the topic (not that there's anything wrong with that), prolly something I said :-)

And, mistert: BRING IT BIZNIATCH! YO SUPERIOR STRENGTH IS NO MATH FOR MY INFERIOR INTELLECT BOI!! WHEN I'M DONE GETTIN' BEAT DOWN YOU'LL BE CRYIN' FOR MOMMY TO MAKE THE PAIN STOP!!

uh, I hope we don't get banned. An off-topic forum would be a blast, though, I second :-)

[mistert]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">....beyond &quot;homo sapien?&quot; Because it really doesn't matter where you come ....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

RIGHT THERE BUDDY that's a derogatory comment, saying homo, and its people like you that ruin the world calling people homos.

[crazycuban]

sorry for being a part of making this bigger than it is. &nbsp;all i wanna say is that this is a car forum. &nbsp;if it makes someone uncomfortable the way u say something, then why say it? &nbsp;we're here cuz we love 240sx's, so lets just get back to talking cars instead of trash, race, free speech, whatever.

[HippoSleek]

well said crazy. &nbsp;I am in the same boat and feel the same way. &nbsp;On the same note, I would ask that before you describe someone by a characteristic they can't change (race, gender, orientation, disability), take a second and see if it is necessary for the story. &nbsp;If not, think about cutting it. &nbsp;Even if you don't mean to, it may make someone upset - even if you share the trait.

[240sxspeedracer1]

like i said before, I love everyoine and their opinions.
Crazy, dont get offended by what i said before, just playing dog.
I just want to say one final thing on this thread, I dont feel that the guy that said &quot;mex use nike checks&quot; was trying to deisrespect anybody, he is just a new guy and to me is cool for just voicing his opinion. &nbsp;I am just saying that freedom of speech is something that we can exercise but like everyone will agree, it should be exercised with caution, cause it could hurt somebody.
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> peace!

[Kid Zelda]

####......what did I miss ! ? &nbsp;A massive amount of B/S...hmmmm.....

[jay]

lol, yeah I have been wating for someone to close the thread...

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from jay on 12:56 pm on Dec. 12, 2001
lol, yeah I have been wating for someone to close the thread...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Why close it? You guy's are big boy's and can talk your own problems out. You want it closed then don't reply, post go away quickly then <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[jay]

Yeah, I want it closed but I keep replying to it. Haha I am dumb... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[HaloZ]

http://www.z32.org/unsorted/awesomethread.jpg

[Kid Zelda]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from HaloZ on 1:10 pm on Dec. 12, 2001
http://www.z32.org/unsorted/awesomethread.jpg</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hey HaloZ...man, I wouldn't be posting pic's of myself.......but umm..how tall are you? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[HaloZ]

HA HA......................

BTW. im half spic and half honky. cant u tell.

(Edited by HaloZ at 4:28 pm on Dec. 12, 2001)

[mistert]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from HaloZ on 3:24 pm on Dec. 12, 2001
HA HA......................

BTW. im half spic and half honky. cant u tell.
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

you sure its not half donkey?

[HaloZ]

http://www.z32.org/unsorted/rob2.jpg

[bing]

im a racist and a bigot, so fuck you all...

you think other forums are copy and pastin this thread and laughing, i think they are... infact i think im gonna post it in other forums so people can see how mature we are....

[Kid Zelda]

Why are you going to put it on other fourms for!? &nbsp;u dumb <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[bing]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Kid Zelda on 4:40 pm on Dec. 12, 2001
Why are you going to put it on other fourms for!? u dumb <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

no i'm not dumb at all?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

and i am not even on any other forums &nbsp;K?

[S13Grl]

Good god!