The Z32 300zx vs other cars of its era.

[afmike]

I've been seeing a lot of 300ZX cars for really cheap and in great shape lately, most recently on BAT. Ranging from 8k to about 14k for a good to great condition twin turbo model. What i'm wondering is why? To me this is the normal price that a car of this kind from the 1990s should be. Perfectly reasonable. However I am asking myself why? Why is it so cheap?

Supras of the same condition i've seen for 10s of thousands more up to in the 30s. The same for a Rx7. However like the 300ZX a Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 will be cheap as well. However there is a major difference between a 3000GT and a 300zx.... the 3000GT is shit. Literal shit. As in it definately is worth thouosands less. Terrible AWD system, terrible motor, poor overall quality, stuff breaks all the time. They are literally bad cars. However what matches that? The rx7? The RX7 has poor reliability as well. However it has great handling, weighs under 3000lbs, and is all around awesome. The Supra? Is it worth more? It's faster if you build it, which most people wont. It has rather poor handling much like the 3000GT but for different reasons. However it looks great and was in the Fast and the Furious movie so you have to pay the seller a Fast and the Furious tax to own one. Is it $20k better than a 300zx? No it is not. Is it $10k better than a 300zx? No it is not. So why is it $20k priced higher than a 300zx?

The 300ZX has aged appearance wise just as well as a supra. Handles better than a supra. Has similar performance potential. Similar reliability. However it wasn't the feature car in a bad movie. It was on Kill Bill but a woman owned it and she had an arm amputated. Not much about boy racers there. The RX7 you can't build easily to insane power like the supra much like the 300zx, of course like I said most people (probably a good 90%) wont be doing that anyways.

I'm just wondering if i'm missing something. Why is a 300zx as cheap as it is? Why does it seem nobody seems to care about them? Seems rather arbitrary to me. It is simply on equal footing or better than any car from the 1990s japanese cheap supercar wars. Why does a Supra and RX7 warrant a NSX price tag?

[LoneStarSilvia]

The market dictates the price.

Let's be real, most Nissan enthusiasts are frugal at best. FD and Supra owners are some of the most meticulous, enthusiastic and (sometimes) knowledgeable people I've ever met. They generally take great pride in their cars, and their asking prices reflect that. Plus like mentioned above, you're much more likely to find a FD or Supra in great shape versus a Z32. I would also say I think the cramped engine bay scares off some would-be owners, causing sellers to lower their prices to make a sell.

Weird how it works like that because I'm a big fan of the Z32.

[kidbandikoot]

amazing cars tht they are... timeless look... great powerplant.. however having pulled dropped and overhauled quite a few of the vg's they are definitely no stroll thru the park.
if ur interested in one DO YOUR RESEARCH and even then find a TRUE specialist (few and far between) on the vg30dett motor and z32 chassis.

[Miguelone]

Engine out.

[zurud]

cram engine bay and dual on everything make me stay away from v series engine.

[MedHat240sx]

i am curious as to this aswell, in canada my buddy bought a 1998 Limited Edition supra, minor mods it was a track car for 32000.00$ yet he coulda got a as clean RHD for 11000.00$

[MedHat240sx]

amazing cars tht they are... timeless look... great powerplant.. however having pulled dropped and overhauled quite a few of the vg's they are definitely no stroll thru the park.
if ur interested in one DO YOUR RESEARCH and even then find a TRUE specialist (few and far between) on the vg30dett motor and z32 chassis.

theres a fella were i live with a 1200 hp VG twin turbo 300zx

[91sil80]

i paid 11k for my TTZ, i didnt want to pay that much at all but finding one that was low mileage with extensive maint records and original owner is getting very hard. Ive ripped complete drivetrains out of these cars and they are for sure reserved for people who dont mind getting their hands dirty.

[imotion s14]

The market dictates the price.

Let's be real, most Nissan enthusiasts are frugal at best. FD and Supra owners are some of the most meticulous, enthusiastic and (sometimes) knowledgeable people I've ever met. They generally take great pride in their cars, and their asking prices reflect that. Plus like mentioned above, you're much more likely to find a FD or Supra in great shape versus a Z32. I would also say I think the cramped engine bay scares off some would-be owners, causing sellers to lower their prices to make a sell.

Weird how it works like that because I'm a big fan of the Z32.

I think it has more to do with the fact that the Z32 out sold both of them combined by close to 4 to 1.

Z32 = 85k
FD = 12k
Supra = 13k

[gist864]

i was wondering this as well. The only thing i knew was the cramp engine bay and that they are heavy.

[silviaks2nr]

I think it has more to do with the fact that the Z32 out sold both of them combined by close to 4 to 1.

Z32 = 85k
FD = 12k
Supra = 13k

This. Supras and fd's are fairly rare cars too. They also look a lot better and have their own cult type following. The 300z and vr4 really don't have much going for them in the styling or the performance department. The potential is not there compared to a 2jzgte or 20b.

[Flicktitty]

Yeah, Production numbers plays a huge part into it. Not to mention the sheer availability of parts. The Timeless looks and the ease of working on the Supra makes it that much better. I really like Z32's i just hate the idea of working on them.

[uraznfriend]

i heard this from a police officer the other month, he said that 1 out of 3 times officers pull over a 300zx that that person is carrying some kind of illegal substance, this is in San Diego, im not sure if that has anything to do with the market price but its interesting to say the least

[omgRWDgoodness!]

So refreshing to see a legitimate thread started by someone who uses proper spelling and grammar (for the most part) with coherent thoughts conveyed clearly. Thank you for making my day and giving me some hope.

Zilvia noobs and retards; just copy what OP did since learning is not in your leixcon and neither is any tiny fragment of originality or uniqueness.

[khabra]

I've seen a whole bunch of Fd3s around here on Craigslist for under 16k. The clean tt z32s around here I've seen go for about 15-20k. Supras are still around 24k.

[Flicktitty]

I've seen a whole bunch of Fd3s around here on Craigslist for under 16k. The clean tt z32s around here I've seen go for about 15-20k. Supras are still around 24k.

I've noticed over the last couple years Z32 TT prices actually going UP for really nice ones. FD Prices have seem to be pretty steady in the 12-18k range. MKIV TT's are usually 18-30k

[fliprayzin240sx]

It all comes down to availability and Fast & Furious. If it wasnt for F&F, FDs and MKIVs wouldnt be so damn expensive. FDs got cheaper compared to MKIVs because they found out how shitty/tempermental the 13B is.

[MrSanchez925]

Z32s are cheap because of how many were produced.

When I first bought my tt, 4 years ago, they were cheap. Prices are going up since a clean taken care of one is hard to come by now.

Z32 enthusiast are some of the most knowledgeable people I've ever talked to.

[Bambi]

i heard this from a police officer the other month, he said that 1 out of 3 times officers pull over a 300zx that that person is carrying some kind of illegal substance, this is in San Diego, im not sure if that has anything to do with the market price but its interesting to say the least
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[inopsey]

i heard this from a police officer the other month, he said that 1 out of 3 times officers pull over a 300zx that that person is carrying some kind of illegal substance, this is in San Diego, im not sure if that has anything to do with the market price but its interesting to say the least

i wonder what those statistics are like for 240sx drivers?

[EDacIouSX]

imo Z32s are kind of ugly... especially when compared to a MKIV and FD

[EDacIouSX]

i wonder what those statistics are like for 240sx drivers?

depends what race is driving that 240. hahaahha

[KiLLeR2001]

I think the largest deciding factor is production quantity.

US Production Numbers:

FD3S - 13,879.
MKIV - 11,239.
NSX - 8,997.
Z32 - 89,156.

Pretty big difference, as you can see.

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And for shits and giggles...

S13 - 213,129
S14 - 38,281

[KOUKIboy]

It all has to do with the rarity of the car, Z32's can be found everywhere!!!!, and FD's and Supras on the other hand are rare to come by, damn there's more Z32's than S14's?!? lol

[Trinidrift3]

op does make a good point. what does the z32 not have that the fd3s and jza80 have?
fd3s is lighter but less powerful
jza80 is more powerful but heavier.

in the end i feel they are all quite similar. each have there up and downs, but nothing that makes one blow the doors off the others in stock form. it comes down to availability and the fast and furious hype.
personally my fav of the three is the fd3s. but i have always had a sweet spot for the z32. just my .02 cents

and for those who say the z32 is ugly:

http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a419/Trinidrift3/tumblr_m9mclfhBNf1qfbjkco1_500.jpg

[Corbic]

It all comes down to availability and Fast & Furious. If it wasnt for F&F, FDs and MKIVs wouldnt be so damn expensive. FDs got cheaper compared to MKIVs because they found out how shitty/tempermental the 13B is.

I disagree.

Supra is a Supra. Hell look at the SC prices, their not exactly cheap and they look no where near as good, nor do they have a 6spd getreg and twin turbos.

The car is the last of the Japanese Super Cars. Its performance is unquestionable, its potential limitless. With or Without FNF it would be what it is. Just look at the prices in Japan. Their not cheap there either.

[Corbic]

op does make a good point. what does the z32 not have that the fd3s and jza80 have?
fd3s is lighter but less powerful
jza80 is more powerful but heavier.



The MKIV and FD are both significantly newer. The rear suspension on the Supra is far superior allowing it to squat and launch better. The 2JZ is a monster and easy to work on.

The FD is simply gorgeous, timeless and one of the best looking cars from the 90's. The only reason it's price doesn't match the Supra's is because of the cost of the Rotary. Once you factor in the extra cost in upkeep, moding, limited potential and rebuilds - you're in Supra money. Many do high-end LS-Swaps, these cars easily exceed $40k in expenditure and fetch over 20k on the used market.


As others have mentioned, the Z's flooded the market with the long build cycle, they also fell into disarray thanks to second hand owners and technology wise didn't compete with the FD and Supra. 1989 vs 1992

[blessedhellrider]

I think the largest deciding factor is production quantity.

US Production Numbers:

FD3S - 13,879.
MKIV - 11,239.
NSX - 8,997.
Z32 - 89,156.

Pretty big difference, as you can see.

edit:

And for shits and giggles...

S13 - 213,129
S14 - 38,281

id like to know the number that exists today?

[wiammaren]

cram engine bay and dual on everything make me stay away from v series engine.http://webcardid.com/apple/images/a15http://webcardid.com/apple/images/k3

[LoneStarSilvia]

Holy crap, I had no idea they made that many Z32's, that's pretty surprising. Zilvia taught me something today, CRAZY!

[MADE]

The market dictates the price.

Let's be real, most Nissan enthusiasts are frugal at best. .


I think a more accurate statement would be 240SX owners are frugal, a good perceantage of the Z community are older and are willing to drop some coin. 240SX owner are a younger crowd who can afford a cheaper chassis to get into, for the purpose of racing and or apperances. Also modifing a Z is $$$ compared to the Supra. When I was young a wanted a Z, when I could afford one, and saw the price difference compared to a SR/240 I choose option B. I will probably by one when I have loooong money.

[Matej]

Nissan made that many Z32's to ensure there are plenty of brakes to go around for the 240SX, especially now that we need four calipers in the rear.

[Tuloabe617]

Nissan made that many Z32's to ensure there are plenty of brakes to go around for the 240SX, especially now that we need four calipers in the rear.

LOL this is some very good reasoning!!! haha

[Driftpretty]

Nissan made that many Z32's to ensure there are plenty of brakes to go around for the 240SX, especially now that we need four calipers in the rear.

bahhaahahahahahahahah :drama:

[fyneyoungstunna]

I have often sat and wondered this myself. As a z owner I must say though that the engine bay isnt as cramped as most people make it out to be. I have giant hands and do just fine. Performance wise a z32 in most situation aside from drag racing will crush the competitors...sans the rx7. Power wise the VG has untapped potential as just a narrow few people have really tried to pull MONSTER power out of it like the 2jz.
I do agree that its the movie world that made the prices go up, just like the corolla...

[TTZ32-2+2]

Z32 has always been a dream car to me since it fierst came out(i was in jr high)and i can honestly say i never knew what a supra or 2jz was until fast and furious simply because id never seem one.after the movie tho i did fall in love with the toyota:) .dollar for dollar IMO the Z32 Twin Turbo is it.and the supra is much easier to work on and easier to get those bigger turbo=more hp because of the inline 6.if money was no object id own one of each,but since im middle class ill stick with my Z...

[breadboxxx]

I could be way wrong but I'm pretty sure at least the FD was marketed to compete with luxury sports cars, and as such was priced similarly. Which makes the production numbers make sense. I think the Supra may have been as well.

[Corbic]

I could be way wrong but I'm pretty sure at least the FD was marketed to compete with luxury sports cars, and as such was priced similarly. Which makes the production numbers make sense. I think the Supra may have been as well.

All 3 would have cost nearly $60k new today.

[Rustys14]

Production numbers play the biggest role plus the na z32's are plagued with injector and wiring harness problems. I do love driving them though.

[feito]

imho, z32's look ugly COMPARED to the other two, plus like everyone else has said, the engine bay...

[simmode1]

This is a great discussion. For a long time, I thought about getting a Z33TT since they were so cheap near me. But you guys are right, prices are starting to go up on them.

So now I'm looking at this dirt cheap underrated classic more and more:
http://grandnostalgic.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/IMG_8831.jpg
http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/z31.jpg
Thing looks like the 180sx's daddy...

[Rustys14]

^^^ I always liked the z31. Its such a underrated chassis, plus I think it looks cool in a 80's sort of way. The main thing that scares me away from them is the limited aftermarket support. There are some really nice z31 builds out there though.

[jamg]

the usual crowd for a TTz, are males who are late into their 30's-40's.

Even guys in their 50's drive them.

but i never really saw the reason as to why the TT models were so expensive. I've seen some for sale, and have been for sale forever because there ins't a buyer for it. and they keep the price the same and just let it sit. i personally don't see the high value in paying $8k for a 90's turbo car.

[simmode1]

^^^ I always liked the z31. Its such a underrated chassis, plus I think it looks cool in a 80's sort of way. The main thing that scares me away from them is the limited aftermarket support. There are some really nice z31 builds out there though.
^^^True. But the Z31 definitely has some development going on beneath alot of ppl's noses. I think 240 guys are quietly creeping on that platform, developing new stuff and keeping quiet about it. Serial 9 adapters + S13 coilovers are all the rage over there from what I can tell.

Seems like the average guy who has cut his teeth on an completed S-chassis build might find the Z31 a bit of a familiar challenge.
but i never really saw the reason as to why the TT models were so expensive. ...i personally don't see the high value in paying $8k for a 90's turbo car.
Probably because they can still outperform much newer cars. They really are a bargain for the potential that you're getting at that price, IMO. Not many cars in the same $8k price range can keep up.
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[bigyellowevo]

Interesting thread. I'm considering selling my 97 Kouki and picking up a 300zx turbo or mr2turbo. These cars are a steal for the performance available considering the price.

[kalypso123]

I honestly cant see how a z32 could go for more then 4.5k.

8k is way too much for a car that old... and the VG is a motor that struggles to generate power reliably over 400hp.
you can get a decent 350z for 8k...

Unless I'm missing something, these prices don't make sense to me.

If I picked one up I would drop a VQ into it... or maybe an LS engine

[Corbic]

I honestly cant see how a z32 could go for more then 4.5k.

8k is way too much for a car that old... and the VG is a motor that struggles to generate power reliably over 400hp.
you can get a decent 350z for 8k...

Unless I'm missing something, these prices don't make sense to me.

If I picked one up I would drop a VQ into it... or maybe an LS engine

Sure bro. A 300hp twin turbo car is only worth the price of a rusted Honda or a Dodge Neon. Cool story. Even more ironic is you then want to put a VQ in it - an engine that IS KNOWN TO BE INCAPABLE of making more then 450whp on a stock block :facepalm:


A VG's stock pistons start to go at 550whp. The biggest limiting factor in the stock car are the shitting ass turbos. To swap them out, you have to pull the engine. This, and the fact that they are more common, is why the Supra and RX7 are worth more.

Next your going start bitching about 930 prices because they are to old and slow...

[simmode1]

I honestly cant see how a z32 could go for more then 4.5k.

8k is way too much for a car that old... and the VG is a motor that struggles to generate power reliably over 400hp.
you can get a decent 350z for 8k...

Unless I'm missing something, these prices don't make sense to me.

If I picked one up I would drop a VQ into it... or maybe an LS engine
HUH?!?
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I wouldn't mind cross shopping an Z32 vs a Z33 at the same price at all. Because they are both great performances at that price but both perform very differently. That Z32 is a powerhouse compared to the Z33. But the Z33 would be less problematic being newer and N/A.

I judge the value of the car based on its fun factor compared to other cars of its era. If its got WAAAAY more fun/power/performance potential, I think it should cost a little bit more. I think It would be weird to be able to pick a Z32TT up for the same price as a Civic of the same age. But when you compare the Z32 against it's true rivals from that era, you realize $8k is a bargain for that kind of performance. S-chassis guys are just spoiled since our cars are dirt cheap and priced to compete with Civics, Neons and Eclipses...

I also dig the SW20 MR2. Very sexy and rare car. But that snap oversteer stuff makes me hesitate. And I hear the labor on that car is every bit as frustrating as the Z32. SW20 prices aren't that far off from Z32 prices too. I want something that is cheap and disposable like a 240, but already has a engine full of potential so it won't need a swap. Hence the Z31.

[Corbic]

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/peternorth300zx.jpg

http://image.superstreetonline.com/f/features/sstp_1012_1993_nissan_300zx/34970796+w640/sstp_1012_01_o+1993_nissan_300zx+right_side_view.j pg

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1993 Nissan 300ZX
Owner Peter North
Hometown Newport Beach, CA
Occupation Being the Ultimate Stud
Power 518whp, 478ft lbs of torque

Engine 3.0L V6 VG30DETT; Stillen air ducts, 1/4 pipe, oil cooler kit; port polished manifolds; Jim Wolf dual intake; HKS GT2530 turbos, turbo timer, intercooler, and DLI Twin Power Ignition; Unorthodox Racing pulley set; Extrude Honed lower and upper plenum; CP 8.5:1 pistons; Crower rods; ported and polished heads; Nismo 740cc injectors; Blitz boost controller; Specialty Z exhaust

Drivetrain Automatic transmission; 4000 high stall torque converter

Footwork & Chassis Stillen front adjustable control arms, rear camber arms and tension rods, Eibach springs

Brakes Goodridge stainless steel brake lines; Motul RBF 600 fluid

Wheels & Tires Volk Racing GT-P wheels 17x8'' (front), 17x10'' (rear)

Exterior 300ZX Turbo lower front bumper



Read more: 1993 Nissan 300ZX - Man Powered - Quickie - Super Street Magazine (http://www.superstreetonline.com/features/sstp_1012_1993_nissan_300zx/#ixzz2Ifj8Pj73)

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[thedeadking]

The 300zx (Z32) in its first year sold more than ALL the RX7's, Supra's and 3000GT's combined. This wasn't because Nissan flooded the market, but because of the demand for these excellent cars.

For the idiot who said the Z32 can't generate over 400 hp reliable, here are two Z's making over 400 whp on stock turbos, stock internals, and 91 octane.

Demolishing the Stock Z32 Turbo Record | Specialty-Z (http://specialtyz.com/blog/?p=441)

Backin’ it up! (Stock Turbo Mayhem) | Specialty-Z (http://specialtyz.com/blog/?p=948)

The nice thing about owning a Z is the history and the community that comes with it. Every year, the Z community holds national events including Z Car Convention, Z Nationals, ZDayZ, Branson Z Fest, along with many regional events.

[Evan(CA)]

The 300zx (Z32) in its first year sold more than ALL the RX7's, Supra's and 3000GT's combined. This wasn't because Nissan flooded the market, but because of the demand for these excellent cars.

For the idiot who said the Z32 can't generate over 400 hp reliable, here are two Z's making over 400 whp on stock turbos, stock internals, and 91 octane.

Demolishing the Stock Z32 Turbo Record | Specialty-Z (http://specialtyz.com/blog/?p=441)

Backin’ it up! (Stock Turbo Mayhem) | Specialty-Z (http://specialtyz.com/blog/?p=948)

The nice thing about owning a Z is the history and the community that comes with it. Every year, the Z community holds national events including Z Car Convention, Z Nationals, ZDayZ, Branson Z Fest, along with many regional events.


2nd everything. There is no better bang for your buck sports car than the z32, these were 40 thousand dollar cars 20 years ago. They really are an amazing value today if you can find one in decent shape. I have a feeling most of the negative comments are from people who's experience with these cars consist of looking under the hood at car shows.

I have over 400whp on 91 octane and completely stock motor and turbos on my Z too.

http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/EvanSila/Dyno-2.jpg

[rwtf]

I think the z32 should have came with the Rb series....

[MrSanchez925]

I honestly cant see how a z32 could go for more then 4.5k.

8k is way too much for a car that old... and the VG is a motor that struggles to generate power reliably over 400hp.
you can get a decent 350z for 8k...

Unless I'm missing something, these prices don't make sense to me.

If I picked one up I would drop a VQ into it... or maybe an LS engine

Shoot yourself please.
before you spread even MORE worthless utter crap information.


There are many TT's pushing over 400whp reliably on stock block.

Do some research before you try and lay out fact.

[jamg]

so the god father of cum shots in porn drives one... nice.

[waxball88]

As much as i love my nissans, i find the 300zx to be the ugly red headed stepchild of the nissan racing lineage.
I'd take an FD or MKIV over a 300zx any day.
The MKIV is a beautiful platform to begin with, exquisite interior styling, way more aesthetically pleasing. Not to mention in BPU++ trim they make great power reliably. Jesus is the 300zx bay a cluster fuck.

[fyneyoungstunna]

As much as i love my nissans, i find the 300zx to be the ugly red headed stepchild of the nissan racing lineage.
I'd take an FD or MKIV over a 300zx any day.
The MKIV is a beautiful platform to begin with, exquisite interior styling, way more aesthetically pleasing. Not to mention in BPU++ trim they make great power reliably. Jesus is the 300zx bay a cluster fuck.

Who in their right mind doesn't find the interior of the Z to be sleek and stylish? Have you ever even sat in a Z?

After reading all the posts on reliable power did you still try to use that as an excuse? Hell there is even a guy who strapped turbo to a stock highmileage block and made 600rw HP.

Ugh I see you are stuck in a box I'm done.

[simmode1]

Jesus is the 300zx bay a cluster fuck.
It's worth it. All that beautiful symmetry...
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/NismoTuner21/DSC_0270.jpg
http://www.canibeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/hellaflush_8_040.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_IbluAeDCTEY/S2vVCFfe-fI/AAAAAAAAAS4/YWWbESDbuYI/s1600/4332091392_078265e95d_o.jpg
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http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e162/twitch184/photo%20shoot/27706_1463533754446_1416567219_3124.jpg
Complaints about the Z32's weight and engine bay just seem like bandwagon cop-outs to me...

[jamg]

Z's have no ass at all.

[kevinarich]

This thread has just made me post my 240 on craigslist. My first car was a 300zx I loved it but was a dumb 17 year old. I traded it in for an Evo when they came out. I must get another now.

[Evan(CA)]

Now is as good a time as any for a little pic whoring.

http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/EvanSila/Freshly%20Washed%20And%20Waxed%20Z/DSCN0866.jpg

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[thedeadking]

I think the z32 should have came with the Rb series....

The VG is an excellent motor for those who know what they're doing. On top of this, parts are still being developed and manufactured; not to mention can still be purchased through several vendors and the dealership. Besides, the RB is best suited for the Skylines.

As much as i love my nissans, i find the 300zx to be the ugly red headed stepchild of the nissan racing lineage.

Please, before you make grossly incorrect statements in the future, you should do a little research.

In racing trim, the 300ZX achieved several notable victories, including wins in the 1986 Trans Am series and 1994 24 Hours of Daytona. However, auto sports politics and a GTS-1 class win at the 24 Hours of Le Mans that same year prompted the International Motor Sports Association to declare the twin turbo engine illegal for future competition. The 300ZX also holds the E/BMS land speed record of 419.84 km/h (260.87 mph) from the 1991 Bonneville Speed Trial.

http://www.stillen.com/images/heritage_photo14_L.jpg

Steve Millen Racing Heritage : STILLEN (http://blog.stillen.com/steve-millen-racing-heritage/)

I'd take an FD or MKIV over a 300zx any day. The MKIV is a beautiful platform to begin with, exquisite interior styling, way more aesthetically pleasing. Not to mention in BPU++ trim they make great power reliably.

The 300ZX (Z32) is constantly making lists for it performance, styling, and overall package. It's no wonder it outsold it competition and became the all-time best selling sports car.

GQ Rewinds: The Most Stylish Cars of the Past 50 Years: Cars: GQ (http://www.gq.com/cars-gear/cars/200912/stylish-cars-1990s#slide=1)


Jesus is the 300zx bay a cluster fuck.

Sure, for those who have never worked on cars before, it is. Also, when compared to simplistic truck motors like those found in the 240SX, it is quite difficult to work on. However, a factory service manual, readily available how-to's (twinturbo.net/3ZC.com) and the right tools make life much easier.

Z's have no ass at all.

Huh?

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6162/6163758566_4676919481_b.jpg

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae324/SilverTwinOH/WiperBGone.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/paintballpunk23/256124_202697906443646_176707555709348_543491_7627 169_o.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa24/preprodigy/DSC_0177.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa24/preprodigy/greyz32.jpg

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g461/maiku300/DSC_0025-1.jpg

http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy62/TwinZ_Design/PRODUCTS/REAR%20WINGS/TwinZDesign300ZXWing13.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e162/twitch184/photo%20shoot/IMG_0592.jpg

This thread has just made me post my 240 on craigslist. My first car was a 300zx I loved it but was a dumb 17 year old. I traded it in for an Evo when they came out. I must get another now.

Awesome, just be sure to find a clean chassis. When building the Z, you will run into a lot of trouble if your deciding factor is "what's cheapest?" Unfortunately, many in the 240SX scene prefer knock-off parts over the original/better quality if it can save them money for the dollar menu.

[kevinarich]

Thanks for the tips. I can't do body work so I always try to find untouched, unmodified cars with clean titles. You are right about the 240s and cheap parts. I think it's just cheap cars draw cheap people and in turn buy cheap parts. Every time I've bought a car with modifications I ended up replacing it or redoing it.

[thedeadking]

Thanks for the tips. I can't do body work so I always try to find untouched, unmodified cars with clean titles. You are right about the 240s and cheap parts. I think it's just cheap cars draw cheap people and in turn buy cheap parts. Every time I've bought a car with modifications I ended up replacing it or redoing it.

If you do end-up buying a Z32, here is a list of reputable vendors:

- Specialty Z (http://www.specialtyz.com/)
- Import Parts Pro (http://www.importpartspro.com/)
- Z1 (http://www.z1motorsports.com/)
- SPL (http://www.splparts.com/)
- PowerTrix (http://www.powertrix.com/)
- ASH-Spec (http://www.ashspecz.com/shop/)
- BDE (http://bde-performance.com/)
- AMZ (http://www.amzperformance.com/)

I HIGHLY recommend staying away from AMS (http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_articles/id/1094/chickenshit-chinamen.aspx) of Canada. They are the smaller scale version of Godspeed with their entire product line consisting of poorly replicated, Chinese made junk.

[kevinarich]

If you do end-up buying a Z32, here is a list of reputable vendors:

- Specialty Z (http://www.specialtyz.com/)
- Import Parts Pro (http://www.importpartspro.com/)
- Z1 (http://www.z1motorsports.com/)
- SPL (http://www.splparts.com/)
- PowerTrix (http://www.powertrix.com/)
- ASH-Spec (http://www.ashspecz.com/shop/)
- BDE (http://bde-performance.com/)
- AMZ (http://www.amzperformance.com/)

I HIGHLY recommend staying away from AMS (http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_articles/id/1094/chickenshit-chinamen.aspx) of Canada. They are the smaller scale version of Godspeed with their entire product line consisting of poorly replicated, Chinese made junk.

Thanks. I've been purchasing from Z1 and SPL for years, and for everything else I buy from Enjuku.

[fyneyoungstunna]

:yum:
Dat asses!

Dead is right about parts, don't cheap out, it will bite your ass in the end.
Also again said by Dead: the writ-ups make life soooooooooooooooooooo much easier! Plenty of knowledgeable guys on the Z forums to help out, and they will to as long as you don/t say "rims" hahahahahaha.

If you do buy a Z make sure you know its history and have it checked out before you buy. Ive been on downtime for three years now restoring mine, but its worth every penny to me!

[KiLLeR2001]

Well then. This thread is doing an effective job in making me want a Z32.

Obligatory...

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/228/dat.jpg

[jdmlivin]

Dat Ass.!!!!

[simmode1]

Evan(CA), loving your Z man. The brown interior is tits. But have you ever thought of painting that little Z-mustache thingie up front to colormatch the rest of the car? I think that, plus a lip kit would really make yours pop.

For example:
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e162/twitch184/photo%20shoot/4778610618_f3aa892755_b.jpg

[kalypso123]

Sure bro. A 300hp twin turbo car is only worth the price of a rusted Honda or a Dodge Neon. Cool story. Even more ironic is you then want to put a VQ in it - an engine that IS KNOWN TO BE INCAPABLE of making more then 450whp on a stock block :facepalm:


A VG's stock pistons start to go at 550whp. The biggest limiting factor in the stock car are the shitting ass turbos. To swap them out, you have to pull the engine. This, and the fact that they are more common, is why the Supra and RX7 are worth more.

Next your going start bitching about 930 prices because they are to old and slow...

Actually thats a good point about VQ's, I overestimated those... I agree with that.

Otherwise the zx is nice, but besides the nostalgic feel the platform is not the most rewarding.

[thedeadking]

Actually thats a good point about VQ's, I overestimated those... I agree with that.

Otherwise the zx is nice, but besides the nostalgic feel the platform is not the most rewarding.

Compared to what? What performance goals in mind?

Your back pedaling suggests that you don't know what you're talking about.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

The VG is an excellent motor for those who know what they're doing. On top of this, parts are still being developed and manufactured; not to mention can still be purchased through several vendors and the dealership. Besides, the RB is best suited for the Skylines.



Please, before you make grossly incorrect statements in the future, you should do a little research.



http://www.stillen.com/images/heritage_photo14_L.jpg

Steve Millen Racing Heritage : STILLEN (http://blog.stillen.com/steve-millen-racing-heritage/)



The 300ZX (Z32) is constantly making lists for it performance, styling, and overall package. It's no wonder it outsold it competition and became the all-time best selling sports car.

GQ Rewinds: The Most Stylish Cars of the Past 50 Years: Cars: GQ (http://www.gq.com/cars-gear/cars/200912/stylish-cars-1990s#slide=1)




Sure, for those who have never worked on cars before, it is. Also, when compared to simplistic truck motors like those found in the 240SX, it is quite difficult to work on. However, a factory service manual, readily available how-to's (twinturbo.net/3ZC.com) and the right tools make life much easier.



Huh?

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6162/6163758566_4676919481_b.jpg

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae324/SilverTwinOH/WiperBGone.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/paintballpunk23/256124_202697906443646_176707555709348_543491_7627 169_o.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa24/preprodigy/DSC_0177.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa24/preprodigy/greyz32.jpg

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g461/maiku300/DSC_0025-1.jpg

http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy62/TwinZ_Design/PRODUCTS/REAR%20WINGS/TwinZDesign300ZXWing13.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e162/twitch184/photo%20shoot/IMG_0592.jpg



Awesome, just be sure to find a clean chassis. When building the Z, you will run into a lot of trouble if your deciding factor is "what's cheapest?" Unfortunately, many in the 240SX scene prefer knock-off parts over the original/better quality if it can save them money for the dollar menu.

God damn shit fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The green one is the sexiest z i have ever seen in my life!!

Don't make me do it!

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

This is how the z should have came!

300ZX RB26 Engine (Not my car!) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBudnZrnjro)


Yes sir thank you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut6e0YCQnkQ

Peace out to that VQ B.S

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAjbGX7cBxA

Oh ya you have a V-8 and a super charger? Peace out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgMxSdAaMC8

What was that? your m3 cost 30k just the car? then another 20k on the turbo setup? LATERS! Oh your friend wants to play too? whats that?? his car cost 90k? plus another 40k in turbo setup? If your having girl problems I feel bad for you son i got 99 problems but a bitch aint 1!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf4YJd4kFn8

[Corbic]

This is how the z should have ...

I don't get it.

The VG30dett is a monster. It has more displacement and can due 500-600 whp without opening the block.

At that point everything needs to come out of the engine bay anyways. So who cars if its not "easy".

Money wise your stupid to junk a TT for a RB. Mind you, I can understand swapping a RB or JZ into a NA car, but then again an SR swap is hot too. Sits far back, sheds weight.

[Corbic]

Are 2 seaters super rare in JDM-Land?


What does every one here prefer? I've never liked the idea of a 2+2 Z.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

I don't get it.

The VG30dett is a monster. It has more displacement and can due 500-600 whp without opening the block.

At that point everything needs to come out of the engine bay anyways. So who cars if its not "easy".

Money wise your stupid to junk a TT for a RB. Mind you, I can understand swapping a RB or JZ into a NA car, but then again an SR swap is hot too. Sits far back, sheds weight.

the rb26 can do the same power and more without opening the block, At the end of your swap It's easier to work on if something happens. I get the money factor though you will spend a whole lot doing the swap

[Corbic]

the rb26 can do the same power and more without opening the block, At the end of your swap It's easier to work on if something happens. I get the money factor though you will spend a whole lot doing the swap

I have to disagree. I've never seen anything to indicate the stock rods/pistons of a RB26 are stronger. Additionally, as I stated, the extra displacement of the VG is going to offer more lower torque.

Regardless, the only reason to swap TT for a RB is Ricer Stupidity. I mean the big gripe about the TT is that you have to pull the engine to do a major overhaul... but since your swapping a RB... you already have to pul the engine. :doh:

Pull it, and use your RB money to build it, it will be a monster.

[ILoveJDM]

friends

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/405025_10150737918018771_284309270_n.jpg

[omgRWDgoodness!]

Yes sir thank you

Elliot breaks in the new 335 tires!!! - Burnout + Antilag - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut6e0YCQnkQ)Competitor is shitting bricks at 0:23.

Oh ya you have a V-8 and a super charger? Peace out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgMxSdAaMC8 (http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&key=44dc742c6ae854c912590be5122f2e42&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fzilvia.net%2Ff%2Fnewreply.php%3Fd o%3Dnewreply%26noquote%3D1%26p%3D5104344&v=1&libid=1358984068459&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DHgM xSdAaMC8&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fzilvia.net%2Ff%2Fchat%2F498926-z32-300zx-vs-other-cars-its-era-3.html&title=Zilvia.net%20Forums%20%7C%20Nissan%20240SX%2 0(Silvia)%20and%20Z%20(Fairlady)%20Car%20Forum%20-%20Reply%20to%20Topic&txt=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DHgM xSdAaMC8&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13589849645842)
Mustang? Please. Superchargers are for fucking pussies.

What was that? your m3 cost 30k just the car? then another 20k on the turbo setup? LATERS! Oh your friend wants to play too? whats that?? his car cost 90k? plus another 40k in turbo setup? If your having girl problems I feel bad for you son i got 99 problems but a bitch aint 1!

900hp 300ZX vs HPF E46 M3 vs EVOMS 700 Porsche 996 TT - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf4YJd4kFn8)
It's called Eurotrash for a reason.

Are 2 seaters super rare in JDM-Land?
What does every one here prefer? I've never liked the idea of a 2+2 Z.
They are not as common because the 2+2 was more popular in Japan. Unlike the US it was also factory available in 2+2 TT form, and which apparently was the most common configuration sold there. I personally prefer a 2-seater as well, though.


Still kinda pissed about how close I was to owning a '94 TT for cheap with nothing but a bad injector...but I guess a kouki is okay, too.

[thedeadking]

God damn shit fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The green one is the sexiest z i have ever seen in my life!!

Don't make me do it!

You mean, this Z?

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g461/maiku300/JF7A2125_zpse23caafc.jpg

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g461/maiku300/JF7A1962.jpg

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g461/maiku300/JF7A1973.jpg

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g461/maiku300/DSC_0063-1.jpg

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g461/maiku300/DSC_0078.jpg

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g461/maiku300/DSC_0143x.png

GIVE IN! DO IT!

[MrSanchez925]

To do a proper rb swap on a z32 you will spend close to 25k+.

I know a couple rb z32 guys and they all say that if they could do it over again , they would just build the vg.

What people dony understand is that the z32 is NOT swap friendly.

90% of the swap is all custom fab work.

[MrSanchez925]

I can't wait till I pick up another tt.

[simmode1]

Man, seeing the production numbers of all those JDM supercars really put the whole debate into perspective. The Z32 was FAR more successful from a sales standpoint than its competing Supra, RX7 and NSX rivals. That also means its more common and therefore carries less prestige, but that speaks nothing of any kind of performance shortfalls.

I guess like any damn car, if you're determined, you're not gonna let the looks of the engine bay deter you from realizing your dream. But ppl being scared of the busy engine bay, combined with the commonality of the chassis explain why the car isn't more highly sought after for any perceived rareness. And that is what has turned this car into the performance bargain we see today. Never really looked at it like that before...

Some of us spend some much money modifying S-Chassis to exceed the Z33's performance, but damn... How much would it cost to exceed the 300zx's out of the box production specs? Seriously, what other cars can you guys think of that match the Z32TT's bang for your buck performance and potential at the same price point of under $10k?

[undercoverdjay]

Even dirty, my girl's got ass ;)

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/303867_10151091988337946_547144453_n.jpg

[Killercd4G63]

I've been seeing a lot of 300ZX cars for really cheap and in great shape lately, most recently on BAT. Ranging from 8k to about 14k for a good to great condition twin turbo model. What i'm wondering is why? To me this is the normal price that a car of this kind from the 1990s should be. Perfectly reasonable. However I am asking myself why? Why is it so cheap?

Supras of the same condition i've seen for 10s of thousands more up to in the 30s. The same for a Rx7. However like the 300ZX a Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 will be cheap as well. However there is a major difference between a 3000GT and a 300zx.... the 3000GT is shit. Literal shit. As in it definately is worth thouosands less. Terrible AWD system, terrible motor, poor overall quality, stuff breaks all the time. They are literally bad cars. However what matches that? The rx7? The RX7 has poor reliability as well. However it has great handling, weighs under 3000lbs, and is all around awesome. The Supra? Is it worth more? It's faster if you build it, which most people wont. It has rather poor handling much like the 3000GT but for different reasons. However it looks great and was in the Fast and the Furious movie so you have to pay the seller a Fast and the Furious tax to own one. Is it $20k better than a 300zx? No it is not. Is it $10k better than a 300zx? No it is not. So why is it $20k priced higher than a 300zx?

The 300ZX has aged appearance wise just as well as a supra. Handles better than a supra. Has similar performance potential. Similar reliability. However it wasn't the feature car in a bad movie. It was on Kill Bill but a woman owned it and she had an arm amputated. Not much about boy racers there. The RX7 you can't build easily to insane power like the supra much like the 300zx, of course like I said most people (probably a good 90%) wont be doing that anyways.

I'm just wondering if i'm missing something. Why is a 300zx as cheap as it is? Why does it seem nobody seems to care about them? Seems rather arbitrary to me. It is simply on equal footing or better than any car from the 1990s japanese cheap supercar wars. Why does a Supra and RX7 warrant a NSX price tag?

I would say the price is because of the availability of this car.
The Build quality is also a factor, The exterior for the time of japanese cars then was just astounding to everyone. The Z32 looks great along with it's competitors. The factors of the Nsx having such a high price tag i'd say to guess it's because of it's looks and name on the engine even though it is a transverse engine and as most all transverse engine they are a few steps ahead in complexity as far as maintenance goes. :ugh: (N. VQ, M. 6G72, H. C30) Working on an Inline 6Cyl is far more simple than any of the above (T. 2JZ) but the RX7 is a whole different ball game for an everyday mechanic. I have not owned a Z32, NSX or Rx7 but I have a VR4 and have owned a MK4 Supra and between the two i would take anyday with the 2JZ. Just changing the spark plugs is a Hassle on the 6G72 :picardfp:

As far as looks go, All are great looking cars but each has it's own minor flaws in my eyes.

[simmode1]

For me, the two biggest flaws in the Z32 exterior are the pointless nose panel up front and the seam where the hatch lifts from the body along the side of the car. These two things disrupt the beautiful flow of the Z32 with needless lines and they annoy the hell out of me. If the Z32's hatch obscured its creases and opened like the S13's, I'd love it that much more. Not alot you can do about that nose panel though. But I think the King Z panel is a good start. At least it gives this space a purpose now.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c48/lonloud/Zlake012-2.jpg

[jimefam]

I disagree.

Supra is a Supra. Hell look at the SC prices, their not exactly cheap and they look no where near as good, nor do they have a 6spd getreg and twin turbos.

The car is the last of the Japanese Super Cars. Its performance is unquestionable, its potential limitless. With or Without FNF it would be what it is. Just look at the prices in Japan. Their not cheap there either.

Are you on crack?? A GTR will shit all over a supra.

[kalypso123]

Compared to what? What performance goals in mind?

Your back pedaling suggests that you don't know what you're talking about.

*Argument lost.

[kalypso123]

Are you on crack?? A GTR will shit all over a supra.

and also the lexus LF-A is going to be hot machine all throughout this decade.

[Corbic]

and also the lexus LF-A is going to be hot machine all throughout this decade.

At 450k who gives a fuck.

[Corbic]

Are you on crack?? A GTR will shit all over a supra.

The R35? So what. It's 90k and used ones are 60. I really hope nissan would be able to shit on a car made 20 years ago for half the cost.

As for JSS, that was the term givin to the 6 cars back then (VR4, Supra, FD, NSX, SW20 and Z32). The Supra was the last to go and the "best bang for buck" when new.

[Corbic]

I'm not back peddling im just talking out my ass
furthermore good suspension, a decent engine swap, and right away one can choose from lighter, tighter handling, less expensive, and more torque responsive

It's clear from your comments you have never driven a 300ZX and have no idea what the fuck your talking about.

All you are doing is regurgitating Ricer match/logic/mythos.

[MrSanchez925]

It's clear from your comments you have never driven a 300ZX and have no idea what the fuck your talking about.

All you are doing is regurgitating Ricer match/logic/mythos.

+1 msglngth

[MrSanchez925]

A tt z32 with bolt ons, injectors and a good tune is cheaper more reliable and faster then a basic s chassis motor swap.
Hell my tt z32 with full exhaust and on a shiity mail order tune put down 315whp and 327ftlbs at 3.5krpm
And serious you think an s chassis that's not a v8 will have better tq response?

[HyperTek]

Z32 was one of my dream cars when I was a kid, seriously it was THE CAR .
tx-WyIPeuHM

IMO All Zs are cool though, You gotta appreciate it for what it was during it's time. Of course now a days it might not be the most popular or have the biggest aftermarket.
http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/z31_d0qN_0.jpg
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/384449_10151122921033557_1820685487_n.jpg

[Chronox2]

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii250/CronoX4/DSC02751.jpg

My z when the previous owner had it on gt-7 on 18s. I did my twin turbo swap on this Slicktop, much lighter then the other Zs because it was the base model, weights 300lb less then the others with T-tops and convertible. The Vg30dett came with 300hp from factory! And the turbos are not gt25, they are actually Tb02/22 good for 220hp each. Smaller turbos then any Sr20 or Rb and still from factory can beat the crap out of many sr20 with GT2560s.

Now this is a Silvia oriented forum, so how much would I get if I buy two s15 GT2560r ? Or the S14 bb one? Not to mention, the VG30dett was the first engine to divide everything in 2, making the power more efficiently, 2 exhaust, 2 intercoolers, and now thanks to technology we have dual MAF for each bank of the engine. One side pushing 1.5L with their own intake, own turbo, own intercooler, and exhaust. You just need to spend 1500 or less and you would be there in the 400hp or pretty close, like Evan pushing 402hp on stock engine.
2.5 intercooler pipes
Dual intake
Full 3 inc exhaust
2.5 SMIC
A ECU and you are good to go and kick ass to 65% of the cars out in the street.

[simmode1]

so how much would I get if I buy two s15 GT2560r ?
I posted a vid on a previous page of a stock internal Z32TT making 540wph with S15 GT2560R's....

But guys, lets not forget about the even cheaper and much lighter Z31's potential. Yes, there's not as much off the shelf shit available, but its far from being an untested platform...
F93jn2PqeJA
^^^Thats way more than enough power and torque to get you sideways and get in a lot of trouble. All in a nearly bone stock package costing less then $3k. Just found a running turbo 50th anniversary edition local to me for $1500. Swap on a kouki hood + front bumper and you're in business.

[kalypso123]

At 450k who gives a fuck.

what! ... :faint:

It's clear from your comments you have never driven a 300ZX and have no idea what the fuck your talking about.

All you are doing is regurgitating Ricer match/logic/mythos.

This is true, I never drove a Z. #threadIsAllYours

[HyperTek]

There will always be people who where not fans of a car, and will just never respect it's accomplishments or take the time to actually check it out.

I almost bought a vert a few years back, it had a bomex kit and some wheels (I forgot), but it had a salvage title, and I really didn't care about it being heavy or NA blah blah.

Its not a car to impress the young generation that is all caught up in drift cars at the moment, but actual car people who enjoy all cars will respect it.

[Evan(CA)]

1990: The 1990 300-ZX Turbo is named Motor Trend's "Import Car of the Year". Motor Trend also names it, "One of the Top Ten Performance Cars". Automobile Magazine honours the 300-ZX/300ZX Turbo as its "Design of the Year", and names the 300ZX Turbo to its "All Stars" list. Road & Track names the 300ZX Turbo "One of the Ten Best Cars in the World". Car and Driver names the 300ZX Turbo "One of the 10 Best Cars".

1991: The 300ZX Turbo is named to Car and Driver 's "10 Best" list, and is once again one of Automobile Magazine's "All-Stars".

1992: For the third straight year, Car and Driver names the 300ZX Turbo one of its "10 Best", and Automobile Magazine names it to its "All-Stars" list.

1993: For the fourth straight year, the 300ZX Turbo is named a Car and Driver "10 Best", and one of Automobile Magazine's "All-Stars".

1994: For the fifth straight year, the 300ZX Turbo is named to the "10 Best" and "All Stars" lists by Car and Driver and Automobile Magazine, respectively.

1995: For the sixth straight year the 300ZX Turbo is named to the "10 Best" list by Car and Driver.

1996: For the seventh straight year the 300ZX Turbo is named to the "10 Best" list by Car and Driver, this is also the final year of production in the US.

Even after production stopped magazines have continued to rave and award the 300ZX years later.

2004: Automobile lists the Z32 as one of the 100 greatest cars of all time.

2006: Automobile lists the Z32 on both the "20 Greatest Cars of the Past 20 years" and the "25 Most Beautiful Cars in History".

"once again beautiful, so sleek and tight and shimmering that it still looks great ten years after it went away" -Automobile, 2006

2010: GQ Magazine lists the Z32 as one of the most stylish cars over the past 50 years.

From the year it was introduced, the Z32 has also won many comparison tests against similar sports cars such as the Mitsubishi 3000GT/Dodge Stealth, Mazda RX-7, Chevrolet Corvette, Toyota Supra, Dodge Viper, and the Porsche 968.

[MADE]

Smaller turbos then any Sr20 or Rb and still from factory can beat the crap out of many sr20 with GT2560s.


You'd would think so but the Z/G I raced on the track 99% didn't stand a chance minus the one guy running Stillen upgraded turbines. (Granted mostly 1/8mi) After riding with two different ppl with "slighty" modified Z32 I was very disappointed. I aggree it can be done but it all depends on whats done. Simple upgrades, I.e boost up, Intake Exhaust, light tuning. I see the SR/RB's responding more. Hell even my VQ power Maxima will pull on a Z32. I like the Z32 styling just havent seen one in person to perform well with stock turbines.

[Chronox2]

Ask Evan(CA)

And remember the tb22 are turbos from back in the 70s.

Another thing, the Z32 was one of the original monsters in the midnight club...

[thedeadking]

At 450k who gives a fuck.

The R35? So what. It's 90k and used ones are 60. I really hope nissan would be able to shit on a car made 20 years ago for half the cost.

As for JSS, that was the term givin to the 6 cars back then (VR4, Supra, FD, NSX, SW20 and Z32). The Supra was the last to go and the "best bang for buck" when new.

It's clear from your comments you have never driven a 300ZX and have no idea what the fuck your talking about.

All you are doing is regurgitating Ricer match/logic/mythos.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Facebook_like_thumb.png/897px-Facebook_like_thumb.png

[coupesallday!]

I wouldn't mind getting one if the engine bay came factory like this
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr61/chrisghaz/f3c85839829f34b5868a5a8d535e5fb8.jpg

[simmode1]

^^^Here's the problem with that pic: It's N/A. I always thought that decluttering that engine bay, shaving and tucking the wiring would change ppl's minds about the Z32. But the reality is that its alot harder to delete alot of the necessary components of the TT to approach that level of cleanness . You just gotta man up and deal with most of that shit. But relocating the battery, power steering reservoir and fuse boxes would be high on my list of priorities though. I wonder would it be worth it to eliminate Super Hicas on the Z32 as well...?

I mean, I guess you could shave and tuck an N/A then do a rear mounted turbo setup... but shit. What a hassle.

[MrSanchez925]

Lol 90% of people delete the hicas on z32s..

[ILoveJDM]

300z would look so DOPE with 326 wing..

[Corbic]

Lol 90% of people delete the hicas on z32s..

90% of people delete their rear steering on everything. (FC, S13, Z32, 3000GT). The ones that don't.... don't know they have it.

[Kingbaby]

that ricer logic is a doosey!

[KiLLeR2001]

The only ugly Z32 I know of is the convertible model.

[silviaks2nr]

The only ugly Z32 I know of is the convertible model.

That's the only one I'd consider owning

http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/5913149819_a874aba88a_o.jpg

[MADE]

90% of people delete their rear steering on everything. (FC, S13, Z32, 3000GT). The ones that don't.... don't know they have it.


Why delete it?

Unless you're drifting I don't see the point nor does anyone I have ever asked in person had a valid reason other than. Granted all have been in Japan on car with a working system.

A. I can crash at high speeds
B. Most have no idea really just everyone else does it.

[Corbic]

Why delete it?

Unless you're drifting I don't see the point nor does anyone I have ever asked in person had a valid reason other than. Granted all have been in Japan on car with a working system.

A. I can crash at high speeds
B. Most have no idea really just everyone else does it.

Because it sucks. If the system was that great it would have made it into future generations of sports cars. In the case of the Mazda it is actually a safety concern. The bushings wear out and before you know it the rear starts to wander at highway speeds. I believe the Prelude is also similar and leads to excessive rear tire wear.

I have never owned a Nissan with HICAS, however I would suspect it may even impact the cars ability to hook up. Over all, the system doesn't offer any really benefit that I can see. It's complicated, adds weight and one more failure point.

I did notice a huge improvement in my RX-7 when I ditched Rear Steering system.

[jimefam]

The R35? So what. It's 90k and used ones are 60. I really hope nissan would be able to shit on a car made 20 years ago for half the cost.

As for JSS, that was the term givin to the 6 cars back then (VR4, Supra, FD, NSX, SW20 and Z32). The Supra was the last to go and the "best bang for buck" when new.

The R35 was in the 70k range when it came out in 2007 which is basically the same as the 50k a TT supra was when it came out. And performance wise the gtr is WAY ahead of what the supra was for its time. Comparatively speaking the R35 is a lot further ahead of its competition than a supra was against its. Look at the cars that the R35 can really compete with in stock trim(911, vette, viper etc) while being priced below all of those, a stock supra was nothing special just had alot of potential. Never mind that the R35 is better than an LFA at what 1/4 the cost? Not to mention I was saying an R34 GTR which was iirc the "last to go" and was a better performer in stock form. Bottom line the Supra was NOT the last japanese supercar despite what you may have seen on fnf.

[Corbic]

The R35 was in the 70k range when it came out in 2007 which is basically the same as the 50k a TT supra was when it came out. And performance wise the gtr is WAY ahead of what the supra was for its time. Comparatively speaking the R35 is a lot further ahead of its competition than a supra was against its. Look at the cars that the R35 can really compete with in stock trim(911, vette, viper etc) while being priced below all of those, a stock supra was nothing special just had alot of potential. Never mind that the R35 is better than an LFA at what 1/4 the cost? Not to mention I was saying an R34 GTR which was iirc the "last to go" and was a better performer in stock form. Bottom line the Supra was NOT the last japanese supercar despite what you may have seen on fnf.

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Not even worth the effort. Kids these days.

[Evan(CA)]

This thread has just made me post my 240 on craigslist. My first car was a 300zx I loved it but was a dumb 17 year old. I traded it in for an Evo when they came out. I must get another now.

Anything come of this?

[TTnickdizzle]

Z32 powa!

http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo202/campbeln2007/drift4_6_.jpg