240sx vs G20

[stateofstatic]

Have a 92 G20 with a sr20det...about 250whp, z32 front brakes, tien springs with AGX struts and STB. How would this compare with an S13? I know my car's lighter, but what about cornering and braking?
http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff431/Chase_Elliott/Connie-Cappuccio-23a-1.jpg

[nate1]

Your car is heavier, also were talking about a modified car so it all depends on mods. If they have the same parts then the 240 would out run u in every category. Yours is a 4 door car designed to get people from a to b. a 240 on the other hand was nissans 2nd best sports car at the time

[Highway Riding]

RWD FTW - FWD not so much! F torque steer

[EDacIouSX]

you gotta be kidding me, you can't be serious....

[DJZ]

what ever car doesnt have overspray all over the intercooler is better..

[stateofstatic]

S13 is 2698lbs vs. 92 G20 2535lbs...lateral g for s13 .98, G20 .94

[DJZ]

S13 is 2698lbs vs. 92 G20 2535lbs...lateral g for s13 .98, G20 .94

Both cars are slow. at least on can get sideways, and on zilvia thats are favorite direction :hey:

[stateofstatic]

lets not forget this:
http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff431/Chase_Elliott/Connie-Cappuccio-56-1.jpg

[stateofstatic]

yeah you guys can drift, that is a useful attribute in a performance car :)

[nate1]

2,535 to 2,818 lb for your car, sorry man its just a grocery getter nissan never had a race program for your car so it is what it is. a stock ka would beat your car stock. they are just to way different cars

[stateofstatic]

What about the Nissan Calsonic P10?

[nate1]

never seen that before was that a factory backed effort?

[stateofstatic]

1991 Infiniti G20 0-60 mph 8.5
1990 Nissan 240SX SE 0-60 mph 8.7

[nate1]

those #s are not set in stone most of that has to do with track prep, temp, and elevation. also shifting at 6 vs 7 in the 240 will net much faster times

[DJZ]

:picardfp::picardfp::picardfp:1991 Infiniti G20 0-60 mph 8.5
1990 Nissan 240SX SE 0-60 mph 8.7:picardfp::picardfp:

Dude both cars are hella slow

[stateofstatic]

Here's the Calsonic:
http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff431/Chase_Elliott/Connie-Cappuccio-57-1.jpg

[nate1]

:picardfp::picardfp::picardfp::picardfp::picardfp:

Dude both cars are hella slow


very true....

[stateofstatic]

So with an sr20det in each, the S13 would power out of corners and launch better, but what about drivetrain loss...about 20% right?

[DJZ]

Here's the Calsonic:
http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff431/Chase_Elliott/Connie-Cappuccio-57-1.jpg

and? so what?

[nate1]

ff & fr both lose about 15% every car is a little different, but around there. 4wd on the other hand is about 25%

[drscooper]

wow this is really stupid..... lol

[Bmxer300zx]

your here looking for brownie points huh?
I fail to see how your 4 door is lighter than a 240 coupe.
Nice intercooler, stevie wonder paint it?
I hope your sr20det swap is better than a so called 8.5 0-60 thats slow as shit my na z32 was 6.8
also fwd leaves no fun my buddies srt4 makes 400hp and wot in anything 3rd gear down feels like its trying to pull itself off the road.

[Hoffman5982]

OP- Fuck you. What the fuck is the point of creating this thread when it's clear that in your mind your pos fwd econobox is better all around? This is a waste of time and you're a fucking attention whore. Fuck your car and your couch

[fatduece]

Lol. No forum is capable of flaming like zilvia. This sh8ts funny as hell.

[hobbs]

Well done OP, you've rustled some jimmies. Anyways P11 > P10

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-k6im3Bhbyn0/TpQQaoCcf9I/AAAAAAAABLI/08HhXCR5zTA/s1600/6232298053_2e21efb917_b.jpg

[StryfeS13]

1991 Infiniti G20 0-60 mph 8.5
1990 Nissan 240SX SE 0-60 mph 8.7

I thought we were talking about SR's here..? A 1990 Nissan 240SX has a terrible SOHC engine. A stock KA24DE on the other hand is actually a pretty good motor stock, and it's 0-60 time is almost a second faster than what you posted.

SR to SR, a 240sx with your same power output (250whp) would smoke you, in a straight line, in cornering, and in braking - given that it has Z32 brakes as well.

Oh, and I know for a fact that my S13 does not weigh 2698 lbs...

[dorkidori_s13]

Well done OP, you've rustled some jimmies. Anyways P11 > P10

actually, i dont mean to rain on your parade, but the the rear suspension in the P10 was vastly superior to the P11. P11 was a straight axle setup.

and to the OP, you can ask people their opinions all you want about the 240. theyre just opinions, go buy one and build it, then see what you think. honestly, hands down, i think the s chassis is a better overall car in terms of performance due to how little custom fabbing you need to do to it over the P10. availability of parts for the S chassis is huge compared to the G20. you can argue with me all you want, but i was honestly considering selling my s13 and go a little more mature with a P11, but once i started looking around for parts, that project idea went in the garbage. i spent about 2 hours just looking for adjustable control arms and a bolt on catback. i found some off brand custom joints, but go type in "240sx exhaust" or "240sx adjustable arms" on google and within seconds youll have HUNDREDS of results.

nissan built the s chassis as a sports car, they built the Primera as a grocery getter. sell your G20, buy an S13, dump about 12 grand into it and enjoy life with 300whp that can fuk off a viper.

[Matej]

SR to SR, a 240sx with your same power output (250whp) would smoke you, in a straight line, in cornering, and in braking - given that it has Z32 brakes as well.
But what about the lateral G's?

[Mcpot132]

Shit got ugly TOO quick haha

[stateofstatic]

actually, i dont mean to rain on your parade, but the the rear suspension in the P10 was vastly superior to the P11. P11 was a straight axle setup.

and to the OP, you can ask people their opinions all you want about the 240. theyre just opinions, go buy one and build it, then see what you think. honestly, hands down, i think the s chassis is a better overall car in terms of performance due to how little custom fabbing you need to do to it over the P10. availability of parts for the S chassis is huge compared to the G20. you can argue with me all you want, but i was honestly considering selling my s13 and go a little more mature with a P11, but once i started looking around for parts, that project idea went in the garbage. i spent about 2 hours just looking for adjustable control arms and a bolt on catback. i found some off brand custom joints, but go type in "240sx exhaust" or "240sx adjustable arms" on google and within seconds youll have HUNDREDS of results.

nissan built the s chassis as a sports car, they built the Primera as a grocery getter. sell your G20, buy an S13, dump about 12 grand into it and enjoy life with 300whp that can fuk off a viper.

Thanks dorkidori_s13 for a well thought out set of reasoning as to the superior performance aspects and cost/upgrade benefits of an S13!

When I picked this thing up, I was thinking of something sr20det powered with potential but without crazy insurance rates...what does an S13's rates look like?

[fatduece]

Insurance rates very depend on your area, driving record and your insurance provider. I pay $125 a month for full coverage on a 94 rx7 FD. The same provider makes me pay $100 for my 96 s14 and thats only liability. Thats with a clean driving record and my parents are on the policy as well. Always have your parents on the policy, it just makes it soo much cheaper, unless they have a terrible driving record.

[DJZ]

hmm after thinking about it a g20 would make a nice daily since its a 4 door

[fatduece]

^ Waste of money. Just buy a first or second gen lexus gs. Its rwd and you have the option of doing a jdm 1/2jz swap.

[BoostSlideWayz]

Honestly, I don't even see any FWD car worth putting money into besides maintaining it. Other than that, i don't believe in it.

I literally have three friends right now after owning a Honda for little over a year wanting to go RWD.. Its not only more fun.. but they are that much easier to work on... and screw changing clutches or even belts in an FF set up. just more head ache for no good reason.. putting money in to such a frustratrating style of car is pointless in my opinion.

[fatduece]

Yea, nothings more retarded then torq steer.

[2.5T_/<ouki]

you gotta be kidding me, you can't be serious....

Exactly what i was thinking

[dorkidori_s13]

Thanks dorkidori_s13 for a well thought out set of reasoning as to the superior performance aspects and cost/upgrade benefits of an S13!

When I picked this thing up, I was thinking of something sr20det powered with potential but without crazy insurance rates...what does an S13's rates look like?

depends on where you live and how old you are man. i pay like 50 bux a month for liability coverage (good luck getting full coverage, most companies wont do it on cars this old). but im 30 and live in vegas. some people pay less, some people A LOT more.

just sell your G20 and buy one in good shape, youll love ever second of it!

[stateofstatic]

Wrestling the wheel is kinda fun to me...like containing a wild animal. The other thing is that its surprisingly doing 32-35mpg 70/30 hwy/city, paying 60/mo liability (Im 31).

Problems Im now blatantly aware of is when something breaks, it WILL cost you...despite the drivetrain matching tons of other nissans to pull from, there are odds and ends everywhere that are $$$, and the lack of care from the previous owner in regards to suspension (UCAs, bushings everywhere), and not tuned (safc was set 10:1 once I was able to see with wideband). I had to spend almost $300 to get out some sheared bolts from the block where the axle carrier bracket was attached by one bolt. Long term investment is more than I hoped for, plus I was aiming for a sleeper to begin with...the bright red kind of negates that. :duh:

[stateofstatic]

^ Waste of money. Just buy a first or second gen lexus gs. Its rwd and you have the option of doing a jdm 1/2jz swap.

that actually was my first thought, there was a 1st gen gs 100mi with a 2jzgte single T70 that was out of my price range only a month earlier, so this was my second option.

[Yellow4g63]

OP the S13 is just better for sports. The p10 will be a better daily driver, sell the turbo kit and put it back to N/A and go buy a S13. Then your universe opens up big time. Lots of engines to chose from vs just 2 (SR or VQ in the P10). The aftermarket is just way more behind the S13 vs the P10/P11/B13/B14/B15 ect. Once you go rwd boosted you won't want to go back to fwd boost and crappy transmissions that blow apart.

[GhostlyCoupe]

Reaching the limits of either car is probably well beyond your abilities as a driver so...

Pick either one, doesn't make a difference.

[codyace]

I'm sure I'm correct in my assumption that I'm the only one who has tracked/driven both stock and modded variants of each.

With that said, it depends on the track. I think on some courses the P10 chassis (p11 looks cooler but sucks) would be better, and on others the s13 would be better.

'small' mod per small mod being the same too. Now when you start putting more power to either setup (lets say a turbo setup) I'd say I'd nod to the RWD platform.

Either car is a great little performer. I'd love a nice G20 (p10) for a new daily.

[JFoxx]

http://bdtgfx.com/bmz_cache/c/c6447f1168fbdc1c7b876c2e0a958c72.image.241x250.gif

that is all.....

[drifterjoey]

:loco::loco::loco:

The real question here “Who is going to help wake this guy up?” Someone near him needs to take this guy for a ride in an S-Chassis with 300hp. Maybe then he will understand that his grandma grocery getter is not a performance car!


:picardfp::picardfp::picardfp:

[dorkidori_s13]

Wrestling the wheel is kinda fun to me...like containing a wild animal. The other thing is that its surprisingly doing 32-35mpg 70/30 hwy/city, paying 60/mo liability (Im 31).

Problems Im now blatantly aware of is when something breaks, it WILL cost you...despite the drivetrain matching tons of other nissans to pull from, there are odds and ends everywhere that are $$$, and the lack of care from the previous owner in regards to suspension (UCAs, bushings everywhere), and not tuned (safc was set 10:1 once I was able to see with wideband). I had to spend almost $300 to get out some sheared bolts from the block where the axle carrier bracket was attached by one bolt. Long term investment is more than I hoped for, plus I was aiming for a sleeper to begin with...the bright red kind of negates that. :duh:

if you find one with a good compression SR swap, itll last forever (if youre not beating the christ out of it, and if you are, buy a powerFC DJetro and have it tuned by a reputable shop) my first SR i had for 8 years. made 268rwp on a mustang dyno with nothing more than a power FC DJ, T28 from an S14, 16psi, E85 and an Aeromotive FPR (oh, and a greddy intake manifold). point being is that i had that motor for a LONG time, beat the crap out of it, BUT, i had it tuned properly. compression was still 138-138-140-138 when i sold it.

youre really over analyzing this situation. get rid of the G, stop worrying about insurance costs or fixing someone elses shitty handy work (because YOU WILL). buy the car, learn what its like to own a 240, and just enjoy the piss out of it like we all do. ive been building s13s for 10 years now, and not ONCE do i EVER regret buying ANY of the cars i have. im on #5 now and its my restoration project (and my daily driver). its taken a lot to get it as clean as i have over the last 2 years of owning it, but ive still gota ways to go until its "done" (whatever the fuk that is lol)

buck up, buy a damn 240 and forget you ever owned a G20

[e1_griego]

There are quite a few people with a lot of 240 know-how in the Portland area. If you get one, come hang out and we'll show you the ropes.

[racepar1]

The G20 is better as a daily, the 240 is better at EVERYTHING else...

[dorkidori_s13]

The G20 is better as a daily, the 240 is better at EVERYTHING else...

says who? lol

[Matej]

Why is everybody against the 240SX as a daily transport?
I certainly enjoyed driving mine every day more than any other car I have had to resort to commuting in since. :)

[racepar1]

says who? lol

240's tend to leak water, the exhaust burns your heels, the back seat is a joke, the fastbacks are a little "tinny" once you put an exhaust on them, the G20 has 4 doors, the G20 gets less attention from the po-po's...


SAYS ME!!!!

:mepoke:

[racepar1]

Why is everybody against the 240SX as a daily transport?
I certainly enjoyed driving mine every day. :)

I drive a 98' M3 every day now, it's a DRASTIC improvement!

[stateofstatic]

Well I can say I can keep a fellow with an sti at bay in the twisties on some backroads nearby...don't think it would be anywhere close on lap times but there's never a point where he's braking from creeping up on me. Could be a bad driver, but I was surprised by it.

[dorkidori_s13]

240's tend to leak water, the exhaust burns your heels, the back seat is a joke, the fastbacks are a little "tinny" once you put an exhaust on them, the G20 has 4 doors, the G20 gets less attention from the po-po's...


SAYS ME!!!!

:mepoke:

lol...all i hear is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ;)

i daily my 240 and i still love it like it was the first time i drove one heh. but i have full interior and uber comfy s14 kouki seats in mine. and my exhaust is jasma rated (its a trust PE2) so its got a low bass to it instead of a honda bumble bee thing goin on. full coilovers/adjustable control arms as well...BUT, i LIKE my cars like that, quiet and soft is just weird in my world.

[codyace]

240's tend to leak water, the exhaust burns your heels, the back seat is a joke, the fastbacks are a little "tinny" once you put an exhaust on them, the G20 has 4 doors, the G20 gets less attention from the po-po's...


SAYS ME!!!!

:mepoke:

hahahah you jerk :ddog: :D

[codyace]

Why is everybody against the 240SX as a daily transport?
I certainly enjoyed driving mine every day more than any other car I have had to resort to commuting in since. :)

When you're comparing it to Tercel, Escort, and a Millenia, I'd agree :D

[codyace]

There are quite a few people with a lot of 240 know-how in the Portland area. If you get one, come hang out and we'll show you the ropes.

WWF ropes maybe? :D

[stateofstatic]

A/C...ah that would be nice.

[OutToWinPAHC]

Don't get it comparing two opposite types of vehicles.

[dorkidori_s13]

A/C...ah that would be nice.

LMFAO!!! :bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

[Matej]

I drive a 98' M3 every day now, it's a DRASTIC improvement!
When you're comparing it to Tercel, Escort, and a Millenia, I'd agree :D
Actually had to drive a BMW for a few weeks. It was way too quiet and comfortable.

That may sound like a good thing to most, but I have never had to load up on caffeine or slap myself out of sleep on the highway as much as when driving that car. I would arrive home from class looking as if I got bullied. :)

[goldenguns564]

insurance for me isn't that much i have two tickets with my 240sx with full coverage in socal and progressive i only pay 120

[stateofstatic]

Actually had to drive a BMW for a few weeks. It was way too quiet and comfortable.

That may sound like a good thing to most, but I have never had to load up on caffeine or slap myself out of sleep on the highway as much as when driving that car. I would arrive home from class looking as if I got bullied. :)

lol I used to have a 89 Thunderbird SC I spent a lot of money on (378whp, 450ftlbs, 5mt) that used to do that to me on long trips...at the time I was doing car audio sq events and I made the cabin so quiet and the shocks were so floaty it lulled you to sleep fast.

[240drifter1]

This thread has to be a joke.

And all these ricers hating on fwd cars makes me lol.

[racepar1]

Actually had to drive a BMW for a few weeks. It was way too quiet and comfortable.

That may sound like a good thing to most, but I have never had to load up on caffeine or slap myself out of sleep on the highway as much as when driving that car. I would arrive home from class looking as if I got bullied. :)

You're weird dude...

I had to drive my buddy's 240 for a week while I was replacing the head on my M3. I wanted to shoot myself on the freeway...

[racepar1]

This thread has to be a joke.

And all these ricers hating on fwd cars makes me lol.

It's not actually called FWD. It's called WWD (wrong wheel drive).

It's a 240sx and Z forum dude, do you REALLY think we like FWD cars? I'm a TOTAL ricer too, my shit has underglow...

[stateofstatic]

This thread has to be a joke.

And all these ricers hating on fwd cars makes me lol.

lol if anything says "Fast and Furious" it would be a 240 :)

I guess the point of the thread was to determine if I challenged a S13 on the road (they are EVERYWHERE) would my little frankenstein be able to hold its own...responses have been anywhere from "no freakin way" to "possibly in certain situations"

Just got a kill on a late-model (2010 maybe?) S4 on the highway last night starting from 50. :)

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

Honestly you'll beat more than half of the sr swapped 240's, people swap in a Sr throw on a huge front mount and an exhaust and think they are god. Also nobody can just say oh the 240 will wax you, I know few honda people who will womp on anyone who said fwd can't beat rwd on the track or drag racing. It's all about knowing how to drive the car first of all, Look at eric castro! Single cam hatch N/A He use to slide that car better than 90% of the people at the events that had Sr/rb/ka turbo etc etc.

My 92 sentra Se-r with header,Sick ass Intake,Exhaust,Plugs/wires,msd ignition coil, beat my friends sr 240 and a couple other sr 240's. of course ones that had huge front mounts and exhaust. Once I out my 75 dry shot nitrous on It was awesome haha. Drive the hell out of that g20 man!!!!

9 times out of 10 it's... driver skill 90% car 10%

[racepar1]

lol if anything says "Fast and Furious" it would be a 240 :)

I guess the point of the thread was to determine if I challenged a S13 on the road (they are EVERYWHERE) would my little frankenstein be able to hold its own...responses have been anywhere from "no freakin way" to "possibly in certain situations"

Just got a kill on a late-model (2010 maybe?) S4 on the highway last night starting from 50. :)

Nobody can answer that question. It totally depends on the individual car and driver. I know that I can drive a well set-up 240 on a racetrack faster than I could drive a well set-up G20. But I also know that I could wax everyone that ever tried to fuck with me's little asses on my favorite canyon road in my old E30 BMW, and everything else I've ever driven. It had nothing to do with my little E30 being faster, because it was slow as fuck. It had EVERYTHING to do with the fact that I've been driving that road for more than 10 years in a shitload of different cars and I know every single corner by heart. When it comes to canyon/street racing it's all about the DRIVER, not the CAR.

Also street racing is fucking stupid dude, stop bragging about it. Take it from the guy who'se wrecked 4 different cars 5 different times on mountain roads. All it takes is the tiniest mistake and you've got a bush stopping you from falling down a cliff. That's not to say that I never drive any canyons, or I never fuck with anyone that pisses me off on the highway. I AM saying that I refuse to go out "looking" for a "race". Be aware of the risks that you're taking and have respect for the consequences. Judging by your attitude you didn't get that "memo".

:down:

[!Zar!]

FF cars and FR cars enter and exit corners differently.

Both styles can be quick.

Neither is really 'better'.

[blackwtr32]

P10 chassis was pretty legendary in the touring car days. Especially with the front multilink suspension. Very fun cars to drive. The touring car sr's made 300hp all motor.

BTCC 1993 - Round 9 (Part 2) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vzjPGYW_fI)

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h265/thiskidnamed32/black_hydrothermal_32/numriser0005ks0.jpg
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h265/thiskidnamed32/black_hydrothermal_32/2789201955_fb9c582def.jpg

[!Zar!]

Yeah, Primeras are dope. I remember watching them go toe to to with the m3s.

Never saw any 240s racing BTCC...


On an unrelated note, what wheels are those?

[Matej]

Yeah, Primeras are dope. I remember watching them go toe to to with the m3s.

Never saw any 240s racing BTCC...
But the third fastest car in World Time Attack right now is an S13.

Race cars!

[racepar1]

Yeah, Primeras are dope. I remember watching them go toe to to with the m3s.

Never saw any 240s racing BTCC...


On an unrelated note, what wheels are those?

NOT M3's, 318i's. Those wheels look like speedline's...

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

NOT M3's, 325i's. Those wheels look like speedline's...

Explain the difference between the 2 for me real fast, nothing but a little bigger bore,tuning and cam difference.

Me and my friend are building a 325 right now from ground up and there is little to no difference between the 2.

[racepar1]

Explain the difference between the 2 for me real fast, nothing but a little bigger bore,tuning and cam difference.

Me and my friend are building a 325 right now from ground up and there is little to no difference between the 2.

The M3's have different front suspension, bigger brakes, larger engine, different trans (328 is the same), re-enforced rear subframe mounts, different sway bars, different springs/shocks, different rear trailing arms, along with a bunch of little un-important things. That's just what I know from the little experience that I have. There are quite a few differences performance wise actually. Honestly I bought my M3 because it's the closest thing that I could find to a 4-door 240, even though it's not a Nissan.

EDIT: I just checked, the BMW's that raced in the BTCC against the G20's were actually 318i's. I'm guessing they had a 2.0l displacement limit.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

The M3's have different front suspension, bigger brakes, larger engine, different trans (328 is the same), re-enforced rear subframe mounts, different sway bars, different springs/shocks, different rear trailing arms, along with a bunch of little un-important things. That's just what I know from the little experience that I have. There are quite a few differences performance wise actually. Honestly I bought my M3 because it's the closest thing that I could find to a 4-door 240, even though it's not a Nissan.

EDIT: I just checked, the BMW's that raced in the BTCC against the G20's were actually 318i's. I'm guessing they had a 2.0l displacement limit.

I was refering to major chassis difference, I'm pretty sure these cars don't use stock suspension.

You wouldn't happen to know anyone selling a M3 engine would you? We have a 328/m3 hybrid engine. I wanna do a swap into my 240!

[Future240]

lol...all i hear is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ;)

i daily my 240 and i still love it like it was the first time i drove one heh. but i have full interior and uber comfy s14 kouki seats in mine. and my exhaust is jasma rated (its a trust PE2) so its got a low bass to it instead of a honda bumble bee thing goin on. full coilovers/adjustable control arms as well...BUT, i LIKE my cars like that, quiet and soft is just weird in my world.

What are these lies?

Or are S13 seats really that bad?

[Bmxer300zx]

lol if anything says "Fast and Furious" it would be a 240 :)

I guess the point of the thread was to determine if I challenged a S13 on the road (they are EVERYWHERE) would my little frankenstein be able to hold its own...responses have been anywhere from "no freakin way" to "possibly in certain situations"

Just got a kill on a late-model (2010 maybe?) S4 on the highway last night starting from 50. :)

when i think F&F fail cars i think of the fwd crap they put in it jetta, maxima amd the eclipse was it awd? idk did some pretty mean handbrake sliding
.
Audi s4 2010 huh? saw the badge? sure they were actually racing and not enjoying classical music blaring over your annoying exhaust?
trying to figure out how you beat a car that 0-60 is 4.9 sec and top speed of 153mph?
last i checked all jdm ecu's are limited to 114mph.

[bc.]

Or are S13 seats really that bad?

They are that bad, honestly.

[240drifter1]

It's not actually called FWD. It's called WWD (wrong wheel drive).

It's a 240sx and Z forum dude, do you REALLY think we like FWD cars? I'm a TOTAL ricer too, my shit has underglow...
You come up with that one on your own?

And no shit captian obvious, I thought I was on honda-tech.

And ive had 12 240's, im not sitting here saying fwd is gay and all this other bullshit.

Im trying to figure out why having a ff dd sucks to most of the idiots on here. I must be lost in all the hype.

[Frank_Jaeger]

What are these lies?

Or are S13 seats really that bad?
lol

mssglngth

[stateofstatic]

Nobody can answer that question. It totally depends on the individual car and driver. I know that I can drive a well set-up 240 on a racetrack faster than I could drive a well set-up G20. But I also know that I could wax everyone that ever tried to fuck with me's little asses on my favorite canyon road in my old E30 BMW, and everything else I've ever driven. It had nothing to do with my little E30 being faster, because it was slow as fuck. It had EVERYTHING to do with the fact that I've been driving that road for more than 10 years in a shitload of different cars and I know every single corner by heart. When it comes to canyon/street racing it's all about the DRIVER, not the CAR.

Also street racing is fucking stupid dude, stop bragging about it. Take it from the guy who'se wrecked 4 different cars 5 different times on mountain roads. All it takes is the tiniest mistake and you've got a bush stopping you from falling down a cliff. That's not to say that I never drive any canyons, or I never fuck with anyone that pisses me off on the highway. I AM saying that I refuse to go out "looking" for a "race". Be aware of the risks that you're taking and have respect for the consequences. Judging by your attitude you didn't get that "memo".

:down:

Good call...some of the twisty country roads I grew up on I feel I can still see the most of the lines in my sleep.

As for the S4 (I guess could have been A4, but had badging and quad exhaust) I don't make it a point to look for people to race (the car is blazing red), but if Im out at 11pm on open highway and someone hears my sqv (stupid chirping bastard) and wants to signal me, Im open to run it up for a short distance...always let off before I hit 3 digits. I've never wrecked anything I've driven, though I can admit I was stupid reckless when I was a kid so Im really just lucky. My hard driving is limited to Forza 4 nowadays :)

[dorkidori_s13]

What are these lies?

Or are S13 seats really that bad?


come on man, when was the last time you sat in stock S13 seats lol theyre pieces of shit. i love my S14 seats, they actually have adjustable lumbar support AND side bolstering hahhaha. not quite sure what the designers at nissan were thinking when they made the stock S13 seats, but i hope they were all fired and analy gang raped by donkeys.

[drift freaq]

Wow so much hate back and forth in this thread. We are all Nissan brothers. Ya and someone will hate on that statement too. Though its a fact . I own both they have there places.
I daily a P10 these days. I used to daily a 240. I daily drove it long enough to get tired of daily driving it. I am kinda getting over daily driving the P10. LOL Of course it does have coil overs and exhaust a few other things.
If I do wind up with another P10 it will get Koni's or Bilstein's, screw KYB's lol.

In the end any car be daily driven and any car can suck at being a daily. Its all in how its setup.
Though I will say P10's do handle like they are rails when they are setup. Though of course a 240 can too.

Where is this all going? OP needs to make up his own mind. Perhaps not have tried to cause shit with his comments of how bad ass his P10 was and in the course of it pissing off some 240 owners.
I am on G20.net I don't go there saying my 240 is bad ass and is faster than a Pumped P10 or P11. Its called common sense and not being rude. OP could take a lesson in that department.
If he likes Nissan's then he should own both. Last time I checked Codyace had at least 3 or 4 different Nissans.

Oh and Racepar1 does speak truth but he is on the BMW love bus of late. Can't say I blame him.

[racepar1]

You come up with that one on your own?

And no shit captian obvious, I thought I was on honda-tech.

And ive had 12 240's, im not sitting here saying fwd is gay and all this other bullshit.

Im trying to figure out why having a ff dd sucks to most of the idiots on here. I must be lost in all the hype.

All I hear is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...

:rofl:

I have no interest in owning ANY FWD car. RWD FTW!

come on man, when was the last time you sat in stock S13 seats lol theyre pieces of shit. i love my S14 seats, they actually have adjustable lumbar support AND side bolstering hahhaha. not quite sure what the designers at nissan were thinking when they made the stock S13 seats, but i hope they were all fired and analy gang raped by donkeys.

QFT! S13 seats suck sweaty donkeyballs!

:werd:

[Future240]

come on man, when was the last time you sat in stock S13 seats lol theyre pieces of shit. i love my S14 seats, they actually have adjustable lumbar support AND side bolstering hahhaha. not quite sure what the designers at nissan were thinking when they made the stock S13 seats, but i hope they were all fired and analy gang raped by donkeys.


Ive never sat in an S13, though I have seen one in person albeit it was broken.


Also FWD or not that black G20 is hot as fuck.

[javib00st]

P-Chassis FTW

[racepar1]

Also FWD or not that black G20 is hot as fuck.

:stupid:

I should correct my statement. I have no interest in owning ANY FWD car, except one of those! Racecars FTW!

[stateofstatic]

Sorry gang, wasn't trying to make this a fwd vs. rwd flame war...just thought the best place to ask about the capabilities of a car I don't know much about would be the fourm that showcases it. Here's what I've learned:

Both have similar go fast potential
Both can handle very well if setup properly
240 has WAY more options to upgrade at lower costs
G20 potentially has lower insurance rates, stays under radar of 5-O
More likely to find a mechanic that has worked on a 240 vs G20 (thats a good thing)
S13 seats suck :)

[!Zar!]

Why does it matter what wheels drive the car on a daily driver?

[Piggy]

Why does it matter what wheels drive the car on a daily driver?

Stock 40mpg CRX, and not hendered at all by being fwd everyday I drive it to work.

[racepar1]

Why does it matter what wheels drive the car on a daily driver?

I just can't drive a stock econobox. I tried, couldn't take it. I like my cars to have some personality and not blend in with the crowd. Logically there is no real reason, but it's just not for me.

Honestly though I kind of like the P10's and the B13 SE-R's...

[!Zar!]

What type of drivetrain your car has isn't stopping you from modifying it.

[drift freaq]

P-Chassis FTW

Its funny how a G20 guy starts a thread over here and all the G20.net hardcore start coming in here and going on about G20's. Relax guys you don't have to defend anything.
Seriously I know about half of you actually own or have owned 240's and loved them. Stop coming off with stuff like above.

You don't see us 240 owners going on to G20.net and saying S chassis rules.

Hell and I am on G20.net under the exact same screen name.


Oh and I should add that it looks like you are all just doing some serious trolling. Which pretty much makes G20.net look pretty petty.

Blackwtr32's post was cool but seriously again stop being on such a mission to prove yourselves its like you guys have an inferiority complex!

Now don't blame me because I stated that you are the guys doing it. I am sure some senior G20.net members would be looking down on your actions.

Oh and at least one of your senior moderators is not only a hardcore 240 guy now but runs a shop in the bay area modding them and does a lot of 240 track days.

So like I said earlier stop this my car is better than your car bullshit and grow the fuck up.

P chassis has its place and S chassis has its place some people prefer RWD to FWD. Matter of preference.

[racepar1]

What type of drivetrain your car has isn't stopping you from modifying it.

There is nothing to argue about here man, I prefer RWD. I like the feel better, I like doing doughnuts every so often, and I like the fact that it technically works better in every way except manufacturing cost for the manufacturer. That's why I like 240's and BMW's, nothing anyone could possibly say will change that even a little. That's not to say that I would never own a P10 or SE-R if one came up for the right deal, I just wouldn't go out of my way to find one when there are other cars that I prefer.

[illvialuver]

I am surprised that the mods are sleeping on this crap, letting it go on.

[Future240]

I am surprised that the mods are sleeping on this crap, letting it go on.

On the contrary I am reading and have posted in this thread. This is a discussion about an S-chassis, vs another chassis. Not much flaming, no name calling, people are discussing it in a mostly civil manner.

Cool beans.

[ixfxi]

what the fuck is wrong with you stupid idiots


we should all know that front wheel drive is superior



fuckit, lets leave this joint and head over to g20.nets

whos with me........? WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS WITH ME?
come on man
whooooooooooos with me?

[racepar1]

what the fuck is wrong with you stupid idiots


we should all know that front wheel drive is superior



fuckit, lets leave this joint and head over to g20.nets

whos with me........? WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS WITH ME?
come on man
whooooooooooos with me?


Fuck that, I'm switching to Hondatech. VTEC yo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[future]

Who needs vtec?

To the miata forums I go.......

[Matej]

Fuck that, I'm switching to Hondatech. VTEC yo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
VVL ≥ VTEC yo!

[singlecamslam]

I dont know how people daily their 240's, i mean if its bone stock sure, once you lower it its over. Ever since i switched to a lexus daily, i havent even looked at my 240 haha.

[racepar1]

VVL ≥ VTEC yo!

What's funny is that Nissan NEO VVL (SR20VE) is a carbon copy of VTEC. It is LITERALLY EXACTLY the same system.

VTAK > VVL or VTEC yO!!!

:keke:

[fliprayzin240sx]

Who gives a fuck which car is better, if you dont know how to drive neither car, what's the fucking point?

[Yellow4g63]

What's funny is that Nissan NEO VVL (SR20VE) is a carbon copy of VTEC. It is LITERALLY EXACTLY the same system.

VTAK > VVL or VTEC yO!!!

:keke:

its close but not the same. On the vvl the rockers all share a common shaft they get the oil from to lock the vvl. Nissan uses shims and 2 solenoids one for intake and exhaust. About the only thing that kinda looks the same is the cams and kinda the rocker arms. Doing a valve adjustment on a B18c is way easier than the sr20ve by far.

[240drifter1]

I daily a '00 Si, I absolutley love it. :wiggle:

[guitaraholic]

S13 is 2698lbs vs. 92 G20 2535lbs...lateral g for s13 .98, G20 .94


I think those are both those figures are a little generous. I believe it's closer to

Nissan 240sx ----(.87 - .89)
P10/G20 -------- (.84 - .86)

Of course, that is stock,, if you look at an old Sport Compact Car article on Project Silvia, they were able to acheive 1.0g. However, this was done on Falken Azines Sport tires (almost a racing tire for the street), coilovers and adj swaybars.

I will say, that when I took my Kouki to Sebring I was VERY impressed by it's handling. I have 255/35R18's Sumotos all round and adj coilover. there was no corner I feared. The car is very predictable, and was able to corner with a lot of other much superior (& expensive) cars . In fact, it was only on the staights I had problems (Stock T28, it was over 100 degrees and car started to get hot, so I basically let up on the staights - the disco in there now should help alleviate that).

I'm pretty sure a FWD can be made to handle very well too, esp if you stiffen the rear suspension a bit, and other adjustments to dial out the understeer that is inherent to a FWD setup. If you have 250whp, I would seriously look into a nice LSD that meets your needs. I believe the Ford Focus (the one in Europe) and a really nice setup, it was FWD and had very good handling. Not that I take his word as absolute, but Jeremy Clarkson was quite impressed with the handling of the Focus.

What I wonder is that being a 4 door, how stiff is the body? Do you get a lot of flex around the corners?

[racepar1]

What I wonder is that being a 4 door, how stiff is the body? Do you get a lot of flex around the corners?

Generally 4-door chasis' are actually stiffer because of the extra pillar between the doors. I'm sure that's not always true, but I know it is on the BMW 3-series chasis. The 2-door 3-series aren't quite as stiff as the 4-doors. IMO though the S13/14/15 chasis is stiffer than the 3-series, and it has a little better suspension design.

[HyperTek]

Keep your G20, you won't have to worry about someone stealing it with today's scene with 240sx.

[stateofstatic]

Keep your G20, you won't have to worry about someone stealing it with today's scene with 240sx.

Good call there! I kinda wonder how many 240s have been jacked over the past decade? I know sentras are way up there (had a stock 93 SE-R taken from me years ago), then my guess would be civics...prolly doesn't make a top 10 list due to the far lower production #s comparatively, but Im guessing the ratio is pretty high.

If mods are up for closing this Im totally fine with that. It was a fun discussion that had many interesting points and I learned a lot.

Happy end of the world day gang, may all your rides survive the apocalypse! :rawk:

[Kingbaby]

I didn't learn a damn thingn in this thread...


+1 to all the comments on it's just a different drivetrain...

If you can't drive it's flaws will show greater than with one who knows how to drive...

Really can't hate on a well put together machine...

2 cents ..

[Bambi]

I daily a '00 Si, I absolutley love it. :wiggle:

You what I believe is the best Si to have. :wan:

[chokudoriS13]

NOT M3's, 318i's. Those wheels look like speedline's...

Actually, they were 320i models.

Sent from a rotary-dial phone using Edna the Small Town Operator

[chokudoriS13]

Its funny how a G20 guy starts a thread over here and all the G20.net hardcore start coming in here and going on about G20's. Relax guys you don't have to defend anything.
Seriously I know about half of you actually own or have owned 240's and loved them. Stop coming off with stuff like above.

You don't see us 240 owners going on to G20.net and saying S chassis rules.

Hell and I am on G20.net under the exact same screen name.


Oh and I should add that it looks like you are all just doing some serious trolling. Which pretty much makes G20.net look pretty petty.

Blackwtr32's post was cool but seriously again stop being on such a mission to prove yourselves its like you guys have an inferiority complex!

Now don't blame me because I stated that you are the guys doing it. I am sure some senior G20.net members would be looking down on your actions.

Oh and at least one of your senior moderators is not only a hardcore 240 guy now but runs a shop in the bay area modding them and does a lot of 240 track days.

So like I said earlier stop this my car is better than your car bullshit and grow the fuck up.

P chassis has its place and S chassis has its place some people prefer RWD to FWD. Matter of preference.

Dave! Yo! :D

Sent from a rotary-dial phone using Edna the Small Town Operator

[ronny.jpn]

Fail thread is a fail.

[G20-Budo]

9 times out of 10 it's... driver skill 90% car 10%

I think this was one of the best things said in this thread.

I'm currently a G20 (P10) owner, and I owned a SE-R (B13) back in the day. I've driven both cars on track for YEARS in the past. With that said, I've also road coursed some nice S13's and a sweet boosted KA S14 as well. I have driven away from a number of S13 & S14's on track (some boosted some not), M3's, DMS's, etc, etc in my B13 with bolt on's, and when driving the boosted S14, I drove away from most everything on the track (including other boosted S13 & S14's).

OP, what it comes down to is what do YOU want? I personally like the P10 based on it's looks, how it handles and because it does not attract attention from cops or thieves. It's also got a different look about it, which I like.

With that said, I VERY much like S13's and S14's. For awhile I thought about buying one, but it didn't workout with my situation, so stuck with the P10.

Lastly OP, what did you expect to hear by posting on a 240 forum when you asked if you should keep the P10 or go with a 240? :) You would get pretty much the same kind of response on G20.net if you asked there (but towards you sticking with the P10, or P11).

Just go with the car you like the best. If it's a S13, sweet.. get it. You should sit down and decide what your goals are with the car. Do you plan to drag race it? Road course it? AutoX it? Or are you more of a street racer?

Do you want the car for looks? Or, as you mentioned at one point, something about wanting a sleeper?

I'd say you need to answer all of those questions for yourself first, those answers will help you to decide which car to go with.

Either way, I wish you luck.