240sx or 300z

[keepitmovin]

next year I will be getting some money and buying a new car. But which one? #### I can get a 95' 240 or a 93 300z but no turbo. Hmm i love both but there is a special place for the 240 in my heart i dunno what it is about it its slower but still it has a little more room and insurance should be less. What do you think?

get the one thats in better condition for the respective prices  u can't go wrong

[DragonReborn214]

Non turbo Zs suck (sorry non turbo Zers). Join the darkside and get a 91 Ztt.

[misnomer]

God ####, why are you debating? Get the Z dood or I'll hafta drive out there and slap you in the face.

Edit: didn't see Dragon's post. The 90 and newer Zs are pushing over 200 HP. That's a pretty broad definition of "suck"

(Edited by misnomer at 2:28 am on Dec. 13, 2001)

[DragonReborn214]

They also weigh 3200 pounds. They are slow. Trust me, bro. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[ca18guy]

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They also weigh 3200 pounds. They are slow. Trust me, bro. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

There slow comnpared to a TT Z, but it's faster then a 240SX. I'd get the Z.

[mistert]

you can always add the turbo manifolds + tranny + rear end from the z32 if you wanna go real fast, thats easier than doing a whole turbo setup or an engine swap in the 240...i say get the Z

[HondaOwner]

Non Turbo Z's are pretty slow. Ecspecially stock. I beat one with my Accord when I still had the crappy SOHC motor in it and running a 55 dry shot of nitrous.

Upgrading the Z to make it fast would be pretty easy though. However, I just feel the 240 is a much better looking car. Call me weird, that is just the way I feel.

Also, you have to look at price. What is the better deal?

[Zenki Two40]

i just like the s14's better for the money n insurance. there's a really nice 83 280zx here for $1500 w/ a perfect body n new red paint job, but the engine overheats if the a/c is on.

[ca18guy]

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you can always add the turbo manifolds + tranny + rear end from the z32 if you wanna go real fast, thats easier than doing a whole turbo setup or an engine swap in the 240...i say get the Z
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Yeaaaahhhh right, you have any idea how wrong that is?

[ca18guy]

I'm sure you'll try to argue so let me say why. A 240 swap is a simple (as simple as engine swaps go) swap. Evereything hooks up, the biggest problem is the wiring and that has been worked out nicely all ready. I would write about the n/a to TT conversion but i'll lift that right from the FAQ on www.twinturbo.net
&quot;Can I upgrade my NA to a TT?

Yes, it can be done in a billion different ways. From just trading the radiator cap from the NA to a TT (part numbers are the same - 21430-54P00) to the real deal of getting a VG30DETT and replacing all the 'NA' parts with 'TT' parts. There are numerous items in between to step up the output of the NA... most of which just qualify as performance upgrades (super chargers etc).
In general the full blown conversion is not going to be worth the time or money. But hey, we drive 300s and do goofy stuff to them all the time that would seem to be a waste of time, money or both. To each their own. Sell the NA and buy a TT.
There are some people who have done a lesser version of a TT. Just bought turbos, manifolds and intake tracting, etc. and installed it. Running stock TT injectors (370cc) and 4-5psi on the stock NA compression. Which made it pretty zippy so I'm told. If you're going to go that far, you might as well take the bottom of the engine and lower the compression by replacing the pistons. This allows the boost levels to be raised to TT levels. The only real difference in the internals is the extra lubrication equipment on the TT block (oil 'squirters' for the bottoms of the pistons). The basics to do a full parts conversion are these TT parts: ECU, Engine wiring harness, pistons, turbos and wastegates, injectors, clutch, flywheel, clutch pedal assembly (booster etc), I think the NA tranny will work in the T configuration, Tom B knows more about it then I, exhaust manifolds, precats (downpipes), main exhaust section (main cats), all intake tracting from the big rubber 'T' behind the mass airflow sensor (including intercoolers), some modification to the front facia to allow air to get into the intercoolers, some modification to the shielding behind the intercoolers to allow air to leave the intercoolers, a boost controller (I wouldn't run boost jets if I were doing this), an oil cooler and it's assembly, and finally, an aftermarket boost gauge and A-pillar mount. Personally, I'd go with the VG30DETT instead of opening up the VG30DE and replacing parts.

Doing the full on VG30DETT (block and turbos) install would be slightly simpler. Just pull the NA engine, intake tract, exhaust to the H/X/presilencer, ECU and wiring harness. Install all of the TT parts listed above, except there's no reason to do the pistons, since those are included in the VG30DETT engine with the TT engine and the lubrication gear is in there for the squirters and the oil cooler attachements.

What it boils down to is time and money. I tell people it's probably going to be a better deal to sell the NA and buy the TT in the long run (at least right now, re-read point 4). But then again.. making the full switch allows for some aftermarket replacments to take place. If you're going to go full blown then maybe it's worth the time and effort to make the conversion instead of buying a TT. Depends on the person, how much time they want to expend and how thick the wallet is. Bravo to those of you (I'm included to some extent) who are doing the conversions in whatever fashion you decided is the best way to get from point A to point B and to those of you who are doing the homework to make your own conversion happen.&quot;


BTW if u were to do a swap I would keep the n/a rear, you lose top end speed but you accelerate alot faster.


(Edited by ca18guy at 9:23 am on Dec. 13, 2001)

[Azarael]

Get both <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>
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Actually that will be my plan, hehe.
but i want a &nbsp;.. 91 240sx fastback, and a 96 300zx TT <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[whateverjames]

if you're wanting to go turbo i'd buy the 240, if you want all motor, and better looks in my opinion for the NA Z, you can get those up to about only 400 hp...oh &nbsp; 400 from a 3.0 v6 &nbsp; darn

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Non turbo Zs suck (sorry non turbo Zers). Join the darkside and get a 91 Ztt.
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yes TT are sck but if the car is old and has sme miles on it..whitch most do you will probaly have to get the turbos rebuilt costing 1000s. i too have plans foe a 300 but i think i am going with the NA. Na is still pretty quick.

craig

[HaloZ]

BAHHAHAHAH this thread is too funny. btw i will be in mid 14's on the 1/4 in my slow NA.

MY advise. if u are willing to do a sr swap or rebuild the KA for a turbo get the s14, if u want a good some what fast car out of the box, get the NAZ.


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Get both <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>
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Actually that will be my plan, hehe.
but i want a .. and a 96 300zx TT <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

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96 tt don't have an ECU upgrade. go for a 93-95. 90 have ehh brakes and they are firts year cars with typical bugs. like i said 93-95 are the prime years both NA and TT. and im sure if &quot;NAZ's sux&quot; like dragon said, i hate to hear how he feels about 240s. sense they are a bit slower, and don't feel quite as stable at high speeds as NAZ. that cuz of the weight.



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if you're wanting to go turbo i'd buy the 240, if you want all motor, and better looks in my opinion for the NA Z, you can get those up to about only 400 hp...oh 400 from a 3.0 v6 darn
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no way in ####. 250+ish at the wheels. 300-320 at the crank. add n2o and maybe u might get some 350-400 dynos



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Non Turbo Z's are pretty slow. Ecspecially stock. I beat one with my Accord when I still had the crappy SOHC motor in it and running a 55 dry shot of nitrous.
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are u sure he was racing? sounds like a typical honda &quot;story&quot;. keep the n2o for the car, not yourself.


(Edited by HaloZ at 4<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>7 pm on Dec. 13, 2001)

[whateverjames]

that 400HP was with nitrous. and since i didn't name every other part i better do that too &nbsp;yeah right <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

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BAHHAHAHAH this thread is too funny. btw i will be in mid 14's on the 1/4 in my slow NA.

MY advise. if u are willing to do a sr swap or rebuild the KA for a turbo get the s14, if u want a good some what fast car out of the box, get the NAZ.

I agree the NA 300 is pretty fast i belive 220 hp stock.
A NA 300 mabey slow coparedto the TT but the NA 300 is fast as shit compared to a 240.

[DragonReborn214]

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BAHHAHAHAH this thread is too funny. btw i will be in mid 14's on the 1/4 in my slow NA.

(Edited by HaloZ at 4<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>7 pm on Dec. 13, 2001)
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Ooo. Watch out Supras...

Na Z's and 240s are about the same speed. Zs are a little bit faster.

You can hardly reach 300 hp in an NA Z.

You can EASILY reach 300 in an sr20det powered 240.

You can't get any less than 300hp in a Ztt, unless you blow a turbo that is.

I would say either a 300zx tt or a sr20det 240. If you go any other way you will be starved for power and asking questions like &quot;This Integra beat me! Will an Intake help?&quot;

Dude in a Ztt you will fuck shit up. Also in an sr20det 240.

[transient]

If that's the case, then why haven't I been asking those types of questions? For one thing, I've got my car for the handling, not the raw power. Also, I'm planning on an all motor KA24E, yeah, I said that right, SOHC. I'm guessing after the rebuild with higher compression pistons, new valve springs, Rods, etc, I'll be pushing close to 200HP. Not as much as an SR, but for a 2600 pound car, I'll be movin fast enough to satisfy my needs.

[HaloZ]

NA z32's will kill NA mk4's.

the price to mod a 240 with a turbo sr/ka is a little over the price to modd a NAZ but it will be much faster than the Z, but modding a TTZ can get expensive real quick. &nbsp;for ppl with a decent liveing amount of money the TTZ is bad. u will be up to your eye balls in debt real quick or the car will be down for a LONG TIME. no way in #### do i want a TTZ, i will get my SR strip it, bore it and mod the shit out of it. but it will not be a DD, if he's looking for a DD the NA Z is the simple choise. i my self will have both. god willing.

[whateverjames]

are those fairlazy z lights haloz? &nbsp;i'm odering those from ultimate z for my friend, he gave me the money. did you get them for $400 shipped?

[ca18guy]

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are those fairlazy z lights haloz? i'm odering those from ultimate z for my friend, he gave me the money. did you get them for $400 shipped?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

I'm almost sure he did them himself, it's not that hard to make them clear.

[whateverjames]

ahh, i remember now. the fairlady lights are red on top and white on the bottom. &nbsp; &nbsp; my friend's back panel is cracked all over <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('> &nbsp; it looks like poo

[HaloZ]

well that are 99 Jpecs, pretty much in my opion all Z are fairladys, not much different other than RHD and emmisions cats. &nbsp;they just drop the FL for the american market. &nbsp;but yeah i got them from COZ. the 2 tail lights here 310 shipped and the center panel was another 90. thus 400 all together shipped. those are TT.net discount prices. and i was reended or i would have kept my stock ambers. &nbsp;the insurance paided for mine.

[Zexel]

I say get the 240 and do a wicked swap. &nbsp;from what I hear, people that get na Z's, always wish they had a TT. &nbsp;or at least the power of a TT. &nbsp;and well, the reality is, the na does not come close to competing with the TT. &nbsp;that's just the way life goes. &nbsp;you can barely get the na up to 300hp, to the crank. &nbsp;I mean, Z's are badass cars, don't get me wrong. &nbsp;but if you're looking for more power, I'd say go with the 240 and swap it. &nbsp;or, do what nismo said, get the one that is in better condition. &nbsp;and look at it this way, drive both, whichever you like better, whichever rides better, whichever gives more feedback to you, take it. &nbsp;you can never go wrong that way, well most of the time you can't anyways. &nbsp;I say go with the 240. &nbsp;I mean owning a 300 zx is a #### of an oppurnity, but only if it's a TT.

[keepitmovin]

Thanks for all the responses guys! Well im thinking I am pertty young insurance will be a b*tch. And parts! I just dont got a steady steady income. But maybe later on in my life get a tt. I still got all my life. But if I get the 240 I just plan to get a turbo kit can anyone give me more info on this?

[my240likenoother]

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BAHHAHAHAH this thread is too funny. btw i will be in mid 14's on the 1/4 in my slow NA.

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Ooo. Watch out Supras...

Na Z's and 240s are about the same speed. Zs are a little bit faster.

You can hardly reach 300 hp in an NA Z.

You can EASILY reach 300 in an sr20det powered 240.

You can't get any less than 300hp in a Ztt, unless you blow a turbo that is.

I would say either a 300zx tt or a sr20det 240. If you go any other way you will be starved for power and asking questions like &quot;This Integra beat me! Will an Intake help?&quot;

Dude in a Ztt you will fuck shit up. Also in an sr20det 240.
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iv seen alot of 6 cyl. N/A &nbsp;that put out more than 300 HP
im pritty shure that you could get more that 300 HP on the vg30de

[DragonReborn214]

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But if I get the 240 I just plan to get a turbo kit can anyone give me more info on this?
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