Batmowheel Turbo

[Almasxxx]

Any one use batmowheel turbo to sr20det ?

[illvialuver]

Serious? Are you for cereal?

[beems240sx]

LUL WUT

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[2.5T_/<ouki]

^ what he said!

[Nizzan4u2nv]

I havent seen it on any sr but there seems to be a lot of people using them with good results on different set ups.

[Rob's S14]

troll much?

it's not even a turbo.

[Nizzan4u2nv]

I assumed he was talking about the compressor wheel from bullseye

[Rob's S14]

My comment was directed at OP.

I figured you knew what it was.

[K0ukiM0n5ter]

hahaha what the hell..

[srt-kr]

troll much?

it's not even a turbo.

What did you say?
Bulleye Power BatMoWheel (http://www.theboostlab.com/products/bullseye-power-batmowheel.html)

[Nizzan4u2nv]

What did you say?
Bulleye Power BatMoWheel (http://www.theboostlab.com/products/bullseye-power-batmowheel.html)

That is a Bullseye turbo with a Batmowheel compressor wheel which is optional not a Batmowheel turbo.

[srt-kr]

That is a Bullseye turbo with a Batmowheel compressor wheel which is optional not a Batmowheel turbo.

Pretty sure it's safe to say he is talking about the same thing. Don't be stupid.

[Nizzan4u2nv]

Pretty sure it's safe to say he is talking about the same thing. Don't be stupid.

Don't be ignorant and assume things. The Batmowheel is an option on Bullseye turbos as well as drop in for many other makes which you would have known if you take 5 mins to research it instead of being a smartass.

[PoorMans180SX]

Batmowheels are a big marketing scheme. I have never seen a back to back test of the same turbo where that wheel made more power or spooled any faster.

Doesn't anyone wonder why they have never posted a single tech article about them? Or why they don't provide ANY sort of flow data?

[2muchboost]

Not sure if anyone follows SupraForums but KirkMKIV is one of the respected members on the forums. The red car you see in the Bullseye link is actually his car. He is using a S374 which was aimed at the GT42 as the competitor. Kirk made 941whp at 30 psi on 101 octane (not E85) which is a great result for the lack of mods he has on his setup compared to most Supra folks.

Havent seen many more results with the Batmowheel design besides Kirk and Blown1 (built setup with Auto Trans). Hopefully more people step up to the plate and do some real life testing of this technology. I always liked BW especially after my experience with the S366 extended tip setup I had in the SR. But the one thing that pushes me away besides the lack of data and results is the huge space the Race Cover requires....the thing is a monster. I have seen people run spacers to make the cover fit.

[Croustibat]

The name says it all ... batMoWheel ? Seriously ?

there is no miracle though. Either it gets more efficient, and then the spool time increase, or not.

Just reading that link, they claim more than 100HP with just that ? Without even remapping ? Strangely enough, they changed the boost too, so that people cant compare ...

That is the most stupid claim i have ever heard, next to the electric turbos ...

[bigs]

http://www.cynical-c.com/archives2/bloggraphics/kruze.jpg

[2muchboost]

Lol I love the pic. I agree I dont listen to Manufacturers claims because the massage the numbers to appeal to people. I rely on true life data and experience. The same way BW claimed miracles with EFR turbos but I still have yet to see any concrete evidence of a miracle with that whole craziness. Nonetheless, a few guys have had good-great results with the setup...in particular Kirks car.

Lol cant stop looking at the Batmobile pic. Still my fav Batmobile of all times though.

[slow92]

OP, def not the right forum to ask about these turbos. There are probably only a handful of people on this forum that use borg warner turbos. You are better to ask the supra, honda, or even evo forums about the batmowheel.

[steve shadows]

Yeah I'd love to see a back to back test. Anything that starts with our compressor wheel is "aesthetically pleasing" raises red flags for me lol

[srpower180SX]

i have bullseye s259 t3 with .55A/R with batmo wheel its awsome replaced my garrett gt3076 spools just as fast as garrets dbb setup havnt raised the boost yet but thing sounds amazing

[srpower180SX]

O and only had it on 8 psi and still pulled like crazy one guy road with me thought i had it around 15 psi lol

[2muchboost]

SRPOWER....good to hear. Keep us posted. I have been keeping my eye on these setups and looking for real data.

[ghoti]

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http://img.izismile.com/img/img3/20101228/640/all_about_batman_640_71.jpg

[Almasxxx]

i have bullseye s259 t3 with .55A/R with batmo wheel its awsome replaced my garrett gt3076 spools just as fast as garrets dbb setup havnt raised the boost yet but thing sounds amazing

Thanks for information i buy 59mm batmo wheel setup turbo :) i use drag and rolling
:) i hate trolls:fawkd:

[Croustibat]

i have bullseye s259 t3 with .55A/R with batmo wheel its awsome replaced my garrett gt3076 spools just as fast as garrets dbb setup havnt raised the boost yet but thing sounds amazing

I fear i am a little lost in your turbo choices. In just about a year, you went through a gt3071r, a gt35r, a gt3076r and now a bullseye whatever ?

[srpower180SX]

I fear i am a little lost in your turbo choices. In just about a year, you went through a gt3071r, a gt35r, a gt3076r and now a bullseye whatever ?

woooah idk where u get that info from i had gt35r journal bearing which was a slug then i traded for a gt3076r then chipped the compressor wheel now i have bullseye turbo never had a 3071r

[Croustibat]

My info comes from you, i just did hit the search button.

[cotbu]

I find this thread a lil funny, not funny HAHA, but funny hmmmm! Some of you, knock this wheel because of the marketing, but the Garrett wheel differs in what way?

[PoorMans180SX]

I find this thread a lil funny, not funny HAHA, but funny hmmmm! Some of you, knock this wheel because of the marketing, but the Garrett wheel differs in what way?

It has real data and turbo engineers that back it up...

[cotbu]

You don't know that the "batmowheel" doesn't. Garrett is a trusted name, for sure.
Just a few years ago everybody was rock Megan everything and auto-meter that.
I can say I never ran any Megan products but replaced a lot, never ran auto meter gauges but installed a few. So how did i come up with the opinion that these manufactures products are not for me. The other people that did try them that's how. The community is the greatest source for marketing. :rant;)

[PoorMans180SX]

You don't know that the "batmowheel" doesn't. Garrett is a trusted name, for sure.


I do, because they have not published any technical information, flow maps, or even explained how their wheel improves airflow. They haven't even shown any back-to-back gains that I have found, even in the Diesel truck world where they are popular. No sense believing in something when there is no evidence for it.

[cotbu]

:mepoke:It's OK you missed my point! funny HAHAHA!:naughtyd:

[Croustibat]

1/ Legit companies dont need fancy names to sell;
2/ Legit companies backs up claims with proofs;
3/ Legit companies dont make stupid claims like "i got 100HP more and spooled faster, and all that without remapping, and i achieved that by fitting a wheel that is twice bigger and heavier and has a lot of tortured fins"
4/ Did i mention legit companies brings proofs and technical data, like for instance a flow map for a turbo ?

This is the usual bullshit, "get more HP for cheap and no tradeoff from us, because if you buy from a known company that has been in the business for decades it will be expensive and you will have to sacrifice something else to get more power".

What bothers me the most is there are still people falling for it. I guess i overrate people.

[derass]

stick with garrett, as they are the world leader in performance gasoline turbochargers. all other turbo manufactures are inferior in terms of their research and development.

[cotbu]

I just acquired some real data and I'm gonna tell you I'm still not impressed. I'm gonna see if I can get one of these wheels and do some testing. This company isn't as rinky dink as you may think. Apparently you either know of their performance or you don't!

[PoorMans180SX]

I just acquired some real data and I'm gonna tell you I'm still not impressed. I'm gonna see if I can get one of these wheels and do some testing. This company isn't as rinky dink as you may think. Apparently you either know of their performance or you don't!

I've been to the company headquarters before. Yes they are. All they really do is cast housings for other companies turbochargers. The "batmowheel" is the only part of a turbo they make that moves...

[cotbu]

I was told they make more than just comp/turbine housings... but sure anyone can just pour liquid metal into a mold right. You just seem to protest too much. How about YOU, PoorMans180SX buy the wheel and test it, then post data and whatnot along with your opinion.

[PoorMans180SX]

I was told they make more than just comp/turbine housings... but sure anyone can just pour liquid metal into a mold right. You just seem to protest too much. How about YOU, PoorMans180SX buy the wheel and test it, then post data and whatnot along with your opinion.

Bullseye Power only sells Borgwarner turbos. They then make their own compressor covers and turbine housings, throw a batmowheel on it, and replace the BW tag with a Bullseye Power one.

And I'm not going to buy a $400 wheel when I know it will be a giant waste of my time and money. I'd much rather buy a Kawasaki Turbo Systems wheel that is less than half the cost and proven to make more power than whatever stock wheel I'm replacing.

If anything their wheel is deeper (taller fins) and has extended tips, at least that's what they do on their HX40 replacement. The shape of the leading edge of the fin is a marketing gimmick, it does nothing. Waste of money.

[Croustibat]

How about YOU, PoorMans180SX buy the wheel and test it, then post data and whatnot along with your opinion.

How about THIS COMPANY backs up their claims with comparative data ?

[cotbu]

Bullseye Power only sells Borgwarner turbos. They then make their own compressor covers and turbine housings, throw a batmowheel on it, and replace the BW tag with a Bullseye Power one.

And I'm not going to buy a $400 wheel when I know it will be a giant waste of my time and money. I'd much rather buy a Kawasaki Turbo Systems wheel that is less than half the cost and proven to make more power than whatever stock wheel I'm replacing.

If anything their wheel is deeper (taller fins) and has extended tips, at least that's what they do on their HX40 replacement. The shape of the leading edge of the fin is a marketing gimmick, it does nothing. Waste of money.
You would need to prove that the wheel does nothing. You saying it means nothing. So backup what you say!

How about THIS COMPANY backs up their claims with comparative data ?
I've seen the comparison data, so either you're believe the negative hype or you're just a bandwagon jumper. Granted it's not what garrett did for the gtx28xx, but it's still available. Just not in a format most are used too.

I'm not biased in any way, so i'll put this wheel on something we can relate too and then mount it to an sr.
Shit most people believe that a gt2871r.64 can't make 400hp so what garrett claims would be bullshit even with data!

[Croustibat]

You would need to prove that the wheel does nothing. You saying it means nothing. So backup what you say!


See, in the science and engineering world, that is not how it works. Your approach is used by conspirationists (and various churches), and is dismissed by every scientist.

In the science and engineering world, you always backup claims with proofs. That is how it is done.



I've seen the comparison data,


Great ! Where is it ? It seems you are the only one who has.


Granted it's not what garrett did for the gtx28xx, but it's still available. Just not in a format most are used too.


A turbo compressor is a device that is caracterized by its flow and pressure map + efficiency. If you want to compare 2 turbo compressor wheel, just compare these maps.

Question is : where are they ?


Shit most people believe that a gt2871r.64 can't make 400hp so what garrett claims would be bullshit even with data!

Garrett never claimed a gt2871r .64 could not make 400hp (btw that is ridiculous, a turbo does not produce HPs, it produces flow / pressure). Garrett gives a rough estimate of what you can achieve with their turbo while not sacrificing its durability.

Which is quite a difference with claiming a 137 wheel HP increase with a 2psi boost increase.

And i quote :

In excitement to test this new wheel, we swapped our Garrett GT42 (76mm) Supra with the S374 BatMoWheel and headed straight to the dyno! Needless to say, we were extremely impressed. With the GT42 at 27-28psi, max horsepower was 804rwhp. With the S374 (75mm) on 30psi, 941rwhp was achieved. The Supra's block is completely STOCK with the exception of HKS 272 camshafts.


The only way to prove it is working is to produce that flow/pressure/efficiency map.

Dyno runs can be cheated, and just a little wheel slip will give you 100 more HP.

Just ask yourself this : why ? Why would they up the boost, if it was not to prevent any comparison ? Why would they claim "no e85', then put race fuel in it, if it was not to mislead readers ? How do they go from 840HP (first run) to 940HP on the last run ? Why dont they publish that standard flow map ?

The simplest explanation is : because it will show it is not worth what they ask for.

I am not saying it does not work at all, i am saying there is a tradeoff. If the wheel weights more and has more surface, then it will spool worse. That fin design has that very sharp edge, that is extremely bad, any turbine designer can tell that; in fact anyone working with fluid dynamics and/or thermo dynamics will tell you that. And i would be very interested in some stress test on it ... i dont know how long it will last, but you better use a very good air filter, you dont want that mass to become out of balance because dust grinded it a bit ...

[cotbu]

Just got off the phone with wild bill and I was told they do build their own turbo's. And he did refer to the turbo as a BATMOWHEEL so.....anyway they don't release compressor maps because they don't want to let people make the wrong decision and most people don't know the VE of their engine, beside the compressor map is not the best way to judge a turbo's performance. If they give a recommendation and it doesn't preform, they will change it for you. He also recommended a batmowheel turbo for me it was 250 something batmowheel, I forget but anyway. Pepsi challenge!

[Croustibat]

Just got off the phone with wild bill and I was told they do build their own turbo's. And he did refer to the turbo as a BATMOWHEEL so.....

So he is bullshitting you, because its his job as a marketing guy. They consider changing a wheel means building a turbo. Tought luck, thats not it.


anyway they don't release compressor maps because they don't want to let people make the wrong decision and most people don't know the VE of their engine [...]

Shittiest excuse i have ever heard. turbine and compressor maps are not only the best way but also the ONLY way to compare turbos. They are absolute data, they dont depend on an engine. Which is the exact reason they are used.

I got a simpler explanation though: they dont release compressor map because they dont have it.


beside the compressor map is not the best way to judge a turbo's performance.

that is quite right, the best way is to use a flow bench. And it produces (wait for it)... flow/pressure maps with efficiency.


If they give a recommendation and it doesn't preform, they will change it for you. He also recommended a batmowheel turbo for me it was 250 something batmowheel, I forget but anyway. Pepsi challenge!

Yeah sure. So basically people need to trust them blindly, pay, and then "if it does not perform they will change it". I cant see "for free" here, nor can i see a definition of "perform". I cant read "happy" either.