New 2013 Smog station changes and rules in California

[drift freaq]

Ok folks as of 2013 the Gold shield smog station will no longer exist. In its place is what is going to be called a Star smog station or Star Station. Now in previous years we have had high emitter profile rules and gross polluter rules. These are now falling under the the Star station rule as well as certain selection of vehicles that will be required to be tested at a Star station. A Star station may or may not be a test only station. Some Star stations will be able to conduct repairs.
Now as far as knowing if you car fits the profile? Expect any cars that are in the neighborhood of 16-20 years old or older to fall into the Star Station requirement.
As of right now the Star stations do not exist, come Jan. that changes. Star stations will be equipped with a sophisticated camera monitoring system so that CARB can keep an eye on the smog mechanics and the Vehicles.

Now you are probably asking yourself how does drift know this? I am the unlucky recipient of my G20 needing its reg renewed come Jan. I have been informed I must get it tested at a Star station. My G is a 1993 and it has a fair amount of mileage on it.
It fits the profile in other words. Expect to see quite a few 240sx's getting selected for this program.

There is no published list of what vehicles would be in this category. Its all done by CARB in private.
You can thank our wonderful lame duck I want to spend more money than we have state legislature for this.

What this does mean is your car is going to need every piece of smog equipment on it. Seeing as their will be camera's to make sure about these things.
It will also raise the costs of smogs as they make the Star stations pay more for the equipment.

Yes it is kinda big brotherish but again the state legislature has been leaning this way for years. Hell drive down the freeway and notice the the electronic signs that tell you to wear a seat belt or get a ticket.

[flanky777]

hrm that's quite interesting, knowing that half of the cars won't pass smog under these certain conditions..

[iRONDONkey]

lol californiaaaaaaaa

california

[g00se]

that is retarded...

Time to just register in another state >>

[bardabe]

well i found out about this a while back, I already have my fix for this so it's all good :)

[Damado93]

well i found out about this a while back, I already have my fix for this so it's all good :)

like a bossssss

[singlecamslam]

I guess no more ghetto smogs in cali Also the current $50 dollar rate for smog is not enough for them? Whats it gonna be like 80 for a smog now? I fucking hate this state.

[drift freaq]

lol californiaaaaaaaa

california


Hmmm Atlanta, really I mean just really is there any reason for you to be posting here beyond wise ass comments? Last time I checked Atlanta was in the SE region not the southwest.

[K_style]

lol californiaaaaaaaa

california

What a troll... LOL

[nismostormtrooper]

well i found out about this a while back, I already have my fix for this so it's all good :)

Please enlighten us! =)

[jesse_s13]

lol californiaaaaaaaa

california

Ok cool guy. Your state WILL adopt CA emission testing soon enough.

On the other hand. This is pretty crazy, just like the mobile smog stations.

[EDacIouSX]

yea i'm worried about this as well..... especially since I have two 240s....

[Boss240]

what does this mean for people who have done engine swaps?

[Driftwurks]

Thanks for sharing this information Dave.

what does this mean for people who have done engine swaps?

What do you think? All you can do is hope that the 240SX isn't put on that list.

[racepar1]

Dave showed me his Reg. yesterday and I was stunned. SR/CA/RB guys are SCREWED! This sucks ass, this shit is REAL. No heresay!

Too bad the assholes that are REALLY polluting are the same ones that fund our dickwad politicians' campaigns...

[ahel13]

im reg out of state just because of all of cali's wonderful smog laws and laws on anything u do to a car

[Akito86]

Oh my i hope not , keeps 2jz out of it too please

[darnit5]

So are they just going to be choosing people's cars at random? ( granted they are with the 16-20 year old zone) or is it based on the car model?

[t0nyakapb]

this is BS...hope im ok since i did my smog less den a month ago

[racepar1]

So are they just going to be choosing people's cars at random? ( granted they are with the 16-20 year old zone) or is it based on the car model?

The criteria they use to select the vehicles is very vague and not explained in detail at all. I can guarantee that all of our 240's will be on that list though. The state isn't stupid. They know that there are a lot of 240's out there with illegal engine swaps that are getting clean-piped. I can guarantee that they have their targets firmly set on US.

[singlecamslam]

Holy shit this sounds serious, i'm actually pretty worried now since most people have swaps.... i guess the price of KA's will skyrocket, better stock up now.

[zerodameaon]

There can be some good to come from this, maybe it will force all the half ass Honda kids out of the scene.

[Gizmo_S13]

OFF TOPIC: posted this in another group and thought it might be useful to know since we are in So cal.

Just passing the world along...

EVERYONE!!!

I just got off the phone with Marvin from the Bureau of Automotive Repairs at 1-800-952-5210. He was courteous and helpful with all of his information. I Told him that I was stopped at a mobile smog checkpoint and that the officer implied that these were mandatory and that it caused me to be late to work. He immediately asked if, and encouraged to file a complaint. He also offered to send me a letter of apology in behalf of the B.A.R to show to my employer in case there had been any problems. He consistently said and confirmed that the checkpoints are completely VOLUNTARY and that the CHP officer must let you go!!! So there are OPTIONAL.

I would suggest keeping the number and if you ever get pulled over then just call and ask for Marvin. The total time it took me(went through the process with the automated recording and pressing number for options) was less that 15 mins.

When they answered I spoke to a lady, who later transferred me to Marvin also said that the checkpoints are to check for vehicles that are emitting vast amounts of (visual) smoke.

[jesse_s13]

OFF TOPIC: posted this in another group and thought it might be useful to know since we are in So cal.

Just passing the world along...

EVERYONE!!!

I just got off the phone with Marvin from the Bureau of Automotive Repairs at 1-800-952-5210. He was courteous and helpful with all of his information. I Told him that I was stopped at a mobile smog checkpoint and that the officer implied that these were mandatory and that it caused me to be late to work. He immediately asked if, and encouraged to file a complaint. He also offered to send me a letter of apology in behalf of the B.A.R to show to my employer in case there had been any problems. He consistently said and confirmed that the checkpoints are completely VOLUNTARY and that the CHP officer must let you go!!! So there are OPTIONAL.

I would suggest keeping the number and if you ever get pulled over then just call and ask for Marvin. The total time it took me(went through the process with the automated recording and pressing number for options) was less that 15 mins.

When they answered I spoke to a lady, who later transferred me to Marvin also said that the checkpoints are to check for vehicles that are emitting vast amounts of (visual) smoke.

Thank you very very much. They are doing these in the Cen Cal.

[dluevanos01]

OFF TOPIC: posted this in another group and thought it might be useful to know since we are in So cal.

Just passing the world along...

EVERYONE!!!

I just got off the phone with Marvin from the Bureau of Automotive Repairs at 1-800-952-5210. He was courteous and helpful with all of his information. I Told him that I was stopped at a mobile smog checkpoint and that the officer implied that these were mandatory and that it caused me to be late to work. He immediately asked if, and encouraged to file a complaint. He also offered to send me a letter of apology in behalf of the B.A.R to show to my employer in case there had been any problems. He consistently said and confirmed that the checkpoints are completely VOLUNTARY and that the CHP officer must let you go!!! So there are OPTIONAL.

I would suggest keeping the number and if you ever get pulled over then just call and ask for Marvin. The total time it took me(went through the process with the automated recording and pressing number for options) was less that 15 mins.

When they answered I spoke to a lady, who later transferred me to Marvin also said that the checkpoints are to check for vehicles that are emitting vast amounts of (visual) smoke.

HEY!! that was me!!! Giving me no credit? jk jk ahaha
Well I thought we were safe since these checkpoints are voluntary but now cameras? I guess we're fucked.
Anyone know if Oregon has any smog laws? might register it there instead.

[just a guy]

im a smog tech and i have my own shop
guys with swaps and mods shouldnt worry to much
star cars that fail can still be passed at reg test only after the fail
the only difference is star stations are dmv directed cars and now the machines will read vin for OBDII
so if u know me or have a friend that knows me im glad to help in anyway i can :)

[wolfy47]

awesome post, thanks for the head up..they were telling us about some major smog changes that were going to be happening soon when I was taking some auto classes last fall

op- any chance you can post the website you found this info from??

also any word if they are going to start testing some newer (early 00's and up) OBDII cars by port only yet instead of doing a tailpipe test along with it, if i remember they were thinking about doing that along with the new changes

also there was word that there was supposed to be some changes in smog exempt cars years to make earlier than 74

[just a guy]

they are going to continue to do tail pipe> but they will start testing can vehicles and reading vin

[Jsal32]

they are going to continue to do tail pipe> but they will start testing can vehicles and reading vin

Wait, I'm confused. Does ur statement apply to PRE-'75 cars as the previous poster stated?

What are the expected changes to PRE-'75 smog-exempt vehicles?

Thanks,

Jose

[zerodameaon]

Anyone know if Oregon has any smog laws? might register it there instead.
Yes and no, some towns have it but I think its only two and one of them is Medford.

Also they have predicted this will happen and have a big campaign right now to start cracking down on out of state registration. Last I heard they were trying to fine neighbors if they don"t report it, then again that all could have been the local news stations passing around rumors.

[Gizmo_S13]

HEY!! that was me!!! Giving me no credit? jk jk ahaha
Well I thought we were safe since these checkpoints are voluntary but now cameras? I guess we're fucked.
Anyone know if Oregon has any smog laws? might register it there instead.

HAHA that's why I typed in, "Passing the word along" My bad, didn't even see who poste it XD

[drift freaq]

im a smog tech and i have my own shop
guys with swaps and mods shouldnt worry to much
star cars that fail can still be passed at reg test only after the fail
the only difference is star stations are dmv directed cars and now the machines will read vin for OBDII
so if u know me or have a friend that knows me im glad to help in anyway i can :)
Excuse me but most of the cars directed to Star stations will be OBDI not OBDII. Star cars that fail need to be passed a Star test only station not any test only station.

Right now technically Start stations will pretty much not exist till 2013.

hmmm seems like soliciting illegal smogs that is a forum violation.

awesome post, thanks for the head up..they were telling us about some major smog changes that were going to be happening soon when I was taking some auto classes last fall

op- any chance you can post the website you found this info from??

also any word if they are going to start testing some newer (early 00's and up) OBDII cars by port only yet instead of doing a tailpipe test along with it, if i remember they were thinking about doing that along with the new changes

also there was word that there was supposed to be some changes in smog exempt cars years to make earlier than 74

Just google star station program and all kinds of stuff will come up. I got my info directly from my friend who runs a Smog station after I got the paper on my car.

[dluevanos01]

HAHA that's why I typed in, "Passing the word along" My bad, didn't even see who poste it XD

I was kidding aha that's cool. also for anyone wanting "heads ups" on mobile smog stations join this group of Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/groups/436732443006190/).

im a smog tech and i have my own shop
guys with swaps and mods shouldnt worry to much
star cars that fail can still be passed at reg test only after the fail
the only difference is star stations are dmv directed cars and now the machines will read vin for OBDII
so if u know me or have a friend that knows me im glad to help in anyway i can :)

Umm sound good. I'm pretty sure we know a friend, of a friend, of a friend, of a friend, of one of you're friends. Does that count? I'm kidding. I'm good for about another year and a couple months, might go back to KA or possibly try to BAR'D a VQ or something.

Yes and no, some towns have it but I think its only two and one of them is Medford.

Also they have predicted this will happen and have a big campaign right now to start cracking down on out of state registration. Last I heard they were trying to fine neighbors if they don"t report it, then again that all could have been the local news stations passing around rumors.

Yeah. looked around for a bit and figure Medford was the only one but I have no relatives there, only on the Portland area.

What?! are you serious? gotta look into that now. hope it's just the media spreading rumors

[just a guy]

Excuse me but most of the cars directed to Star stations will be OBDI not OBDII. Star cars that fail need to be passed a Star test only station not any test only station.

Right now technically Start stations will pretty much not exist till 2013.

hmmm seems like soliciting illegal smogs that is a forum violation.



Just google star station program and all kinds of stuff will come up. I got my info directly from my friend who runs a Smog station after I got the paper on my car.


hahaha ok u know more about smogs then my business. ur right. u win
and i never said i would pass anything for anyone. i just said i would help.

[racepar1]

hahaha ok u know more about smogs then my business. ur right. u win
and i never said i would pass anything for anyone. i just said i would help.


Forget who knows more. It says right on his registration that his smog is REQUIRED to be performed at a STAR station. Since the program hasn't started you those cars can still be smogged at a test-only, but according to the BAR website after the first of the year it's STAR ONLY. Now, I'm pretty sure they'll push the deadline back, seeing as there is ONLY 1 star station currently registered. But I am positive that STAR smogs will not be able to go to test-only once the program is in full-swing. I read through the info myself on the BAR website.


BTW, DO NOT advertise illegal smogs here. The moderation will not take kindly to it.

[!Zar!]

Not all that worried.

[ryandh]

Wow... I'm fucked

[Sleepiedaze]

get car registered in tijuana. issue fixed :)

[stinky_180]

well, that sucks

[dluevanos01]

get car registered in tijuana. issue fixed :)

what? that's a first aha

[Dutchmalmiss]

Crap, just got a letter in the mail. My '01 G20 needs a Star Smog as well. These better be easy to find. My car is beautifully maintained and bone stock anyways.

[Mofuhcka]

So if I keep all the emissions on my 2JZ swap it will be safe?

[racepar1]

Crap, just got a letter in the mail. My '01 G20 needs a Star Smog as well. These better be easy to find. My car is beautifully maintained and bone stock anyways.

Smog it NOW and just go to a regular test-only. The program doesn't start untill the first of the year. That's pretty surprising that an 01 would be required to go STAR. Was it declared a gross polluter in the past or something?

[Dutchmalmiss]

Smog it NOW and just go to a regular test-only. The program doesn't start untill the first of the year. That's pretty surprising that an 01 would be required to go STAR. Was it declared a gross polluter in the past or something?

No, always passed with flying colors. Emissions was never tampered with, nor was it ever modded.

[Bobafreak]

As like most things, im sure there will be a loophole. Or a "i know someone who knows someone" and this to shall pass. I need to smog my car soon though but my car is bone stock.

[drift freaq]

hahaha ok u know more about smogs then my business. ur right. u win
and i never said i would pass anything for anyone. i just said i would help.


Umm first off you were spreading misinformation mister I am a smog tech I know it all. Like Racepar said it says it right on my reg renewal. Oh and ya I went and looked it all up as well.
You really are not using your brain when you speak up here.

See you may not be coming right out and saying, but you pretty much allude to it. Even if trying to disclaim it and saying you will just help. The mods don't like it and will pink you for it.
Oh and don't think that officials don't read automotive websites and forums.
of course its your job go ahead and take your chances.





No, always passed with flying colors. Emissions was never tampered with, nor was it ever modded.

Is it high mileage? High mileage cars are usually targeted.

[Cloz]

My dad just got his registration renewal with the smog notice and he has to do the STAR smog. He has a 1991 Toyota Camry, there is no way a 240sx is going to slip by if a Toyota Camry can't. You have got to be kidding me. . .

[Josh400]

Damn.. that sucks you guys got to go through this shit just to enjoy your cars. I hope this won't happen in las Vegas

[Dutchmalmiss]

Is it high mileage? High mileage cars are usually targeted.

Yep, I'm at a healthy 175k haha.

[zerodameaon]

get car registered in tijuana. issue fixed :)

There is a Skyline owned by a certain shop in SD that is registered in TJ. I inquired about it and I was told it takes a pretty large chunk of cash to grease the palms of the right person and even that is not a guarantee.


As for the news story I think it may just be rumors because the CHP officer they interviewed just asked people to turn in neighbors but the reporter in his closing statement said they are going to start fining people who don't report it.

[drift freaq]

As for the news story I think it may just be rumors because the CHP officer they interviewed just asked people to turn in neighbors but the reporter in his closing statement said they are going to start fining people who don't report it.


Ya I find this a highly suspect report. What you are talking about is what used to go on the former Soviet Union. Basically people would inform on their neighbors. They cannot fine people for not reporting what their neighbors are doing. That basically flies in the face of granted constitutional rights.
Some news reporter is obviously pretty ignorant of the constitution. LOL

[ghoti]

also there was word that there was supposed to be some changes in smog exempt cars years to make earlier than 74

I think what you're talking about is S.B. 1224 which was an attempt back in March to make pre-1981 vehicles smog exempt.

[drift freaq]

I think what you're talking about is S.B. 1224 which was an attempt back in March to make pre-1981 vehicles smog exempt.

Ya that failed but the state rep behind it is still a state rep. His area is Fresno and he is basically paid off by the big farm lobby. The big farms are the biggest single air pollution polluters in the Central Valley. They have absolutely no smog equipment on any of their trucks and machinery. Oh and the engines that run the pumps for their irrigation.
He keeps on writing bills aimed at cars so it distracts attention from the farms and what they are doing.

[Kevin920415]

so..... by next year... how will the people with sr/ca/rb survive.....?

I was planning on going sr too... :/

[VertTwins]

We are applying to be a star station. I got a .73 fpr right now so it should not be a problem. There is no mention of camera's in BAR's final draft of the new system. where did you get that??? In Jersey and NY they do use camaeras in their stations, have for several years so it would not surprise me if in the near future they do here too. But right now it in not in the plan.
Cars are selected for directed status by 2 methods. If they are a high emitter profile (meaning lots of that model and year tend to fail) and 7% of the rest of the cars registered in california are randomly choosen. The high emitter status has nothing to do with your car specifically passing or failing a prior smog check, it has to do with that model vehicle.

I have had a 2004 nissan murano come in that was test only directed. Those never fail, it was merely one of the 7%.

As for the farm equipment, Go to The ARB website and take a look at the new legislation for diesels, They are cracking down on all on and off road diesels, including farm equipment. Be thankful they are not requiring all on road gasoline powered cars to have 2010 or newer engines like they are heavy duty diesels. How much do you think new engines for a fleet of peterbuilts or kenworths will cost :O

[dallaceseiuli]

Are they applying gun laws to cars now? Hard to own anything nice here. Soon as possible I'm getting out of state

[MAD240SX]

I have a 02 Audi A4 turbo with just over 100,000 miles and it's being called for a Star station so what I have read on here I am able to go to a regular Test only station as long its before Jan 2013?

[EDacIouSX]

yea california is FREAKEN GAY. Useless jerkoffs in sac town spending our money and preventing us to spend what little money they leave in our pockets the way we want to spend it.

[MAD240SX]

Thanks, I have not got the one for my Nissan but it should be coming in anytime now.

[Shadowhunter]

California Car Nazi's strike again. Thanks for wasting my tax payer dollars.

[Aroddalobster]

Would it be possible to smog the car before the paper comes in the mail? My car's registration is in february, and I'd rather get the smog done before the end of the year to avoid all this star nonsense. And for some reason, I'm thinking smog certs are good for 3 months, or is that only when you're smogging to transfer titles (i.e. selling the car)?

Why does cali hate its residents so much.

[Kevin920415]

What can the people with sr/ca/rb do? :/ Don't drive our cars and wait until they are smog exempt? hahahahh.. sad.. sad... cali...

[racepar1]

What can the people with sr/ca/rb do? :/ Don't drive our cars and wait until they are smog exempt? hahahahh.. sad.. sad... cali...

They'll NEVER be smog exempt.

[JSpeclimited1]

Another question to ask is, what happens if you have swapped from auto to manual?

for me i have a 98 with 210K miles completely stock. i just did my swap and of course the CEL is on, and i all i need is a 97-98 manual ecu so i don't have this problem. Since STAR is checking for VINs will it fail because i don't have the corresponding ECU with my car?

[halokilller]

someone will find a loophole... hopefully

[Mofuhcka]

Another question to ask is, what happens if you have swapped from auto to manual?

for me i have a 98 with 210K miles completely stock. i just did my swap and of course the CEL is on, and i all i need is a 97-98 manual ecu so i don't have this problem. Since STAR is checking for VINs will it fail because i don't have the corresponding ECU with my car?

Tranny swaps are legal, just get the ECU and you should be good.

[MAD240SX]

Just got my Registration for the 240 and it has Star Station

[desertKAdrifter]

Just got my Registration for the 240 and it has Star Station

Chingado!! and so it begins. I just bought a s14 and thank the heavens i dont have to go to star. At least im good for 2 years... Oh and if im sent to star with any of my other cars, California:mephfawk:. Its funny how my cousin's 2001 camaro with a blower sticking out of the hood and making about 800hp never gets hassled by anyone:madfawk: "c'mon cops u can see the damn nitrous lines wrapped around the plenums!!!!!!! But no he pulls over the guy with slammed s14:picardfp:

[mantas]

Its all of the prius driving pricks, they want us to get rid of our old cars and get new clean fuel burning vehicles like the prius....only problem is those shit cars create more pollution when you add up production and batteries sitting in the ground for all of eternity. At least co2 leaves the atmosphere to some extent, where are the batteries? Oh yeah in landfills. Pricks, prius driving communists, they only care about themselves and imposing more rules on others.

[Mjb693]

Does anyone know if this will affect countys that only smog on transfer of ownership?

[7RIFT0]

Damn liberals in Sacramento and money scams.

[dluevanos01]

Just got my Registration for the 240 and it has Star Station

:eek2: S13 or s14? I'm fucked now if it's an s13.

Chingado!! and so it begins. I just bought a s14 and thank the heavens i dont have to go to star. At least im good for 2 years... Oh and if im sent to star with any of my other cars, California:mephfawk:. Its funny how my cousin's 2001 camaro with a blower sticking out of the hood and making about 800hp never gets hassled by anyone:madfawk: "c'mon cops u can see the damn nitrous lines wrapped around the plenums!!!!!!! But no he pulls over the guy with slammed s14:picardfp:

This happened to me but the cop let me go. I was driving with my friend in his EL Camino, which has drag slicks and a huge blower hood.

Does anyone know if they will call S13 KAde or KAe models differently or are they just S13s all together?

[7RIFT0]

Pretty soon we are all going to have to be forced into buying trucks and trailers to tow our cars around!

[MAD240SX]

:eek2: S13 or s14? I'm fucked now if it's an s13.

It's a S13

[mantas]

Pretty soon we are all going to have to be forced into buying trucks and trailers to tow our cars around!

Yup. Diesel 6.0s blowing smoke out the back and towing a car, how is that for pollution you dumb hippies. Fuck this state, im already thinking about where i want to move to.

[uraznfriend]

Pricks, prius driving communists, they only care about themselves and imposing more rules on others.

You used the term communist all wrong, i think the term your looking for is liberals.

[mantas]

You used the term communist all wrong, i think the term your looking for is liberals.

Thats my point - liberal = communist. I dont care if there are differences between the two, there are too many similarities.

[halokilller]

(flame suit on)

is it worth looking into buying a 240sx now? even if its just a stock ka because its seems that its almost illegal to own one

[silvia-84]

Yup. Diesel 6.0s blowing smoke out the back and towing a car, how is that for pollution you dumb hippies. Fuck this state, im already thinking about where i want to move to.

same here.

[mantas]

same here.

Yeah this state is so fucked. I cant stand this liberalism all around me. Had to sit next to some hippie lawyer last night and listen to her yap about her dumb job. Explained to me every daily task, i dont need to hear it lady. But thats the mentality, they only care about themselves and dont realize they are all over 3 lanes of traffic because their damn text message is more important than a human life. Brainless selfish, rule bending assholes - everywhere. They only care about air pollution because they want the air to be clean in their neighborhood, they really dont care about the rest of the country or world, but they say they do. Its a matter of their personal needs not clean air. They want you to drive a prius and sniff your own farts in it.

[mantas]

Yeah this state is so fucked. I cant stand this liberalism all around me. Had to sit next to some hippie lawyer last night and listen to her yap about her dumb job. Explained to me every daily task, i dont need to hear it lady. But thats the mentality, they only care about themselves and dont realize they are all over 3 lanes of traffic because their damn text message is more important than a human life. Brainless selfish, rule bending assholes - everywhere. They only care about air pollution because they want the air to be clean in their neighborhood, they really dont care about the rest of the country or world, but they say they do. Its a matter of their personal needs not clean air. They want you to drive a prius and sniff your own farts in it.

How do i know this? My father is a crazy liberal and so is my mother. Between the two of them they own 4 suvs but bitch about global warming. So yes, all of you need to drive a prius but not my hardcore liberal parents. Do you see how it works in this state?

[Akito86]

why blame the Toyota prius that car has been in the market for so long (97) i think once the spark volt and fiesta focus rip off came out and have dunked on sales the past 5 years the regulations have gone banana's
its all money this State pricks want. they need money to roll in for their selfish lives

My s13 is do for star smog so is my Sc300 by Jan 2013. XP baka baka!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mantas]

why blame the Toyota prius that car has been in the market for so long (97) i think once the spark volt and fiesta focus rip off came out and have dunked on sales the past 5 years the regulations have gone banana's
its all money this State pricks want. they need money to roll in for their selfish lives

My s13 is do for star smog so is my Sc300 by Jan 2013. XP baka baka!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hahahah. I guess we can pick on the escalade hybrid instead.

[nissan240sexy]

Man, here we go again, California and its smog. Im glad I stuck with my KA. Good luck to all with swaps tho:)

On a brighter note: star station summons could turn into mini meets, hahaha. Just kiddin'

[Akito86]

lol that's good at least we stay positive! XD

[VROOOM]

We are applying to be a star station. I got a .73 fpr right now so it should not be a problem. There is no mention of camera's in BAR's final draft of the new system. where did you get that??? In Jersey and NY they do use camaeras in their stations, have for several years so it would not surprise me if in the near future they do here too. But right now it in not in the plan.
Cars are selected for directed status by 2 methods. If they are a high emitter profile (meaning lots of that model and year tend to fail) and 7% of the rest of the cars registered in california are randomly choosen. The high emitter status has nothing to do with your car specifically passing or failing a prior smog check, it has to do with that model vehicle.

I have had a 2004 nissan murano come in that was test only directed. Those never fail, it was merely one of the 7%.

As for the farm equipment, Go to The ARB website and take a look at the new legislation for diesels, They are cracking down on all on and off road diesels, including farm equipment. Be thankful they are not requiring all on road gasoline powered cars to have 2010 or newer engines like they are heavy duty diesels. How much do you think new engines for a fleet of peterbuilts or kenworths will cost :O

the company i work for spent over 2 million to put Diesel Particulate Filters on our old trucks and next year is the off highway stuff. which is going to cost more i believe.

a full rebuild (parts only)on a Mack is over $25k and thats with a heavy discount. im sure a retrofit would be over $30k not including the labor

[dluevanos01]

It's a S13

:sadwavey: Awh poop!!!

(flame suit on)

is it worth looking into buying a 240sx now? even if its just a stock ka because its seems that its almost illegal to own one

240's WILL NEVER DIE!!!!!! jk

[Bambi]

240's WILL NEVER DIE!!!!!! jk

The majority of 240sx owners are the reason why 240sx's will all die. They're the AIDS of their own car scene. :-/

[gerardogomez0809]

Didn't want to believe the sad news. But true, just received my remewel notice with the "smog required at a STAR station"


Good news is that if you do it before Jan. 1st, you can still do it at a regular Test only spot :-)

Lucked out for 2 more years.


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[dluevanos01]

The majority of 240sx owners are the reason why 240sx's will all die. They're the AIDS of their own car scene. :-/

Eh, you have a point.

[Akito86]

Didn't want to believe the sad news. But true, just received my remewel notice with the "smog required at a STAR station"


Good news is that if you do it before Jan. 1st, you can still do it at a regular Test only spot :-)

Lucked out for 2 more years.


is this true!? if so i have 2 smogs to do this december :tardrim:

[MAD240SX]

is this true!? if so i have 2 smogs to do this december :tardrim:

It is true as long it's before Jan 1 your able to have a regular Smog Station do the test. I also have two smogs for this month of Dec.

[gerardogomez0809]

It has to be a TEST only station from what I read. So there is still hope for all the SR's , CA's and RB's out there.


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[brian310]

might have to sacrifice the in n out for the rb machine and move else where. this smog stuff is bs... we should just have to smog on title transfers cali can suck it

[mantas]

If this state wants money, why dont they impose a tax on all modded vehicles. Fuck ill pay up to 2-3k a year if i have to, to drive my car and have 500+ hp. Imagine how many people would pay up just to have the peace of mind. Cops stops you - yes officer its an rb/sr/ls here is my modded car paper work now have a nice day. Hahah. I swear these politicians have pea sized brains.

[aNtAg0n1sT]

Just received my tag renewal letter in the mail and I too need to take my S13 to a Star station . FML!!!! I have an SR so here we go LOL. Tags are up in February so I aim to smog the car before the end of this year to see if they let me do it at a regular smog test station.

[mantas]

I guess everyone needs sell their cars to someone and buy back before year end to buy another 2 years lol.

[EDacIouSX]

I guess everyone needs sell their cars to someone and buy back before year end to buy another 2 years lol.

holy shit that is a great idea lol.

[gerardogomez0809]

Sign it over to the wifey, smog it now and then w/in 2 months have her sign it back. Lol


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[skysilvias13]

If this state wants money, why dont they impose a tax on all modded vehicles. Fuck ill pay up to 2-3k a year if i have to, to drive my car and have 500+ hp. Imagine how many people would pay up just to have the peace of mind. Cops stops you - yes officer its an rb/sr/ls here is my modded car paper work now have a nice day. Hahah. I swear these politicians have pea sized brains.

I love this mentality.... Its why I wish they did do such a thing so that you may wrap your car around a pole and tell us about it here with a Part Out Thread :rofl:

[SSCACAHUATES]

I'm moving to f**king Texas!!!!!!!

[moco]

Damn I guess no more SR for me :/

[Paint209]

aww damn, i just checked my reg renewal papers. and... guess i have to swap my stock parts back on. good thing i didn't go turbo just yet!

[erikismoney]

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[LovetoSlide]

I bought my s13 sometime in October and smogged it. Am I in the clear for the next 2 years?

[VertTwins]

This right here!

Coming out of lurking because I'm annoyed with all the rumors going around about cameras.

@ OP please post links with credible information to support your claim. You first said your friend who is a tech told you about these new cameras? Then you claimed you were a tech your self? I am confused
Please show written proof of star stations requiring camera surveillance. I have read most if not all legal documents regarding AB-2289 and Star stations. I have seen nothing regarding surveillance cameras.
Do you understand the fiscal and privacy consequences on consumers and business owners? Replacing all of the BAR approved smog testing machines (BAR-97) with new high tech machines outfitted with cameras and software to scan and "see" what is going on would be a lot more talked about and debated.
When you do a search on google for information regarding cameras and AB-2289 all that comes up is links to other car forums with no evidence supporting their claims.

Until then, please do more research before you claim big brother is here to stop me from driving around with an sr20.

AB-2289 is mainly about the new OBD2 smogs. Testing will be done using the OBD2 connector and eliminating tailpipe testing. Good news for 2000 plus cars.

Anyways, do your own research next time.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_2251-2300/ab_2289_bill_20100218_introduced.pdf

Not understanding here why you quoted me??? I am not the op and no where in there did I say cameras were coming. on the contray I said they were not.

Now with that in mind. here are some links in which I posted before somewhere on this site with the star station requirments.

http://www.bar.ca.gov/80_BARResources/05_Legislative/RegulatoryActions/Order%20of%20Adoption%20-%20STAR%20Program%2010_31_2011.pdf

here is the consumer info on the new star program
http://www.bar.ca.gov/80_BARResources/03_Standards&Training/Star/pdf/STAR%20DMV%20Registration%20Renewal%20Notice.pdf

both links come from here
http://www.bar.ca.gov/

Also I stand corrected on directed vehicles. It has been reduced to only 2% randomly selected for directed status.

http://www.bar.ca.gov/80_BARResources/02_SmogCheck/TestOnly_Directed_Vehicles.html

[Akito86]

It is true as long it's before Jan 1 your able to have a regular Smog Station do the test. I also have two smogs for this month of Dec.

Alright bud thanx then my self xmass gift is going to be smoging my sc300 and s13

[Gizmo_S13]

Wooooooooop! Went to talk to my Smog guy and his shop is Star Certified. Prices for crooked Star Smogs are gonna be around $200. He didn't say anything about cameras though, but he did say that like what was posted up there.^ Depending on Make/Model that fails a lot and chosen at random. My moms 2004 Excursion is up for the Star Smog.

[Howie Felter Snatch]

Everyone needs to calm down and keep their RB/SR/CA's right where they are.. Star Smog, Test-Only Smog and Gold-Shit Smog Stations that will accept $200+ for a "Pass-All" Smog will always exist. Don't worry about it guys. Just stick to your guns. It's mid-December right now and its 71 Degree's Fahrenheit in So-Cal today, I'm going for a drive in the mountains right now. You try doing that shit right now in the Frozen-Asspit you live in. :fawk:

[Yoci]

^his right. There's always a loop hole.

[gerardogomez0809]

But in the meanwhile. I had to do it my way..... Got my 2014 tags already!!!


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[Meow636]

What a relief now I can continue dumping money into my car without worrying about losing all its sr goodness :]

[canond]

This right here!

Coming out of lurking because I'm annoyed with all the rumors going around about cameras.

@ OP please post links with credible information to support your claim. You first said your friend who is a tech told you about these new cameras? Then you claimed you were a tech your self? I am confused
Please show written proof of star stations requiring camera surveillance. I have read most if not all legal documents regarding AB-2289 and Star stations. I have seen nothing regarding surveillance cameras.
Do you understand the fiscal and privacy consequences on consumers and business owners? Replacing all of the BAR approved smog testing machines (BAR-97) with new high tech machines outfitted with cameras and software to scan and "see" what is going on would be a lot more talked about and debated.
When you do a search on google for information regarding cameras and AB-2289 all that comes up is links to other car forums with no evidence supporting their claims.

Until then, please do more research before you claim big brother is here to stop me from driving around with an sr20.

AB-2289 is mainly about the new OBD2 smogs. Testing will be done using the OBD2 connector and eliminating tailpipe testing. Good news for 2000 plus cars.

Anyways, do your own research next time.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_2251-2300/ab_2289_bill_20100218_introduced.pdf


yeAh hes right, I am a smog tech and have not heard of any cameras or anything like this at a star station.... I think op is working for bar trying to scare you guys...

[canond]

Not understanding here why you quoted me??? I am not the op and no where in there did I say cameras were coming. on the contray I said they were not.

Now with that in mind. here are some links in which I posted before somewhere on this site with the star station requirments.

http://www.bar.ca.gov/80_BARResources/05_Legislative/RegulatoryActions/Order%20of%20Adoption%20-%20STAR%20Program%2010_31_2011.pdf

here is the consumer info on the new star program
http://www.bar.ca.gov/80_BARResources/03_Standards&Training/Star/pdf/STAR%20DMV%20Registration%20Renewal%20Notice.pdf

both links come from here
Bureau of Automotive Repair, State of California, Dept. of Consumer Affairs (http://www.bar.ca.gov/)

Also I stand corrected on directed vehicles. It has been reduced to only 2% randomly selected for directed status.

Directed Vehicles (http://www.bar.ca.gov/80_BARResources/02_SmogCheck/TestOnly_Directed_Vehicles.html)

I think he quoted you because he agreed with you! lol

[aNtAg0n1sT]

I just had my S13 smogged and my DMV renewal letter specified that I needed to get it done at a STAR station but only if I waited till after Jan 1, 2013. My swapped S13 passed :) and at a regular station. Just paid for my tags online and they will be sent to me within the next 5 business days


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[Akito86]

Oh alright- so you are proven fact that if smog is do next year but its done this month there is No need to wait for star smog, sweet!

[aNtAg0n1sT]

Oh alright- so you are proven fact that if smog is do next year but its done this month there is No need to wait for star smog, sweet!

Yea it was recommended by a friend that I do it before Jan 1st even if my tags werent due till Feb. This was to not be forced to go to a Star Station under the new smog regulation goin into effect next year. I highly recommend that you all smog your car if you already have your DMV paperwork in hand before the end of December!!!!

[gerardogomez0809]

Yup all true!!! Got my CA18 registered for another 2 yrs....


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[eDmSiL80]

I'm completely new to ca and I'm about to purchase an s13 w/ v-mount & top mount sr. I really don't wanna get popped and get reffed. Is it difficult to register and smog my car in another state? Or do I risk doing it here? I've heard horror stories but it would take me a bit to do a mid mount and bottom mount. Any info would help. Thanks!

[two40z]

I'm completely new to ca and I'm about to purchase an s13 w/ v-mount & top mount sr. I really don't wanna get popped and get reffed. Is it difficult to register and smog my car in another state? Or do I risk doing it here? I've heard horror stories but it would take me a bit to do a mid mount and bottom mount. Any info would help. Thanks!

just find a crooked ass station. it'll be cheaper in the end

[iVanRoz]

Well this is bull shit.
But I have a question. For all of us guys that don't drive swaped cars (ka24E and ka24De in my case) will getting required to smog the car at a star station make it harder for it to pass? Or is it just something for cars with modified engines that slipped through? My little truck engine has always passed with flying colors I would hate for it to not do do so anymore.

[singlecamslam]

So who's going to be our Star station guinea pig? Seriously if someone does go to one please report back how it was, i'm curious to know what they will be looking for. Few more days till Jan.

[hOngsterr]

good thing i just smogged my car ;D

[VertTwins]

Guys, relax! THe star smog stations will be doing smogs the same way we always have. There is no change to the inspection procedure. The smog inspection I do on monday will be the same smog inspection I do on tuesday. The changes to the inspection procedures per the assembly bill are not connected to the new station classifications for the star program. The star program is a buisness end of it change. To allow more shops to do what gold sheild stations were doing as far as repairs and directed status.
The planned inspection changes in the assembly bill are for 2000 and newer vehicles to get out of the tail pipe tests and other functional tests. Those tests will have just visual inspections and obd2/CAN computer checks. Those changes will not be occuring yet as most shops do not have the new equipment yet. Guessing probably 2014 or 2015 for that change at the rate it is progressing.

Also note I have two 240sx's just recieved my reg notice, as usual regular smog shop (no star/test only)

[Akito86]

Just smogged the babies sc300 miata and 240^^
Vertwins is right my smog guy said there is Nothing to worry about and told me to boost my 2jz already!

[2.5T_/<ouki]

I'm locked in for 2 more years. Hopefully nothing drastic happens.

[mantas]

Yeah this state will be so broke so soon that the last thing on its mind will be star smog.

[DALAZ_68]

As far as im concerned im selling my dd s13 asap...gonna aim for g37 or maxima...

[DreamN]

^ let's make that thing auto again. Trade you my setup for yours. LOL

[DALAZ_68]

Nope, no more 240s, tapping out...and if I dont track the red car in 2013, im selling it too...

[Ray_240sx]

Ohh shittt, I am in the process of smogging the fucker RB, I will keep you all updated..wish my luck :)

[ayorenz]

I had smog done last year around this time. Needa renew my registration and the dmv said i have to get smog AGAIN. I thought smog was valued up to 2 years?

[mau5trap]

So.. test only = Star Stations???

[canond]

So.. test only = Star Stations???

nope, they have 4 different stations now


test only - test and repair = star station test only - star station test and repair.

[mau5trap]

I was suppose to take my car to a "test only" station last year but I lagged it. Can I still take it to a "test only" station or do I have to take it to a Star Station???

[iLagX]

I was suppose to take my car to a "test only" station last year but I lagged it. Can I still take it to a "test only" station or do I have to take it to a Star Station???
i just got back you will need to take it to star :/
i should of done it back in oct.
i waited it until feb

[zerodameaon]

I was suppose to take my car to a "test only" station last year but I lagged it. Can I still take it to a "test only" station or do I have to take it to a Star Station???

Take it to wherever your smog renewal notice says. DMV should be able to tell you, no sense in taking it to somewhere you are not required to.

[mau5trap]

Well here's the thing, my smog renewal notice was from last year...

[canond]

Well here's the thing, my smog renewal notice was from last year...

star station doesnt mean its harder to pass... it just means that the shop has a good standing reputation(does everything by the book). If your paper says smog only, just go to a smog only unless told otherwise(from dmv or the smog only tech).

[Phobia Gold]

F u c k ! ! me . . . finally got my s13 and haven't even registered it... smfh :bs:

[wild7driftboy]

Just registered my car star station inspection smog I'm screwedd

[SharkMan]

Yah, my roommates 22re Toyota pickup had to go to a star station the other day quite annoying. Makes me want to kick myself in the a$$ for taking apart my kouki to build the other sr. Shoulda just smogged it then instead of non oping it... fml

[wild7driftboy]

Yea idk what to do

[Gizmo_S13]

For those people hitting me up for smogs... I don't know you, what makes you think I'll help you? Lol