over fender paint/prep question

[mr_eh]

Hello - I currently have my car at a paint shop and I supplied 35mm origin over fenders for the car - they are asking me for 400$ to prep the fenders for paint as they feel they will look wavy/shitty if painted the way they are - I've never had any experience/know anyone who has had over fenders mounted so I'm a little curious how bad or if they've had issues with putting over fenders on or if they need any work etc etc.

tired and it's the final nail in a long build, spending another 400$ on top of everything else is just a kick to the nuts - I partially just want to mount and paint them as is and people can bitch at origin if they are wavy at this point...

any pics/info/experience would be appreciated

[godrifttoday]

put them on yourself, unless they will block it i could see why the price, although if they are painting the entire cost the over fenders cover a nice piece from the car, so they should'nt charge that much, although i do think 400 is a bit steep..

[mr_eh]

they are painting the whole car, the 400 is just to prep the fenders, I just didn't think they needed that much work to prep them - I'm gonna go there in person tomorrow and try to understand where they came up with the number, they are being mounted for free by a friend at the body shop

[waxball88]

400 seems a bit steep unless they fit like shit (yes they're origin, but they are fiberglass). Fiberglass is tricky to do right and have it not look different. Unless this is a show car or you're already getting a very expensive paintjob its up to you whether you can live with the consequences.
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u116/waxball88/photobucket-5631-1328388118430.jpg
These are the skirts i did while i painted my car you can see how they look different, in person they aren't *THAT* bad. But it was a cheap job and i did the majority of the work so to me i op'ted not to spend hours on them

[mr_eh]

the fitment is surprisingly fine - the front fenders were a nightmare but the rear ones fit fine - but yeah, fiberglass...

I mean the car has... upwards of 50k into it right now and the paint job is costing me 2800$ the extra 400$ is to make the over fenders look proper for paint and to eliminate them from being wavy as they are saying...

it's not a show car at all though... I've wanted the car to look more of a street driven car from start to finish... I personally don't care too much about if they are wavy or not...

but I think I'm cutting my nose off to spite my face if I don't fork over another 400$ to make them "perfect" ...

thanks for the picture that gives me some kind of idea what I'm in for... I'm still in the mindset of hey it's origin, this is how they come, deal with it...

I imagine at some point the tires are going to meet the fender and destroy them anyway so why bother :|

[godrifttoday]

50k!!!! Should of bought a gtr35

[mr_eh]

50k!!!! Should of bought a gtr35

I didn't have it all at once, I don't make that much money it's been like chiseling away at a giant rock with a toothpick for the last 4 years... I have a gt35r if that counts =V

[silviaks2nr]

Overfenders look horrible just sprayed over as they come. They are always really wavy. Definitely worth the work to block them out and get rid of the waves.

[xoxide]

$3800 for a whole car is actually pretty cheap, depending on the materials being used. Ive got over half of that just in materials to paint my car (to give you an idea, a gallon of paint/reducer was $750, and a gallon of clear/hardener/reducer was just under $800. That doesnt include primer, paper, etc etc. ).

Anyways, $400 to get fiberglass overs straight is not bad, if you havent worked with fiberglass before you wont truly understand how much work it takes to get perfect. It also takes a special kind of primer (if the shop is doing the proper job)... They definetly are not overcharging you. I would say go ahead and bite the bullet, it will be well worth it in the end.

[fliprayzin240sx]

^^^Plus the fact that they have to cut up the stock harness, reweld, seal, primer/paint it to prevent it from rusting, and then mount/smooth/paint the fenders.

[xoxide]

Yeah, if they actually do it right they have to cut the OEM fenders... But I wouldnt count on that for $400.

[tdaffern]

My origin overs are actually really good. Just had to block them out a bit. Fronts on the other hand needed some love. $400 doesn't sound to bad. I just had my doors fixed that were fucked and was charged $200, but that was through a buddy. But yes if they are not done correctly they will look wavey and shitty.

[mr_eh]

$3800 for a whole car is actually pretty cheap, depending on the materials being used. Ive got over half of that just in materials to paint my car (to give you an idea, a gallon of paint/reducer was $750, and a gallon of clear/hardener/reducer was just under $800. That doesnt include primer, paper, etc etc. ).

Anyways, $400 to get fiberglass overs straight is not bad, if you havent worked with fiberglass before you wont truly understand how much work it takes to get perfect. It also takes a special kind of primer (if the shop is doing the proper job)... They definetly are not overcharging you. I would say go ahead and bite the bullet, it will be well worth it in the end.


^^^Plus the fact that they have to cut up the stock harness, reweld, seal, primer/paint it to prevent it from rusting, and then mount/smooth/paint the fenders.

the fenders were already cut & welded, all of the body work per say up to this point and the front fenders were free of charge from a bodywork friend.. he's thrown in the towel at this point and has me at his friends shop to finish it up lol... but yeah all of the $ is going towards materials at this point
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[mr_eh]

my concern is that they do 400$ worth of prepping/smoothing and they still have waves... I'd rather just spray them as is and let it ride but they are totally convinced it'll take away from the paint job if the rear quarters are wonked out

[EDacIouSX]

my concern is that they do 400$ worth of prepping/smoothing and they still have waves... I'd rather just spray them as is and let it ride but they are totally convinced it'll take away from the paint job if the rear quarters are wonked out

sounds like you take pride and joy in your car. You should do it IMO. You don't want to sit there and look at something that isn't perfect with your/our kind of personality lol.

[g2ic02]

pay the extra money...but one consideration is the color. dark glossy paints will exagerate the waves in the paint.

[mr_eh]

sounds like you take pride and joy in your car. You should do it IMO. You don't want to sit there and look at something that isn't perfect with your/our kind of personality lol.

....it would be a disservice to champagne gold owners everywhere to not get it right! ... I'll have to sleep on it but 400$ now to not kick myself in the ass later is probably worth it - I'll see what they say when I get down there

pay the extra money...but one consideration is the color. dark glossy paints will exagerate the waves in the paint.

It's going to be repainted champagne gold.. cause we all know champagne gold is the worst color!

[hamizle]

It's going to be repainted champagne gold.. cause we all know champagne gold is the worst color![/QUOTE]

Ain't that the truth! :)

[silviaks2nr]

You must have something pretty crazy under the hood to have spent $50k on that! Hope the paint turns out nice.

[mr_eh]

You must have something pretty crazy under the hood to have spent $50k on that! Hope the paint turns out nice.

just an sr20, build thread; http://zilvia.net/f/builds-builds-only/384123-my-champagne-gold-s14-build-progress.html

[krappy]

no matter how smooth you get them they will start to wave again with temp changes... paid a pretty penny to get my rear overs blocked and that lasted one season before they started to wave again.

[mr_eh]

that's the kinda stuff I want to hear! I've seen them warp sitting in my trunk for a few hours in the sun..

[waxball88]

We're talking about molding them on too?
Worth it.

[mr_eh]

We're talking about molding them on too?
Worth it.

newp, don't want them molded. They look cleaner & better molded, I agree - But it's not what I want.

[EDacIouSX]

It's going to be repainted champagne gold.. cause we all know champagne gold is the worst color!



Ain't that the truth! :)

YUP! Worst color ever.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/475432_10150915007595970_1780445237_o.jpg
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/478581_10150915007195970_1390383068_o.jpg
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/289131_542520399009_6698910_o.jpg

wish I had better pix. haha.

[CleanAndLegit]

newp, don't want them molded. They look cleaner & better molded, I agree - But it's not what I want.

then shouldnt matter rivets gonna make little creases anyway.

[mr_eh]

YUP! Worst color ever.

wish I had better pix. haha.

I probably do at home... Kept a folder of gold 14s -_-

then shouldnt matter rivets gonna make little creases anyway.

I've considered that too... I just wish I could see their horror vision of what it looks like vs what it'll actually look like

[blueshark123]

I would recommend chargespeed overs to anyone, they fit so much better and less wavy then anything fiberglass i have owned.

But u probably didnt want 50mm wider with your setup i assume.


Look up gsracer build thread he has origin fenders and shows the real quality of the fenders and all the prep work he did to make them less wavy.

[mr_eh]

I would recommend chargespeed overs to anyone, they fit so much better and less wavy then anything fiberglass i have owned.

But u probably didnt want 50mm wider with your setup i assume.

Initially I did want and had ordered 50s but 35s came and they will work with my current wheel setup bulging them out a little =|

[blueshark123]

Honestly i would tell them to eat a dick and just do a light prep like any body part will need fuck the waves cause the rivets will show more waves anyway. If you were to mold them then yea i would recommend prepping more but that not the case.

[CleanAndLegit]

word, conclusion of thread is as follows! is it worth paying 400 or in that price range to get rid of wavy overs? YES ONLY IF your molding them on. ANSWER is NO if your just gonna rivet them on.

[mr_eh]

I like it - Seacrest out.

[xoxide]

word, conclusion of thread is as follows! is it worth paying 400 or in that price range to get rid of wavy overs? YES ONLY IF your molding them on. ANSWER is NO if your just gonna rivet them on. wrong. Moulding them in would be another day or two of work and a ton of materials . $400 for riveted on fenders is still not bad.

[CleanAndLegit]

wrong. Moulding them in would be another day or two of work and a ton of materials . $400 for riveted on fenders is still not bad.

no man you got it wrong, he said 400 to get the waves out of the overs, which is only worth it if your gonna mold them on. if your riveting them on just rivet since rivets leave creases.

[florante rea]

Just do it right, you alread spend 50k. I'm sure $400 doesn't hurt at this point building your car.

[mr_eh]

Just do it right, you alread spend 50k. I'm sure $400 doesn't hurt at this point building your car.

every dollar hurts. after taxes that's a weeks worth of take home pay... I'd like to know what lobster tastes like before I die =V

[240jake]

spray em flat black and throw em on yourself. fuck it.

[bllabong89]

I have DMax fiberglass ones on my car on my car. There is small waves if any and I just had them sanded and sprayed.
http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab210/anhill88/101_0099.jpg

http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab210/anhill88/101_0096.jpg

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I riveted them on and didn't block them down and I don't think any small waves it may have take anything away from the paint job. I'll let you judge but if its a show car...do it. If not, I would just prep them yourself if you are concerened.

I hope this helps.
Andrew

[jamg]

50k whaaaaaaaa?? in a 240, that cray

at that point, you should have a sponsor.

[mr_eh]

I have DMax fiberglass ones on my car on my car. There is small waves if any and I just had them sanded and sprayed.


I riveted them on and didn't block them down and I don't think any small waves it may have take anything away from the paint job. I'll let you judge but if its a show car...do it. If not, I would just prep them yourself if you are concerened.

I hope this helps.
Andrew

It does, I'm just gonna paint em - that doesn't look all that bad even though it's a diff company... aint no show car... 400$ will go towards the race gas tune =V

50k whaaaaaaaa?? in a 240, that cray

at that point, you should have a sponsor.

I'd settle for a cheeseburger.

[xoxide]

no man you got it wrong, he said 400 to get the waves out of the overs, which is only worth it if your gonna mold them on. if your riveting them on just rivet since rivets leave creases.
And how do you presume you mount the overs before you mould them in? You can rivet them in place and then block sand them down again.

[CleanAndLegit]

And how do you presume you mount the overs before you mould them in? You can rivet them in place and then block sand them down again.

you still don't understand.. yes if your going to mold them in yes you can do what you said, if your gonna rivet them in then there is no point.

[mr_eh]

so update;

after explaining at least 4 times that the over fenders get riveted on - they... riveted the rear valance, and the sideskirts to the front and rear... and they did it before painting..

now they want to just paint and clear over everything...

...should I let them do it or should I be stiff on the fact I didn't want the skirts and valances riveted on? I'm pretty upset that they did it but I don't think I care anymore...

is it gonna look retarded if I just let them paint the car as is? I'm probably gonna let them paint the car white too to hide some of the shotty fiberglass... I just want to drive the car... don't have time to harp on this nonsense

http://www.uploads.decalbin.com/data/IMG950608.jpg
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[xoxide]

Dont be a pushover. Riveted skirts and valences looks like shit, and if you are unhappy with it now, its going to just irritate you more over time after its painted. Get them to fix their fuckups before they paint the car.. If it was me, they would be replacing my valences and skirts, and I would be taking my car to another shop.

Ultimetly its up to you, its your car and you have to live with it... But you also put a good chunk of change into your car, and you should not take shortcuts or settle, just so you can drive your car again... Get it fixed, and do it the right way.

[mr_eh]

Dont be a pushover. Riveted skirts and valences looks like shit, and if you are unhappy with it now, its going to just irritate you more over time after its painted. Get them to fix their fuckups before they paint the car.. If it was me, they would be replacing my valences and skirts, and I would be taking my car to another shop.

Ultimetly its up to you, its your car and you have to live with it... But you also put a good chunk of change into your car, and you should not take shortcuts or settle, just so you can drive your car again... Get it fixed, and do it the right way.

=| Yeah, I am gonna have to be a stickler ab out the riveted skirts, the rear valances I don't mind so much because they wont flush in the rear with the over fender in between, cutting the over fender is the only way around it...

my biggest fear is i crack a skirt and then the clear coat has to be destroyed because they are painted over, unless they paint it i nsections, w/e i have to go and talk to them before they do anything, but yeah it's pretty lame they did that.

[xoxide]

At the very leastI would get them to drill the sideskirt rivets and fill back over the holes (if they dont replace them, which I doubt they will)... I would be pissed, so from the looks of it you're handling the situation pretty well haha.

[mr_eh]

oh, I'm pretty livid :) I just know there will be a solution...

[silviaks2nr]

yeah that looks shitty, needs to be fixed before paint, and the rockers need to be painted underneath. I would also have them trim the overs to fit with the valances and skirts.