PBM subframe riser install

[Tempo]

Problem solved see below!
:bigok:

just recently installed my PBM subframe risers, read up on the thread they provided..
http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_files/public/1236132852_2_FT3169_p1040244.jpg

In the thread it was recommended to hammer/cut the uni body where the camber arms are located, but i noticed my arms are closer than the car pictured, so i have an even shorter travel. Also if i were to hammer both sides of my uni body I'd have problems in pic2 because i have EGR lines right there :picardfp:.

I have bombarded Dan and Martin with questions and they've gladly answered them all :bigok: And they will be getting a call tomorrow lol but im just trying to gather input on this situation. If the pictures suck ill try and snap some better pics soon.

pic1
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo97/77Drifter77/1236132852_2_FT3169_p1040244_zps6ba2748e.jpg
pic2(pass side) EGR lines
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo97/77Drifter77/damn2_zpsb59cbd58.jpg
pic3(driver) uni body non cut/hammered
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo97/77Drifter77/damn1_zps41b00fa7.jpg

note: pictures taken with the car on the ground, car is s14

[thefro526]

Is this an S14?

On my S13, I have risers and PBM Generation Three RUCAS and I know they're close, but not that close.

How much negative camber are you running? Is there anyway that you could run less which would effectively make the RUCA longer and move the locking hardware further away from the area that needs to be notched?

[CamryOnBronze]

I had to hammer the thin metal seam a bit for clearance, but didn't need to do anything to the frame rails. They're really close, but not close enough to actually hit. That's an S13 though... not sure if you have an S13 or S14.

[Marcus]

only s14 has this seam. its just a seam which can be bent and smashed out of the way. have it done before you snap an arm

[Tempo]

Havent driven the car, im going hammer it in but my concern is the EGR lines on my paas side area, if i hammer that side itll smash those lines

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[1on1]

I wonder if you're the one who dropped off the subframe at PSM last week... Any who, they are currently at Irwindale for Formula D and won't be back in the office until Monday. If you want, I can talk to them tomorrow when I'm at Formula D.

[Bushido]

i did my subframe risers last week on my s13, didnt have to bang anything or mess with the ebrake cables at all...

[pacotaco345]

i did my subframe risers last week on my s13, didnt have to bang anything or mess with the ebrake cables at all...

x2 when I did mine all I did was re align my car. My rucas are just megans but they're no where near to hitting

[Tempo]

I wonder if you're the one who dropped off the subframe at PSM last week... Any who, they are currently at Irwindale for Formula D and won't be back in the office until Monday. If you want, I can talk to them tomorrow when I'm at Formula D.


Yeah dude if you dont mind ^^ , yeah i dropped off my subframe last week were you over at the shop i think i introduced myself lol. I was calling today and no answer from them but i just remembered after what you said they mentioned they wouldnt be there friday because of FD lol. We'll see on monday or whenever you see them before :bigok:

Thinking this problem is mainly focused on usdm s14 from 96 and up for obd2 , friend of mind doesnt have his canister lines in the back in front for his 95 obd1
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[1on1]

Yup, I'm there almost everyday for rc drifting and I'll ask them tomorrow when I'm at Formula D. EGR issue would only be for 96+ since 95v are OBD1 (I use the gas canister bolts on the passenger side for my battery tray).

[Nostalgic Hiro]

Yeah dude if you dont mind ^^ , yeah i dropped off my subframe last week were you over at the shop i think i introduced myself lol. I was calling today and no answer from them but i just remembered after what you said they mentioned they wouldnt be there friday because of FD lol. We'll see on monday or whenever you see them before :bigok:

Thinking this problem is mainly focused on usdm s14 from 96 and up for obd2 , friend of mind doesnt have his canister lines in the back in front for his 95 obd1
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Just cut that area out. I know yet going for that stanced look. You should really raise your car up though bro. Especially because I know where you drift & it would benefit you in the end... But it's your car & at the end of the day you can o whatev you want dude....

[Tempo]

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pics below are with the car raised on jacks**
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo97/77Drifter77/IMAG1206_zpsc31db4d2.jpg
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http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo97/77Drifter77/IMAG1207_zpse188fb17.jpg

Is this an S14?

On my S13, I have risers and PBM Generation Three RUCAS and I know they're close, but not that close.

How much negative camber are you running? Is there anyway that you could run less which would effectively make the RUCA longer and move the locking hardware further away from the area that needs to be notched?

Not much as before, less camber now since the risers.




I had to hammer the thin metal seam a bit for clearance, but didn't need to do anything to the frame rails. They're really close, but not close enough to actually hit. That's an S13 though... not sure if you have an S13 or S14.

Those egr lines will most likely be shifted over if i can do it after i get off work.




only s14 has this seam. its just a seam which can be bent and smashed out of the way. have it done before you snap an arm

Yeah def a bad idea to drive it right now, better to wait and fix it now then to get more issues because of this small prob.




i did my subframe risers last week on my s13, didnt have to bang anything or mess with the ebrake cables at all...


i had to hammer my e break brackets but the pass side was semi in between the chassis and subframe tightly. Tested out the ebrake moving the car forward and back within my garage and still works but i gotta see if itll lock up once i address this issue.




x2 when I did mine all I did was re align my car. My rucas are just megans but they're no where near to hitting

How low do you have your car though ? Really dont want to raise mine up currently.




Just cut that area out. I know yet going for that stanced look. You should really raise your car up though bro. Especially because I know where you drift & it would benefit you in the end... But it's your car & at the end of the day you can o whatev you want dude....

Ill see by or before monday luke.

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[pacotaco345]

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How low do you have your car though ? Really dont want to raise mine up currently.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/72D2DFCF-DAD1-409D-B5C6-4CCE08139014-4954-000004A5D88B67A3.jpg

hahahahaha ya.. kinda low

[Tempo]

hahahahaha ya.. kinda low

You're about a half inch lower than me looking at that pic. Hmmm

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[terrence]

You're about a half inch lower than me looking at that pic. Hmmm

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I got/had the same problem as you. Right now I'm swapping the sub-frames between shells but I took a sawzall to that edge till it was flush. The ruca would still hit the frame (megan ruca), but I was pretty low. I think on this new shell I am going to grind it down and notch the frame for more clearance since I plan on being a little lower this time.

My biggest issue was the brake cables, they would always rub my drive shaft. I had to bang out a dent to clamp them into, I'd like to do something different this time but not sure yet.


Here is how the old car sat for reference:

http://ofthefortress.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/2-18-2012.jpg?w=1024

[Tempo]

$101

Damn dude thats crazy i just saw your car catch fire in a video on tumblr , sorry for the loss dude, i really hope martin dan or nate can solve my prob on monday. If you dont mind me asking , what caused the fire ?

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[Nostalgic Hiro]

I got/had the same problem as you. Right now I'm swapping the sub-frames between shells but I took a sawzall to that edge till it was flush. The ruca would still hit the frame (megan ruca), but I was pretty low. I think on this new shell I am going to grind it down and notch the frame for more clearance since I plan on being a little lower this time.

My biggest issue was the brake cables, they would always rub my drive shaft. I had to bang out a dent to clamp them into, I'd like to do something different this time but not sure yet.


Here is how the old car sat for reference:

http://ofthefortress.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/2-18-2012.jpg?w=1024

Dude, saw the video!!! Sorry about the loss. Your car is awesome. What caused the fire though. Your S14 is inspiring my S-chassis build

[terrence]

Thanks; consensus was a fuel leak.

Going to be swapping sub-frames tomorrow, I'll take some pictures if you want?

[JonathanPrem]

^ yes please and im really sorry about your car man. Good luck on your new build

[Tempo]

Thanks; consensus was a fuel leak.

Going to be swapping sub-frames tomorrow, I'll take some pictures if you want?

That would be cool, post em here when you get the chance ^^

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[DC Dan MAX USA]

reroute using flexible lines away from that area towards the center of the car.

its best to hammer on that sheet metal before the sub frame goes in however it can be cut with an air saw after the parts are in the car as well.

[derek king]

If anyone has any of these risers for sale let me know.. Been trying to get some for a while now.

[DC Dan MAX USA]

they are in stock

[terrence]

reroute using flexible lines away from that area towards the center of the car.

its best to hammer on that sheet metal before the sub frame goes in however it can be cut with an air saw after the parts are in the car as well.

If you use subframe risers and have a drive shaft with larger than stock yokes then there is no where to put the brake cables that they won't get chewed up. With stock, yea bang the tabs down and you're good; but a one piece driveshaft will be all up in it.

[derek king]

they are in stock
Oh cool. Order placed.

[Bushido]

Dan is it normal to not have to bang in anything or mess with the ebrake cables on s13?

[GL Chrillz]

I didn't have to do anything on my s13 except i moved the ebrake cables and i had to notch out a little piece because the riser wouldnt slide all the way down in one slot. no hammering though

[Xyle]

Can you show pictures on how you bent the e brake bracket? I have a 95 s14 with z32 rear caliper setup.

[Tempo]

Problem solved.
:bigok:
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pics below are with the car raised on jacks**
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo97/77Drifter77/IMAG1206_zpsc31db4d2.jpg
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http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo97/77Drifter77/IMAG1207_zpse188fb17.jpg



Took my car over to PSM and Martin checked out the seam and fixed my dilemma by notching the seam, rerouting the EGR soft line under the camber arm and cut the hardline so that i could put in the soft line i later bought at car quest(use fuel rated line).

sidenote: drove to PBM with the rear end a little bit higher than usual, still would not recommend driving if you have the same issue, i took the risk to have to problem fixed.:bow:

time for pics of how the seam looks now, and where the hoses are.

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pass side
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo97/77Drifter77/IMAG1224_zps931fd2db.jpg
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driver side
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo97/77Drifter77/IMAG1222_zps5de8b7a4.jpg

much thanks to parts shop max!

[1on1]

this is good to hear!

[Kaifd3s]

Sorry to bring this back up from the dead, but have you had any problems of the arms hitting the frame since PBM cut the notches?

I have a kouki (OBD2) and have the same problem with the risers. Im kinda scared to drive the car.

[Standard]

bump it up for you to get an answer Kaifd3s

had no problems on my s13 with pbm risers and gen 1 camber, toe, and traction arms, just bent the bracket for the e-brake cables

[Tempo]

No problems at all since Martin cut the notches out, daily driving and all and occasional drifting have been great. :)