s13 coil overs

[gotrice240sx]

who makes coil overs for the 91-94, because i already have agx shocks and just wnat the adjustable coils

[the240sxer95]

ground control

[DRFT]

drop zone coil overs

[gotrice240sx]

ground control
i heard they only can drop to 2inchs and my sportlines are suppose to drop around there tooo, are drop zone any good cuz i hear ppl dissing on them?

[KSee777]

I thought groud controls are the better ones??? Stay away from Aerospeed. I believe Drop Zone is the same quality as Aerospeed. Well, anyways, I personally suggest to stay away from any type of coilover sleeves. The ride and handling sucks with those things.

[gotrice240sx]

i hate the wheel gap i dont want to spen 1k on some coil overs cuz i already have my agx with sport lines but sill looks like a truck

[Projekt_Sil80]

most cheap coilovers won't go that low, best bet is to cut the sportline's 1/2 a coil or something

[KSee777]

NO!!! No cutting!!! or heating either... do it right or don't do it at all

[nightwalker]

drop zone= :faint:

[DRFT]

you shut up if you knew whats good for ya

[nightwalker]

ok like ed said. Buy drop zone. hehe :goyou:

[s14xman]

go on ebay, you can find tons of high quality coilover sleve kits, haha but seriously ebay has them. IMO and past experiences you get what you pay for.

[DRFT]

yea good quality, it makes you bounce all over the freeway, you pumpkin pie hair cutted freak

[gotrice240sx]

ok so how about this, who make coil overs for the s13 that will work with my agx shocks?

[KSee777]

none really... they all "work", but if you care about performance or ride comfort, then none.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Don't go ghetto. Cough up the dough for some real coilovers. Please.

[Var]

none really... they all "work", but if you care about performance or ride comfort, then none.


please stop posting cause you dont know what the hell you're talking about. you made 3 ignorant comments based upon hearsay from ignorant people.



gotrice240sx: First of all, if you're looking just to lower your car, then i wouldnt suggest spending 400 bucks plus installation on ground controls..

Ground control are one of the most versatile sleeved coilover kits available. A lot of people run them on the racetracks with success, but you have to really know your shit to match them up with your car, driving style and type of shocks. they even build you custom shocks...bla bla bla. Anyways back to the point.

Most people will say that they only lower your car so much(2inches i guess)..Well that's true. The people that work at GC are fairly competant and they dont want to go any lower cause nissans dont have the greatest shock travel, and most people use AGX shocks with them(like me). So if you REALLY wanted to go lower, all you have to do is tell them to send you shorter springs. But i'm sure you already knew your AGX shocks wont handle them that low. If you want them for performance and you know about suspension, you can get springs in any height and stiffness. If you change your mind, you can buy a new pair for 120 bucks in different height and stiffness. Also very important is the installation. Make sure you give it to someone who has done it before.

[drift freaq]

I thought groud controls are the better ones??? Stay away from Aerospeed. I believe Drop Zone is the same quality as Aerospeed. Well, anyways, I personally suggest to stay away from any type of coilover sleeves. The ride and handling sucks with those things.

well in the case of the above mentioned brands you are correct. In the case of Ground Controls their handling and ride is actually pretty damn nice. Lots of SER drivers swear up and down a tree by them including Mike Kojima. As far as 240's go there are several S14 owners that have track cars running them. There are some forum members running them on their s13's as well. If you like your agx's then Ground Controls is a excellent way to go because they give you ride height adjustability and the springs are eibach ERS springs which are availible in 25lb increments so you can fine tune your springs to the AGX's. $350 and some elbow grease and you will have a excellent bang for the buck suspension ask Yoshi he runs them.

[nightwalker]

just buy the Ground Controls! Then go drifting! or Touge, whatever floats your boat. Then realize how much they suck on a 240, and then spend 200 on a set of springs that work better. Ground Control, or any kind of Can-Over + S-chassis = :nono:

[Var]

or you can do it the other way around. Buy a set of springs for 200 dollars, realize how much they suck, then go by a set of Ground Controls that work better. If you haven't tried Ground Controls, you shouldnt post. If you have and you still dont like them, then i guess i can respect your opinion. And for you to talk down on GC, it makes me think that you think springs do more than they actually do.

[KSee777]

please stop posting cause you dont know what the hell you're talking about. you made 3 ignorant comments based upon hearsay from ignorant people.


Damn dude... don't get your panties in a bunch. I was comparing things in genral. what I meant was nothing can compare to the real coil-overs which is made for such a drop. But anyways... as for just coil-over sleeves, yes, Ground Control is the better of the three. I believe they use Eibach progresive springs for their coil-overs.

just stay away from ebay-type coil-over sleeves

[Var]

. I believe they use Eibach progresive springs for their coil-overs.


actually they use eibach linear racing springs

[nightwalker]

actually both of you are wrong, and right in a sense. Ground Control is a good product, why? because they use eibach springs. All it is, is a can w/threads, using eibach spring...hmmmm... For all the other cars, the Ground Controls work good. For the 240s, (strut front suspension, short stroke shock) GC and all other can overs suck. The Ground Control setup for the 240 gives you about a half an inch adjustment? haha.

[Chernobyl]

You can't lower the front of an s-chassis car much due to the already short shock travel available in the stock-type front struts. S13s lowered on typical lowering springs only have 1" of crompression travel. This is what holds you back from going any lower.

There are a few ways to go low on these cars...
1) get double-height adjustable coilover that will allow you to drop the damper while lowering the car. (best way to do this-$$$ though)
2) build/buy some short-stroke dampers and run the GC sleeves. (also $$)
3) I know another but its top secret! Won't tell until I try it out and make sure it works well.

[gotrice240sx]

so what should i be looking for in spring rate cuz i want it to handel good cuz right now it hangs ok, but still feels like my car sets to high feels top heavy, arent the sport lines i have right now lower it around 2" so if i got the ground control it would only let me drop it 2" so that wont help. what is GC sleeves?

[Var]

actually both of you are wrong, and right in a sense. Ground Control is a good product, why? because they use eibach springs. All it is, is a can w/threads, using eibach spring...hmmmm... For all the other cars, the Ground Controls work good. For the 240s, (strut front suspension, short stroke shock) GC and all other can overs suck. The Ground Control setup for the 240 gives you about a half an inch adjustment? haha.


? I dont get it. No it doesnt only give you a half inch of adjustment. And no you dont have to lower it to the point where your car is bottoming out. What's the complaint? You dont like having custom spring rates..maybe that's your problem.

[Projekt_Sil80]

so what should i be looking for in spring rate cuz i want it to handel good cuz right now it hangs ok, but still feels like my car sets to high feels top heavy, arent the sport lines i have right now lower it around 2" so if i got the ground control it would only let me drop it 2" so that wont help. what is GC sleeves?

GC sleeves are Ground Control coilover sleeves. IMO since you already have sportlines on agx's I would just save up and get some real coilover struts like Tein's or something

[Nismo240SX]

i have the drop zone springs, they feel just like tein s-techs... i love em' too.

[Yoshi]

Wow.
There's A LOT of misinformation in this thread. Good Lord.
Okay. Since I RUN GC's, let me lay down some facts:
- No they're not progressive springs, and yes you can get them in whatever poundage you'd like, I ordered mine custom that way.
- 1/2" of adjustment? wtf is that? where did this number come from? I can go from about an inch below stock at the highest, to having my chassis resting on the ground (on AGX's if bumpstops are removed) This is FACT. I did it just to see if I could.
- Drop Zone, Toucan, Low Boyz, etc are all cheaper brands that might be fine for street, but I wouldn't trust IMHO. They DO NOT compare to GC. In fact, this is how sleeve-type coilovers have gotten a bad rep.
- if you plan to drop your car super low, standard AGX are not for you, you'll need a short stroke damper, which KYB makes as well, but if you have AGX already, either don't drop the car too low or go with a full coilover setup.

Ground Controls are a great alternative to a full coil setup, they're also much more easily servicable (ie, u can strip down all parts yourself and if the damper has finished it's lifespan, u can toss it for another AGX/KYB SS, they're as cheap as having your full coils rebuilt). They might not be the bling, all in one package, and I'm the first to admit that they require some elbow grease to assemble, but for those looking for full coil performance for a few hundred less, it's a great alternative. BUT, I said "alternative", as in, they're not for everyone.

Individual people have individual needs from their car.
I know that mine will see much more street time than track time, but I still want to able to drag/autoX/drift on occasion. My AGX/GC setup gives me that flexibility for a relatively little expense... expense being my kidneys, my wallet, and my wife's willingness to ride in my stiffly suspended car ;)

coils for some, sleeves for some, stock for others. It all depends on your own personal application, there's no black or white here.

[drift freaq]

man at last, besides westborough and I ,someone speaks up with the facts. guys if you really do not know Ground Controls stop spouting what your friends tell you based on hearsay. I said it earlier and I will say it again. I know several autocross winning S14's and a S14 RB powered track car that are amazing and they all are on Ground Controls.
SER NASA drivers win competitions time after time running Ground Controls. Don't go telling me you can't drift or auto X with Ground Controls and that they will suck nightwalker!! Just by the way you speak I know you have never run them.
People this comes down to a bias quite often a bias based on no knowledge. Most of the detractors of Ground Control I know off have never actually ran them. They just don't like the idea of putting the setup together themselves and want someone to hand them something they can just put on.
Fact is there are some many collar spring setups in Japan that a lot of drifters run collar spring setups on thier cars over there. Also several of the Japanese coilover setups are actually KYB Short strokes with collars and springs. i.e. cusco, nismo etc... doubt me? go investigate yourself

[Var]

thank you yoshi and drift freak. And what's funny is when people say "real coilovers" they dont understand what the hell they are talking about. I guess it has to be japanese to be real :goyou:

[KSee777]

actually they use eibach linear racing springs

mybad, I think you are able to get progressive springs?

[gotrice240sx]

so u can get custom springs when u order GC? when i looked them up it said it drops up too 2", so does anyone have a pic of there car with GC on ?

[Var]

like i said man you can get the car as low as you want. you can get it so low that your shocks wont work. what do you need a picture for? if all you care about is fender gap then just cut your springs.

[Yoshi]

so u can get custom springs when u order GC? when i looked them up it said it drops up too 2", so does anyone have a pic of there car with GC on ?

Jeebus.
Didn't I already answer this?!

[Nismo240SX]

its been said that Drop Zone is made by Eibach, i don't know if this rumor is true, but eibach's color and Drop zones are exactly the same.

[WongFeiHung]

Can you use other springs with these sleeves? Or do they have to be an exact diameter or something?

[Var]

they have to be the same diameter. if you go to their website you can see the sizes. if you are thinking of using your standard diameter lowering springs, the wont work in the front. I think they are the same in the rear but i'm not 100% sure. You'd have to put a lot of preload on the springs or else they will be sitting higher than a monster truck. The GC springs come only about 6 inches tall and there is no pre-load on them so you can lift the car up and adjust the ride height easily. And obviously you wouldnt need a springs compressor to swap different GC springs. It makes life easier.

[Yoshi]

its been said that Drop Zone is made by Eibach, i don't know if this rumor is true, but eibach's color and Drop zones are exactly the same.

I would guess that they're the same color so they can LOOK like eibach springs. Even GC's have the Eibach emblem on them, along with their spring rating, etc. I'm sure they'd say Eibach on the box they came in somewhere if they were.... think about it.

From a marketting standpoint, it'd be dumb NOT to advertise that you use eibach springs in your sleeve kits, so unless they have some odd deal with eibach (maybe they buy the eibach springs that don't pass quality inspection for example?) I think they're just made to look like quality stuff.