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Teleport Massive
08-18-2012, 05:26 PM
Please feel free to add anything you feel is missing. Please correct me on any flawed or outright false statements I make throughout this article. I am no expert…
Over the past couple of years I’ve read and read many times from people on forums, ranging from the OG’s and the experienced, to the noobs and one post wonders:

you get what you pay for.
eBay is junk.
Buy name brand parts
Don’t put your life at risk just to save a few bucks
It’s a 50/50 with that ish

It begins to sound like a broken record. Almost cliché… and we wonder why nobody listens. Cause nobody explains WHY.
That’s why I decided to post this. To go into depth and clarify everything as best as I can. So here goes nothing.

So you’ve bought or are wondering if ‘brand X, eBay, knockoff, china stuff’ is any good. Well first of all, the price should tell you something. If the shiny part you want to buy is considerably less than other JDM and USA made parts, it would make sense that the QUALITY CONTROL, research and development, raw materials used, and skilled/experienced/educated personnel making the parts is definitely lacking. Many of the brand name guys that sell the parts that make some of us cringe when we see the retail price tag genuinely care about safety, fitment, longevity and performance. They use what they sell, and it WORKS. Period.

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Now you may say or hear one of these:
But I have ‘brand x’ and it works fine
My buddy has been using ‘brand x part x’ for 3 years w/ no problems
OMG ‘BRAND X’ IS THE TYTE !!!11
I’ve read many positive reviews so it must be good
I can’t afford baller stuff, I’m broke
It’s understandable that you don’t make very much and others have had success. There are tons of cheap parts that you can buy that aren’t as mission critical as others. I will discuss this part later. But being impatient and not buying top shelf stuff can hurt you in the pocket BIG TIME later down the road or even immediately…. (this will be explained later)
The eBay and knockoff (even certain reputable companies in Japan) parts come from a number of factories in China, Taiwan, and Korea. I’m not totally clear on what other processes they use but from what I’ve heard is most of these trading companies will buy reputable parts and create molds from them.*
Here’s some proof, I believe these are camshafts from the trading company Skunk2 outsources to:
http://www.k20a.org/upload/camshaft_021.jpg
http://www.k20a.org/upload/camshaft_022.jpg
http://www.k20a.org/upload/camshaft_040.jpg
http://www.k20a.org/upload/camshaft_025.jpg

And the locations of the factories that pump out the countless number of knockoffs

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7004/6802081503_3f66678f92_o.jpg

*What can be said for a fact is these parts are made as quickly and as cheaply as possible so the product is only ‘passable’ in terms of overall performance. Then a fresh coat of powdercoating is applied, possibly hiding any or all surface defects or shoddy welds.

Please refer to this thread, 84 posts of good stuff about where some of these parts are coming from. Yeah it’s an Acura forum, but the info applies to us still.
G4 Racing coilovers - Club RSX Message Board (http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=559012)

How to start your own trading company and sell rebadged china stuff
LOL Skunk2(Junk2) fail!! - Page 6 - Club RSX Message Board (http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=809329&page=6)


Now, I’m not bashing these factories 100%. An *acceptable* product can be had from these blow-and-go places, but it depends only on how much the contracted company wants to pay for certain ‘levels’ per-se of build and fitment quality. Some companies pay a little extra to satisfy and grow their customer base, which is fine in some instances. But for parts that see high loads of force, stress, g-forces… you’re still flirting with trouble.
Also precision pieces like turbos that spin at 250,000 RPM. Think about it, do you want some clueless punch-the-clock guy with a bucket of molten steel to build something like that for you? Or a group of brilliant, respected engineers with high dollar robotics?

Take into consideration what entails the purchase.
Are you willing to deal with possible FITMENT issues?
Are you prepared to don your car with UGLY parts or ones that will get ugly with use?
Are you willing to spend money on a piece that may not PERFORM as promised?
Is the possibility of a dramatically shorter LIFESPAN of said piece important to you?
Is the possibility of lesser STRENGTH due to inferior raw MATERIALS and hardware of concern to you?

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-Suspension arms
-Coilovers
-Turbochargers
-Engine internals
-Fuel components
These are some of the most critical components on your vehicle. I would strongly advise to buy name brand, tried, tested, tracked parts for all of the above. It could mean the difference between death of vehicle/engine/lives/finances and a happy car, owner and wallet.

Now I’m sure you’ve been waiting for this part or you might’ve skimmed over my gift of common sense to justify the price tag that hovers on the tab next to this page. If you must, there are plenty of things you can pay less for, but it’s up to you whether you want to deal of the annoyances that can some from buying any of these fakes… e.g. boost and exhaust leaks, underperformers, ugly and aesthetically unappealing, yadda yadda yadda. Buying these and having it fail or not meet expectations isn’t the end of the world but boy does it suck when they do. I know this from experience. Onwards
-chassis braces
-intercooler cores and plumbing
-exhaust manifolds, outlets, downpipes, testpipes
-intake manifolds, plumbing
-wheels (please, feel free to burn me at the stake for this)
-overflow tanks and catch cans

There are probably others but I’m getting sick writing this. Again, it’s up to only you if you want to learn the hard way and pay twice. Or you can be saavy-smart and support members of your community and buy that second-hand set of Weds Kranze Cerberus and look like a boss tycoon because you got a steal on the price. Plus the fact that you bought quality brings more self respect and praise from your peers for doing so.

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WHY YOU SHOULD NOT BUY CHEAP SUSPENSION ARMS.
I am no genius by any means, but a few observations of physics should answer this...
During drifting, hard cornering, acceleration and deceleration and braking there are tremendous forces acting upon your vehicle. You are enclosed in a ~2700ish lb car and all the hundreds of pounds of steel are being thrown around, twisted, compressed, bent, and stretched. Most notably the majority of those forces transfer through the suspension. I cant show you any math behind this because I am a caveman, but you can only imagine the amount of stress and force you place on your 240 when you dump the clutch or carve up a track at full steering lock.

Take my cool story and apply it now to a cheapo RUCA. Although these arms have gotten thicker over time, the design is still poor. I am not entirely sure what material is used in the tubing and brackets but my guess is its probably 304 stainless steel tubing. My guess is as good as yours. I have no knowledge of the welds. The big one here is the rod ends on these. These are wimpy little guys, and the fact that they are not self lubricating is a big no-no. Poopoo heim joints like these will wear quicker over time and could quite possibly seize up... Cheap heims, which is not *IF*, its *WHEN* they seize up will more than likely result in some part of the arm breaking completely.
China vs quality rod ends
http://zilvia.net/f/chat/253988-dont-buy-ebay-arms-7.html#post3367165

FLIMSY! China arm vs Powered By Max unit
http://zilvia.net/f/chat/253988-dont-buy-ebay-arms.html

If your cheap arm breaks you may live through it, or you may not because it surprised you mid drift or while on the freeway. Your call.

WHY YOU SHOULD NOT BUY CHEAP TURBOCHARGERS.
I’ll be real brief on this one. Turbochargers are precision units built by engineers with years of experience. There is TONS of math, physics, thermodynamics, aerodynamics, and other mumbo jumbo involved with these that I’m sure the Korean guy operating the casting machine knows nothing about. Most importantly, any reputable turbocharger company will have the compressor, turbine, and shaft balanced. This is to prevent the bearings in the turbo prematurely wearing out resulting in shaft play. These turbos are engineered so that if it somehow fails (usually spinning too fast) the internals stay inside the housing instead of being ingested inside your freshly built KA-T. Chinachargers are not built for this. See link below.
Holset Turbocharger Videos (http://www.myholsetturbo.com/video.html)

If anyone can elaborate more on why Part X should not be cheaped out on like I did above, please do so! I’m done typing for right now.
Thank you for reading! Long live the innovative and passionate companies that continue to make the good stuff!

GripTerror
08-18-2012, 05:29 PM
Great thread, now where are the angry mobs of zilvians to bash you :)

fliprayzin240sx
08-18-2012, 05:42 PM
^^^The thing is, I could have sworn we had a thread just like this a few months ago. Guy was talking shit about Skunk2 and Skunk2 put a "bounty" on his info so they can sue him for defamation...

On top of that, we must have had like like 6-10 different threads talking about the whole knock off shit. If people wanna buy it, let them. They'll do what ever they wanna do with their money. No fucks given here...

All the info in here looks like the same regurgitated shit as before...

240sxfan6882
08-18-2012, 05:42 PM
Very good info and yes, i do agree with you. Some stuff like exhaust flanges and so I would buy from ebay. Some of those flanges are even made with British 1018 steel so its all good. But a critical part such as a turbo, suspension, fuel and the like I would steer far far away from.

zooopreme
08-18-2012, 05:47 PM
Great thread, now where are the angry mobs of zilvians to bash you :)

You're even more stupid than in the other thread.

If anything this thread supports why people like you & other cheap members get flamed for supporting and buying cheap shit.

AeroDesigns
08-18-2012, 05:51 PM
Lol china factories do not look like that. Thats some third world country production right there.

vehicle336
08-18-2012, 05:53 PM
Ibtl. Msglength.

KoukiMonsta
08-18-2012, 06:14 PM
No fucks given here....

great first post...

roboticnissan
08-18-2012, 06:34 PM
Yeah this thread is a fat waste. All though it seems like you took your time writing it. And im sure youre trying to be helpful.

Teleport Massive
08-18-2012, 06:47 PM
^^^The thing is, I could have sworn we had a thread just like this a few months ago. Guy was talking shit about Skunk2 and Skunk2 put a "bounty" on his info so they can sue him for defamation...

On top of that, we must have had like like 6-10 different threads talking about the whole knock off shit. If people wanna buy it, let them. They'll do what ever they wanna do with their money. No fucks given here...

All the info in here looks like the same regurgitated shit as before...

I had wondered about this before i posted. Oh well, if i helped anyone, then cool.

DrtyRat
08-18-2012, 07:04 PM
I had wondered about this before i posted. Oh well, if i helped anyone, then cool.

Sad to say, but it won't help anyone. The people that buy knockoff/china/ebay or whatever term you want to use, will not be swayed because you posted the same stuff that has been said countless times over the years. Some will only learn if and when their parts fail-but dont be so sure they will.

thefro526
08-18-2012, 07:27 PM
Lol china factories do not look like that. Thats some third world country production right there.

Some do, some don't.

I've seen some extremely sketchy factories over there through my job... Places that are dirty, unkempt, and just plain scary... Like letting Acid Vats over flow and run down a hill into a makeshift holding pond scary.

In any case, interesting thread.

slideslidegnarslide
08-18-2012, 07:57 PM
I worked in a photonics lab for a company named trumpf. (photonics =laser) The mirrors we used came from multiple vendors, one of which was located in china. Our engineers went to visit the manufacturing facility because there was a problem with the mirrors having residue. We found that the employees were going next store to a fuel station and dumping the mirrors in a bucket of gasoline to clean off the buffing wax. Do not under estimate how shotty Chinese factories are. Trust me, they are no better than anywhere else

Shadowninja
08-19-2012, 03:24 AM
Really I believe it all matters what your doing wit your car if your an difter, track racer, or even street racer common sense would tell normal people buy top line stuff but it shouldn't really matter want you buy if your an causal driver try to get from a to b doing the speed limited

SomeoneWhoIsntMe
08-19-2012, 09:03 AM
Even if the failure rate of a chinese part is 50%, it'll still work for half of people on the first try, right?

Most people don't give a shit about how bad these parts are, if it might work, people will still buy it based solely on the fact that chinese junk costs a sixth of what you'd pay for whatever legitimate part it's a replica of. Kids today are looking for instant gratification, they want their car to look like what they saw on Hellaflush et al. and they don't want to have to save up all year to do it. D1 coils and XXR wheels will get you the look at a fraction of the cost, and that's all anyone cares about anymore.

Remember, as consumers, we have a certain level of responsibility... we provide the profit motive for these dickheads to produce knockoff parts. If you don't agree with the business ethics and practices of the companies producing fake parts, you have the power to spend your money elsewhere. Next time you want to do something to your car, remember, wheels and coilovers and suspension arms and turbochargers and exhausts and so on and so forth are not a basic need, so price point should not be your sole criteria for choosing which product to buy. You're purchasing a luxury, and you'll still live if you can only afford to buy coilovers this month, instead of doing a full build for the same price. Take pride in the parts that you're purchasing, and give your money to the guys that deserve it, the guys that are putting their time, effort, and money into coming up with these parts in the first place. If we spend our money there, perhaps we'll see more new and exciting parts come out, instead of seeing more and more replicas being brought to market.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did Speed Star (SSR) not go bankrupt a few years back, citing replica wheels as a major reason for their loss of profit? I believe ARC and Trust have also had financial trouble. Keep buying fake parts, and the legitimate companies can and will go under. Where the fuck will we wind up as a community if we keep letting this happen? Take it from me, if we didn't have some solid companies (Fortune Auto and Battle Version, in my case) based in the good old US-of-A, making parts in-house, designing their own shit so they know what they're talking about, and answering their emails in english, finishing the suspension on my Cressida would have been pretty fucking difficult, since ISIS hasn't copied S14-knuckes-on-MX83 coilovers and suspension arms yet.

imotion s14
08-19-2012, 10:01 AM
Sad to say, but it won't help anyone. The people that buy knockoff/china/ebay or whatever term you want to use, will not be swayed because you posted the same stuff that has been said countless times over the years. Some will only learn if and when their parts fail-but dont be so sure they will.

and hopefully when it fails; they're the only ones that die and not some innocent family just going about their business when a POS eBay sponsored 240's suspension snaps and sends them into opposite lane of traffic.

and people wonder why there aren't new s-chassis parts... thanks to the Zilvia underclass bottom feeders.

Besides... who wants parts by a company named Megan?

http://www.newlaunches.com/entry_images/0310/26/real-life-meg.jpg

:hahano:

KiLLeR2001
08-19-2012, 10:10 AM
Weather the storm boys, once the Honda bandwagoners move onto another chassis, things will slowly start returning to normal.

lude4life13
08-19-2012, 01:52 PM
Thanks for the thread. I guess its about time I replace the no name RUCA that came on my car..

DJDANGER24
08-19-2012, 02:04 PM
Kids today are looking for instant gratification, they want their car to look like what they saw on Hellaflush et al. and they don't want to have to save up all year to do it. D1 coils and XXR wheels will get you the look at a fraction of the cost, and that's all anyone cares about anymore.

This right here, instant gratification...

FaLKoN240
08-19-2012, 02:28 PM
Weather the storm boys, once the Honda bandwagoners move onto another chassis, things will slowly start returning to normal.

I pray for this everyday.

I want to be able to find a decently modded s chassis that isn't completely stripped of all it's saving qualities..

memphis180sx
08-19-2012, 02:42 PM
This is the whole reason i sold every s chassis bit i had beacuse of the people that are comeing over from other cars makeing the s chasisis community look bad but like killer said they will move on one day and find something else.

tricky_ab
08-19-2012, 03:00 PM
Remember, as consumers, we have a certain level of responsibility... we provide the profit motive for these dickheads to produce knockoff parts. If you don't agree with the business ethics and practices of the companies producing fake parts, you have the power to spend your money elsewhere. Next time you want to do something to your car, remember, wheels and coilovers and suspension arms and turbochargers and exhausts and so on and so forth are not a basic need, so price point should not be your sole criteria for choosing which product to buy. You're purchasing a luxury, and you'll still live if you can only afford to buy coilovers this month, instead of doing a full build for the same price. Take pride in the parts that you're purchasing, and give your money to the guys that deserve it, the guys that are putting their time, effort, and money into coming up with these parts in the first place. If we spend our money there, perhaps we'll see more new and exciting parts come out, instead of seeing more and more replicas being brought to market.


Funny you mentioned this...

Things must be great over at Megan as they have sponsored cars in two Japanese drift series and now have full page color ads in Drift Tengoku magazine. Hell last month I believe they paid enough to have the rear cover of the magazine.

D2 is pushing hard as well. Sponsored cars in a few racing circuits, full coloured ads in GTR magazine, Option/Option2...


Weather the storm boys, once the Honda bandwagoners move onto another chassis, things will slowly start returning to normal.

That day can't come soon enough...

BongateerZ32
08-19-2012, 03:16 PM
Lol... Honda crowd will move on? U guys make it seem like a swarm of big wing, fart can having locusts.

Truth is though that these "honda people" made the 240 scene. Before them, this forum and 240sxforums and i think 240sx.org (remember those days?) were just people bitching about how no one makes parts for 240s and how under appreciated the platform is.

It evolved from bitching about no parts, to no affordable parts, and now cheap parts. People will always find something to bitch about and then blame it on "honda guys." That is until they stop worrying about what other people do with their time and money. (unless u own hks, or any of the other companies that pulled out of america, its not your business; literally).

xoxide
08-19-2012, 03:52 PM
^Wait so... What you're saying is that Honda people, made the 240 scene what it is today? Please elaborate... Id love to hear more of this :picardfp:

ILoveMyRHS13
08-19-2012, 03:57 PM
Thanks for the thread. I guess its about time I replace the no name RUCA that came on my car..
Yeah because this shit will happen to you on the highway. *Note, this is a FLCA, and NOT my car.
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/531054_10151150212220837_1935555172_n.jpg

tricky_ab
08-19-2012, 04:02 PM
^^ Holy crap!

upsdude
08-19-2012, 04:41 PM
what do you expect, we're talking about old 240's here...you want to be part of a "community" that doesn't mind paying more parts? buy a bmw, audi, or mercedes :P
used exhausts going for $600 all day lol

BongateerZ32
08-19-2012, 05:15 PM
Im saying that everyone loves to blame "honda people" for giving cars a cheap reputation. What makes 240s cheap is their low ass value, and the poor ass people that buy them; not some conevient scapegoat.

Ooo the honda people are coming... No...


^Wait so... What you're saying is that Honda people, made the 240 scene what it is today? Please elaborate... Id love to hear more of this :picardfp:

xoxide
08-19-2012, 05:44 PM
Still trying to understand the connection between 240 enthusiasts and honda people?

BongateerZ32
08-19-2012, 05:55 PM
Also, as far as forgings go (knock off or name brand):
At my job, most of the forge shop guys arent enginners or anything fancy like that. Some barely even speak english, and this is for the manufacturing of aerospace parts. What makes the parts valuable is their certifications. I believe mackin industries produces parts that are iso certified, meaning it has been tested (sonic, penetrant, grain structure, etc) to pass that spec. Its always in their fine print on their ads. If they spent the time and money to manufacture to those certifications, im sure theyd want u to know.

Rotas factory in the phillipines could infact manufacture high quality wheels, but without certs, you as a consumer dont know their lowest acceptable standard. They could still be damn awesome. Thats probably why theyre hit and miss, that and inconsistant material. Some people swear 100 track days on them. Some end up like those shattered ones weve all seen. (just an example. they could be certified, i dunno)

In the end, there will always be knock offs because people love cheap shit. Quality would have to be on a case by case basis, ie ebay parts that work. But if xxr, or megan is iso certified, then its possible for a person to see exactly how teins manufacturing process is different. Not exactly, but U can look up those certs to give u an idea of quality control.

BongateerZ32
08-19-2012, 05:58 PM
Theyre just people...
Theres no 240 people, or honda people. Its just poor people that wanna hook their car up, but dont wanna save longer, or just dont care.

Still trying to understand the connection between 240 enthusiasts and honda people?

BongateerZ32
08-19-2012, 06:00 PM
Also, look at masterpower turbos. Some brazilian factory or something, but their turbos have been working well last time i checked.

xoxide
08-19-2012, 06:20 PM
You sir, are a certified dumbass. :cj: Lay off the bong.

BongateerZ32
08-19-2012, 06:38 PM
U havent said anything useful to anyone. Your posts have literally been a waste of bandwith. If u wanna prove youre better than a lowly honda guy in his little fwd b16, go make youre own thread. That way people have a choice in reading your bullshit if they think the title is interesting enough "fuck honda ricers", or whatever it is youre trying to prove; not when theyre looking for some real talk about knock off quality.

xoxide
08-19-2012, 06:43 PM
http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy296/donguason/dafuq-did-i-just-read-meme.jpg
Do you have any idea what you are saying, or are you just rambling on? I never said anything about Honda, or the morons that drive them, other than that I did not see your connection on how they "made" the 240 scene. So please, continue on, on your e-rampage.

BongateerZ32
08-19-2012, 07:02 PM
Connection:The 1st car, highschool-early college, age 16-20 crowd is who made the "scene" for all these cars, and the knock off market; which is what this thread is about. Honda gets too much blame when its just ghetto ass people. Cant make it any simpler for u.

lude4life13
08-19-2012, 07:19 PM
Connection:The 1st car, highschool-early college, age 16-20 crowd is who made the "scene" for all these cars, and the knock off market; which is what this thread is about. Honda gets too much blame when its just ghetto ass people. Cant make it any simpler for u.

I couldn't agree more. There are ricer/ghetto/idiots in every car scene from low end to high end. It's just that more of them drive cheap cars. Shit I even saw a new gtr at a big meet in socal that literally looked like a child put it together.

imotion s14
08-19-2012, 07:31 PM
Lol... Honda crowd will move on? U guys make it seem like a swarm of big wing, fart can having locusts.

Truth is though that these "honda people" made the 240 scene. Before them, this forum and 240sxforums and i think 240sx.org (remember those days?) were just people bitching about how no one makes parts for 240s and how under appreciated the platform is.

It evolved from bitching about no parts, to no affordable parts, and now cheap parts. People will always find something to bitch about and then blame it on "honda guys." That is until they stop worrying about what other people do with their time and money. (unless u own hks, or any of the other companies that pulled out of america, its not your business; literally).

They weren't bitching about the availability of parts.. it was about the availability of parts STATE SIDE. There were plenty of parts, just crack open the HyperRev mag back in the day.

Honda gets too much blame when its just ghetto ass people. Cant make it any simpler for u.

Honda and Ghetto ass people, same shit!

The Dude
08-19-2012, 08:01 PM
How did this turn into a debate on whose fault knockoff parts are?
On another note, for the budget minded person, I just bought megan toe and traction arms on ebay for $52 shipped. When I got them I basically took them apart and used nothing but the bracket. Had a bolt welded to the bracket that's 5/8-18, bought Coleman Racing aluminum hex tie rods, QA1 3-piece teflon rod ends, some jam nuts. Bam! Quality arms for just over $200 for both sets.
Random story, I know, but this thread blows anyway.

Teleport Massive
08-20-2012, 01:28 AM
Bam! Quality arms for just over $200 for both sets.
Random story, I know, but this thread blows anyway.

Cool story
You put a new rod end on your arms. Which are in fact cast steel instead of DOM 1026 like a respectable arm would have. Quality? No, but it was a good try.

Hondas did not invent the 240, tuning, or otherwise any import modding scene. They merely did it first. Granted, the popularity may not have been as big, but s-chassis enthusiasts and tuners would always have a thriving community.

Thanks for the replies fellas.

jamg
08-20-2012, 01:50 AM
Its not the car community, its the people.

Poverty cars, poverty money, equates to buying cheap shit.

Don't buy a poverty car if you want to be involved with a classy car community.

Oh any my eBay arms are fine. mine were made in the USA, and my car will literally break before I ever bend my control arms, its a solid piece.

The Dude
08-20-2012, 03:36 AM
Cool story
You put a new rod end on your arms. Which are in fact cast steel instead of DOM 1026 like a respectable arm would have. Quality? No, but it was a good try.

Hondas did not invent the 240, tuning, or otherwise any import modding scene. They merely did it first. Granted, the popularity may not have been as big, but s-chassis enthusiasts and tuners would always have a thriving community.

Thanks for the replies fellas.

Thanks for not reading what I said, guy.
I replaced everything but the Megan bracket...and I reinforced that. The static load rating of the Chromoly QA1 rod ends is 18000 lbs, or probably more than double what our cars would ever see. The hex rod is made of aluminum and is the same stuff that Battle Version uses for their arms (literally, they buy it from Coleman).
I have SPL V1 tension rods on my car and they are just about as cheap and shitty as anything you would buy on ebay. The rod ends are dog shit, and the hardware rusted after about 3 months. Granted, their new stuff is nicer than that but just because you pay out the ass for something doesn't mean it's quality.

Teleport Massive
08-20-2012, 11:16 AM
Thanks for not reading what I said, guy.
I replaced everything but the Megan bracket...and I reinforced that. The static load rating of the Chromoly QA1 rod ends is 18000 lbs, or probably more than double what our cars would ever see. The hex rod is made of aluminum and is the same stuff that Battle Version uses for their arms (literally, they buy it from Coleman).
I have SPL V1 tension rods on my car and they are just about as cheap and shitty as anything you would buy on ebay. The rod ends are dog shit, and the hardware rusted after about 3 months. Granted, their new stuff is nicer than that but just because you pay out the ass for something doesn't mean it's quality.
Forgive me, I totally skimmed through all these posts in including yours, still thinking of RUCAs. Its a real bad habit of mine. And I may not agree with that last bit, but I do think shelling out a ton of money for the absolute best is totally impractical for 80% of people. The $215 arms work as well as the $350's.

I'd like to know where you got the info from the BV buys from Coleman if you dont mind.

thefro526
08-20-2012, 11:42 AM
Really I believe it all matters what your doing wit your car if your an difter, track racer, or even street racer common sense would tell normal people buy top line stuff but it shouldn't really matter want you buy if your an causal driver try to get from a to b doing the speed limited

If you know something has been known to fail in some cases, you should be asking yourself 'when will it break' not 'will it break.

Look at someone daily driving their car on questionably made parts. They drive in excess of 10,000 miles a year on American roads - I don't care where. Those parts are going to see a huge amount of loading over time causing the parts to fatigue. Sure, they might not break after an event or two like some parts used on track cars, but street driving is a lot more abusive than people think and can cause parts to fail over time.

How many people have hit pot holes and bent control arms? If you look at the factory arm design, it's not designed to be a rigid part, it's designed to deflect under large loading so that the part doesn't experience a total failure (Difference between pulling over under control and flying off the road). Hit a big enough pot hole to bend a stock LCA with a cheapo china LCA and you'll see what I mean.

SlideOrDie831
08-20-2012, 11:58 AM
multi links are made to snap so in won't bend the cross member or sub frame. bend those and you're really fucked.

KiLLeR2001
08-20-2012, 12:03 PM
multi links are made to snap so in won't bend the cross member or sub frame. bend those and you're really fucked.

LOL, is this real life!??!?!

S14DB
08-20-2012, 12:33 PM
^^^The thing is, I could have sworn we had a thread just like this a few months ago. Guy was talking shit about Skunk2 and Skunk2 put a "bounty" on his info so they can sue him for defamation...

On top of that, we must have had like like 6-10 different threads talking about the whole knock off shit. If people wanna buy it, let them. They'll do what ever they wanna do with their money. No fucks given here...

All the info in here looks like the same regurgitated shit as before...

It is. Same photo's hosted on K20a about skunk. :lockd: