Am I Too Low?

[AadosX]

I just don't wanna fuck anything up. I think I may be rubbing a little, so I might have to raise the front a hair, which sucks. What do you guys think?

BEFORE:

http://www.auburn.edu/~lockejc/other/lowerbefore.jpg

AFTER:

http://www.auburn.edu/~lockejc/other/lowerafter.jpg

http://www.auburn.edu/~lockejc/other/lowerfront.jpg

http://www.auburn.edu/~lockejc/other/lowerrear.jpg

MOVIE (right click/save as):

http://www.auburn.edu/~lockejc/other/lowermovie.avi

Thanks,
John

[Ranger_Man]

you are at the same ride height as me. you will be fine so long as you dont try to rally your car over rail road tracks or ramp speed bumps.

[the240sxer95]

nahh its still a little to high :\

[TheSnail]

You at the limit, dont go lower, dont listen to the240sxr95.

[the240sxer95]

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[RBS14]

too low? are you kidding........... you still got a couple inches lower to go! SLAM it! its not low enough until your rear fender is at the same height as ur rear wheel (not tire) and ur front tire rubs the top of ur front fender while at full loc drifting.
The Msports cars are a great example of what i'm taling about. They're actually a little too low (for street driving) but you get the idea.

[TheSnail]

lol, I hope your kiddin.

[the240sxer95]

nope! i am serious =] needs to be lower!

[RBS14]

I'm not kidding one bit. If ur rubbing, do something about it. Take out ur fender liners, roll ur fenders, run different wheels, do what you have to. For example, I had to ziptie my wiring harness up to the top of my frame inside my front fender because my wheel was rubbing it because my car is so low. Did i raise it up, no. I fixed it. Look at Dousan's car, he is so low that he had to run a 5mm spacer to make 17x9 +15 fit up front. that's pimp. Most people can run a 17x9 +25.

About having ur rear fender at same hight as ur wheel lip, that's on 18's, it would be too low on 16's. Just to clarify.

Yea you get bump steer when you go crazy low but that can be fixed.

[TheSnail]

Here is my car, or, the lowest you want go.

[AceInHole]

visible wheel gap = definitely not too low :P

[RBS14]

Snail.........

Beautiful!

[TheSnail]

lol... Here is a "for real" picture of how low it is, I like it at this level, but I may take a .5 - 1inch off the front. The pic above is it, as it sits right now with no engine.

[s0ldats]

snail is your car made for rally? your lowered still looks like rally.

[DRFT]

not low enough

[TheSnail]

Thats cool, I like where, I can go over things like pincones, speed bumps, bumpy roads at a fast pace. Yeah your car may look cool parked, and it may turn beter then mine on a blacktop, but put rea life roads such a tripling the speed limit on nighborhood roads, my car would out handle yours any day.

[LonelyDoridori]

lol... Here is a "for real" picture of how low it is, I like it at this level, but I may take a .5 - 1inch off the front. The pic above is it, as it sits right now with no engine.

Isn't that stock ride height? Maybe -.2"?

[TheSnail]

Whatever tein claims

[adey]

aadosx, I think you are more than fine. You MAY rub on one side in the front under load (cornering while braking) or you may rub both sides when you brake... but that's nothing that a little fender lining removal can't help. :) I think it looks good as is, although lower never looks worse. If you drive it daily, you may consider raising it *marginally* (1/2 or 1/3") but I don't think you'll have too many problems as long as you're gentle on speedbumps and curbs.

[xkimcheekidx]

visible wheel gap = definitely not too low :P

yup thats all that needs to be said. its like this

visible wheel gap = :barf:
nonvisble(i think i made up that work) wheel gap = :yum:

[s0ldats]

but put rea life roads such a tripling the speed limit on nighborhood roads, my car would out handle yours any day.

yeah, i'm sure you'd kill me tripling the speed limits on neighborhood roads.

[TheSnail]

Wow, thats some ricealistic thinking if you ask me. What about compression and rebound dampening, spring rate? Or wait no,, It sucks if it aint droped. Yeah that coil over spring kit on ebay for 50$ can drop your car upto 4inches, you ought to get that, would look phat. Yeah crappy tein engineers dont know how to make springs, since I got them to look cool and the crap only droped the car .5-1inch

[AadosX]

Ummm, I guess you know more than real racers. You should keep your car like that and dominate all the professional drifters and GT racers. Roads aren't that bad unless you live in the boones w/dirt roads. It isn't that hard to go slow over a speedbump.

[s0ldats]

Ummm, I guess you know more than real racers. You should keep your car like that and dominate all the professional drifters and GT racers. Roads aren't that bad unless you live in the boones w/dirt roads. It isn't that hard to go slow over a speedbump.

heh, i hear ya, but not when you're tripling neighborhood speed limits like mr snail. :lockd:

[TheSnail]

Well Im glad you guys like your ill lowrider 240's they are mad tight. But what I recomend, when you park, take the wheels compleatly off ! That is the phat shi+, you will be the lowest one at your school, no one could get lower then you. Surely you would get all the fly bitches.

[Matt_240]

I just don't wanna fuck anything up. I think I may be rubbing a little, so I might have to raise the front a hair, which sucks. What do you guys think?
Thanks,
John

Looks fine as it is. you can lower it a bit more but i wouldn't lower it any more than a half an inch unless you roll your fenders. for looks, i'd lower it a bit more if you can deal with going over speed bumps slow and taking it easy on inclines. for performance, i think its better that you stay the way you are.

[mrmephistopheles]

watch your tires for cuts in the middle of the tread, the inside of your fender for missing paint, the inside edge of your tires for chunking. Also listen for rubbing. If you see/hear any of this, examine your front end and see what needs to be adjusted/massaged.

[matlock]

Well Im glad you guys like your ill lowrider 240's they are mad tight. But what I recomend, when you park, take the wheels compleatly off ! That is the phat shi+, you will be the lowest one at your school, no one could get lower then you. Surely you would get all the fly bitches.
Wow that was oh so clever, I was thinking you could even remove the brakes, and suspension and just sit on the tranny subframe, then I would be lower...moron.

Be careful of how low you lower it and, like mrmephistopheles said, check for any signs of wear, because Aceinthehole just had a possible blowout from wear or something. (Sorry again ace, I am not being a jerk)

[TheSnail]

Wow that was oh so clever, I was thinking you could even remove the brakes, and suspension and just sit on the tranny subframe, then I would be lower

Great thinking matlock. Thats the ricelaitic advice Im talking about, as for the rest of you ricers, you can thank matlock, your master ricecake for his idea's.

[Bliss]

Great thinking matlock. Thats the ricelaitic advice Im talking about

What are you talking about?!?

You're definately not TOO low, but just like other said, listen for unusual sounds, any change in input from the wheels, check suspension pieces for rubbing, check tires for any cuts. You're that low, roll your fenders if you can. Why take any chances??

[Stee Flo]

My car is not even as low as that and my stock bumper barely clears speed bumps and I barely make it inside my driveway(front bumper scrapes everytime). As a daily driver, i wouldnt suggest going lower than that. For track and events you should be able to slam it more.

[sykikchimp]

Passive rear steering ring any bells?

Too low and toe changes become too extreme under hard cornering. The car will tend to push mid corner, and then suddenly snap around on track-out.

With 8/6 springs on the HE's you can probably get away with 2" without detrimental effects. On softer springs (like most regular spring/strut combo's) more than 1.5" and your gonna cause handling woes.

In everyday driving though, where your rarely gonna exceed any of the vehicles limits, it won't really matter.
Of course, most of you lack the skills to even notice.

TheSnail - grow-up man. You have some good info, but your maturity level is on par with a 4 year old. I seriously hope you were being sarcastic about the tripling neighborhood speed limits thing. Also, if I read another post were you call someone names and display your immaturity even more, you will be banned.

[mrmephistopheles]

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4287555659 enjoy.

[RBS14]

^^^

Looking good........... well now anyways. I'd hate to see what ur tires look like. I might need to bend the metal inside the top of my fender also when i go lower soon here.

[MannyG]

I still need to go lower but im going to wait untill I get my body kit

[AadosX]

Holy crap haha. I wake up this morning with negative front wheel gap. It's too low now, when I turn my front wheels I can hear the rub lol, and when I hit bumps I can hear the rear rub. I'm about to raise it all up to what the front looked like when I posted those pictures. Then get an alignment.

[oojpeeoo]

rawr~!! there is no such thing as 2 low

[AadosX]

Can I roll the fenders and keep the fender linings?

[TheSnail]

Wait, what did I say? Or am I still talking crazy? LOL ! ! !

[AadosX]

Umm, it's going to how it was when I took that picture, I just said it settled and it's still low. Your car is like higher than stock height dude.

[TheSnail]

Umm, it's going to how it was when I took that picture,

???what???lol???wow...

Take your time there Jonhy

[RBS14]

No, you cannot roll the fenders and still keep the fender liners. Take a look under there and you will see.

[AadosX]

You should be able to figure that out... basically:

Umm, it's RETURNING to how it was when I took that picture .

[AadosX]

Do I need my fender linings for anything?

[Matt_240]

Do I need my fender linings for anything?

man, i thought i asked a lot of questions. you ask so many questions its ridiculous. no you dont need your fender linings. burn them.

[Bumish1]

dude its to low looks ricey... not to agree with the snail. but i just think it looks bad when your car is rubbing against the ground. and if you ever plan on keeping good handeling going to low can realy change the way your car handles. in the famous words of jack black "Think ABOUT it MAN!" if your cars to low your springs will effect the way your car shifts weight and how it reacts to turning difrently meaning unless you wana drag a 240 witch i would hit you for...theres no point in going any lower. i highly recomend you raise the ride hight a little...not to much tho

[Bumish1]

anyone agree.... oh and i assume you mean to drift and maybe some day hit a drack or 2 with it otherwise why get a 240

[Bumish1]

track* haha

[AadosX]

I'll drag a couple of times after I mod just to see how fast it is. But I would never set the suspension up for it... The car is just a daily driver... and I like to auto-x. Nothing major, no drifting, (can't do that out here in AL).

[Steeles]

dude its to low looks ricey... not to agree with the snail. but i just think it looks bad when your car is rubbing against the ground. and if you ever plan on keeping good handeling going to low can realy change the way your car handles. in the famous words of jack black "Think ABOUT it MAN!" if your cars to low your springs will effect the way your car shifts weight and how it reacts to turning difrently meaning unless you wana drag a 240 witch i would hit you for...theres no point in going any lower. i highly recomend you raise the ride hight a little...not to much tho

what?!?! ummm no. lowering the car changes the suspension angles. but any proper suspension that allows for this much lowering will have corrections for this or you can buy them. (I.e. RUCA toe control arms TC rods etc etc) go look at any D1 car those things are SLAMMED like lowriders on hydros! and you cannot say those things dont handle. look at a JGTC car. slammed.

[sykikchimp]

Do the JGTC cars maintain the stock suspension mounting locations?

If they are anything like Speed World Challenge (closest thing I can think of), then they have fully custom suspensions with different suspension geometry.

To do it like the D1 guys, you need about $2500 worth of adjustable pillowball everything.

btw - I was just looking at splparts.com to make sure I was pretty close on pricing, but they don't list Adjustable FLCA's anymore? wtf?

[Zemus]

Cuz the price is so high on the FLCA's IIRC their like 600 or so, I want them BAD :-D

[No Motiv]

bot too low for me... looks good

[Steeles]

hmmm good point chimp... Im not sure if they use factory suspension mounting points or not.... you bastard dont you ever debunk my rants again :p

D1 is a pretty extreme example. (and besides he's already got 1250 in the HE's) check out they PG twins Dousan and Doriftoslut's cars. (poster not you chimp)


yeah FLCA's would be HOT... Russ has a set now that bastard. still too rich for my blood. like 700 for cuscos....

[sykikchimp]

:whip: I'm Rick James Biitch!

I'm thinking Coilovers, FLCA's, RLCA's, RUCA's, Toe rods, traction rods, T/C rods, adjustable tie rod ends, and heim joint end links.

Then you could put the car at about any height you want with a proper alignment. Hell you could even change track width however you like. So many possibilities. Good thing I know a guy who builds race cars.. cause I sure as hell don't know enough to take full advantage of all that crap. :eek3:

[Steeles]

ha I plan to lower mine to just before I need your race guy to set mine up lol. I need new coilovers. and new TC rods. and sways. then Imm done with suspension.. well maybe... got my eye on a set of wheels... we'll see how the auction goes ina day or two :)

[HiPSI]

Great thinking matlock. Thats the ricelaitic advice Im talking about, as for the rest of you ricers, you can thank matlock, your master ricecake for his idea's.
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i get around atlanta fine with my car sitting as is, with less than a 1/4inch tire to fender gap. no problem even with speed bumps. so what's your reasoning against cars that are lower than yours again? :loco:

[andrave]

I had a damned 89 hatch with tein S tech lowering springs and factory front lip and no place here would align the f'in thing cause it wouldn't clear their alignment racks...

I have the same springs on my coupe now but it has no lip, once I finish doing the rest of my suspension stuff I'm gonna try and get it aligned and see what happens.

[Replicant_S14]

Do the JGTC cars maintain the stock suspension mounting locations?

The suspension has to be the same type (as in McStrut, double A-arm etc.) Other than that it's pretty much a free-4-all. The mounting point are free, some have horizontal mount damper etc. All sorts of crazy shit that doesn't apply to our commuter cars.

[mrmephistopheles]

^^^

Looking good........... well now anyways. I'd hate to see what ur tires look like. I might need to bend the metal inside the top of my fender also when i go lower soon here.

Tires DID get cut up and chunked alot. No more, now.
I have NO rubbing issues now.