Att: phatdex

[S13Grl]

Here's a little suggestion:

You apologize for being an ####### and a smart-ass, we stop deleting your posts, and you start being nice. We understand you don't like the US 240. But instaed of saying: "240SX is so f'n gay, so stupid, you people are so weird" yadda yadda, say " I don't like the 240, and I'm sorry you couldn't get the SR".

Deal?

[phatdex]

If I got the 2.4L in Australia I would be writing a letter to Nissan Australia thanking them for making me never buy a silvia from them again.  U guys should be outraged and doing the same sort of thing.  Believe it or not, companies actually listen to what their buyers want.  Subaru listened to ppl about how ugly the new wrx is, so they gave them the headlight kit etc to change the bug eye lights.  Maybe if u were a little less content and more active in ur outrage nissan would think twice about giving u shit off the scrap heap.

[phatdex]

so u want me to say what?  I like the 240?  hmmmm
Give me reasons why the engine is good and u may persuade me, but just by deleting my posts and saying I talk shit, u aint gonna convince me.

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from phatdex on 7:11 pm on Dec. 30, 2001
If I got the 2.4L in Australia I would be writing a letter to Nissan Australia thanking them for making me never buy a silvia from them again. U guys should be outraged and doing the same sort of thing. Believe it or not, companies actually listen to what their buyers want. Subaru listened to ppl about how ugly the new wrx is, so they gave them the headlight kit etc to change the bug eye lights. Maybe if u were a little less content and more active in ur outrage nissan would think twice about giving u shit off the scrap heap.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Don't worry about it, we get by. There have been e-mails and letter campaign's in the past to Nissan, there isn't much you can do. Everything has a plus or minus to it, we just got a minus on this deal.

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from phatdex on 7:14 pm on Dec. 30, 2001
so u want me to say what? I like the 240? hmmmm
Give me reasons why the engine is good and u may persuade me, but just by deleting my posts and saying I talk shit, u aint gonna convince me.
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No, just admit that you were harsh in everything you said. Typing about how slow our cars are in the &quot;boston meet&quot; thread was REALLY uncalled for and i had no problem getting rid of that. I got rid of everything else to give you a &quot;fresh&quot; start.

[phatdex]

this is basically all i have said the whole time yet i have been deleted for nothing really. &nbsp;I havent been nasty. &nbsp;TOld u about my friends 520whp s14 and i was just called a bullshitter. &nbsp;Oh well.

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from phatdex on 7:18 pm on Dec. 30, 2001
this is basically all i have said the whole time yet i have been deleted for nothing really. I havent been nasty. TOld u about my friends 520whp s14 and i was just called a bullshitter. Oh well.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

You may have a friend with a 520 whp car, i think it's BS that it only cost him $4000 (or whatever amount it was)

[phatdex]

slow in the boston meet? &nbsp;What r u talking about?

[phatdex]

i dont even know what boston meet u r talking about!
Maybe u mean the 0-60 in like 20 secs! &nbsp;That was like........exaggeration. &nbsp;I was just taken back when i found out u had no turbos.

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from phatdex on 7:20 pm on Dec. 30, 2001
slow in the boston meet? What r u talking about?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Under the topic &quot;Boston Meet&quot; you came out with a random bashing on how slow the cars are over here with a slew of cuss words. It's just a car meet, you don't need to be in there making fun of them.

[phatdex]

If i remember correctly they were talking about speed around a track or some shit. &nbsp;How would I know if that was slow or not. &nbsp;This, I dont believe happened. &nbsp;Unless u r talking about what i said in my last post about the 20 second thing. &nbsp;Yes? &nbsp;No?

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from phatdex on 7:25 pm on Dec. 30, 2001
If i remember correctly they were talking about speed around a track or some shit. How would I know if that was slow or not. This, I dont believe happened. Unless u r talking about what i said in my last post about the 20 second thing. Yes? No?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

I believe thats what you said in that topic.

[phatdex]

If the post was still there we could look, but it aint. &nbsp;My advice to u is to let ppl say what they want and then everyone will know what everyone thinks and at least it will be honest. &nbsp;(and more interesting)

[phatdex]

The 20sec thing was a joke because i didnt know u guys were non turbos.
And about the CA18DET, I meant it, I dont like it. &nbsp;But I aint bagging u. &nbsp;Would u prefer me to say i like it when i dont? &nbsp;I'm not saying that u r a dickhead for having it or anything like that, just that the engine is not good. &nbsp;Not everyone will like the things u like.

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from phatdex on 7:27 pm on Dec. 30, 2001
If the post was still there we could look, but it aint. My advice to u is to let ppl say what they want and then everyone will know what everyone thinks and at least it will be honest. (and more interesting)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

*sigh* I give up trying to reason, we made this post to give you a new try at it. As far as i'm concerned, this is conversation is over. I'm letting you go, if i come back later and this board is spammed with more crap, i'll ask the site owner to ban you.

[phatdex]

I really dont understand, a forum is designed to give opinions. &nbsp;I give mine. &nbsp;U can tell me that the 1.6L &nbsp;MIVEC engine is crap and i can take it. &nbsp;It's about preference, freedom of speech, freedom to have whatever car u want and modify it even if someone else thinks its gay. &nbsp;Whatever makes u happy. &nbsp;But my friends have CA18DET and they just gave up on them and put in sr20 or fj20's.
I dont see why I should be banned. &nbsp;Anyone else agree?

[onebadm5]

&quot;I agree to disagree...&quot;

there's a difference between voicing an opinion and flaming others because their opinions don't concur with yours.

like the old man himself, Larry Flynt, said, &quot;Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one.&quot;

(Edited by onebadm5 at 6:53 pm on Dec. 30, 2001)

[dave2u]

oright mate <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>
My opinion is its all about etiquette. Both those 2 that your talking to are really nice guys but unfortunately they`ve been burdoned with the job of keeping the peace on the boards. They`ve got to try and keep the boards friendly and informative and its not all about being able to say whatever you want.
We witness other boards deteriorate into heated bitter argument pits because everyone says what the f*ck they want.
I`m not a mod or an american but even i think your offending them a bit.
And if you dont want to do that you`ll take the opportunity to accept the welcoming hand put out to ya and become another friendly member.
Lets keep it friendly hey bud. I know there cars are shit but we cant say that to `em hahahahahhahaha( joking joking hehehehehe)

[BlankFlip]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from phatdex on 9:36 pm on Dec. 30, 2001
I really dont understand, a forum is designed to give opinions. I give mine. U can tell me that the 1.6L MIVEC engine is crap and i can take it. It's about preference, freedom of speech, freedom to have whatever car u want and modify it even if someone else thinks its gay. Whatever makes u happy. But my friends have CA18DET and they just gave up on them and put in sr20 or fj20's.
I dont see why I should be banned. Anyone else agree?
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okay, i haven't read ur other comments cuz i guess they were deleted. what kind of car do u have? what kind of car does ur friend have?

[chickenmanq]

Stop being a jackass. &nbsp;You don't see people bitching at me for being on this forum with a Nissan truck, do you? &nbsp;That's cause generally I know what I'm talking about, and I don't completely bash other people with no basis behind my dislike. &nbsp;You can't say &quot;I just don't like it.&quot; &nbsp;There is no reason, hence the claim is unimportant. &nbsp;However, once you've made your point, give it a rest. &nbsp;

[transient]

Phat... you seem to be missing the point here. Yeah, the USDM 240 is N/A only, and yeah, it may be a little slow, but really.. what is the point of coming onto the board, saying how your car is so much better, and that ours suck? If you think we should write a letter to nissan with our grievances in it, why didn't you say that in the first place, not &quot;Your 240s suck, what the #### is up with that engine.&quot; etc.

It's all about ediquette. Just because you're not in the real world doesn't mean you're not interacting with people in the real world, and when you interact with people, you should have some manners about it.

[BlankFlip]

so i'm assuming he has a silvia/240sx/200sx w/ an sr20det. if so, how much did it cost? how many miles? what condition?

[drift freaq]

well first off phat calling someones car gay or the engine gay is the voice of ignorance. You do not insult peoples cars or engines just because you think they are weak or not powerful enough. How old are you anyways?? You talk like a 15 year old kid.
Second off no one ever taught you any manners did they??
Third , Ya us Americans got stuck with the KA24e and DE know what. If the KA24DE had come stock with a Turbo it would be kicking your SR20DET ass down the block. Now don't get me wrong I happen to have friends wtih SR20DET's in their cars right here in California. Me , I have a 91 S13 fastback with 22,000 miles on it . I am going to Turbo it and its going to put out 240rwhp at 7 lbs boost. Hmmm can your SR20DET do that at 7psi?? I don't think so. &nbsp;I like the fact that we got the torque engine . It makes for better off the line launchs in my book. It Also makes it quite fun in the lower rpm band. So if you went to Japan or read up on Jun you would find out that they were quite impressed with the KA24DET and what they could get out of it. So take your head out of your %$#. Take the cotton out of your ears put it in your mouth and listen . You might just learn something and be the wiser for it.

[DuffMan]

Actually the dual cam engine isn't too bad. I know the 15hp gain doesn't sound like much, but it really makes a difference. It's a pretty rev-happy engine and acts sort of like a SR20DE. The sound is all wrong, but the engines are still peppy.

now i know that most of the s13's in Australia aren't turbo, so it's not like we live on some hugely different plane of existance here. It's just that with you guys, some of the S13's have turbos, and with us we have to put them on our selves.

Since I didn't see your original post, I don't know if you were talking about S13's or S14's. I do think that continuing the KA24DE past 1994 in the US without some kind of improvement was insane, and so was the price they asked for it. Obviously, that's why they had to kill it off here. But my S13 I think was a good deal, considering I had to buy an older car, and was comparing it to similar older cars.

Australia has some advantages and disadvantages compared to the US when it comes to cars. If classic muscle cars are your thing, then it would obviously suck to live in australia. For me personally I think you guys get a better deal, but It's not like we are stuck with utter crap here. It's just the way things worked out. There just wasn't enough demand here for fast cars. Now that a lot of young people are getting into cars, especially imports, there is going to be a lot more demand here. That's why the new Z, Skyline, and RX8, Evo will be comming and why the WRX is already here.

[Grant]

he doesnt even sound like he lives in Australia.

[s15dude]

another reason is that the SR won't smog in california, and sure nissan could have gotten the SR to smog but the KA already did and fit the niche they were trying to fill. And keep in mind that they didn't want to take away from the N/A 300Z sales with a fast silvia.

[misnomer]

hmm, looks like I missed all the fireworks. Wish I had the chance to see what y'all wrote. Obviously, phat doesn't like the KA. I really don't care to be honest. I have no urge to write letters. My car is peppy enough for me, and the price was right, plus it shouldn't have any trouble keeping up with Silvia Q (160 hp and 139 torque for '93-94 model years).

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">nissan would think twice about giving u shit off the scrap heap. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Calling the KA engine shit off the scrap heap is very ignorant and uncalled for. As it has already been said, an aftermarket turbo kit on the KA is rated for ~240 hp at the wheels at a mere 7 PSI. Even accounting for manufacturer spec bloating, that will still smear an s15 sr20dets 250 hp at the flywheel. Through in the torque advantage and you have absolutely no reason to hate the 2.4l engine. At what price? Doable for ~$8000 for car, turbo, and other goodies.

Of course, as alway I say &quot;to each his own.&quot; You apparently prefer the SR engine. Good for you, it's a great engine. I don't have any need to convince you to like the KA. Spouting off your beak ignorantly about something you don't like isn't gonna convince us not to like it either. Take your good opinions on the SR and express them. ####, express your bad opinions of the KA, but back it up. The zilvia.net forums aren't bashing forums. Have some respect, and we will respect you as well.

[S13Grl]

Thanks everyone, this all is exactly what we attempted at proving to this guy, but I guess he's just too ignorant.

[Takumi]

Well, if it's like talking to a wall, send him to BANNSYLVANIA.

[transient]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Grant on 2:38 am on Dec. 31, 2001
he doesnt even sound like he lives in Australia.
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I thought the same thing, but he has an Australian IP.

[my240likenoother]

every1 has there differences
on this page some of us dont &quot; prefer &quot;
the ca18det , the sr20det or even the ka24det
sometimes we dont think that you should do something to your car thats y we ask for opinions
just rember the word


prefer - to like better. &nbsp;EX: I prefer summmer than winter

(Edited by my240likenoother at 9:10 pm on Dec. 31, 2001)

[ca18guy]

It's OK to give your opinion on stuff thats not what this is about. The way HE GAVE the opinions is what's wrong. There is no need to turn this into a flame board he needs to learn some manner's.


Transient: You notice that his IP and the IP of the other Aussie that defended him have the same ISP. Geez makes ya wonder http://forums.off-topic.net/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[phatdex]

I didnt see any aussie defending me. &nbsp;But anyway, I dont need defending. &nbsp; All I have ever been doing is at first showing my disgust at the engine u got (which i didnt know until i came on this board) and then saying i would have been upset and would have preferred the sr20.
I dont think any posts should have been deleted, I didnt bag one person, only engines, and that is my right to do so. &nbsp;I have said why i would prefer an sr20 and also why the ca18det is not worth the time. &nbsp;Thats my opinion, so there. &nbsp;
The bagging of me by moderators has been directed at me dueto the act they are upset i have basically said their cars are inferior due to nissan US making a mistake. &nbsp;Who cares what I think about ur car, as long as U are happy with it, then thats all that matters. &nbsp;If it was me in the US, i probably would have agreed straight away and just said, &quot;yes, it does suck shit what Nissan did to our cars&quot; &nbsp;and that would have been the end of it. &nbsp;Maybe the moderators should think before they bag the individual just for stating their view.
I was never nasty, the moderators were.
How do i not sound australian? &nbsp;I am sitting in melbourne right now.
Did anyone go to MELBCCR.COM and have a look? &nbsp;Just a site made by some guy around the corner from me, has almost 1000 full time members and the organised cruises attract more than 2000 people to some of them! &nbsp;Have a look.

[BlankFlip]

phatdex, what kind of car, condition, etc. can u give of ur current car?

[phatdex]

My current car which I am in the middle of selling is a '92 Mirage Cyborg R with a 1.6L &nbsp;MIVEC engine which standard has 175hp at 7700rpm. &nbsp;I have a 2.25&quot; exhaust with APEXi muffler and I have 4-1 extractors.
17&quot; Lenso wheels, stereo etc.
I have received $4000 from the guy and am waiting for the extra $10,000 then I will give it to him.
Pity a harley rider rode into the back of me yesterday tho. &nbsp;Need to get that fixed! ####!

[phatdex]

Once it is finally sold I am (hopefully) getting a Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 4, if that doesnt work out, maybe a jap spec S15.

[phatdex]

there's a difference between voicing an opinion and flaming others because their opinions don't concur with yours.

The flames were only ever at the engines, never once were they directed at the ppl that owned them.
If we should all be allowed our opinions, why were my posts edited and deleted?
If i had have said all u ppl on this post site are gay for having this sort of engine, then u could be mad. &nbsp;But I didnt.

[misnomer]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">All I have ever been doing is at first showing my disgust at the engine u got (which i didnt know until i came on this board) and then saying i would have been upset and would have preferred the sr20. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

There is also a difference between voicing a valid opinion and spouting off on something you know nothing about. Apparently, you haven't driven a KA24DE. You really have no business knocking the engine and throwing all this disgust around. Granted, we don't have any factory trims with a turbocharger. It doesn't make the engine shitty.

I will agree that the posts shouldn't have been deleted. Maybe the topic closed, but the posts not deleted.

I also gotta give you some credit for keeping your cool <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> But, I still find your opinions on the 240sx lacking substance.

[riceboy]

Phatdex,I am the Aussie that backed you up,but soon ate my words,cos the ppl on the boards seem pretty cool.We all have something in common &quot;modified cars&quot; and nothing unless totally extreme should come between us.I agree in theory that the the US spec 200sx/240sx seems inferior to the Jap spec/Aussie spec,but you can't do much to change Government bullshit.It's the same as the problems we had with the EVO6 and grey imports,until that was changed, we had to do with some pretty vile automobiles.Still if the US market demands more enviro and user friendly cars then theres not much these guys can do about it.Thats why the import market is so big everywhere.

Again I apologise if I offended anyone in my previous posts,that has all been reversed.

[phatdex]

It's all cool, u know how I feel about the engine, and that I like the sr20 (many ppl prefer the FJ20), so its all cool.