new 2015 S chassis AKA downgraded Z

[nd240sx3]

Well my fellow s chassis owners! We've all be awaiting the return of the next gen s chassis. Well Nissan has answered our request, here it is. The blasphemous downgrade to a wonderful platform. Too lazy to design a new chassis those idiots decided to put a 4 cyl in a Z! Well ill still try and buy one but ill be pulling my vq35hr out of the 40 and putting it in the z where it belongs! Just my 2 cents

2015 Nissan Z May Be Lighter, Leaner (http://www.insideline.com/nissan/2015-nissan-z-may-be-lighter-leaner.html)

[Marcus]

Sweet. Looking forward to it

[Hoffman5982]

It's still a Z, not an s-chassis...

[nd240sx3]

Hoffman5982 ur not understanding what I'm trying to say! Yes its a Z. Nissan wanted a newer cheaper rwd chassis that us s chassis folks can afford. that will compete with the new yota and subi and genesis, but instead of designing a new chassis to meet our needs / request for one, those lazy idiots completly destroyed what a z is all about. They are planning to remove the great power plant we know as the vq and replacing with a 4 cyl...keep the z a 6cyl and redesign a new affordable chassis....

[Kaomon]

i guess it's similar with the new infinitis having the G25, and four cylinder counterpart to the G37......

[SuperBlackS14]

Well, the current Z chassis is already well engineered. So, there's worse things we could get.

[nd240sx3]

i guess it's similar with the new infinitis having the G25, and four cylinder counterpart to the G37......


The g25 is actually a v6 its just a 2.5 v6...

[g e n k i]

I think it's time some people try to understand that from a company perspective it's all about units sold. If todays market demands better gas mileage/lower emissions, and that's what consumers are leaning towards and buying, then a company will gear their cars towards that to get as big of a return as possible. "Tuner" markets are a very small market, no matter what you think.

[dragonbreath]

I think it's a good move for Nissan. The z does need to trim a little weight. Nissan has reached the peak of the vq line of engines, says the Nissan engineers. Sure they can throw some turbos on a vq but then you are talking money. Even more than the bloated price now. With the strict gov EPA regulations across the world Nissan doesn't really have a choice. It was inevitable. Hopefully they can still provide innovation with the next gen with a reasonable price.

Nissan isn't the only car maker doing this. Rumors are for the next mustang gt to be a turboed 6 cyl. The next gen mustang is also supposedly dropping weight and size to be marketed as a world car.

[nd240sx3]

I think it's time some people try to understand that from a company perspective it's all about units sold. If todays market demands better gas mileage/lower emissions, and that's what consumers are leaning towards and buying, then a company will gear their cars towards that to get as big of a return as possible. "Tuner" markets are a very small market, no matter what you think.

Yes I know! And i do understand that's why... I'm just mad at the fact and venting....

[!Zar!]

I can't wait till Hungary decides to redesign and bring back the Horse & Buggy.

[dragonbreath]

I can't wait till Hungary decides to redesign and bring back the Horse & Buggy.

Lol it would save me gas money.

[raz0rbladez909]

I'll believe it when I see it.

[conwest]

keeping the 370 body style though? wtf that shit is fugly hence why it hasn't sold well

[Y0SH]

If this is there plain I say they should redesign a new front end and offer a coupe variant.

[Juantwo3]

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! the horse

[GripTerror]

lol lightweight my stripped s chassis is 800lbs lighter

[Nismo11]

Hope someone gets some spy pics of the car.

[Dori240]

Nissan Working on Mini-Z to target FR-S/BRZ - Motor Trend (http://www.motortrend.com/future/future_vehicles/1207_nissan_working_on_mini_z_to_target_frs_brz/)

[boostedk]

got me excited for nothing i was a expecting a S chassis not a Z....

[dorkidori_s13]

Old news and a bunch of crap. The car is rumored to be using the Juke chassis which means FWD/AWD, NO RWD!!!

This has already been covered in the thread below....

http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/127041-2011-240-other-future-rwd-coupe-thread.html

Be sure to stop by Nissans Facebook page and let them know what you think of the new FWD mini-Z that is supposed to be taking on the RWD BRZ/FRS/GT86 and Genesis Coupe.

https://www.facebook.com/Nissan

Nissan has given an open invitation PUBLICLY for their customers to let them know what they think of their products and what NEW products they should be researching/building for upcoming offerings. So, again, make sure to stop by Nissans FB page and let them what you think of the fact we havent had a new S chassis for 12 years and of their brand new FWD Mini Z

[LockOn!]

^^^

That car is an absolute abomination. I hate it so bad. I really hope its not for real. When I first read that article, I raged soooo hard that I created a login and posted a comment. So mad.

As for a "mini Z".

It had better be a 2+2 like the FRS/BRZ. That expands the audience greatly as well as allowing for more versatility.

Basically unless Nissan can get their shit together in the next 3-4 years, I will be purchasing a FRS. Not that stoked on a flat 4 but at least the chassis is well engineered and the price is low.

[Future240]

Old news and a bunch of crap. The car is rumored to be using the Juke chassis which means FWD/AWD, NO RWD!!!

This has already been covered in the thread below....

http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/127041-2011-240-other-future-rwd-coupe-thread.html

Be sure to stop by Nissans Facebook page and let them know what you think of the new FWD mini-Z that is supposed to be taking on the RWD BRZ/FRS/GT86 and Genesis Coupe.

https://www.facebook.com/Nissan

Nissan has given an open invitation PUBLICLY for their customers to let them know what they think of their products and what NEW products they should be researching/building for upcoming offerings. So, again, make sure to stop by Nissans FB page and let them what you think of the fact we havent had a new S chassis for 12 years and of their brand new FWD Mini Z

I was just about to post that. I didn't know about the AWD. I admit that makes it better but if i wanted a turbo 4 with AWD I'd buy a subaru.

[DJ-of-E]

Basically unless Nissan can get their shit together in the next 3-4 years, I will be purchasing a FRS. Not that stoked on a flat 4 but at least the chassis is well engineered and the price is low.

That's why they mentioned 2014. While Toyobaru is enjoying their success, the car itself is expensive enough to meet near 300hp level cars (even a used 370z is cheaper).

Nissan hopefully will find a way to put more bang for your buck on 300HP to compete with the FR-S. Right now, the FR-S is on a bracket similar to a 370z, BRZ, WRX, Mazda Speed3....

....my god, forget about competition, we're should be darn happy there's so much variation now than back in 2000 when every bloody person want to go Hon-duh-like performance.

[ghoti]

I was just about to post that. I didn't know about the AWD. I admit that makes it better but if i wanted a turbo 4 with AWD I'd buy a subaru.

I was about to say that it had been mentioned before in those threads also. I have to disagree with just buying a Subaru. There's other 4cyl AWD Turbos like an EVO or and r32 golf

[Dori240]

^^^

Basically unless Nissan can get their shit together in the next 3-4 years, I will be purchasing a FRS. Not that stoked on a flat 4 but at least the chassis is well engineered and the price is low.


Seriously,

I doubt ANY car company is going to make/market there vehicles to buyers 3-4yrs from now when there are people looking to buy asap. Trends change and 3-4 yrs is a long time.... We could even have a morman president by then!!:picardfp:

[Salem240]

Seriously,

I doubt ANY car company is going to make/market there vehicles to buyers 3-4yrs from now when there are people looking to buy asap. Trends change and 3-4 yrs is a long time.... We could even have a morman president by then!!:picardfp:

Seriously?

Toyota put 10 years of R&D into the LFA and still had to put a Yamaha engine in it. 3-4 years is typical to go from idea to production for any car company (for a completely new chassis). Let's just hope that "mini Z", as called by the morons at Motortrend, stays an idea...

[Banana_Cute]

If anything, they should just redesign a newer S-chassis. no necessarily call it an S-chassis. Like how honda brought back the CRX, it came out to be the CR-Z and same with FT-86

[dorkidori_s13]

nissan HAD the new S chassis in clay and ready to show...theyre missing the ball again like theyve done SO many times already in the last 12 years *face/desk*

[Bambi]

They are planning to remove the great power plant we know as the vq and replacing with a 4 cyl...keep the z a 6cyl and redesign a new affordable chassis....
The V6 isn't even that great, it's good, but nothing amazing. A lighter chassis with a presumably higher revving turbo charged 4 cylinder would be funner vs having a light chassis and a heavy ass V6 that likes guzzling gas and cries at the thought of being boosted. Now I'm saying this for this new "leaner Z," I'm not saying the current Z should have a 4 banger.

[zo0d]

Z's have always had 6 cylinders. It should stay that way.

I could only dream that Nissan develops a new I6 for the next iteration.

[Karlitos]

Z's have always had 6 cylinders. It should stay that way.

I could only dream that Nissan develops a new I6 for the next iteration.

THIS!..

Nissan marketing would make a huge mistake to call it a z and remove a 6 cyl. The problem is, from 3.5>3.7, the next step would be a 3.9 and even if it were a 3.8 they cant match that against the GTR, it would cut sales. Unless they moved up to a 4.0 GTR but I doubt that would happen.

If nissan is making a new "compact" car, it would not be called a z. But probably based off the same platform since nissan only uses like 2 or 3 platforms lol. It would probably not be an "s chassis" either. Nissans pretty much marketed themselves out of making a new gt86 competitor.

They have too many of these funky suv/crossover type things (rouge, cube, versa, murano, juke). But I can see them bringing back a sort of 2 door FWD sentra SE-R package with the 1.6T from whatever that other box is.

[Drifting Kalamari]

They'll call it a Z25, just like the G25... Buncha crap

Ruinning the Z's name by throwing in a 4 banger

[ixfxi]

keeping the 370 body style though? wtf that shit is fugly hence why it hasn't sold well

it hasnt sold well because people are broke. people dont buy cars when they are broke.

funny quote from the blog link, i love it... proof that idiots still exist:

"vantageman says:
08:43 PM, 07/12/2012
The 240sx sucked it was heavy and slow other than being rear wheel drive and looking nice it had no other strong points worth buying it when it last went out it was very expensive, incredibly slow and not worth looking at in the sports car arena."

i didnt realize our cars were heavy! hahahah


i dunno, i have no interest in the FRS/BRZ vehicles. cool, underpowered... its a spinoff that is reminding the manufacturers that a simple light-weight rwd platform is still of interest. i dont understand how the big manufacturers forget this. its been proven time and time again: 240sx, miata, fc rx7.... everyone loves cheap and light.

idiots

the new z should be called a 240SX, period. the 370z should STAY the 370z.

[codyace]

nissan HAD the new S chassis in clay and ready to show...theyre missing the ball again like theyve done SO many times already in the last 12 years *face/desk*

I'm curious about how Nissan is missing the ball again...especially with how well some of their cars have been selling. Can't blame Nissan for building cars that the majority want...



Small,light....it's all cool...but these OEM's seem to forget power when it comes to that setup anymore. Why on earth would I want to buy this new 's chassis' (which we'll guess will be placed at 22-26k if it was even real)...and then need to dump another 4-6k into it to go fast? Screw that.

[Salem240]

They'll call it a Z25, just like the G25... Buncha crap

Ruinning the Z's name by throwing in a 4 banger

Why is it everyone thinks the G25 is 4cyl, I guess to assume Nissan would cheap out and slap the QR in it?

it hasnt sold well because people are broke. people dont buy cars when they are broke.

funny quote from the blog link, i love it... proof that idiots still exist:

"vantageman says:
08:43 PM, 07/12/2012
The 240sx sucked it was heavy and slow other than being rear wheel drive and looking nice it had no other strong points worth buying it when it last went out it was very expensive, incredibly slow and not worth looking at in the sports car arena."

i didnt realize our cars were heavy! hahahah


i dunno, i have no interest in the FRS/BRZ vehicles. cool, underpowered... its a spinoff that is reminding the manufacturers that a simple light-weight rwd platform is still of interest. i dont understand how the big manufacturers forget this. its been proven time and time again: 240sx, miata, fc rx7.... everyone loves cheap and light.

idiots

the new z should be called a 240SX, period. the 370z should STAY the 370z.

Where's the damn like button?

[driftsucky]

+1

If they want a new FRS/BRZ/GENISIS fighter, take the Altima Coupe that only 7 people liked and only 5 bought, make it RWD, give it the headlights and taillights of the 370Z...DONE!!! The Altima is now mirroring the Maxima, so it's an easy and pliable..and CHEAP way to "have a new car" and not eff up what's going on now.

[240SXK]

s-chassis is dead, quit calling z's frs and whatever other crap the new 240.

[FRpilot]

wouldn't it perform even worse if nissan they would put a 4 cylinder in a z34 chassis when it already drives slow and feels heavy with the v6 in it?

the problem is reusing the same z chassis. that body looks fat and huge no matter what you do to it. nissan needs to design a smaller compact body like the frs/brz, otherwise they are just selling 370z with a na 4 cylinder in it. i wonder if they also considered that potential buyers could buy a used REAL 370z for around the same price or lower than this "s chassis" NEW from a dealer.

[ixfxi]

wouldn't it perform even worse if nissan they would put a 4 cylinder in a z34 chassis when it already drives slow and feels heavy with the v6 in it?

i dont know of any human beings that think the Z is slow, regardless if its z33 or z34 - they've always been very acceptable in terms of power. a stock z33 was still faster in a straight line than a z33... theyre plenty capable.

i dont get it. we just need cheaper cars with smaller, more efficient motors. gas is expensive, cars are expensive... life is expensive. lets move on with cars few can afford and just have cars that normal people CAN afford.

the z34 is out of my price range, not because i cant afford it.. but because i cant justify spending that kind of money on " a car " ... just because its new.

new cars shouldnt be so fucking expensive.

[driftsucky]

i dont know of any human beings that think the Z is slow, regardless if its z33 or z34 - .
for srs? I know plenty of people who think the Z is low. I'm one of'em. I've owned a Z and have a G now and niether are what I'd consider "fast" cars. They're both fun as a room full-o-boobies, but neither are fast. And, oddly enough, I don't know anyone who doesn't wear their hat backwards, that thinks they're fast.

[raz0rbladez909]

for srs? I know plenty of people who think the Z is low. I'm one of'em. I've owned a Z and have a G now and niether are what I'd consider "fast" cars. They're both fun as a room full-o-boobies, but neither are fast. And, oddly enough, I don't know anyone who doesn't wear their hat backwards, that thinks they're fast.

In what world is a car that can run mid 13's in the 1/4 and 0-60 in close to 5 seconds flat slow? I understand that it's no Mustang GT or Camaro SS in terms of power, but the Z is a very capable car for what it is. At 30K(base) it's not the cheapest bang for the buck but it is very reasonable for what you get. Like someone else said the Z has ALWAYS been a 6-cyl, and I seriously doubt that will ever change.

Mind you the VQ35HR(306)/VQ37VHR(330/350) are still making more power per liter than the Mustangs 3.6 V6(305)/5.0 V8(412) which is an incredible feat.

[240SXK]

In what world is a car that can run mid 13's in the 1/4 and 0-60 in close to 5 seconds flat slow? I understand that it's no Mustang GT or Camaro SS in terms of power, but the Z is a very capable car for what it is. At 30K(base) it's not the cheapest bang for the buck but it is very reasonable for what you get. Like someone else said the Z has ALWAYS been a 6-cyl, and I seriously doubt that will ever change.

Mind you the VQ35HR(306)/VQ37VHR(330/350) are still making more power per liter than the Mustangs 3.6 V6(305)/5.0 V8(412) which is an incredible feat.

people are too used to modded cars vs factory cars. therefore anything that does not beat a z06 is slow.

they should buy eg civics, throw a 40r and run 10s, since that would be more overall satisfying to them than owning a modern technology real sportscar that is actually quick for what it is and more.


then again.. this is a 240 forum LOL

[driftsucky]

In a world where I drove a SRT-4 before my Z, and a SRT8 300C before my G. Orrrrr, in a world where people give a damn about 1/4 times. Cuz lesbi honest. 13sec isn't that fast down the 1320. Like I said, the Z/G is a FUNNNN car. Absolutely LOVE'em, which is why I buy'em. But, I didn't buy it for speed and anyone who does is...well...not used to fast cars.

And quick and fun is not the same as fast. Personally, I prefer quick/fun cars to fast ones. Just sayin

Other cars that aren't fast but have been mentioned: anything Honda ever made for production EVER!!!! True Story.

[!Zar!]

Why don't you all buy a base model 1 series or a 3 series?

Handeling and rear wheel drive. Both have sufficient power.

[driftsucky]

1 series is for women and 3 series break too much.

[!Zar!]

1 series is for women and 3 series break too much.

I've mostly seen bro chicks drive the FT-86 and the Genesis, so go figure.

And the 3 series will break? Details please.

[driftsucky]

I have niether and care smallly. so smally that I've used a word that's not even a word.

I have a 335i... Its a piece of sh!t. Been back to the dealer 4 times in 7 months. Under 60K miles. Worst car I've ever owned as far as reliability goes. I can't wait until I owe less than its worth so I can sell this b!tch and just get rid of the headache. I had my G for 4yrs and had problems with it ONCE. Don't do it unless you're buying a brand new one... & even still I wldnt recommend this car. Yes it's fast, it handles well, it's sexy, it's a head turner, it's incredibly easy to mod and build power... But what's the point if it's in the shop once a month for 1-2wks at a time? Not to mention you can't do any real power modifications while it's still under warranty. Not like the G where you never had to go to the dealer so they wld not find your mods... The dealer will be your second home. I hate this car... & I REALLY LOVED IT BEFORE I BOUGHT IT!!! Save yourself the headache and stay away. Or buy an older M3.

[thefro526]

Why don't you all buy a base model 1 series or a 3 series?

Handeling and rear wheel drive. Both have sufficient power.

This.

E9x 335i's and 135i's are getting reasonably cheap. It takes about 2.5-3k to make 400 wheel in one of those cars.... And if you get a CPO and know how to mod it, everything is warrantied until 100k or so. Food for thought.

[!Zar!]

I have niether and care smallly. so smally that I've used a word that's not even a word.

What problems did they have? Isolated case? I know someone first hand that has a 1-series and they have had NO issues with it.

Do remember, people love to complain. When things are going right they keep quiet.

[dragonbreath]

The z34 isn't selling well because like someone said above people are broke. Not to mention we're having to deal with the lower dollar to yen rate that makes these cars more expensive than they should be.

Also I wouldnt call the HR 350z or the 370z slow. They aren't fast but they aren't slow either. Yeah if you are used to driving 50-60k dollar cars they probably are, but the Z's are also thousands cheaper.

[!Zar!]

The z34 doesn't quite have a market, that is the problem with it.

The ft86 and the genesis coupe don't quite have a market either, but we'll see how it goes.

[driftsucky]

No no no. Not the 1 series. We've already established that to be a woman's car. 3 series is the car I quoted. I have friends with issues with the turbo because (they say) the FMIC is horribly designed. I don't know enough about bimmers nor care enough about always going fast to ask them cuz that just opens the door for them to talk my ear off about things I don't care about. Plus, an FMIC with mandrel bent tubing can only be so poorly designed. I mean, the intercooler itself I guess could suck, but how hard is that to do really? And it's bimmer. I'm sure they're ok at doing that. At any rate, this would be a great suggestion to the OP who cares about a car he's not going to buy.

[Driftnaut]

Stop comparing Japanese car to mustangs, there are very few 40 year old women here and they are the only ones who dove them here. We probably wouldn't be so annoyed with Nissan for denying us an s-chassis if we had gotten the s-15

[raz0rbladez909]

Stop comparing Japanese car to mustangs, there are very few 40 year old women here and they are the only ones who dove them here. We probably wouldn't be so annoyed with Nissan for denying us an s-chassis if we had gotten the s-15

What's wrong with comparing them? You have to be an idiot to think that older women are the only people to buy mustangs.

[Bambi]

edit: Let myself care. Never care on the internet.

[Drifting Kalamari]

Sorry, was my mistake stating that the G25 had a 4-cyl, I know it's a 2.5l V6. I meant it'd be small like the 2.5L V6 if not a 4-cylinder. And then they'd call it a 250z or something.

If the S13 did so well and continued to sell in Japan even after they discontinued in the US, why can't they bring it back? Nissan knows it'll sell, as long as the price tag isn't too steep. Most of us 240 owners are not very rich and usually get second hand cars as to really supporting the Motor Company by buying new.

[MrSanchez925]

The V6 isn't even that great, it's good, but nothing amazing. A lighter chassis with a presumably higher revving turbo charged 4 cylinder would be funner vs having a light chassis and a heavy ass V6 that likes guzzling gas and cries at the thought of being boosted. Now I'm saying this for this new "leaner Z," I'm not saying the current Z should have a 4 banger.

the VQ is a great engine, and is very capable, especially the HR.

and the fact that they would even think about putting a 4cyl in a z is crazy.

that would KILL the Z lineage imo. it wouldn't be a "z" any longer....

[dat925stunna]

theres probly a FD one being built now

[Bambi]

the VQ is a great engine, and is very capable, especially the HR.

and the fact that they would even think about putting a 4cyl in a z is crazy.

that would KILL the Z lineage imo. it wouldn't be a "z" any longer....
The VQ is a great NA engine. But it takes a lot of money to make it boosted and reliable. HR is fantastic but an expensive engine to begin with.


If the S13 did so well and continued to sell in Japan even after they discontinued in the US, why can't they bring it back? Nissan knows it'll sell, as long as the price tag isn't too steep.
If Nissan 'knows' it'll sell than they would be selling it. They've already said that they haven't because there wasn't a large enough market. That was pre-BRZ/FRS and the economy wasn't in the greatest shape either (not that it's fantastic right now).

Most 240sx owners can't afford a new "240sx" or will wait for a few years to pass to buy a used one.

Oh and also there's a reason the s chassis continued in Japan after it was discontinued in the US: it sold better in Japan.

[keidu]

This new 240 better be on a diet

[dorkidori_s13]

Most 240sx owners can't afford a new "240sx" or will wait for a few years to pass to buy a used one.

Oh and also there's a reason the s chassis continued in Japan after it was discontinued in the US: it sold better in Japan.

there are plenty of 240sx owners (both past and current) that are now old enough and make the bank roll to easily to afford a sub 25k car. those of us who have spent over the last decade building them and enjoying them are the ones who would be buying the brand new S chassis IF it ever bows. Nissan is losing its market share to the likes of Toyota, Scion, Subaru and Hyundai. At the moment, should Nissan NOT have a new S Chassis out within the next 2 years, I see the Hyundai Genesis 2.0t R-Spec as my next car purchase.

and your last sentence is completely wrong. Nissan stopped selling the S Chassis in this country due to a few reasons. 1) the s15 would take too much work and money to function with the KA24de engine setup. 2) the rising yen to dollar ratio is why ALL JDM car makers pulled out their major sportscars in 95-98 era that were JDM produced. 3) Nissan was on the verge of bankruptcy and really couldnt afford to make any more mistakes. 1999 was when Renault purchase 40% of Nissan and Carlos Ghosn started taking over. Nissan was in BIG trouble worldwide and plans to wind down its overwhelming and underselling product line began (this INCLUDED Japan). Nissan couldnt afford to convert the S15 to work in the US market (if you understand the mechanics of the car, youll understand why im saying this)

so contrary to your statement, the S Chassis was nixed completely from the US lineup, just like the 300zx, due to budget and world wide currency exchange rates.

[ixfxi]

the other thing people fail to understand is, that cars like the 240sx are not a cash cow for car manufacturers. baby / people movers, like the <altima> <maxima> <camry> <corolla> <prius> - thats how they cash in, not sports cars.... unless we're talking something that sold by the boatload, like the miata... that was a cheap and good attempt.

we'll see what will happen with the frz/brz... i like the cars, but i totally think they're cashing in on the "ae86" thing. its just a light-weight sports-car, thats it. but gaddamn, that engine bay looks too crammed.

[Bushido]

went by the scion dealership, the sleezeball salesman told me they are getting 36,000 all day for them.

[dragonbreath]

went by the scion dealership, the sleezeball salesman told me they are getting 36,000 all day for them.

Gotta be bs. 36000 can get you a much better car than the FRS.

[raz0rbladez909]

went by the scion dealership, the sleezeball salesman told me they are getting 36,000 all day for them.

I would call scion on that one and report the dealership so quick, they're fining the shit out of any dealer who is trying to add a markup on them. The only work around is if they add a shitload of accessories. But that'd have to be over 11,000 in accessories for that price!

[fliprayzin240sx]

the other thing people fail to understand is, that cars like the 240sx are not a cash cow for car manufacturers. baby / people movers, like the <altima> <maxima> <camry> <corolla> <prius> - thats how they cash in, not sports cars.... unless we're talking something that sold by the boatload, like the miata... that was a cheap and good attempt.

we'll see what will happen with the frz/brz... i like the cars, but i totally think they're cashing in on the "ae86" thing. its just a light-weight sports-car, thats it. but gaddamn, that engine bay looks too crammed.

Its actually not that cramped. Without the turbo setup on it, it reminded me alot of a damn RX-8 engine bay. There's more emissions stuff hanging around than engine itself.

As far as Nissan pulling the S15 off the US market. Would you really wanna import it when less than 6000 were sold in the last 2 yrs (2100 in 98). It wouldnt be that hard to slap another KA into the chassis since the S15 and S14 were pretty identical in alot of aspects.

[DJ-of-E]

Its actually not that cramped. Without the turbo setup on it, it reminded me alot of a damn RX-8 engine bay. There's more emissions stuff hanging around than engine itself.

As far as Nissan pulling the S15 off the US market. Would you really wanna import it when less than 6000 were sold in the last 2 yrs (2100 in 98). It wouldnt be that hard to slap another KA into the chassis since the S15 and S14 were pretty identical in alot of aspects.

That and Nissan didnt want to spent major R&D to develop a turbo engine for s15 to pass for U.S. and some European countries during that time period. In the U.S., the market was either Hondas or Mustangs. Even then, the volume of sales declined after 2000. Nissan had a good call with the 350z, but a normal mass buyer treats their car like a appliance than experiencing "driving." Hell ask some people how they described as regular maintenance and they say washing the car is top of their list noy even mentioned changing the oil.

[bluezenkis14]

I just recently picked up a 370 and absolutely love pretty much everything about it I think they should just revive the s chassis and continue with the v6 in the z leave the turbo to the s chassis and leave the z alone.... I for one am so glad I got rid of my Sr and went with the vq way more reliable and no turbo problems

[ixfxi]

you know


this fucking thread could have been closed a LONG time ago.


ATTENTION NISSAN

car owners in the USA want one thing:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Nissan_Silvia_S15_001.JPG

Seriously.

How fucking stupid are the people working at NISSAN?

You guys made something great and never offered it here in the States. Examples:
- Skyline GT-R
- S15 Silvia

Now the Skyline (dropped) ahem GTR is selling very well, congratulations. Ever thought about us normal human beings who dont spend upwards of 100k on a car? Those of us who have NO fucking interest in dual clutch automatics. Those of us who enjoy tuning and building our cars, you know.. the ones that bother your parts department almost weekly for parts to fix our pieces of shit? Thats us, thats the 99%-ers.

So, do us all a fucking favor. Give us an updated version of the 180SX and/or Silvia, NA and Turbo option... just like in Japan. I dont see how hard this is, its not like you didnt do it before. Oh yeah, you guys almost went bankrupt back then. Well, learn from your mistakes and move on.

[bluezenkis14]

you know


this fucking thread could have been closed a LONG time ago.


ATTENTION NISSAN

car owners in the USA want one thing:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Nissan_Silvia_S15_001.JPG

Seriously.

How fucking stupid are the people working at NISSAN?

You guys made something great and never offered it here in the States. Examples:
- Skyline GT-R
- S15 Silvia

Now the Skyline (dropped) ahem GTR is selling very well, congratulations. Ever thought about us normal human beings who dont spend upwards of 100k on a car? Those of us who have NO fucking interest in dual clutch automatics. Those of us who enjoy tuning and building our cars, you know.. the ones that bother your parts department almost weekly for parts to fix our pieces of shit? Thats us, thats the 99%-ers.

So, do us all a fucking favor. Give us an updated version of the 180SX and/or Silvia, NA and Turbo option... just like in Japan. I dont see how hard this is, its not like you didnt do it before. Oh yeah, you guys almost went bankrupt back then. Well, learn from your mistakes and move on.

You see the one thing you don't know is that nissan wanted to bring those cars into the states but the one and only thing holding it back was the American organization that dealt with imported cars at the time. They said that they didn't want them here because they would "out perform the
American cars for the price" or something along those those lines.
So before you go and blame Nissan for something stupid like that think twice and think of how fucked up and arrogant this country is especially with imported cars

[dorkidori_s13]

You see the one thing you don't know is that nissan wanted to bring those cars into the states but the one and only thing holding it back was the American organization that dealt with imported cars at the time. They said that they didn't want them here because they would "out perform the
American cars for the price" or something along those those lines.
So before you go and blame Nissan for something stupid like that think twice and think of how fucked up and arrogant this country is especially with imported cars


wrong

the GTR never came here because of problems with the LHD steering rack + twin turbo setup. there were plans to release the R32 GTR here, but when nissan started running into some major issues with the turbos hitting the steering rack during hard cornering, they scrapped the idea as they didnt want to convert the car to single turbo.

the S chassis never got the CA18det/SR20det not because of emissions, but because of performance issues against the Z. the Z was always the top tier sports car in this country and nissan didnt want the S chassis beating the crap out of the in a performance and pricing standpoint, so we got stuck with the KA series engines. The GTR was the balance of the 3 sports cars, and since we were lacking it, the S chassis got the performance hit we all had to suffer thru with.

both pieces of information above came directly from a higher up i knew at nissan for a few years. he worked for them for over 30 years and was on the product committee that planned out bringing the S13 here as well as the possible GTR importation.

[bluezenkis14]

Wrong? Go look it up for yourself

[dorkidori_s13]

Wrong? Go look it up for yourself

yes, wrong. im not going to argue with you kid. my information came straight from the sources mouth (a director level executive at nissan of north america), not from some random source on the internet. therefore i dont really need to look anything else up on the subject when i have the detailed and exact answer already in hand.

keep in mind that some of us on zilvia have been around for a very long time and have made it a point to push for and source information from people who were actually involved with the S chassis.

and ps, japanese car performance vs american car performance had NOTHING to do with what was sold here. in the late 80s and all thru the 90s, it was VERY common for JDM/EDM cars to beat up on the american competition. hell the 240z romped the corvette all day long when it was relased, did the federal government stop allowing it to be imported? NOPE!

[ghoti]

the S chassis never got the CA18det/SR20det not because of emissions, but because of performance issues against the Z.

IIRC we got the CA18det on the S12 in the US....

[Hoffman5982]

Wrong? Go look it up for yourself
Dude, shut the fuck up. Why don't you provide sources to back up your idiotic claims? That's right, it's because they don't exist.


IIRC we got the CA18det on the S12 in the US....

Close. The s12 got CA18ET

[ixfxi]

You see the one thing you don't know is that nissan wanted to bring those cars into the states but the one and only thing holding it back was the American organization that dealt with imported cars at the time. They said that they didn't want them here because they would "out perform the
American cars for the price" or something along those those lines.
So before you go and blame Nissan for something stupid like that think twice and think of how fucked up and arrogant this country is especially with imported cars

WRONG


the GTR never came here because of problems with the LHD steering rack + twin turbo setup. there were plans to release the R32 GTR here, but when nissan started running into some major issues with the turbos hitting the steering rack during hard cornering, they scrapped the idea as they didnt want to convert the car to single turbo.

the S chassis never got the CA18det/SR20det not because of emissions, but because of performance issues against the Z. the Z was always the top tier sports car in this country and nissan didnt want the S chassis beating the crap out of the in a performance and pricing standpoint, so we got stuck with the KA series engines. The GTR was the balance of the 3 sports cars, and since we were lacking it, the S chassis got the performance hit we all had to suffer thru with.

both pieces of information above came directly from a higher up i knew at nissan for a few years. he worked for them for over 30 years and was on the product committee that planned out bringing the S13 here as well as the possible GTR importation.

RIGHT

in addition, I own a NISSAN Z book which goes through the lineage from 240Z to 350Z and the trials and tribulations involved. dorkidori is absolutely right, it was a matter of eliminating cars that would take away from the Z, both turbo and non-turbo... and convertible. A faster S-chassis would have pulled sales, and a GTR (among other reasons previously stated) would also pull sales.

they did the right thing by releasing the R35 as a much more expensive car than the Z32-TT... (comparing apples with oranges though), but price-wise there is no competition between the former and current... even performance-wise. they're just different in every way.

so thats the reason why no turbo and no S15. though today, I think it would be entirely possible... but, I highly doubt it. Not because they cant, but if you ask me... someone who works daily on cars, I dont think the cost-cutting Ghosn business model of sharing practically EVERY part will allow them to sell a 2L turbo light-weight sportscar. Back then, there were a lot of little changes between all of the cars. Sure they shared parts, but there were A LOT of different part numbers. Anyone who works at a nissan parts department can verify how many different PNs exist between ALMOST the same parts amongst the various different vehicles.

anyway... that was then, that was why there were financial difficulties. imo, those days are gone.

[HyperTek]

hope they cater it towards drifting, come with welded lsd, 300hp and under 20k.


lmao

[xilovelsdx]

lol welded lsd? wtf??

[Bambi]

lol welded lsd? wtf??

It's some future car shit, bro. You wouldn't understand.

[slydin240sx]

lol welded lsd? wtf??

Because racecar bro.

[ghoti]

hope they cater it towards drifting, come with welded lsd, 300hp and under 20k.


lmao


lmao

enphasis on the LMAO:doh:

[ilovecars97]

uhhhhh, who cares? speculation is boring, what a lame thread. Post stuff when real prototypes come out.

Thought I was going to see real stuff here, just trial and tribulation. Nothing to see here folks waste of time to read thru it.

[ixfxi]

hey 1 post


shut the fuck up.

[S14Serge]

^^^^^LMFAO!!! But on a serious note, hey one post shut the fuck up for real!

[Mycah Leonhart]

This is my first post in a long, long time lol - About 4 years.

The #1 thing that kept the S15 from coming here were S14 Sales that car only sold well in Japan, Oz and NZ.

S14 sales in the US make the 370Z US sales look good - Point blank. I know some of you guys may be too young to remember this but the S13 was marketed as an "Entry Level Sports Car" in the US but then the S14 was trying to be marketed as an "Entry Level Luxury Coupe" - A poor man's SC300/400 if you will. And we all see just how well THAT plan worked.

The 2015 Z (Z35) will be playing double duty as both an S and a Z. It'll have "S" size, and amenities but will have "Z" Power. Looks wise Nissan is finally going "Modern Retro" with the Z ala the Muscle Car Gang. It will be the rebirth of the Datsun 240Z. It's going to be an Esflow with a 240Z face.

http://b.img-zemotoring.com/media/news/2011/03/nissan-esflow-15.jpg

Nissan Fairlady aka Datsun 240Z - Jay Leno's Garage - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV505LKqU_4)

Glad I could clear that up a bit for you guys.

[Bambi]

Zero Emission? Just burn it now.

[Frank_Jaeger]

http://b.img-zemotoring.com/media/news/2011/03/nissan-esflow-15.jpg

If you squint your eyes, it's a shoe.

[jesse_s13]

If you squint your eyes, it's a shoe.

Needs more trunk:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

[drift freaq]

This is my first post in a long, long time lol - About 4 years.

The #1 thing that kept the S15 from coming here were S14 Sales that car only sold well in Japan, Oz and NZ.

S14 sales in the US make the 370Z US sales look good - Point blank. I know some of you guys may be too young to remember this but the S13 was marketed as an "Entry Level Sports Car" in the US but then the S14 was trying to be marketed as an "Entry Level Luxury Coupe" - A poor man's SC300/400 if you will. And we all see just how well THAT plan worked.

The 2015 Z (Z35) will be playing double duty as both an S and a Z. It'll have "S" size, and amenities but will have "Z" Power. Looks wise Nissan is finally going "Modern Retro" with the Z ala the Muscle Car Gang. It will be the rebirth of the Datsun 240Z. It's going to be an Esflow with a 240Z face.

http://b.img-zemotoring.com/media/news/2011/03/nissan-esflow-15.jpg

Nissan Fairlady aka Datsun 240Z - Jay Leno's Garage - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV505LKqU_4)

Glad I could clear that up a bit for you guys.


Excuse me, what you have posted above is nothing more than a concept car. Until something is actually dropped, you are speculating. Just like everyone else including Jay Leno, who even emphasized he was speculating. Plus you don't know anything about this double duty bullshit, that is strictly your idea only.
On top of that the S15 was not brought here because like others have already posted in this thread Nissan was in a state of near bankruptcy. It was costing them to much to manufacture the S15 period for what it was selling for even in Japan and the UK and Australia and NZ.
They could never have afforded to bring it to the U.S. The whole S chassis factory line was an old out of date production line. It was the same factory that the Skylines were coming out of . Nissan closed that factory under Ghosn and sold off the equipment in 2001. The new Skylines were reintroduced in 2003 and came of the same assembly line as the 350Z.
Only the GTR has a specialized production line separate at this time. All Infiniti G series/Skylines in Japan and Z's roll off the same assembly line now.

Now that you are set straight on that.

It is actually time for a chassis change on the Z. By 2014 model year, which actually drops in August 2013 Nissan will have been making the Z34 for 5 years. Given the sales numbers of the 370's compared to the 350's they will push to do something. That is a given and given that it is Nissan's 80th Anniversary there is a push to do something special and a Retro styled Z honoring the 240Z would be a big plus.
So yes there is something going but beyond what Jay Leno showed and the concept car above you have absolutely no concrete idea.

Please don't come here coming off as authority on it because you know nothing more and it seems actually less than the the rest of us. lol

[dorkidori_s13]

thank you freaq, i <3 you :)

at first i was all :picardfp: but then after what your wrote i was all :hug:

[driftsucky]

Just a quick question for all of you...and consider this. We (i.e. this forum and gearheads like us) make up a small portion of the market. Sports cars will never be the bread and butter of any company and hence, most manufactures have 2..at best. Also, how many of us will actually be willing to pay for a $25k car...i.e. make payments as well as modifications?

All that said, do any of you think Nissan would do well with marketing an S chassis (rebirth) and a Z chassis? Technically, Nissan has 2 sports cars now; the GTR and the Z. Would enough people get behind a 3rd sports car in their lineup? As an enthusiast, I ask myself this question a lot. I work at dealership so I get to see both ends. I get to see manufacturers throw vehicles at the market and I get to see customers come in and ask why wasn't this done or that done, but as an enthusiast, sometimes I ask the same question.

For instance, why not bring the Focus RS to our shores? Why just the ST? Is there a market for that vehicle? According to the forums, there is, but when you look at the hard numbers of Evo and STI sales, they barely make a dent in the respective manufacturers product line. Plenty of Lancers and WRX's running around though. Even when looking at Nissan, the GTR doesn't account for a much of their profit margin. IT sold respectively well (and, most buyers on the east coast, anyway, lease it according to numbers), but it is not a cash cow for Nissan. The Altima, Versa, and Cube are really the bread and butter.

Even Toyota's Scion line, now with an FR-S. How well does it REALLY do? You've seen them at shows and on our favorite stance and automotive sites, but is it keeping up with the much less expensive and equally as nice tC and xB, neither of which are performance based models, but come well equipped for less money?

Just a question because I know most "car guys" never think of the business side of what goes into the cars that companies actually shoot down the production line.

[Twinkies!]

The V6 isn't even that great, it's good, but nothing amazing. A lighter chassis with a presumably higher revving turbo charged 4 cylinder would be funner vs having a light chassis and a heavy ass V6 that likes guzzling gas and cries at the thought of being boosted. Now I'm saying this for this new "leaner Z," I'm not saying the current Z should have a 4 banger.

v6's have alot of potential, they may be heavy but their lighter than an inline 6 and they run cooler than and inline 6, never underestimate a v6

[feito]

Just a quick question for all of you...and consider this. We (i.e. this forum and gearheads like us) make up a small portion of the market. Sports cars will never be the bread and butter of any company and hence, most manufactures have 2..at best. Also, how many of us will actually be willing to pay for a $25k car...i.e. make payments as well as modifications?

All that said, do any of you think Nissan would do well with marketing an S chassis (rebirth) and a Z chassis? Technically, Nissan has 2 sports cars now; the GTR and the Z. Would enough people get behind a 3rd sports car in their lineup? As an enthusiast, I ask myself this question a lot. I work at dealership so I get to see both ends. I get to see manufacturers throw vehicles at the market and I get to see customers come in and ask why wasn't this done or that done, but as an enthusiast, sometimes I ask the same question.

For instance, why not bring the Focus RS to our shores? Why just the ST? Is there a market for that vehicle? According to the forums, there is, but when you look at the hard numbers of Evo and STI sales, they barely make a dent in the respective manufacturers product line. Plenty of Lancers and WRX's running around though. Even when looking at Nissan, the GTR doesn't account for a much of their profit margin. IT sold respectively well (and, most buyers on the east coast, anyway, lease it according to numbers), but it is not a cash cow for Nissan. The Altima, Versa, and Cube are really the bread and butter.

Even Toyota's Scion line, now with an FR-S. How well does it REALLY do? You've seen them at shows and on our favorite stance and automotive sites, but is it keeping up with the much less expensive and equally as nice tC and xB, neither of which are performance based models, but come well equipped for less money?

Just a question because I know most "car guys" never think of the business side of what goes into the cars that companies actually shoot down the production line.

i think u hit the nailed on the head with that one. What the fuck are most of us waiting on a new s-chassis for anyway? Just to watch pix online and jerk off to them? To wait some 5-10 years till the value goes down then "maybe" buy one? Honestly I doubt many of us in here could afford to buy one (including myself) if it ever comes out. Im sure most of us in here own 240s because that's all we can afford..
But hey, who knows, i might just have a waaaay better job then n be able to afford it!!! So yeahhh, bring it on bitches!!

[dagger]

i might sound a little noob-ish, but like why nissan just not produce s13s, s14s, n s15s like on request?

[Nissanman09]

Think after i get a 5.0 ill just get a Genesis 4 banger or v6 and use it as a daily.

[Bambi]

i might sound a little noob-ish, but like why nissan just not produce s13s, s14s, n s15s like on request?

You sound troll-ish. :loco:

[FU12]

i might sound a little noob-ish, but like why nissan just not produce s13s, s14s, n s15s like on request?

Because if they did they'd HAVE to charge much more than ppl who drive 240s are willing to pay. It costs a lot of money to stop a production line to make one vehicle. Programming welds, mapping tolerances, blah blah blah. Much more trouble than its worth.

[dorkidori_s13]

because some of us are brand whores would like to own a brand new S chassis that requires no mods or work just to make it a "normal" car.

there are SOME folks on here who had the opportunity to purchase a brand new one back in the 90s, but the MAJORITY of us have only ever owned someone elses abused entry level sports coupe that we have to pour tons of money into. now dont get me wrong, i LOVE my s13, and i will ALWAYS love s13s (ive only owned 5 of them), but i would happily go into debt to drive one off the lot, brand new, with zero milage, a full warranty, AIR CONDITIONING and zero issues! oh, and the fact that i can take care of it and love it from its humble beginnings.

and to answer someones question above about the FRS/BRZ, uh, dood, scion AND subaru cant keep them on the lot, PERIOD! the scion dealership near my work is COMPLETELY pre-sold (aka sold out) until next february. and from my understand, there are quite a few dealerships that have this issue on the west coast (not ALL scion dealerships get them btw, not gonna get into why)

[dorkidori_s13]

Because if they did they'd HAVE to charge much more than ppl who drive 240s are willing to pay. It costs a lot of money to stop a production line to make one vehicle. Programming welds, mapping tolerances, blah blah blah. Much more trouble than its worth.


oh and the fact that they cannot be legally produced anymore due to safety standards and emission ratings for new cars lol :picardfp:

[driftsucky]

because some of us are brand whores would like to own a brand new S chassis that requires no mods or work just to make it a "normal" car.

there are SOME folks on here who had the opportunity to purchase a brand new one back in the 90s, but the MAJORITY of us have only ever owned someone elses abused entry level sports coupe that we have to pour tons of money into. now dont get me wrong, i LOVE my s13, and i will ALWAYS love s13s (ive only owned 5 of them), but i would happily go into debt to drive one off the lot, brand new, with zero milage, a full warranty, AIR CONDITIONING and zero issues! oh, and the fact that i can take care of it and love it from its humble beginnings.

and to answer someones question above about the FRS/BRZ, uh, dood, scion AND subaru cant keep them on the lot, PERIOD! the scion dealership near my work is COMPLETELY pre-sold (aka sold out) until next february. and from my understand, there are quite a few dealerships that have this issue on the west coast (not ALL scion dealerships get them btw, not gonna get into why)

I FULLY understand what you're saying and I agree with you. I've had 3 S-chassis and I love them. I would have my 4th but I opted for a G instead to get some aminities and keep in a fun Nissan RWD coupe (Z's are somehow more cramped than S-chassis and I'm a bit swole around the edges). Plus, it's getting hard to find an S that isn't all JDMBUTSEKZED priced. I think there are plenty of people that would and can buy a new S-chassis, but is it enough to make a dent is my question. Dealers not being able to hold onto the car is no correlation to how much profit there is in them. Especially when it's a somewhat limited production model vehicle.

For instance, my dealership is near the glenn (Watkins Glenn) and we have 2 major area Mustang clubs that do business here. Because of that, it is rare that we have a Mustang come off of the truck that isn't already sold. From V6 base all the way up to Shelby's and Boss's. We have not had a new Mustang sit on our lot for more than a week in a couple of years and if used ones sit, it's because we get them at odd times of the year (winter). So, if you're going by that alone, it would look like we sell SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many Mustangs. Truth is, we are just a Mustang hub. Many of our techs race, many of our customer base for that car has expendible income and can do that. Lastly, we have the walk-ins looking for Mustangs. And there's other dealerships in the area with the same issue. There's only 1 dealership in our area that I can think of (cuz we're all within 20-30 minutes of each other) that keep Mustangs year round and it's not because they get more than us or anyone else. I won't get into the reasons, but let's just say the customer experience there isn't always as desirable as one would like. Yet and still, Mustangs don't make up a large part of what we sell, even though we typically sell out quickly (and a few others in the area do as well). You will always find F150's and Super Duties in our area, but those outsell Mustangs 2 to 1.

So, all that said, not keeping a limited production vehicle on the lot isn't neccessarily an indicator to how much of an impact it makes on the overall profit margin of the manufacturer.

I fully agree with a keeping lightweight affordable RWD sports coupes in the market because I'm an enthusiast and I like'em. If I didn't buy a brand new S-chassis RIGHT NOW, it would simply be because purchasing a coupe with 2 kids in pre-school and kindergarden is hard to justify. Getting the wife to sign off on me getting the G was a tough move so that will be a mainstay for quite some time before I get another "toy". However, if it stayed in the line-up, I'd eventually get one and get a new one.

Just trying to throw out some other angles to the argument is all.

[BossHogg]

^^^^ the whole family + kids thing does not matter. That is a variable that is always in the real world and is a choice left to the consumer. I remember when I was a kid, my family would take long ass road trips (mom, dad, little bro and me) in a 1992 240sx SE hatch. That included hockey tournament trips. Now once we got older/bigger, we went through plenty of pathfinders and frontiers. It would be so terribly easy for nissan to market a new a s-chassis. The commercial would have to consist of footage of the history of the S, some road race, drifting, yet still show the "fun" of it in street (factory) trim. Much like they did with the Z. Then show the all new S car......it all solely depends on if they can get the styling and overall build right. It would bring back old, current, and new enthusiasts. I'd bet on it. That doesn't even include the random people just wanting a new a car. I for one, would be on the waiting list. You're dealing with nissan here, they know what they are doing. Then there would be a s13, g35, 350z and new S chassis in my family lol. To bad we sold the z32.

[driftsucky]

^^^^ the whole family + kids thing does not matter. That is a variable that is always in the real world and is a choice left to the consumer...

Very true. And most consumers lean towards a car that will accomdate that load.

I think it's safe to say that most of the people on this board would line up for a new S-chassis. I honestly think it would be a nice fresh face in the Nissan line and probably start a regeneration of fun car tuning..especially given that would make 4 (counting the FRS & BRZ seperate) solid affordable RWD coupes and a 3 very capable upper level RWD coupes (G37, Z34, Stang) to feed the need.

Again, I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying. But, just wondering about the more practical business side.

[BossHogg]

yea I see what your saying. But look at the Z, its a two seater and they sell like hotcakes. So I'm sure a new entry level sports car WITH a back seat would actually sway some "would be" z buyers into the new S chassis because they now have a rwd sporty car that can, if needed, take the kids to daycare. Full fills the sports car feel. Not to mention, it should be cheaper than a Z.

[usdm180sx]

I drove a 370z. It's fun but HEAVY. Lightweight + simple +Turbo = MOST FUN

[scottie]

Some of the arguments are a mute point. No one should argue the S chassis is Nissan's breadwinner. Sports coupes will NEVER be a big companies main source of income. They will always be the more practical lines, especially those with low entry level cost. Even back in the 90's when the S13/S14 were produced Nissan sold more Altimas. Nissan doesn't produce a GTR for strong market share. Same with the Corvette, Shelby Cobra, Viper, etc... Companies produce these vehicles because (1) they showcase their abilities & (2) they have enthusiast who will buy it. Subaru knows it will sell 5-10 Outbacks to every BRZ. Why would they still produce it? Because they recognize the market is there for this type of vehicle. Results? I know every single one in Oklahoma was presold for near sticker. The only one I found was an automatic where the buyer backed out last minute. Since numbers are limited Subaru has been very successful going to market. So to me Nissan has no excuse as this type of vehicle is right in their wheelhouse.

[OBEEWON]

350Z IS the new 240sx.

Genesis is actually a pretty great car. Will probably buy one at some point, then grow up and buy a Maybach.

[enkei2k]

yea I see what your saying. But look at the Z, its a two seater and they sell like hotcakes.


2009
13,117

2010
10,215

2011
7328

2012 YTD *
6099


I'm not sure if you consider these numbers as selling like hotcakes.

[markfitz14]

I drove a 370z. It's fun but HEAVY. Lightweight + simple +Turbo = MOST FUN

I agree man the Z is sweet but a little heavy. But can putting a 4cyl in lower the weight enough to get close to the FRS weight of 2800lbs?

[dorkidori_s13]

Some of the arguments are a mute point.


even a moot one too ;)

[scottie]

even a moot one too ;)

:werd: I am going to stop posting with Apple products. Auto correct owns me.

[DRIFTER-M]

Why do people always question "will anybody here actually spend 25k on a new car" or "who here is actually in a position to make payments?".

Like, DUH - most people probably spend a few thousand yearly simply keeping their abused s-chassis running.

Tis why I bought a 2.0t R-Spec Genesis.

And still had a s-chassis.

Most people with a regular job can afford payments. If Nissan introduced a new S, you bet I would buy it. As would a ton of members here who have grown up.

[drift freaq]

The V6 isn't even that great, it's good, but nothing amazing. A lighter chassis with a presumably higher revving turbo charged 4 cylinder would be funner vs having a light chassis and a heavy ass V6 that likes guzzling gas and cries at the thought of being boosted. Now I'm saying this for this new "leaner Z," I'm not saying the current Z should have a 4 banger.

Wow I am surprised I let this misinformation get by. You really need to check your facts before speaking. The VQ35 has a loaded weight of an SR.
Its not a heavy ass engine. Its trans is indeed heavier but guess what so is a Z32 trans and people love using those off the back of their SR's for its strength. Plus if you do add weight you want it be in the trans as its centered in the center of the car.
Now on to your obviously ignorant boost statements. Truth be told the VQHR engine was built for boosting, pretty much all its revisions make more desirable for boost.
Now the problem lies in the weight of the car its installed in. If the car was 500lbs lighter it would be pretty damn cool and no one would be crying. On top of that its not exactly Gas guzzling. Did you forget our cars came with KA's that average 25 mph? Lucky ones pull 27 mph on the freeway while only pushing 155HP. LOL

The VQ35 will turn in 25 mph on the freeway and around 20 city and is pushing 287 in DE form and 306 in HR form and 337 VQ37 form. Hmm a lot more HP for a little less reliable NA power.

[BossHogg]

2009
13,117

2010
10,215

2011
7328

2012 YTD *
6099


I'm not sure if you consider these numbers as selling like hotcakes.

way to go, you forgot 6 more years of production.......2003 son.
2003..... 36,728
2004..... 30,690
2005..... 27,278
2006..... 24,635
2007..... 18,957
2008..... 10,337
2009..... 13,117
2010..... 10,215
2011..... 7,328

Total 350Zs... 149,625 (03-08 models)

Total 350/370Zs ... 30,660 (09-11 models)

Total 180,285

You can add in 2012. Not bad for a car with virtually 0 family use and costs a decent amount in today's standards. Of course the end of years will be declining....most of that market has already bought one in a previous year (it's almost been a decade.....) or will buy a used one. It's just that simple.

[driftsucky]

Why do people always question "will anybody here actually spend 25k on a new car" or "who here is actually in a position to make payments?".

Like, DUH - most people probably spend a few thousand yearly simply keeping their abused s-chassis running.

Tis why I bought a 2.0t R-Spec Genesis.

And still had a s-chassis.

Most people with a regular job can afford payments. If Nissan introduced a new S, you bet I would buy it. As would a ton of members here who have grown up.


It's not about who is in a position to make payments. It's about who will actually DO it. I meet people in a position to make payments EVERY DAY!!!! Not all of them make those payments..hence, their interest rates are 24.99% lol. Then, I meet other people in a position to make payments and still don't WANT to make payments on their new car. People here 13itch and moan about a 5k S13 or a 9k S14. What would make them buy a 25k Sxx? Just sayin

I think a lot of good points have been made, but the "Z sells like hotcakes" and "members here will buy it" may not be the most accurate statements. lol

Total 180,285
Uhhhhhh...yeah. 180k in 10+ years. I mean...I GUESS that's good...right? I mean, for a country..right? And the people from 02/03...wouldn't they have wanted to upgrade by at least 10? The numbers dropped by like 1/3. But...well nevermind. It'll sell.


The VQ35 will turn in 25 mph on the freeway and around 20 city and is pushing 287 in DE form
on paper. lol. The hwy is pretty accurate, but in the city, without jackassery, I'm closer to 13-16. But, my car is heavy and older so I'm sure that factors in.

[Bambi]

Wow I am surprised I let this misinformation get by. You really need to check your facts before speaking. The VQ35 has a loaded weight of an SR.
Its not a heavy ass engine. Its trans is indeed heavier but guess what so is a Z32 trans and people love using those off the back of their SR's for its strength. Plus if you do add weight you want it be in the trans as its centered in the center of the car.
Now on to your obviously ignorant boost statements. Truth be told the VQHR engine was built for boosting, pretty much all its revisions make more desirable for boost.
Now the problem lies in the weight of the car its installed in. If the car was 500lbs lighter it would be pretty damn cool and no one would be crying. On top of that its not exactly Gas guzzling. Did you forget our cars came with KA's that average 25 mph? Lucky ones pull 27 mph on the freeway while only pushing 155HP. LOL

The VQ35 will turn in 25 mph on the freeway and around 20 city and is pushing 287 in DE form and 306 in HR form and 337 VQ37 form. Hmm a lot more HP for a little less reliable NA power.

1. I wasn't referring to the HR.
2A. If an engine was "built for boost" then that would mean it comes boosted. Unless Nissan offers some factory turbo kit option I'm not aware of that the HR was "built" for.
2B. Just say it can handle da boost, bro.
3. Doing 25-27 miles per hour on a freeway doesn't seem okay.

[dorkidori_s13]

way to go, you forgot 6 more years of production.......2003 son.
2003..... 36,728
2004..... 30,690
2005..... 27,278
2006..... 24,635
2007..... 18,957
2008..... 10,337
2009..... 13,117
2010..... 10,215
2011..... 7,328

Total 350Zs... 149,625 (03-08 models)

Total 350/370Zs ... 30,660 (09-11 models)

Total 180,285

the thing i find funny is that in 10 years, the S chassis sold almost twice the amount the Z33/Z34 has

1989 - 68118
1990 - 60582
1991 - 34534
1992 - 27033
1993 - 21471
1994 - 1391
1995 - 25114
1996 - 7334
1997 - 3655
1998 - 2178

Total cars produced from 1989 to 1998: 251410

[dorkidori_s13]

3. Doing 25-27 miles per hour on a freeway doesn't seem okay.

honestly, 25-27mpg on the freeway in the 90s for a 2800lbs car that was 2.4 litres is honestly pretty damn good compared to cars today. it takes toyota half the displacement PLUS a battery pack to achieve about 1.5 times the freeway mileage in the prius (which is about 100-150lbs heavier than an s chassis).

[Marcus]

sorry this is from the last page, i havent been in this thread since page one.

but

If you squint your eyes, it's a shoe.


HAHAHAHA

[BossHogg]

the thing i find funny is that in 10 years, the S chassis sold almost twice the amount the Z33/Z34 has

1989 - 68118
1990 - 60582
1991 - 34534
1992 - 27033
1993 - 21471
1994 - 1391
1995 - 25114
1996 - 7334
1997 - 3655
1998 - 2178

Total cars produced from 1989 to 1998: 251410

Which it should have. It costs less and had more practical everyday use. Pretty much proves what I think, it will sell.

[jspecusa]

I lost all faith in Nissan when they went from Z32 to Z33/Z34.
There's not much performance gain between them, personally I actually
like the look of the Z32 over the new ones(It looks like a sport car).

Also, what kills it for me is when they only offer the R35 in auto and decide it to make
it big and heavy like the supra/3000gt.

After 20 years, Japan still can't come up with a car that's sexy and great handling as the FD3S.

[BossHogg]

Uhhhhhh...yeah. 180k in 10+ years. I mean...I GUESS that's good...right? I mean, for a country..right? And the people from 02/03...wouldn't they have wanted to upgrade by at least 10? The numbers dropped by like 1/3. But...well nevermind. It'll sell.



A lot changes in 10 years.....people have kids or whatever else happens in life. The car becomes impractical to their "new" life style etc. Not to mention, hard times in society. I mean what are you basing your sales off of for something to be considered "good"? Its a highly selective market for a 2 seater car that costs a decent amount. Makes perfect sense to me. Give me another car manufacturer with a car like the Z that sold more for the same price tag. Most people are buying family sedans/suvs when it comes to 30+k. So yea, I would say it was a success. You see them everywhere, if you live in actual society and not some po-dunk small town. Anyways, I could care less really. If a new s16 comes out and maintains the S car basics/purpose, ill buy it cash and start modding it. But that's just what I'd do.

[ReEducation]

A new, redesigned S-chassis would undoubtedly sell better than the Z, but it would take more than a new, sleek body style with an SR20. If they came out with an S16, it would probably cost in the neighborhood of 25-30k USD for base model. The SR is a great engine, but who is really gonna pay that much for fresh new S16 with an engine that ultimately been around for over 20 years? Now an S16 with a MR18DET/MR20DET would be interesting or even a QR25DET. Give it a T28 or even a small T3 size turbo and a good factory tune. I could see that overtaking the market

[dorkidori_s13]

A new, redesigned S-chassis would undoubtedly sell better than the Z, but it would take more than a new, sleek body style with an SR20. If they came out with an S16, it would probably cost in the neighborhood of 25-30k USD for base model. The SR is a great engine, but who is really gonna pay that much for fresh new S16 with an engine that ultimately been around for over 20 years? Now an S16 with a MR18DET/MR20DET would be interesting or even a QR25DET. Give it a T28 or even a small T3 size turbo and a good factory tune. I could see that overtaking the market

this post seriously made me want to punch baby jesus thru a plate glass window while eating a cheeze sangwich. :picardfp:

if youre going to post in this thread, please do it with information that actually CONTRIBUTES to the "mini Z" rumors, not something that has been covered a million times in previous threads which is completely asinine

[Bambi]

this post seriously made me want to punch baby jesus thru a plate glass window while eating a cheeze sangwich. :picardfp


Wow, bro.








What kind of cheese?

[dorkidori_s13]

limburger and swiss

[JKL1031]

Gotta be bs. 36000 can get you a much better car than the FRS.

You,,,you would pay $36000 for a lil 200hp RWD subaru???

The mini-z thing is not going to be the new Z.

The 2015 or so Z will be a Z, but will be turbo 4 as from what I can remember while I interned with the company. The whole idea is putting the "Z (not an S-anything) on a diet. Correct me if i'm wrong. the only problem I see is how will they get any of their turbo 4 engines above 300hp to be competitive or not take a huge power drop in the Z series.

And for the build old cars again dreamers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqRLIPFFWTM

[Bambi]

You,,,you would pay $36000 for a lil 200hp RWD subaru???

The mini-z thing is not going to be the new Z.

The 2015 or so Z will be a Z, but will be turbo 4 as from what I can remember while I interned with the company. The whole idea is putting the "Z (not an S-anything) on a diet. Correct me if i'm wrong. the only problem I see is how will they get any of their turbo 4 engines above 300hp to be worth it.

If you don't mind me asking, what did you intern as and where?

[JKL1031]

Process engineering at the Mississippi plant, just reading Company news emails,,nothing the public cant dig up.

[dorkidori_s13]

i HATE watching that fraking video! it reminds me that the magical days of cars are over and that i will NEVER own a brand new S13 :(

seriously, how f'n sick would it be to buy a brand new 180sx TypeX. no having to swap motors. no having to fix other peoples abuse to the car. no having to repaint the car after 20 years of sun abuse. just get it, throw an exhaust and some coilovers on it and enjoy it the way god intended, boosted and smog legal

anyone have a time machine they wanna lend me so i can go back 20 years to when cars were actually FUN instead of bloated and powered by batteries?

[K_style]

After 20 years, Japan still can't come up with a car that's sexy and great handling as the FD3S.

Yep, that's very sad true..:picardfp:

[Heytheremr2]

Why do people always question "will anybody here actually spend 25k on a new car" or "who here is actually in a position to make payments?".

Like, DUH - most people probably spend a few thousand yearly simply keeping their abused s-chassis running.

Tis why I bought a 2.0t R-Spec Genesis.

And still had a s-chassis.

Most people with a regular job can afford payments. If Nissan introduced a new S, you bet I would buy it. As would a ton of members here who have grown up.


This is very true :-/ But my problem is not having a well enough credit score for a dealership or bank to loan me the money for one :cry:

But whatever, I'm not gonna die for not having a car from this millennium. I'll just keep my old car and build my credit.

[EDacIouSX]

I lost all faith in Nissan when they went from Z32 to Z33/Z34.
There's not much performance gain between them, personally I actually
like the look of the Z32 over the new ones(It looks like a sport car).

Also, what kills it for me is when they only offer the R35 in auto and decide it to make
it big and heavy like the supra/3000gt.

After 20 years, Japan still can't come up with a car that's sexy and great handling as the FD3S.

i think the FRS is pretty hot, we'll have to see how the later kouki models may look if they do any revisions.

[jspecusa]

i think the FRS is pretty hot, we'll have to see how the later kouki models may look if they do any revisions.

Wrong motor- more modern 3sge beam motor about 250hp like s2000 would've been better.
The car has nice body line, just too much rice in the front and rear end like the 370z
It should've look almost like this

GRMN SPORTS FR Concept PLATINUM | (http://www.gazooracing.com/autosalon2013/carlist/sfcp.asp)