KA24DE Baffled Oil Pan - Gauging Interest [Archive] - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

sykikchimp

02-23-2004, 03:31 PM

I spoke with Dave at Arizona Z car, and he said they could build a baffled oil pan for the KA that would be a lot like the L series pan here:
http://www.arizonazcar.com/pan.html

He said it would likely run $300-400 (about the same as the on on the link.)

Who would be interested in something like this?

Bbandit

02-23-2004, 03:34 PM

link no workie for me :(

sykikchimp

02-23-2004, 03:56 PM

go to http://www.arizonazcar.com and go to "engine and Drivetrain" then go to "baffled oil pan"

sykikchimp

02-23-2004, 04:00 PM

http://www.arizonazcar.com/mini-05260008.JPGhttp://www.arizonazcar.com/mini-05260001.JPG
http://www.arizonazcar.com/mini-05260004.JPGhttp://www.arizonazcar.com/mini-05260005.JPGhttp://www.arizonazcar.com/mini-05260010.JPG
NEW arizonazcar.com cast aluminum oil pan for 1970-1978 NISSAN 240Z, 260Z, 280Z. This is a specially baffled pan designed to control the oil under extreme cornering, accelleration, and braking. To accomplish this it has 4 trap door baffles that only allow the oil to flow to the pickup and not away from it. The pan is a high strength casting that adds rigidity to the engine block. The deep fins on the bottom of the pan greatly increase oil cooling. This pan also adds about a quart of extra oil capacity. Also featured are 3 dash-8 plugs with o-ring for the oil drain , a turbo oil return, and an oil temp sender boss.

buzzclick

02-23-2004, 04:18 PM

ME. I do track days right currently and this would be a definite plus. Currently only running a stock ka but as my power and suspension increases I would like the peace of mind.

LanceS13

02-23-2004, 04:40 PM

I would love to see this happen, but I wouldn't be able to swing it 'til maybe later in the year. I was thinking of eventually using an accusump system, but this would be an easier route if it happens.

Bbandit

02-23-2004, 04:41 PM

will i be able to get one with the oil return nozzle tapped in?
if so I am interested! go KA! :)

Brssmnky6

02-23-2004, 04:42 PM

I would buy one.

nightwalker

02-23-2004, 04:56 PM

This is what I've been searching for! Oil starvation is a really bad thing.

Ghettokracker71

02-23-2004, 05:06 PM

I'd be interested if it was cheaper....I mean,I don't do much AUTOX and I don't drift...I'm more of the take-corners fast,and enjoy the drive type of guy

Maeda

02-23-2004, 05:28 PM

how about one with a KA-T Oil return hole? Aluminum is tough to weld. =\

EDIT: Sorry I'm retarded and can't read. Forgive my lack of hooked on phonics.

thx247

02-23-2004, 06:06 PM

Only a quart extra? ;)

It has a oil return bung already mang...

ZenkiSE

02-23-2004, 06:18 PM

very nice piece....pure sex....interested 60%

JasonNagra

02-23-2004, 07:19 PM

I'd be down. Very nice piece.

russian

02-23-2004, 07:52 PM

if its gonna have kat oil feed line hole (pluggable) like it says i'm for it! :hsdance:

95Blue240sx

02-23-2004, 08:35 PM

return would be a plus. if it were ~300 would be another plus. definetly interested

KA24DESOneThree

02-23-2004, 08:36 PM

So beautiful and so functional. I've been looking for a baffled pan to add to the list for forever. Once I get the 240, I will most definitely be in.

sykikchimp

02-23-2004, 08:44 PM

yeah.. there is most definately an oil return line bung, and an oil temp sender bung.

sxse240

02-23-2004, 10:03 PM

yeah.. there is most definately an oil return line bung, and an oil temp sender bung.

I'd buy one for sure, but I definitely want a threaded -8 AN oil return bung.

deviousKA

02-23-2004, 10:28 PM

Heres a better option, if your serious about your oiling system.

http://www.drysump.com/pan16.htm

http://www.drysump.com/images/1110b1.jpg

dry sump systems arent cheap, but do it best

sxse240

02-23-2004, 10:31 PM

Heres a better option, if your serious about your oiling system.

http://www.drysump.com/pan16.htm

http://www.drysump.com/images/1110b1.jpg

dry sump systems arent cheap, but do it best

How would you do a turbo oil line return with a dry sump setup?

deviousKA

02-23-2004, 10:34 PM

hmm, run a return to block would be the easiest.

adey

02-23-2004, 11:13 PM

nightwalker

02-23-2004, 11:31 PM

That dry sump system is mighty tempting, but all in all comes out to over $1500. Sure would be nice though.

Gladman

02-23-2004, 11:32 PM

sykikchimp

02-24-2004, 07:48 AM

seeing as i wrecked my bottom end trying to do donuts...

would they KADE pan fit a KAE?

and where does it gain capacity? would it sit closer to the ground?

one last thing.... factory pan is steel correct....

why not just have plates with hinged little doors welded in?

I have no idea if the DE pan will fit the E?

I would think the pan would just be widened as suggested before since ground clearance is very important.

And of cource you could get baffles welded into your stock pan. You could even get your stock pan cut and expanded. I know tons of people who have done this with great success, and this may be the route for you.

That requires a welder and a good bit of time. If you don't have a welder, or can't weld, then you have to look for someone who does. Once you find them you either have to buy an extra pan and have them modify that, or have a good bit of downtime while they modify your stock pan.

Having a nice cast aluminum pan premade with all the fittings, extra capacity, Cooling fins, etc. just makes things simpler. It's a matter of available resources.

sykikchimp

02-24-2004, 07:49 AM

Although I'm interested, I'm not interested enough to buy, since I don't do as much track driving as some other members...

A suggestion would be to try and get the oil pan to sit a little bit higher (i.e. better ground clearance) but wider than stock so it still holds more oil -- since most of us drive lowered cars, the extra clearance would be extremely useful in both daily driving and any track-out experiences we may encounter. :) :thumbsup: though for what looks to be a great product!!

The swaybar and exhaust are the lowest things on the car. Those things limit ride height more than the oil pan. I do agree this is a vaild concern and it would definately be addressed in the design process to ensure that it doesn't cause any problems with ride height.

s14 RL

02-24-2004, 07:59 AM

I'd buy this.

THX1138

02-24-2004, 09:08 AM

Chimpdaddy strikes again! Seeing the pics of that pan makes me wish I still had my old 260Z.

I'm not ready to get one now, but when Sadie gets retired from daily use and the turbo project is underway, it would be very nice to have a piece like that available.

old_s13

02-24-2004, 09:32 AM

too much traction on my KA caused 4 failed oil pumps. after taking long extreme turns, I would eventually hear my lifters make noise as the pump was starving the head -- fun!

i would imagine this modification a GOOD one.

TBreu007

02-25-2004, 01:13 AM

What I don't like about this pan is the lack of a proper windage tray. Just a simple layer of mesh between the crank and bottom of the oil pan would help a lot.
I don't mean to pee in your kool-aid, but I have someone in the works right now that might be making one in aluminum with windage trays, etc, but for around $400. I do like the cooling fins on the ones from your guy though.
I have no financial interest in either, but I do want to best pan I can get. I just blew out #4 connecting rod on track and I want to eliminate all possibilities of failure.
FWIW, stay away from Accusump. It is much better to get a proper oil pan for $300-$400 than get an Accusump for ~$400 (with electronic control). Accusumps do funny (undocumented) things to oiling system pressures.

adey

02-25-2004, 05:43 AM

The swaybar and exhaust are the lowest things on the car. Those things limit ride height more than the oil pan. I do agree this is a vaild concern and it would definately be addressed in the design process to ensure that it doesn't cause any problems with ride height.
Agreed... the front sway bar would hit anything before the oilpan did, but I've had a close-call with rocks on the road regardless... I now have a dented (not critically, thank goodness) oilpan, some scuffs on my sway bar and some dents on one frame rail to show for it.
I think anything lower than stock would be putting our oil pans unnecessary risk, while raising the bottom of the oil pan by any little amount would be a prudent step against damage.

I also agree with ^tbreau^ about the windage tray; I don't know if that's a common problem, but it doesn't seem like that would be -too- much of a price hike considering the extra protection and peace of mind it would bring.

Good luck getting a buy together!

sykikchimp

02-25-2004, 07:31 AM

well, this is really just about market research.

TBreu - Good stuff! I have no financial interest in this either. Just a need for a part that I figured others might need as well. I've found from experience that one shouldn't assume that others are interested in something jsut because it's a "no brainer" for you since you are obviously biased. (speaking figuratively)

If your guy is comming out with an Oil Pan that would be Awesome! Let us know, cause honestly I'm not sure I could display enough interest to get the Z cars guys to build this just from internet forum talk.

TBreu007

02-25-2004, 04:00 PM

I just talked to the guy making the pans. The magic number is four...I have two other racers interested, and anyone else from the board is welcome to get them too. Tomorrow, I'm sending out a stock pan for him to copy the dimentions. These will definitely happen.
Sykikchimp, if your pans don't work out, these are pretty good too. Check out z10eng.com to see his Honda pans.
They DO come with 1/2 NPT fittings for turbo oil lines or temp. senders.
I'll keep you posted.

AutoRnD

02-25-2004, 06:58 PM

count me in... i need one bad!!!

NemeGuero

11-18-2008, 01:48 PM

FROM THE GRAVE!
Yes I know this is old.. wondering if it just fell on its face or if someone actually made some moves on it!

Sykikchimp?

96Turbo

11-18-2008, 02:02 PM

yea really? what happened to this idea? Looks like a high quality pan.

However, sykikchimp hasn't posted in a little over 2 years so i'm not sure about getting ahold of him.

sunnys14

11-18-2008, 02:20 PM

Heres one that Xcessive makes
Xcessive Manufacturing (http://www.xcessivemanufacturing.com/merchant.ihtml?pid=145&step=4)

Uses a SR oil pan. Has baffles and increase oil capacity.

NemeGuero

11-18-2008, 02:41 PM

That one is JUNK.

I wouldn't rock that shit if you PAID me.

sunnys14

11-18-2008, 03:42 PM

Thats pretty much the only option KA's have out there at the moment...

Adikt

11-18-2008, 03:55 PM

NemeGuero

11-18-2008, 04:01 PM

Baffling isn't the same thing.

projectRDM

11-18-2008, 05:26 PM

Datsun-Nissan (http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Datsun-Nissan.html)

I got their crankscraper and windage tray, awesome quality but took forever to get it in. They hand make everything but the communication was slightly below average

Ugh. I agree it's a nice idea, but the tolerances are so tight I has to cut/grind mine for over two hours to fit perfect. Then after resealing the oilpan the scraper moved a hair and hit the crank so I gave up and threw it in the trash. The tray had a weld break later on so it also met it's end.

pinkarrowsnow

11-18-2008, 08:06 PM

hows xcessive junk? please explain everyone ive talked too loves their products.

240sxaddict

11-18-2008, 08:41 PM

hows xcessive junk? please explain everyone ive talked too loves their products.

My thermal intake manifold spacer from them didnt line up worth a shit.

turbo_dreams

11-18-2008, 09:02 PM

Heres one that Xcessive makes
Xcessive Manufacturing (http://www.xcessivemanufacturing.com/merchant.ihtml?pid=145&step=4)

Uses a SR oil pan. Has baffles and increase oil capacity.

That one is JUNK.

I wouldn't rock that shit if you PAID me.

That's actually the one "Turbo" magazine is using on their 750whp ka-t build (if anyone cares), It looks to me like a good product, however i'd be skeptical on how easily i'd bottom out w/ it.

Adikt

11-18-2008, 09:15 PM

Baffling isn't the same thing.

I know baffling isn't the same but I'd thought I'd throw that out there, atleast its something better then stock and OP did mention windage trays as well

projectRDM

11-18-2008, 09:48 PM

That's actually the one "Turbo" magazine is using on their 750whp ka-t build (if anyone cares), It looks to me like a good product, however i'd be skeptical on how easily i'd bottom out w/ it.

My thought exactly. Plus with the added price of buying a Greddy/ARC SR lower pan you're into good coin. My next question is, how much extra oil does it hold, and do they back you up with that or do you just pour until the dipstick registers full?

It is a cool idea though and I'd love to see one that doesn't hang below the crossmember, waiting to get torn off.

NemeGuero

11-19-2008, 08:15 AM

hows xcessive junk? please explain everyone ive talked too loves their products.

1. its a shitty design of just mounting an sr pan to a KA pan. Way too much money and would be better off making an adapter plate or some shit.
2. it doesn't even look like its got good baffling, the ONLY reason I would want it, isn't that good.
3. ka-t guys are the ones that love it, cuz most of them aren't very smart.
4. it looks like shit
5. hangs toooo loowww
6. garbage
7. i'm hungry
8. and tired.

That's actually the one "Turbo" magazine is using on their 750whp ka-t build (if anyone cares), it looks to me like a good product, however i'd be skeptical on how easily i'd bottom out w/ it.

Magazines get hook-ups and freebies from companies to get their names out. Don't listen to magazines.

turbo_dreams

11-19-2008, 09:14 AM

1. its a shitty design of just mounting an sr pan to a KA pan. Way too much money and would be better off making an adapter plate or some shit.
2. it doesn't even look like its got good baffling, the ONLY reason I would want it, isn't that good.
3. ka-t guys are the ones that love it, cuz most of them aren't very smart.
4. it looks like shit
5. hangs toooo loowww
6. garbage
7. i'm hungry
8. and tired.

Magazines get hook-ups and freebies from companies to get their names out. Don't listen to magazines.

Agree w/ you on mags getting free items and what not, but as far as the "ka-t guys remark", let's just change "most" to some, there's all types of morons in the game wether its a rb,sr,ka w/e, but alot of ka-t's are good ways for cheap power. Also, another good point made is that pan is like a $400 adapter, which is a tad too pricey just to shell out a few more hundred in an sr pan. In the end, you might as well save some more and just go dry sump.

NemeGuero

11-19-2008, 09:27 AM

I <3 Ka-ts. I had one almost 4 years ago, and I'm building a new one.

But most of the guys that build them, are dumb.

slw240sx

11-19-2008, 11:05 AM

i just used the stock pan and modified it. this was for a customer, its not the best design ever but it should do the job.

it has trap doors going to both side extensions and had a -10 AN fitting added for turbo drain back.

during test fitting, it works with KA's keeping AC.
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh75/ForcedFabllc/ka24detoilpan2.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh75/ForcedFabllc/Ka24de-toilpan3.jpg

pinkarrowsnow

11-19-2008, 11:15 AM

I agree with them sometimes being dumb haha but cheap ehh idk haha i guess for starters it is but built engine big turbo all that bs it ads up just as fast.

NemeGuero

11-19-2008, 11:17 AM

slw240sx

11-19-2008, 09:42 PM

the drain plug is in about the same position as stock just on on the extension. PM me about the pan. i have to run some numbers and check to see if i even have the templates i made for it. i have a few pans here that i was planning on modifiing and ebaying. We have been so busy with jobs that once that job was done i havent had time to go back and build more to sell.

anyone serious about a pan pm me, my vendor account here needs re upped or i woud talk more openly about it and pricing. if this post is a problem because of my status let me know ill edit it accordingly.

Jon

fromxtor

11-22-2008, 04:59 PM

Thats very nice, its about time there was a KA oil pan option. Besides the xcssive.com

chuy

11-22-2008, 07:57 PM

I like it alot too bad the price is up there. Maybe more like Greddys pricess is what I was looking at. I still will be getting one Just gonna need more moneys. The other one that is posted looks really good also for a dry sump paln.

480sx

11-23-2008, 05:19 PM

1. its a shitty design of just mounting an sr pan to a KA pan.

Actually thats not what they did at all. They made a cast aluminum adaptor for a ka block that mounts to a SR sump.

2. it doesn't even look like its got good baffling, the ONLY reason I would want it, isn't that good.

Its got all the baffling of any bottom sump you decide to put on it. Any one available for the SR is available for the Ka.

3. ka-t guys are the ones that love it, cuz most of them aren't very smart.

Speak for yourself, your the one ripping a product you know nothing about. Just gotta laugh really.

The only downside to the Xcessive pan is the fact that it sits so low. Thats its only draw back, although its significant enough to not want one. Other than that its a great pan for a track car.

Still would love to see an all cast internally baffled pan with a windage tray.