Need help on getting my money back from paint job

[garofalory]

I have searched a good amount and have found some things about getting my money back from the shitty paint job I paid $950 for. I had a guy paint my car (in a business park with a rented garage.) Cost me $950 for body and paint. Took three weeks to get my car done, and it looks like a $150 TJ paint job.

The old saying, "you get what you paid for," does not apply to this. I paid $950 and got a $150 paint job.



I'm going to list all that's wrong with it (got an actual paint guy to look at it)


*Single Stage* when he said it had two coats of base and three coats of clear(unfortunately did not get it in writing)
Visible dings everywhere
Roof has stripes of where he painted
See the areas where the car was bondo-ed (the area is protruding out)
Underneath both driver and passenger door, you can see where the car was red
Paint easily comes off with finger nail
Insufficient coverage (dry spray everywhere)
Dirt all over the car, mixed in with the paint
Orange Peel everywhere
The rubber trim on both doors were painted
Passenger door still has scratches from sanding that is visible
Crack on the front bumper
Areas where the paint is flaking
Hood has striping on the hood


Needless to say I want my money back and do not want to go back to him to get it fixed. I understand him taking money for the supplies, but not labor since he sat on his ass for three weeks then did it all in two days.

Does anyone have any experience with a paint job gone bad?? I want to file a complaint or go to small claims, but I would like to hear from someone who went through this.

Thanks.
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc430/Ryan_Garofalo/IMG_20120625_194635.jpg

[ixfxi]

sorry, your fucked.

dont worry, i too got fucked by a body shop. lots of people have.


be happy your fucking car got painted. mine sat for 3 years and didnt get paint at all. and they got 2k of my money. and my wheels got stolen. dont believe me? search my old posts.

2 years after my car was painted, i recovered my stolen wheels... imagine that. dont believe me? search my old posts.


you paid for a shitty paint job. lesson learned, move on.

[zooopreme]

I take it that your wet sanding session was a fail lol.

There's absolutely no way you'll get your money back by verbal dispute. If it really matters, take it to court. You'll probably lose because the car was painted & you have no written proof that says "my car will be painted the right way"

[Fearell]

What did you expect for $900? There is a reason paint jobs are expensive. It takes time to do body work correctly and skill to make it look right. Sorry, but unless you can prove that there was a certain level of professionalism to be expected you're probably SOL.

When we paint cars everything comes off. Belt moldings, handles, glass, bumpers, lights. You just can't get that for $900 and expect to have 20 years of dents taken out too.

[S14TEENZ]

Damn this is sad....but there are red flags everywhere in your post that would have stopped someone one from even think about getting a paint job.

[FRpilot]

yep you're pretty much fucked.

unless you had some kind of written proposal of the work to be done, it's basically your words vs his. what is a $150 paint job to you and what were you expecting for how much you paid? he could say his billing rate is $200/hr and say it is a $5000 paint job so you should be glad he gave you a discount and only charged you $950.

i'm not a lawyer, but if you want to take it further you could hire one and bring him to court and it will probably cost you more than $950. just take it as a learning experience and choose a more reputable body shop next time instead of a joe schmoe working out of a rented garage.

look at the bright side, at least your car is one solid color which is more than most people can say about their 240sx on the streets.

[xh3nry]

Take it as a lesson learned, next time set things on paper and go to someone reputable.

[Banana_Cute]

LOL. damn looks like he pulled a fast one on you. Told you he can paint it for $950, turn around and GOT IT paint it elsewhere. one of those 1 day paint job.

Sucks.

[Dany]

like everyone says u cant really do nothing maybe but wat u can do is let ppl know about that guy so he wont get jobs and no money eventually karma will get him for not doing it right but i would just make him look bad.. im 18 and i probably wouldve done a way better paint job them him.. good luck with everything though bro

[Banana_Cute]

Question is, do you know the guy personally? You stated, in your other thread, you went to him instead of a reputable shop.

http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m574/autopartspro/300zx.jpg

this was done in the garage by my dad's next door neighbor. for $300. Just because you paid cheap doesnt necessarily mean it'll look cheap.

[ManoNegra]

Lesson learned, hope you learned from your experience

I decided a while ago that I was going to paint my s14 myself
I mean, how hard can it be?
figured it be a few weekends of elbow work to have something that looks better than a Maaco job

well, a few months after and ~$400 in supplies (still need to buy base and clear btw)
I'm still blocking and looking to do some more bodywork
and mind you, I have access at work to paint guns and other tools and our shop gets a discount at the paint store down the street...

[ixfxi]

Lesson learned, hope you learned from your experience

I decided a while ago that I was going to paint my s14 myself
I mean, how hard can it be?
figured it be a few weekends of elbow work to have something that looks better than a Maaco job

well, a few months after and ~$400 in supplies (still need to buy base and clear btw)
I'm still blocking and looking to do some more bodywork
and mind you, I have access at work to paint guns and other tools and our shop gets a discount at the paint store down the street...

years ago, i paid around 2k in materials. its all subjective. you dont know what something is worth and how difficult it is, until you buy the materials your self - work with them, and then attempt to DO IT YOURSELF. thats the thing about jobs, everyone gets hung up over money and rarely thing about "the job," let alone doing it properly and following procedures.


http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m574/autopartspro/300zx.jpg

this was done in the garage by my dad's next door neighbor. for $300. Just because you paid cheap doesnt necessarily mean it'll look cheap.

i hate when people post a photo of "a painted car"

for one, your photo is low resolution
second, its from a distance
third, its a photo of a painted finish. anyone who paints can tell you that its not just the appearance, but also the prep/adhesion.

thats what your paying for. someone to remove EVERYTHING, prep EVERYTHING, paint SOME OF IT, then put EVERYTHING back together ------ and its supposed to hold up for XX amount of years (hopefully).

[xoxide]

Haha... You got what you payed for man.

My dad is in the buisness... You couldnt even get the front end painted for $950 from a reputable shop using quality materials.

Like ixfxi said, its all in the prep work... Dont expect a $5000 paintjob for what you payed. Your shit out of luck.

Just to put things in perspective, a gallon of good quality paint (ie Nason, BASF, PPM, etc.) will run you anywhere from 6-900 dollars depending on the color. Add in the bondo (quality stuff, not the walmart bondo brand), good tape, sand paper, etc etc. and our materials will run you more than $900 bucks.

[ManoNegra]

Exactly my point
at the end of the day I'll be ~$900 in materials and a fuck load of work
for a decent (I hope) paint job using bargain quality products

reminds me
last week I stopped by a reputable paint shop near my house
to inquire what it'll cost to have one of their painters spray my car in one of their booths
~$450 if I bring my own materials and do my own masking
I asked what the added cost would be if they provided paint and clear as well
~$1500 just in paint and clear since they only use PPG

[trickey1991]

my prep work cost more then $950 lol

[garofalory]

I'd like if people could explain their experiences or how they would think I could get my money back. I already found a bunch of reasons and ways. To those of you who say $950 isn't a lot, it isn't but it is. $950 gets you a 10x better paint job than this.

[2slow2go]

yup 950 is way too cheap.... i think a 400 macco might have more shine then that

[Walperstyle]

Reality is something school didn't teach you
a) zilvia.net/the internet is not a place to ask for help when you want money back
b) you have a problem with the person that painted your car, you need to talk to him and work it out.

$950 paint jobs are opinionated and depend on the bodyman more then anything. A talented individual could hook a guy up for $200 if he didn't want to make any money, or $20,000 if the customer was a stupid Lamborghini owner. Paint codes and prep are similar for many different applications.

Best of luck. You really are on your own.

[hOngsterr]

what is a bitch with painting is blending, sometimes the paint mixer can totally fuck you. thats why you probably see stripes lol

[JasianBlazin]

in for some close up pics.

[zurud]

Looks like $950 paint job to me.

[KiLLeR2001]

I told you there was something wrong with that WV2. Single stage, now it all makes sense.

This is why I have set aside a couple months to prep my entire car for paint. This shit takes time, when you slack out on the prep work, you pay the ultimate price.

[xoxide]

Not using shitty single stage paint helps alot on the outcome to.

[KA-Life86]

I spent 950 on just materials to paint my last car lol. You're not getting your money back, you said yourself you have nothing in writing, so basically you have no case.

[buentellomma]

I have searched a good amount and have found some things about getting my money back from the shitty paint job I paid $950 for. I had a guy paint my car (in a business park with a rented garage.) Cost me $950 for body and paint. Took three weeks to get my car done, and it looks like a $150 TJ paint job.

The old saying, "you get what you paid for," does not apply to this. I paid $950 and got a $150 paint job.



I'm going to list all that's wrong with it (got an actual paint guy to look at it)


*Single Stage* when he said it had two coats of base and three coats of clear(unfortunately did not get it in writing)
Visible dings everywhere
Roof has stripes of where he painted
See the areas where the car was bondo-ed (the area is protruding out)
Underneath both driver and passenger door, you can see where the car was red
Paint easily comes off with finger nail
Insufficient coverage (dry spray everywhere)
Dirt all over the car, mixed in with the paint
Orange Peel everywhere
The rubber trim on both doors were painted
Passenger door still has scratches from sanding that is visible
Crack on the front bumper
Areas where the paint is flaking
Hood has striping on the hood


Needless to say I want my money back and do not want to go back to him to get it fixed. I understand him taking money for the supplies, but not labor since he sat on his ass for three weeks then did it all in two days.

Does anyone have any experience with a paint job gone bad?? ]
First- single stage paint is not a base coat then clear coat process, he lied to you or you got the info mixed up. Single stage is a high gloss solid color and is garbage but cheap- which is probably why he charged you next to nothing. From what issues you stated with the post "paint job" your best bet is to remove all that paint because this guy did not do much prep work. From the butcher body guys I have seen or worked with he either scotch brited it and said F it or threw some comet cleaner and did the ole Maaco special. Either way that crap needs to come off

[Phlip]

I stopped reading here:
*Single Stage* when he said it had two coats of base and three coats of clear(unfortunately did not get it in writing)

Unfortunately, the only value this paint job holds for you is as a learning experience. As far as that $900 bucks? Yeah, I hope you can learn not to think about it soon, because that is gone

[Darren]

my prep work cost more then $950 lol

If you got it done it in a reputable shop, that's cheap. If that's just quality materials, and you did the work, that's still cheap.

I'd like if people could explain their experiences or how they would think I could get my money back. I already found a bunch of reasons and ways. To those of you who say $950 isn't a lot, it isn't but it is. $950 gets you a 10x better paint job than this.

The paint job is not what you're paying for, and it's not what you're seeing as flaws for the most part, it's the prep work, plain and simple.

I spent 950 on just materials to paint my last car lol. You're not getting your money back, you said yourself you have nothing in writing, so basically you have no case.

Exactly, i spent $400 on single stage paint, reducer, catalist, etc. that doesn't mean i did a $400 paint job. I probably spent (didn't keep full totals) near $2500 over 2 years in prep supplys, primer, sanding blocks, welding supplies, metal, tools needed to do the paint job properly, etc. At least $1500 in just direct supplies.

Your car is a single color and will likely last a year or two. Use that time to educate yourself and save some money for a reputable shop to redo the car at that time.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Shit, I paid $500 for this paint job...
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g254/fliprayzin240sx/Kouki%20S14/ray06.jpg

And the guy who painted it didnt even prep the car that much but atleast the paint looked good.

[driftthis]

Have you talked to the guy who painted it? Small claims court will require more money and it sounds like you don't have much of an argument/case. Like everyone else said, lesson learned. If you can't work out a deal with the painter, go to a reputable paint shop and see how they can help make your car look the way you want it. Your photo doesn't show too much detail. But prep work is the key to a well done paint job. Good luck.

[jdmspooge]

Geez! for that much I could have gotten you a mediocre paint job. Next time do it right! lesson learned! If you want to get a good paint job, lemme know. I can refer you to MasterCare Body and Paint in San Marcos. Let them know that "J" sent you.

They'll take care of you!

[lude4life13]

I think I could have done a better job with a booth and a bunch of rattle cans....

[lude4life13]

But either way you should just take it as a lesson learned like everyone else is saying.

[garofalory]

closer pix of the shit job I was given. Just a few pictures. Focus on dents, bondo showing, streaks on roof, lack of primer (flaking) shows no clear, etc...

http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc430/Ryan_Garofalo/IMG_0932.jpg
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc430/Ryan_Garofalo/IMG_0927.jpg
streaks on roof
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc430/Ryan_Garofalo/IMG_0921.jpg
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc430/Ryan_Garofalo/IMG_0928.jpg
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[delado]

See what I don't understand is how is it that you go and pick it up like this? Like, why would you drive it away? I would have flipped shit at the moment. All the wet sanding in the world couldn't have fixed that. Their are obvious bondo splotches everywhere and chips and no prep work done WHAT SO EVER. I mean it's common sense amirite?

[garofalory]

yea, but I was dropped off there...I had to go to work and that was the only car.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Again, what did you expect from a $900 paint job? Just be glad its the same color...

[garofalory]

Again, what did you expect from a $900 paint job? Just be glad its the same color...

how does that look like $900? Maybe you should look at the pictures again. Looks like a $150 job.

[delado]

yea, but I was dropped off there...I had to go to work and that was the only car.

Are you 18?

[Perfect Balance]

how does that look like $900? Maybe you should look at the pictures again. Looks like a $150 job.
$150 wouldn't even pay for the materials to paint that car yourself. It looks like a $900 job.

[garofalory]

Are you 18?


yes... why does that matter?

[russian]

lol. 900 bucks for a paint job.
this shit looks horrid.

macco would have done it better. but always do your own prep. always. only let them spray.

[Dany]

that sux bro! smh next time know the guy or unless youve heard good things from them.. i know someone that couldve made it look way better for 950! maybe less but hey shit happens man

[garofalory]

that sux bro! smh next time know the guy or unless youve heard good things from them.. i know someone that couldve made it look way better for 950! maybe less but hey shit happens man

that's the thing though, I DID see pix of his previous work and it came out fine. Being a kid (18) he took advantage of me and the fact I paid in full. :duh:

What I am going to do is: go to him and give him an option. Either fix/re-do my whole car and make it RIGHT, and have him sign something saying it will be done within two weeks the way it was supposed to be done. OR I file a complaint with the Berau of Automotive Repair. They will take his business away/shut him down and fine him since he does not: have a license for auto repair/paint nor a paint booth. Then I will take him to small claims court. I have a stack about an inch and a half thick of good stuff I have against him. Either way I think I am straight.

[fliprayzin240sx]

So if you think your straight...whats the fucking point of posting all this? I still say eat it and let it be a lesson learned. Never ever pay any work done in full until its done. Gives you the leverage when the end product is fucked.

[Frank_Jaeger]

So if you think your straight...whats the fucking point of posting all this? I still say eat it and let it be a lesson learned. Never ever pay any work done in full until its done. Gives you the leverage when the end product is fucked.
Your high post count doesn't excuse your behavior, prick.

I want to see what comes of this :drama:.

[Drifting Kalamari]

First, it really doesn't look like any real prep work was done at all. Everything under the paint looks horrid. Paint would look nicer with a wetsand and clearcoat.

You can't get your money back if you didn't go to a ligitimate company or signed some kind of contract stating that if work is sub-par or flat out shitty you should be reimbursed.

Basically you paid him $900 to paint your car. I do see that he painted your car, so sadly he keeps the money. :/

[fliprayzin240sx]

Your high post count doesn't excuse your behavior, prick.

I want to see what comes of this :drama:.

What behavior? Cuz what I'm saying is fucking true? You dont ever pay somebody full price right off the bat. He got taken advantage of but what can he really do against the painter? Sounds like some janky ass fly by night operation. What the fuck is BBB gonna do? Nada, zit, wala, zero, rien, ingenting, niente, 무가치, Ничего, nashi...basically nothing. You're 20 yrs old, you can bitch and complain about something like this but in the end...you'll just end up wasting more time, money and effort trying to resolve it, its just not fucking worth it.

[delado]

yes... why does that matter?

It matters a lot actually. In fact, it explains exactly why this happened to you.

[garofalory]

Your high post count doesn't excuse your behavior, prick.

I want to see what comes of this :drama:.

yea it'll be interesting to see what happens. I had a special friend/person of mine who is a lawyer and look him up...this has happened before so it might rule in my favor.

First, it really doesn't look like any real prep work was done at all. Everything under the paint looks horrid. Paint would look nicer with a wetsand and clearcoat.

You can't get your money back if you didn't go to a ligitimate company or signed some kind of contract stating that if work is sub-par or flat out shitty you should be reimbursed.

Basically you paid him $900 to paint your car. I do see that he painted your car, so sadly he keeps the money. :/

We'll see! hahaaha I think I have a strong case against him...a prior fuck up taking advantage of a kid....

It matters a lot actually. In fact, it explains exactly why this happened to you.

besides $ and getting taken advantage of...

[buentellomma]

What behavior? Cuz what I'm saying is fucking true? You dont ever pay somebody full price right off the bat. He got taken advantage of but what can he really do against the painter? Sounds like some janky ass fly by night operation. What the fuck is BBB gonna do? Nada, zit, wala, zero, rien, ingenting, niente, 무가치, Ничего, nashi...basically nothing. You're 20 yrs old, you can bitch and complain about something like this but in the end...you'll just end up wasting more time, money and effort trying to resolve it, its just not fucking worth it.

Agree with you on this one, this guy got doped by a scum bag. This is one of the worst attempts at paint and body I have seen in a long time. Maaco would have looked better or maybe a rattle can job done in the drive way :ddog:

[Drifting Kalamari]

I hope to hell you get your money back! You just never know with our court systems

[CrimsonRockett]

As many have stated, you shouldn't have expected much from a $900 paint job had you bothered doing some research on what a "real" paint job costs.

Yes, people can paint their own cars with good materials for under $1,000 at times (with show quality results too), but that is taking into account having your own air compressor, gun, and tools.

You can't really go after the guy if there wasn't signed paperwork involved stating what would be done and if there would be any warranties involved. Did this guy take advantage of you? Sure. Just be glad you got your car back in one piece and take it as a hard-learned lesson. Do your research next time. If you can't do it yourself, take it to someone reputable.

Everything appears to have been shot on the car too.

Think of it this way, after seeing the terrible job he did on your car, do you really think going back to him, complaining about it, demanding it be redone, and leaving the car in his possession would be a good idea? If it were my car, I wouldn't want him anywhere near it.

[sil80d]

I hate these threads. I paid 950 for paint and body. Why does my car look like shit. It looks like shit because you are a cheap bastard. Stop your crying and man up and face that fact. If you want show winning paint pay for it.

200 dollar coupe.
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m250/sil80d/928e5d66.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m250/sil80d/52b10f85.jpg

After 3500 on paint and body work
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m250/sil80d/0ee8ac20.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m250/sil80d/bd8a53d6.jpg

Let me guess your next thread. "why does my 1200.00 ls1 have a hole in the block and an auto trans?"

[ManoNegra]

Going to an established business gives you some peace of mind that you
can file a complaint or take the business to court when they fuck up.
It's part of the reason you pay more. Suing someone working out his garage is tougher.
Even if you win, you may have a hard time collecting.

I think a lot of us car people, specially the younger broke variety, have an absurd
idea of what paint work entails and should cost. Only by doing it myself did I realize the
amount of work - this without taking into account price of supplies - that goes into
doing it right.
I think that if you have a car with a pretty clean body that requires little to no bodywork - just a
few dings and chips - a cheap scuff and single stage spray (what you're usually getting
when you pay under 1k) can be acceptable.
Judging by the pictures from the OP, that car required a good amount of body work and prep to do the job right. It's simply delusional to think someone that's out to make money
could do that on the cheap.

[ixfxi]

If you want to get a good paint job, lemme know. I can refer you to MasterCare Body and Paint in San Marcos. Let them know that "J" sent you. They'll take care of you!

thats so sleezy. shit like this reminds me of the password from leisure suit larry to enter the prostitutes room "ken sent me"

come on... thats bullshit. it shouldnt make a shits worth of a difference who sent you, a job should be done right PERIOD. saying "J sent me" simply means you're getting a cut


but always do your own prep. always. only let them spray.

come on. people always try to give these advice for cheap shortcuts. do your own prep my ass. how many people know how to prep? it takes a lot of experience to really know how to sand & fill, etc... using the proper fillers. bottom line, just GO to a good reputable shop and STAY THE FUCK AWAY from the bad ones. THE END.


that's the thing though, I DID see pix of his previous work and it came out fine. Being a kid (18) he took advantage of me and the fact I paid in full. :duh:

What I am going to do is: go to him and give him an option. Either fix/re-do my whole car and make it RIGHT, and have him sign something saying it will be done within two weeks the way it was supposed to be done. OR I file a complaint with the Berau of Automotive Repair. They will take his business away/shut him down and fine him since he does not: have a license for auto repair/paint nor a paint booth. Then I will take him to small claims court. I have a stack about an inch and a half thick of good stuff I have against him. Either way I think I am straight.

you're a fucking idiot. no ones going to do shit. i got hosed by a body shop yeaaaaaaaaars ago and they're still operating and still doing the same shit. government has better things to do than shut down individuals who are working to put food on the table. you're just a kid who thinks his problems are at the top of the list.

bottom line: no one cares.



(To fliprayzin240sx) Your high post count doesn't excuse your behavior, prick.

yeah? well your low post count doesnt............................ SHUT THE FUCK UP.

thanks

[garofalory]

thats so sleezy. shit like this reminds me of the password from leisure suit larry to enter the prostitutes room "ken sent me"

come on... thats bullshit. it shouldnt make a shits worth of a difference who sent you, a job should be done right PERIOD. saying "J sent me" simply means you're getting a cut




come on. people always try to give these advice for cheap shortcuts. do your own prep my ass. how many people know how to prep? it takes a lot of experience to really know how to sand & fill, etc... using the proper fillers. bottom line, just GO to a good reputable shop and STAY THE FUCK AWAY from the bad ones. THE END.




you're a fucking idiot. no ones going to do shit. i got hosed by a body shop yeaaaaaaaaars ago and they're still operating and still doing the same shit. government has better things to do than shut down individuals who are working to put food on the table. you're just a kid who thinks his problems are at the top of the list.

bottom line: no one cares.





yeah? well your low post count doesnt............................ SHUT THE FUCK UP.

thanks



if you don't care then get the fuck off my thread. Not that hard BRUH.

[ixfxi]

i feel sorry for your mother.....

[fliprayzin240sx]

After 3500 on paint and body work
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m250/sil80d/0ee8ac20.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m250/sil80d/bd8a53d6.jpg

Let me guess your next thread. "why does my 1200.00 ls1 have a hole in the block and an auto trans?"

Hmm...over $3k and they didnt take the glass off? We got a shop out here called Stock or Modified in VB that does awesome job, their paint starts off at around that price. I have yet to see a car come out of there that looks like poopies. Unfortunately, I'll never afford that shit...plus with my luck, I'll have a drunk driver plow into the car 5 hrs after I get it out of paint.

[hypercrush]

$150 wouldn't even pay for the materials to paint that car yourself. It looks like a $900 job.

exactly. time is money, you didnt pay money, you cant expect to get labor time. now you're gonna threaten to take away the dudes method of making income because YOU didnt have the sense to pay the price for quality work? thats just ridiculous. youre paying the price for youre education in how to have a car painted. next time you know to go where you have been referred by a person you trust and whos work youve seen IN PERSON, state exactly what you want and get pricing for each step in a written estimate, then sign a workorder. and if it sounds too good to be true, it is. your idiocy in handling this offends me, seriously.

[Lugged]

i feel sorry for your mother.....

Starts at 1:44 :spank:

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[imbored205]

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m250/sil80d/0ee8ac20.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m250/sil80d/bd8a53d6.jpg



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[Phlip]

how does that look like $900? Maybe you should look at the pictures again. Looks like a $150 job.
No, it looks like a $900 job, and the fact that you don't know the difference is the first problem.

yes... why does that matter?
How do you ask ^^^ this, and then say this:
that's the thing though, I DID see pix of his previous work and it came out fine. Being a kid (18) he took advantage of me and the fact I paid in full. :duh:
Looks like you already knew the answer.


You've been had, dealing with a non-business with no written contract of any sort. You'd do best to talk to the person who painted your car and hope he has it on his heart to make it right.

[ixfxi]

Starts at 1:44 :spank:

damn straight, glad you caught onto that....


You've been had, dealing with a non-business with no written contract of any sort. You'd do best to talk to the person who painted your car and hope he has it on his heart to make it right.

next quote.......... of what you need to say to your painter if you want him to respray it

"want some cheezeburgers maaaan? i suck yo DICK"


i have a serious question though. anyone else here want to see what this dudes car looked like BEFORE he paid him? lets see the before and after. maybe his car was a total heap and now he's expecting a miracle.

gotta pay to play, BRUH

[Markyboi7500]

Lol ^

Getting my 180 sprayed in the next couple of weeks, as this young guy I have contemplated going cheap but after seeing this I think I'll pay the extra 1k (at least) to get a good paint job.

But would have to agree with the others on here... Your fucked no paper work means there's no proof.

This garage could just turn around and say that they have never seen you before, sorry to say

[ghoti]

next quote.......... of what you need to say to your painter if you want him to respray it

"want some cheezeburgers maaaan? i suck yo DICK"



Theres only two possible scenarios that can happen after you say that

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[fliprayzin240sx]

You know whats the best part about this...I dont think he even talked to the painter and confronted him about the paint job. Maybe the guy was drunk when he painted the car, had a family emergency and didnt have the time to take care of it so he cut corners. He's not gonna get his money back, might as well try to see if he'd redo the paint job. It can't possibly look worst than it is now. Fuck, I'd do the prep job on it and have the guy atleast repaint the shit.

[Tle1993]

Hmm...over $3k and they didnt take the glass off? We got a shop out here called Stock or Modified in VB that does awesome job, their paint starts off at around that price. I have yet to see a car come out of there that looks like poopies. Unfortunately, I'll never afford that shit...plus with my luck, I'll have a drunk driver plow into the car 5 hrs after I get it out of paint.

stock and modified is almost done with my s30! there fucking great and amazing and worth every penny!!!

[FRpilot]

Again, what did you expect from a $900 paint job? Just be glad its the same color...

:werd:

how does that look like $900? Maybe you should look at the pictures again. Looks like a $150 job.

there's no such thing as a $150 paint job. if anything, it looks like a $400-600 maaco/earl scheib paint job that you paid $950 for and received.

i have a serious question though. anyone else here want to see what this dudes car looked like BEFORE he paid him? lets see the before and after. maybe his car was a total heap and now he's expecting a miracle.


i would be curious what it looked like before. it was probably multicolor primered or oxidized paint and what he got is 100 times better.

unfortunately, he was expecting his car to look like jdmrice's car after his $950 paintjob.

[sil80d]

There such thing as a 150 dollar paint job. I did this one behind my house for less than 150
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m250/sil80d/missl80/011-3.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m250/sil80d/missl80/010-8.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m250/sil80d/missl80/015-5.jpg

[zooopreme]

There such thing as a 150 dollar paint job. I did this one behind my house for less than 150
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m250/sil80d/missl80/011-3.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m250/sil80d/missl80/010-8.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m250/sil80d/missl80/015-5.jpg

At least you knew that it would turn out like shit as opposed to OP paying $950 for shitty not really close to WV2 job.

[ixfxi]

You know whats the best part about this...I dont think he even talked to the painter and confronted him about the paint job. Maybe the guy was ......

fuck that.... confronted or not, the shop sucks - the end. how much time, money and heart-ache do you guys like to spend with shops that suck? there is that slim chance that maybe the guy will make it better... but theres also the chance that your car could sit there longer, wheels could get stolen, car could get stolen, etc etc etc.... you're dealing with IDIOTS, move on. just like how guys stay in a relationship when the bitch is psyco... "duuuh well maybe she'll change... shes been good lately" yeah but the fucking whore just dumped a gallon of paint on your car last week. seriously.... MOVE ON. drama comes when you deal with shitty shops. when you deal with good shops, the only thing you need to worry about is paying the bill.



http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m250/sil80d/missl80/011-3.jpg
There such thing as a 150 dollar paint job. I did this one behind my house for less than 150

and it shows. dude... the fucking car looks busted. it looks like my 9 year old nephew drew on it.

i dont get it... how fucking retarded do you guys make your cars out to be. its a fucking car, its NOT a missle... its not an american v8 powered racecar from the 60s, its not a military plane, its a fucking piece of shit 20 year old faded nissan.

im embarrassed saying i own the same car as you guys.

[fckillerbee]

^^ jesus...let people be unique. Not like you are what they originally marketed the car to. Plus...our missles....JAPS throw this shit away like it's disposable. I'm pretty sure Chevy didn't make the 69 camaro SS and thought it would be the best looking Camaro ever built.

[fliprayzin240sx]

So just because the Japanese throw these cars away, its okay for us to do so? Guess we have the same amount of access to RWD cars like they do. Plus lets not put into consideration how much S-chassis were sold in Japan compared to the US.

[Trap Star]

exactly. time is money, you didnt pay money, you cant expect to get labor time. now you're gonna threaten to take away the dudes method of making income because YOU didnt have the sense to pay the price for quality work? thats just ridiculous.
This "dude", from what I gather, is running a business without a license which is definitely illegal so I wouldn't lose sleep over him getting fined or arrested. This brings me to my next point: You knew this guy wasn't licensed and you still took your car there? You're lucky he didn't take your money and car and disappear.

[sil80d]

Hate on my missle all you want. It is a complete car. That was assemble for 3000 that I really don't give a shit about. All left over high quality parts and again I don't give a shit about it. Funniest thing I did in the car is crash it into my neighbors wall ebrake sliding the corner in my alley way after drinking 12 miller highlives

[garofalory]

This "dude", from what I gather, is running a business without a license which is definitely illegal so I wouldn't lose sleep over him getting fined or arrested. This brings me to my next point: You knew this guy wasn't licensed and you still took your car there? You're lucky he didn't take your money and car and disappear.

To set things straight, I found out he didn't have a license a few days ago when I started looking up stuff. So I did not know he was not licensed. Since he isn't, he will deff get the BAR shoved in his face. No doubt. I'll let you guys know what's up in a few days. It's happened to him before (had someone look him up in the legal books) and he fled, but they found him. Sure the same thing will happen to me, but I'll eventually get my money.

[garofalory]

fuck that.... confronted or not, the shop sucks - the end. how much time, money and heart-ache do you guys like to spend with shops that suck? there is that slim chance that maybe the guy will make it better... but theres also the chance that your car could sit there longer, wheels could get stolen, car could get stolen, etc etc etc.... you're dealing with IDIOTS, move on. just like how guys stay in a relationship when the bitch is psyco... "duuuh well maybe she'll change... shes been good lately" yeah but the fucking whore just dumped a gallon of paint on your car last week. seriously.... MOVE ON. drama comes when you deal with shitty shops. when you deal with good shops, the only thing you need to worry about is paying the bill.





and it shows. dude... the fucking car looks busted. it looks like my 9 year old nephew drew on it.

i dont get it... how fucking retarded do you guys make your cars out to be. its a fucking car, its NOT a missle... its not an american v8 powered racecar from the 60s, its not a military plane, its a fucking piece of shit 20 year old faded nissan.

im embarrassed saying i own the same car as you guys.


How deep is the stick up your ass? Relax, if you hate the 240's so much, why are you on here? Clearly you can't appreciate cars.

[memphis180sx]

If you came to me for a $950 paint job and complained about the quality i would laugh at u and go inside thats if i were even to bother with it for that cheap. what you kids do not understand is a quality paint job is time not some thing u want to cheap out on or do a rush job and plus a single stage is always gunna look like shit no matter what u do you've learned your lesson leave it at that.

This all depends on the car brought in.

body work up to a 1 day to a week
prep work up to 1 day to a week
masking a full day usally
paint up to 2 days thats 3 coats of clear 3 coats of paint
color sanding buffing half of a day to a day
then materials lets say 500 bucks on the cheap end
paint min 250 bucks thats "nason made by dupont" clear, primer,and paint but thats only a gallon of each.

I would charge no less than 2500 bucks for that.painting a car is not something done cheap remember shop labor is 75 bucks or more so add all that up and your way over 950 bucks.So when u go to get another paint job done at a shop if the guy dosent say 2000 and up dont do it cuse u can save alot of money just doing it yourself and dont hate yourself for buying a shitty spray job.

[chwks13]

How deep is the stick up your ass? Relax, if you hate the 240's so much, why are you on here? Clearly you can't appreciate cars.

It's BECAUSE he appreciates cars, that he says that shit. It's kids like you that are ruining them.

[KiLLeR2001]

Do the prep work yourself. Take your time, read tips and tricks online. When you are satisfied with every square inch of your prep work, take it to Maaco for a $400 spray job. If you want to be lazy and have a reputable shop do everything for you be prepared to pay. I was quoted $4500 to fix every body blemish on my car, prep work, paint job, and the supplies of course.

[WanganNastyMachine]

Hate on my missle all you want. It is a complete car. That was assemble for 3000 that I really don't give a shit about. All left over high quality parts and again I don't give a shit about it. Funniest thing I did in the car is crash it into my neighbors wall ebrake sliding the corner in my alley way after drinking 12 miller highlivesAm I the only one who caught the Miller Highlife part? Build cheap ugly Sil-Eighty, drink a cheap crappy beer thats $14 for a 30 Pack...Oh wait, Im 20 and Im not supposed to know this.

[badbob2121]

Hate on my missle all you want. It is a complete car. That was assemble for 3000 that I really don't give a shit about. All left over high quality parts and again I don't give a shit about it. Funniest thing I did in the car is crash it into my neighbors wall ebrake sliding the corner in my alley way after drinking 12 miller highlives

and your 39 years old?....

[ixfxi]

Hate on my missle all you want. It is a complete car. That was assemble for 3000 that I really don't give a shit about. All left over high quality parts and again I don't give a shit about it. Funniest thing I did in the car is crash it into my neighbors wall ebrake sliding the corner in my alley way after drinking 12 miller highlives
^ and your 39 years old?....

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congratulations zilvia, we've just hit rock bottom


How deep is the stick up your ass? Relax, if you hate the 240's so much, why are you on here? Clearly you can't appreciate cars.

you again? post a pic of your car and i'll post mine. then everyone else will chime in and tell you to shut the fuck up. if someone has an appreciation for this car, clearly its not you because a winner is me.

[enkei2k]

Hate on my missle all you want. It is a complete car. That was assemble for 3000 that I really don't give a shit about. All left over high quality parts and again I don't give a shit about it. Funniest thing I did in the car is crash it into my neighbors wall ebrake sliding the corner in my alley way after drinking 12 miller highlives

Because of this, take a week off on me. It should be 1 day for every one you drank, but I'll be lenient this time.

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[ixfxi]

maybe the guy crashed OFF ROAD....?

ahah i cant believe the guy got pinked for this, you guys are harsh.

[xoxide]

then materials lets say 500 bucks on the cheap end
paint min 250 bucks thats "nason made by dupont" clear, primer,and paint but thats only a gallon of each.

Thats on the very low end of the spectrum price wise. When we painted my grandfathers car, I used Nason primer, and my dad got some cheap blue ($260 for a gallon) we used quality clear though since it was in our paint cabinet already... And the results were nice.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/sprinter1/IMAG0579-1.jpg
(and that is before cut and buff)

^That is a backyard paintjob (and my first all-over paintjob)... The only diffrence is I actually take my time on the prep work. And I had to fix all the screw ups the paint shop my grandpa too that car to before he let me do it, did to it.


For good paint, you should expect to pay $4-600 for a gallon of paint, sometimes even more depending on the color.

[sil80d]

It was in a dirt allye behind my house. Got over it. Yes I am 39 that doesn't mean that I am a dumbass

[garofalory]

Today I rolled/flared/and tucked wires under my fenders. There was paint cracking even with the heat. It showed RED. I scrapped the hood...showed WHITE. The guy didn't even SAND IT....he is fucked for court and the BAR.

[KA-Life86]

You thought he was gonna strip it down to metal AND paint it for $950? It's common practice to paint over paint

[garofalory]

You thought he was gonna strip it down to metal AND paint it for $950? It's common practice to paint over paint

That's what we agreed on. Obviously he lied, but if that would have been the deal, then I would have walked away.

[FRpilot]

you again? post a pic of your car and i'll post mine. then everyone else will chime in and tell you to shut the fuck up. if someone has an appreciation for this car, clearly its not you because a winner is me.

i would love to see this, only because it's been said that your car is in storage and has been in progress for at least 5 years.

[enkei2k]

maybe the guy crashed OFF ROAD....?

ahah i cant believe the guy got pinked for this, you guys are harsh.

It's not mostly about crashing. More so about the drinking and driving part. Last I checked drinking and driving was illegal.

[ixfxi]

i would love to see this, only because it's been said that your car is in storage and has been in progress for at least 5 years.

fuck that car. i am tired of these projects, they drain you to death.
i am so tired and beat at the moment that i pushed my s13 out of the garage and tossed it outside. its under a cover and what not, but this mazda project has got me TIRED. fuck cars.


Today I rolled/flared/and tucked wires under my fenders. There was paint cracking even with the heat. It showed RED. I scrapped the hood...showed WHITE. The guy didn't even SAND IT....he is fucked for court and the BAR.

You thought he was gonna strip it down to metal AND paint it for $950? It's common practice to paint over paint

absolutely. and, its EXPECTED that when you paint over paint, for it not to stick anywhere as good as OEM. when you roll/flare/pull - you crack paint, no other way about it. the fact that you attempted this AFTER paint proves that you are a fucking retard. when I roll/pull, I always tell people that we will reach a point eventually... that paint will be damaged. FLATTENING the lip is about as far as you can go without paint damage... and even then, its risky.

im sure in this case the painter just scotch brited the car and called it a day