list of stock lsd's that will work on an s13

[XXX4life]

well i got a 90 240 so no lsd and after driving my buddies miata with an lsd last night i really need one, so i was gonna call the junkyards around and see what i can find, so can someone please tell me what lsd's are a direct bolt up to my 240?
thanks
:)

[KA24DESOneThree]

There are two options for an otherwise stock 240: lsd from another 240 with sport option package, or the 300ZX (Z32) normally aspirated lsd. The 240 lsd should be a straight bolt-up, but the 300ZX n/a lsd needs the S13 carriers. Don't even consider Q45 or 300ZX TT differentials, as they have higher gearing than the 240 and will result in slower acceleration.

[mrmephistopheles]

OneThree: easy, fella.. your info sounds like it's been thru the rumor mill once.. at the very least it's somewhat inaccurate. If you don't know for sure and 100%, don't talk like you're a sage.

XXX- just do some searches. stock s13 will bolt up of course, s14 will bolt up when you change rear cover. J30, Z32 NA work, but sometimes with different axles/output shafts.

[XXX4life]

i want a lsd that is a direct bolt up to my axles and everything

[DudeYourSoOOJDM]

higher gearing than the 240 and will result in slower acceleration.

higher gearing....4.3 means that it will go through the gears quicker. It wont have as much top end...but acceleration will feel much faster.

You can also make the R32 rear diff work. It is R200 w/ 4 bolt rear cover, all you need is either J30 or S13 VLSD axles....

[fk777]

Anyone tried or heard about the Phatom Grip LSD that they sell on ebay and at MMRUSA.com?

http://mmrusa.com/phantom1.htm (http://)
http://mmrusa.com/PhantomGripPic.jpg

[ryan hagen]

higher gearing....4.3 means that it will go through the gears quicker. It wont have as much top end...but acceleration will feel much faster..



why would they gear a car that has more power to have less top end and goes through the gears quicker? last i heard that a tt gear set made ur gearing longer and slower, but for my car with alot of junk on the motor my first gear is useless, it just spins, i launch in second if people want to race.......second gear is much too short also i bounce the rev limiter alot if i m screwin around practicing auto cross.

[Red]

I would think with more power you would want your gearing like 3.8 or so... With the extra power you could make use of the extra gearing... 4.3 Less gear would be good for drifting / road corse Anything you want huge power on right?

[ryan hagen]

u can match the rpms though with a speed if u get picky with your gearing

[JINX]

Anyone tried or heard about the Phatom Grip LSD that they sell on ebay and at MMRUSA.com?

http://mmrusa.com/phantom1.htm (http://)
http://mmrusa.com/PhantomGripPic.jpg


I talked to a scca recer who not only sells and installs them but won some races with it. He told me they work great. they give the dubble wheel spin we all want but has enough give to prevent the wheel from locking up in a turn. I wouldn't take it for gospel, but some of us don't have the $800-$1000
for the after market LSD's and cant get our hands on a jdm s13 LSD
$265 for the conversion kit dosen't sound so bad.

[sykikchimp]

vlsd's are cheap and plentifull. Phantom grip requires installation by a professional (or a pretty handy DIYer with good tools)

[Ghettokracker71]

vlsd's are cheap and plentifull. Phantom grip requires installation by a professional (or a pretty handy DIYer with good tools)
but finding a good shape one thats not worn-out thats local so shipping won't kill yah ?

[mbmbmb23]

I would think with more power you would want your gearing like 3.8 or so... With the extra power you could make use of the extra gearing... 4.3 Less gear would be good for drifting / road corse Anything you want huge power on right?


You're right.....but not about the "anything you want huge power on"....maybe you could say... "anything you want high torque/good throttle response with".

The TT gearing allows for a higher top end speed. Why give the 300ZX TT something like 4.3 gearing??...you'd just burn your tires up because 1st and 2nd gear would be un-driveable....especially when your T22 turbos spooled up at an earlier MPH point.

For the 180sx with the 4.3 gearing, remember that that car was built and sold to be a drift car, and was geared accordingly. The SR engine isn't torquey like the KA, therefore 4.3 gearing can make up for the fact that it's a high revving less torquey engine.

With this said, keep in mind that the KA was never meant to be paired with the 4.3 gearing....so it will be the torqe-iest (sp?) combination possible as an OEM LSD replacement.



For LSD's that will bolt up, heres the list (that I know of).

89-94 OEM VLSD
95-98 VLSD (with S13 diff cover swapped on)
90-96 NA Z32 VLSD (w/ pre 95 J30 axles or 180sx axles)
95+ J30 VLSD (with S13 Diff cover)
Pre 95 J30 VLSD (w/ 95+ J30 axles OR 180sx axles)
180sx VLSD with its own axles or pre 95 J30 axles

I'm thinking that pretty much anything that DIDNT come out of an S13 chassis will need an S13 diff cover (VLSD or open diff) swapped on.

Note: all VLSD's with the ABS sensor should probably have the 4 driveshaft-to-pinion bolts installed with the bolt head toward the engine (backwards).


There is some speculation as to whether or not the Z31 diff gearing guts (forget what year...but its like 3.6 or 3.7 gearing) can be swapped into an S13 pumpkin and work with the output shafts. This would give KA-T guys their 1st gear back (w/o burning out too easily), and would allow a higher top speed.

-m

[Jeff240sx]

There are two options for an otherwise stock 240: lsd from another 240 with sport option package, or the 300ZX (Z32) normally aspirated lsd. The 240 lsd should be a straight bolt-up, but the 300ZX n/a lsd needs the S13 carriers. Don't even consider Q45 or 300ZX TT differentials, as they have higher gearing than the 240 and will result in slower acceleration.

There is a difference in mixing things up, and just posting bullshit. Higher gearing = faster acceleration, and lower top speed. 300zx TT differentials have a 230mm ring, and literally won't fit. Won't fit in our pumpkin, won't fit in our subframe, just won't fit. The list above mine is correct.
-Jeff

[Gladman]

Anyone tried or heard about the Phatom Grip LSD that they sell on ebay and at MMRUSA.com?

http://mmrusa.com/phantom1.htm (http://)
http://mmrusa.com/PhantomGripPic.jpg


i've heard they're over-rated.

But i've heard of people taking them apart and replacing the spring they come with, with a much harder spring to make it stronger... but for $350 id get an VLSD.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Mrmephistopheles- I was right.
Hypersh1ft- When I said "higher" gear ratio, I meant lower numerically. Confusing, yes, but is accepted among gearheads.
Jeff- same goes for what I said to hypersh1ft. "Higher" gear ratio, lower numerically. I said to not even consider the 300ZX-TT diff, so I did not spread false information through that. Note both of my considerations are correct. I did not post the full list because, according to what I've read, the 240SX VLSD (S13, at least) and the 300ZX NA VLSD both have identical gear ratios to the stock open diff. I assumed XXX4life would like his accelerative powers to remain decent. I had also assumed he did not want to switch axles, but now that I have learned the Z32 NA VLSD requires axles, I will shrink my recommendation down to one: the VLSD from a 240.

[Jeff240sx]

Mrmephistopheles- I was right.
Hypersh1ft- When I said "higher" gear ratio, I meant lower numerically. Confusing, yes, but is accepted among gearheads.
Jeff- same goes for what I said to hypersh1ft. "Higher" gear ratio, lower numerically. I said to not even consider the 300ZX-TT diff, so I did not spread false information through that. Note both of my considerations are correct. I did not post the full list because, according to what I've read, the 240SX VLSD (S13, at least) and the 300ZX NA VLSD both have identical gear ratios to the stock open diff. I assumed XXX4life would like his accelerative powers to remain decent. I had also assumed he did not want to switch axles, but now that I have learned the Z32 NA VLSD requires axles, I will shrink my recommendation down to one: the VLSD from a 240.

Say what? You've been proved wrong so many times in this thread, and won't bow the fuck down and just say you're wrong.
You said, and I QUOTE! Don't even consider Q45 or 300ZX TT differentials, as they have higher gearing than the 240 and will result in slower acceleration.. NOTHING about the fact it won't fit. Just that the gear ratio is higher. He wanted a FULL list of differentials that would fit, he didn't give a pussy-footed "I only want the differentials with the same gear ratio" statement. a 3.9x ratio is a 6% loss. You'll get a 6% acceleration loss by bringing driving around with more than 1/4 tank of gas. And Mr. Allknowing, why don't you recommend a 95+ J30 differential? Slightly lower gear ratio (3.9x) but bolts right into 6-bolt axles. Why did you create this post to defend the fact you a) didn't post all the differentials, though you imply you know them, b) say you're not wrong about the TT diff, and c) your odd use of "higher" and "lower" as it pertains to gearing. That's a rebuttal to the entirety of your first post. Just say you didn't fucking know. I do when I'm wrong (right adey? what's that, twice in a week :doh: )
-Jeff

[mrmephistopheles]

Mrmephistopheles- I was right.

Actually, you weren't.

There are two options for an otherwise stock 240: lsd from another 240 with sport option package, or the 300ZX (Z32) normally aspirated lsd.
There are not JUST two options. Also wtf is a 'sport option package'? You mean a HICAS model? The only thing you're right about here is other s13s (there's a stretch) and NA Z32s.

The 240 lsd should be a straight bolt-up
If the car it came out of had ABS, it won't be, but otherwise yeah.

but the 300ZX n/a lsd needs the S13 carriers.
:hahano: <--- : hahano :

Don't even consider Q45 or 300ZX TT differentials, as they have higher gearing than the 240 and will result in slower acceleration.

Jeff already set you straight on that one.

Like I said,
If you don't know for sure and 100%, don't talk like you're a sage.

[Nismo1182]

Im using a 93 J30 diff and bolted right up with my half-shafts. The gearing is a tab bit lower. If you manage to get a diff from a J30 or another ABS equiped model, your going to have to push the driveshaft towards the front of the car to make it "fit" on the pumping end.

[Jeff240sx]

Jeff :rant: ka24desonethree :rant2: Mr.Meph.
Somehow, I doubt he'll be back.
-Jeff

[Nismo1182]

Jeff, you going to D-day this weekend? I'll be out there.

Hit me up on AIM: Nismo1182

[mrmephistopheles]

l o l

[KA24DESOneThree]

Jeff, your response does not even warrant a rebuttal.

[Ghettokracker71]

Jeff, your response does not even warrant a rebuttal.
This kids got balls....going at it with 2 mods including mr. meph....

[Jeff240sx]

Jeff, your response does not even warrant a rebuttal.

Dude. Drop it, seriously. You were wrong on all counts, and everyone who has read this thread realizes it.

XXX4Life, there is a list of lsd's that fit in the FAQ, posted by Drift Freaq. You need to change the viewing from "last 30 days" to "from the beginning." Or something like that.
-Jeff

[slohybrid]

how about a r-33 gt-s vlsd. does this also need the axles from a different vehicle? i know i have to change the rear diff cover but i was told the axles work as long as i use the hubs.

[Zemus]

While we are on the topics of Ring and Pinion.. I really want a 4.3 R&P, I know GT-S Skyline R32s had it, so did CA18DET diffs. But what other cars had that in the us, Ive heard a sketchy rumor old school Nissan Trucks had a 4.3 but that diff was a R180 but I hear the Ring and Pin fits.. Does anyone KNow!!