Need springs.

[Drifting Ricer]

I though I post about this. I have a 95 240sx. I wanted the Ws coilovers but got cheap and bought the Koni yellows. &nbsp;Now I found out after install the Koni with springs will run me as much the apexi Ws. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('> Now I want springs to go with the Koni's. Any suggestions H&amp;R, HKS, Pro-kit? I read old posts but still feel the need to make sure about this. I want a good drop and best performance possible. Do the Ws need upper mount to go in the car? Just thought I ask?

[tnord]

If you're willing to spend the extra money for camber plates (and adjustable control arm or whatever it is for the rear) to correct the allignment after a significant drop, Eibach Sportlines will drop the car about 2 inches. H&amp;R also make excellent springs that will do about the same. Both are progressively wound which you will want unless it is strictly for track purposes. &nbsp;I've also heard of a brand from japan that is progressively wound and has a stiffer rate than either Eibach of H&amp;R, can't remember the name though. &nbsp;If you don't want to mess around with allignment issues, get Eibach Pro-Kit, only springs i'm aware of that don't require any more than a usual tire shop allignment. &nbsp;I have the pro-kit and am happy with them. You're off to a good start with Koni shocks, they should be fine with any spring you get. &nbsp;

[tnord]

Stupid browser...........

(Edited by tnord at 9<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>4 am on Dec. 31, 2001)

[burgy240]

I can only tell you that I love my H$R springs!! &nbsp;They are stiff but still able to handle the potholes of the northern roads. &nbsp;!

[HippoSleek]

ha ha - after the autox topic, I knew this thread would be opened <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> &nbsp;Honestly, I think untill you use your car for regular off road events, a progressive spring and adjustable shock combo is the best option in performance and looks.

I'd recommend Eibach Pro Kits or kg/mm DR21 springs (the brand is kg/mm). &nbsp;The kg/mm's are about 2x as stiff as the Eibach's, but are still progressive and are said to offer excellent driving feel both on the streets and in autox. &nbsp;Ditto the Pro Kits, but w/ a bit less stiffness which means more street comfort, but a slightly less sporty feel (although I've not heard any complaints about them for occasional track use). &nbsp;In either case, if your car is 80% or more used for street, coilovers are a waste of money, a major discomfort, and a hella PITA if one leaks on you. &nbsp;The Koni's offer great performance w/ either of these choices (few other shocks could stand up to the kg/mm's) and are the only USDM s14 shocks to offer enough valving to run well w/ lowering springs.

About the Sportlines - I've heard numerous complaints about the drop relative to the rate. &nbsp;The rate on the SL's is too low for the extra .5&quot; over the Pro-Kits. &nbsp;The result is that they bottom out the struts under agressive driving. &nbsp;I know Takumi has complained about this and I believe that uuninja has HTS short-stroke dampers to go w/ his.

[Drifting Ricer]

What are kg/mm DR21 springs were can I get them? Any site to them. Yeah maybe the Coilsovers are over kill. Just wanted really good handling. Hmmm. Okay I'll keep the the konis now to find out more about this DR21. I wanted the most sporty feel I can get. (skrew street comfort). &nbsp;It can't be any worst them my shocks I have now. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>.

[Takumi]

<a href="http://www.shinkairacing.com/KGMM.htm

There." target="_blank">http://www.shinkairacing.com/KGMM.htm

There.</a> &nbsp;That's the only place I could find them. &nbsp;I ran a search on google.com.

[Drifting Ricer]

Thanx Takumi. what's the drop on those. Seems I need a camber kit with that??? Do I? Hmmm anyone have these? Hippo are these better them prokit? There more money$$$ I look into it more when I get home from work.

[Drifting Ricer]

Hmmm that brand is not well know. Still can't find a site to buy the DR21 ¬ _¬. Too bad so know I'm thinking HKS vs the pro-kit?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>? Which is stiffer better drop?

[dementedS14]

i have the Tanabe Superdowns on my 96 S14 and i love them not to bouncy drop was 2 inch front and back i still have stock struts and shocks......... &nbsp;i would recomend these

[drift freaq]

Well KG/mm are pretty awesome springs you can get them at shinkai racing in New Jersey. www.shinkairacing.com there are consider to be one of the new hot setups in Japan with tokico HTS short stroke adjustable shocks. I was going to get them but I got a deal on some HKS Super sports so I am just getting the HTS's . Later on I may go coilover.

Happy New Year

[tristarx]

www.jspec.com also carries the KG/MM's with HTS short stroke combo.

Tx.



(Edited by tristarx at 4:22 am on Jan. 1, 2002)

[Drifting Ricer]

Thankx people, But thier close today. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('>. I e-mailed www.shinkairacing.com and called them. So still no reply. Guess I have to wait. (I hate waiting.)

[jyt747]

I have kgmm springs on my 96 s14 and they're grrrreat! &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> &nbsp;My friend who's in the navy stopped over in Japan and picked up a set for me. I need to get some good shocks tho, so if you do get the springs, let me know how your shock/spring combo is. Thanks

[KoukiS14]

Finally a place that has KG/MM springs for S14!!

I could never find a #### place to buy 'em. .

-Rob

[Drifting Ricer]

They replied to me, yay!!!!! Ordering tomorrow! One of the guys owns a 240sx. I told him about this place. Still is a little while longer until I have suspension done. I want a cusco bar too.

[s14vaxlr8]

tanabe here too...i likem

[Drifting Ricer]

Hey jyt747 wha't the drop one those? The guy never told me in his e-mail? Guess I'll have to call tomorrow. I'll let everyone know when I get everything done. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[Drifting Ricer]

I sent away for my springs today, couldn't do it yesterday. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('>. Well I got the KG/MM with a CUSCO strut tower bar. (Yes ace I copy of you). I sent away for N1 single today too. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>. So I am getting everything done. The parts should be here by next week I post pics for you guys. Thanks to everyone on this thread for helping me out.

[jyt747]

The drop for the springs is about 1.25 to 1.5. I like them cause they're not too slammed and I don't always have to worry about scraping the front lip. You're eventually going to have to get some good shocks tho. That's what I'm trying to save up for. How much did you get your N1 for? I'm not sure if I should go custom or not.

[Drifting Ricer]

I have Koni's yellow you must of not read the first post. I got the N1 single for $425. &nbsp;After this I'm thinking racing pedals.

[jyt747]

ahhh icic said the blind man. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> Let me know how the shock/spring combo works out for you. I'm thinking of getting koni's as well. You must've had a pretty good Christmas to get all this stuff at once. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[Grant]

burgy, do you have any alignment problems with the H&amp;R springs? did you need camber correction or anything like that?

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Drifting Ricer on 10:38 am on Jan. 3, 2002
I sent away for my springs today, couldn't do it yesterday. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('>. Well I got the KG/MM with a CUSCO strut tower bar. (Yes ace I copy of you). </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
When you get everything installed we can do another round of karting.... maybe you'll be able to keep up with me <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>
I was leaning towards getting a stiffer suspension, but the Sportlines are stiff enough for me as it is with GR2's. &nbsp;With Koni's up front and whatever I get for the rear, it should be all set to not bottom out. &nbsp;As it is, I feel every little bump in the road... every dip, rut, crack.... pillow ball mounts will just increase this. &nbsp; Those KG/MM springs will make your car feel like a frickin go-kart <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> &nbsp;so far though, going to low profile, stickier tires has made the biggest difference. &nbsp;Eventually though... a good set of JIC coilovers..... twice as stiff as the sportlines <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> (and then I'll REALLY complain on my backroads)
My set up as it is: Khumo Ecsta Supra 225/45/17 (i think), Eibach Sportlines (which I wish were slightly stiffer sometimes, and glad aren't so stiff on some back roads), KYB GR2's. &nbsp;The Koni's are at my apt, and I need rear shocks and swaybars. &nbsp;Anyone know a good place to get (externally) adjustable rear shocks for the S14??

[Drifting Ricer]

jyt747 Well I been running stock since 08/01. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('> So I been planning this for a long time. &nbsp;I like doing things in bulks. I wonder what if I should think about getting pillow ball mounts or not? I might do the SR before I do low profile tires. How much of a difference do tires make anyway :confused:. Next time ace give ride in you're car I want to know how much of a difference do tires make. &nbsp;I think the HTS short-stroke dampers &nbsp;or the only other adjustable shocks for the s14 in the US. You can get them in http://www.shinkairacing.com . Not sure if the rear are externally adjustable.

[AceInHole]

#### yeah... this whole month i have nothin to do.... wanna go race again?? I wanna try and beat that track record <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>
If you want you can drive my car around (if there are better roads than the one going to F1BOSTON). &nbsp;In the meantime I'm going to attempt to fix my rear swaybar and put it on, and possibly even install the Koni's. &nbsp;
For rear shocks, I think I'm gonna get GAB Super HP's if they still exist.
Tires make a big diff, especially with compound and sidewall strength. &nbsp;With low profile tires, there is obviously less flex.... &nbsp;it's very noticeable compared to the stock wheels. &nbsp;Dude... try mine!!!

[Drifting Ricer]

My next planned meet is in FEB. But if don't want to wait them we could meet up agian. There some pretty nice roads around f1boston. I'll hit them up this sat. I want all my parts in my car before we meet up thought. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>. Maybe I should invate some of my ricer friends next time?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Drifting Ricer on 8:58 pm on Jan. 3, 2002
My next planned meet is in FEB. But if don't want to wait them we could meet up agian. There some pretty nice roads around f1boston. I'll hit them up this sat. I want all my parts in my car before we meet up thought. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>. Maybe I should invate some of my ricer friends next time?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
the more the merrier. &nbsp;if you're down, i'm up to drop by on sat, even just to chill for a bit. &nbsp;show me those roads and i'll show you some serious turn taking <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[Drifting Ricer]

Well my car is not up to task right now. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('> Blown shocks and bad exhaust. Next week I'll have something to brag about. Wait until them really. I need practice this weekend. I say give it untill next weekend. In fact I'll e-mail you from this point on. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[AceInHole]

baaah.... who cares about blown shocks. &nbsp;I just wanna race at F1Boston again <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

I NEED to break that track record!!!

[Drifting Ricer]

You got mail. :biggrin:.

[drift freaq]

swaybars ? One word Whiteline!! some of the best. Springs ?? well I am trying out a set of HKS super sports got em for $200 so could not resist . Otherwise would have bought the KG/MM's .
Shocks? Tokico HTS short stroke. Later on may consider coilovers.
peaceout

[Drifting Ricer]

Got my stuff together today <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
http://community.webshots.com/storage/1/v4/0/6/70/28900670kEHllKtAot_ph.jpg

The UPS guy was mad because of the Huge exhaust he had to bring to my 2nd floor apartment.
Thank you everyone I'll have complete pics this FRIDAY!

[Takumi]

How much you got the springs and shocks for and where? o_o

[AceInHole]

####.. i need rear shocks and swaybars.... your car's gonna be even stiffer than mine!! (well, i have low profile tires tho...)

[West]

If it were me I would either get HKS, KG/MM's or get the Ground Control Coilovers so I could get adjustible height and a specefic spring rate.

<a href="http://www.zilvia.net/pages/installs/doc/springrates13.asp" target='_blank'>http://www.zilvia.net/pages/installs/doc/springrates13.asp</a>

<a href="http://www.zilvia.net/pages/installs/doc/springrates14.asp" target='_blank'>http://www.zilvia.net/pages/installs/doc/springrates14.asp</a>

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from WeST on 1:21 pm on Jan. 9, 2002
If it were me I would either get HKS, KG/MM's or get the Ground Control Coilovers so I could get adjustible height and a specefic spring rate.

<a href="http://www.zilvia.net/pages/installs/doc/springrates13.asp" target='_blank'>http://www.zilvia.net/pages/installs/doc/springrates13.asp</a>

<a href="http://www.zilvia.net/pages/installs/doc/springrates14.asp" target='_blank'>http://www.zilvia.net/pages/installs/doc/springrates14.asp</a>
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

he did get the KG/MM springs....???
meanwhile... does GC have an S14 application yet?? &nbsp;I wonder how much an adjustable 400lb/in setup would run....

(Edited by AceInHole at 1:25 pm on Jan. 9, 2002)

[Nismos14]

whats the stiffest non-adjustable spring for s-14s?

[West]

kg/mm DR Racing, or so I think.

Unless you can get Ground Control to make stuff for the s14 and then get custom spring rates.

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from WeST on 3:30 pm on Jan. 9, 2002
kg/mm DR Racing, or so I think.

Unless you can get Ground Control to make stuff for the s14 and then get custom spring rates.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
yeah... just like AGX's... I thought us S14 owners got jipped outta GC units... &nbsp;someone tell me i'm wrong (in at least one case)

[Drifting Ricer]

I got them of .http://www.shinkairacing.com/(If you want them talk to guy called elliot) He owns an S13.

I would like to correct MARK. I have S21 they don't make DR21 for the s14 (I think).
There
FRONT 4.6K
REAR &nbsp; 4.0K
Seem like they favor understeer on this springs.