View Full Version : GReddy Kit for KA24de
240sxconversion
02-07-2004, 07:51 AM
ok, you all probably know about this kit already and i am just taking up your time, but in Turbo magazine i seen this kit. It claims 220 RWHP on 8 psi. The kit cose like 4400, But my problem is i have a 91 240 this says second generation does that mean like the s14 or what?? Oh and does anyone acually have this kit on there car, would like to know how it performs. Or should i save my money and get a SR swap??
ultraprince
02-07-2004, 11:17 AM
you might hear serch, but from what i heard, fitment wise, it is for the s14. i searched it last night and found some ~2,600 no intercooler. I have a side mount i'm gonna use for mine, and the only reason I want to go with the greddy kit is because i live in CA. i would search around for kits specific to your car. xs engeinnering, fmax, and quite a few others.
phrozen
02-07-2004, 01:59 PM
you could swap 95+ motor into your 91, I asked this question a few months back. I needed a new motor and i wanted the greddy kit, i live in CA so legal is a must, its easier to install the kit on a 96 then it is a 95, its easier to swap a 95 in a 91 then it is to swap a 96, I didnt come up with much when i was planning on doing this.
Basicially from what i understand from others, the 91 wont work wiht the 95+ kit, the 95 motor will but will require greddy emanage, 96 motor is bolt on but is harder to swap in due to obd-II stuff, 97 and 98 motors are obd-II and there is more work to make a 91 car obd-II compliant... some peopel said it isnt worth trying, no one is certian if your car would be legal since ur still using a 91 chassis even tho ur car would be smog legal if u swap a 95+ motor.
Ur best best is comtact ur local smog people and see what they say
240sxconversion
02-07-2004, 03:32 PM
The only smog rules we have here in Pa is u gota have a catalytic converter present. They dont check to see if its gutted, just as long as u have the housing for it. I dont know if i wana swap out the KA for a SR or should i keep the KA, Opinions are welcome, plz dont flame each others posts, just sorta wana get down to a ball park range so i know what i want
OptionZero
02-07-2004, 08:17 PM
Only works on '96-'98 KA24DE's w/ OBDII. The trouble of swapping an OBI ECU to OBDII would the kit far too expensive.
pr240sx
02-07-2004, 09:24 PM
I think that you can install the kit BUT the piping will be custom made
As for the Emanage settings, check if the one included is a specific one or just the shelf one. both engines are identical (mechanical wise) but the placement of the piping changes, including the downpipe.
I am researching this topic myself as I have a 93.
As far I am concerned, the kit will fit (exh. mani, turbo placement lines etc..)The only thing keeping me back is the Emanage itself. Right now I am checking if the unit is different or not.
IMO if you need to swap your engine and then install the kit is not feasible as an SR swap will be cheaper and more reliable (only 1 engine to swap!!) and no kit needed
phrozen
02-08-2004, 01:39 AM
the kit does work on the 95... u need greddy emanage tho, i might be swapping a 96 motor and purchasing this kit during the spring sometime.. for us cali guys having a carb sticker to throw in a chp's face is important
s13srmadness
02-08-2004, 07:32 AM
the kit does work on the 95... u need greddy emanage tho, i might be swapping a 96 motor and purchasing this kit during the spring sometime.. for us cali guys having a carb sticker to throw in a chp's face is important
why dont you guys see if you can purchase it minus the emanage or just sell off the emanage. then you can get a plug and play jwt ecu or put the money towards some other standalone.
screw the emanage.
russian
02-08-2004, 07:45 AM
you dont need to swap the motor. the problem is in the ECU. like it was said you need OBD2 isnted obd1, the kit is 2600+700Greedy intrcooler+Greedy profec 500= 3800$
even if you dont have the obd2 you can use it with profec controller.
russian
02-08-2004, 07:46 AM
the kit does work on the 95... u need greddy emanage tho, i might be swapping a 96 motor and purchasing this kit during the spring sometime.. for us cali guys having a carb sticker to throw in a chp's face is important
its carb pending.
eh? i don't think the e-manage wil be a problem at all. even if it's tuned a little different, changing a couple settings or whatever should not be too bad. just gotta know what they changed and what's different between the s14 and s13. and forget obd, if you swap a s14 motor, just use the s14 block and head and you should be fine, use everything else from the s13. but forget all this, the problem i see is the chassis is different from the s13 and an s14 kit won't bolt up directly. and what's the point of getting a kit if it won't bolt up? might as well buy what you need.
OptionZero
02-08-2004, 11:43 AM
No, i'm pretty sure the CARB # was issued, there was a thread on it a week or two back, do a search.
ryan hagen
02-08-2004, 01:17 PM
the s14 wire harness has more sensors and different sensors and even runs differnt currents than a s14, i use a s14 intake manifold on my s13 and the water temp sensor doesnt work cause i guess they are differnt but have the same plug. u dont need to swap the motor for the greddy kit you need to swap the ecu and harness, the s14 also uses a internal coil in the distrubutor amoung other differences.
the harness would require alot of spiceing to put it in cause none of the connectors are the same, i bought a usdm s14 fornt clip a 95 to be exact to swap into my 91, way too much time and wireing would take a month, with the ka's there is no real difernce until u get into the 97 and 98 ka's they swithc to a single row upper chain in there some where and ditched the dual. only other problme i could think of with the greddy kit was that the turbo might no clear the brake master in a s13.??? so if u are swaping a motor jsut to use the kit it wont help, u need the electronics......
the fuel maps will probally be differnt so the base tuning might be differnt too, i hear that the s13 camed cars have weaker timing and fuel than the late becaus ehte late got more tuning to put the same power with weaker cams.
alot of this is jsut stuff i picked up, but i know form at one time haveing both engine bays side by side and trying to paln the swap that it will in no way be easy and will require a ton of rewireing.......
if you want to use a s14 ka, swap the exhaust manifold, the distributor, swap the lower intake manifold and the water temp sensor and you should be good, the upper intake form the s14 doesnt have them butterfly plates, it nice i use it on mine
the s14 wire harness has more sensors and different sensors and even runs differnt currents than a s14
what?
anyway, i don't think you need to switch the ecu, the e-manage is a universal piggyback. as long as you switch the settings and wire it up right, it should work... and i wouldn't worry about fuel maps and stuff, i doubt they tuned it to make it perfect, prob just for injector size and stuff... in which case it would be smart to get it tuned anyway... my biggest concern would be fitment of the kit... but whatever, i don't have first hand experience, just what i think i know.
ryan hagen
02-08-2004, 03:37 PM
what?
anyway, i don't think you need to switch the ecu, the e-manage is a universal piggyback. as long as you switch the settings and wire it up right, it should work... and i wouldn't worry about fuel maps and stuff, i doubt they tuned it to make it perfect, prob just for injector size and stuff... in which case it would be smart to get it tuned anyway... my biggest concern would be fitment of the kit... but whatever, i don't have first hand experience, just what i think i know.
i guess the water temp sensor runs different, there is a intake temp sensor taht is differnt, a extra o2 sensor, soem have amore pins depending on what year(heated o2) 95 has singal pin, the ditributor is differnt, it has a extra sensor maybe a map sensor on the lower intake manifold, and then a crank sensor of some kind on the bellhousing....
pr240sx
02-21-2004, 11:05 PM
But why swap engines??
Does the E manage in the kit is specific to a OBDII 240sx?
Maybe to be CARB exempt but to install it?
I know for sure that the piping is different (dunno how much) but phisically speaking, should bolt on. Whats the main differences between a 91 and 95 engine, mechanically speaking.
Both exhaust manifold have the same bolt pattern, right?
Both intake mani are the same, right?
maybe a couple sensors here and there, so maybe the wiring is quite different but hey, check the FSM!!
SO dunno any reason why you may need to change the engine other than CARB EO
I am looking at the same kit for a 93, but nobody here and even on freshalloy knows if the kit will "fit" so maybe here somebody knows and help clear my mind a little bit
nightwalker
02-22-2004, 02:44 AM
Your best bet will be to use the hardware and chuck the e-manage for a JWT ecu for a S13. The CARB exemption will be VERY usefull for Cali folks. I've been pondering this route. I'm just not a big fan of the greddy manifold. *Maybe I'll buy the kit just for the Carb EO sticker.... :goyou:
ryan hagen
02-22-2004, 01:12 PM
the sensor diference would require to swap ecu's, distributor and wire harness's, and to the sensors that would be my guess, but mechanically speaking you wouldnt need the whole motor. also i d swap the upper intake manifold or do the butterfly removal to gain the extra flow, the butterflies would only hurt your flow and boost i would think would close them but i might be wrong but anyways they restict air flow. i d go with what nightwalker said, maybe tape in the emanage so it looks installed then get the ecu tuned similiar to it then u have the stickers and take the jwt stickers off the ecu. you could be all 007 tricky with it, but i t d be a waste of a emanage.
But why swap engines??
Does the E manage in the kit is specific to a OBDII 240sx?
Maybe to be CARB exempt but to install it?
I know for sure that the piping is different (dunno how much) but phisically speaking, should bolt on. Whats the main differences between a 91 and 95 engine, mechanically speaking.
Both exhaust manifold have the same bolt pattern, right?
Both intake mani are the same, right?
maybe a couple sensors here and there, so maybe the wiring is quite different but hey, check the FSM!!
SO dunno any reason why you may need to change the engine other than CARB EO
I am looking at the same kit for a 93, but nobody here and even on freshalloy knows if the kit will "fit" so maybe here somebody knows and help clear my mind a little bit
Ghettokracker71
02-22-2004, 01:27 PM
somebody just needs to make a fucking turbo kit for the S13.....thats actually good,and affordable,and upgradeable!
Natty
02-22-2004, 02:31 PM
Damn, the greddy kit for a Miata is only $1200. What extra hardware make it cost so damn much? Maybe they are just taking advantage of the bandwagon ;)
ryan hagen
02-22-2004, 02:36 PM
that tdo6 costs what 550 most of the time on ebay, i m sure the miata uses a smaller turbo
Jeff240sx
02-22-2004, 03:13 PM
From what I've read on it, the E-manage that's included with the Greddy kit is unprogramable, making it useless to sell off. And, is programmed for OBD-II 96-98 240sx's.
-Jeff
Ghettokracker71
02-22-2004, 03:42 PM
that tdo6 costs what 550 most of the time on ebay, i m sure the miata uses a smaller turbo
Miata engine=not alot of power to push a big turbo
matchgrade
02-24-2004, 12:20 PM
I just spoke to someone at GReddy and he said it's still CARB pending, not approved yet.
S14DB
02-25-2004, 03:21 PM
The eManage only ties into the Injector harness and the MAF sensor.
You can get the install Manual from greddy here: http://www.greddy.com/prodimages/240sx%20tk%20instruction.pdf
The fuel maps are pass locked so you can't change them only trim them with a e01. you can always just blow away there maps and make your own on the dyno.
Wow... Your all kinda tarded...
Here it is... The Greddy TD06-20G Turbo kit will bolt up to a 95 - 98 The E-manage is pre programmed for the 96 - 98...
ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS PURCHACE THE SUPPORT TOOL. (IE the program and cord for $100) THEN YOU CAN RETUNE THE E-MANAGE FOR THE 95...
Its very easy... I have the turbo kit guna be installed soon
And guess what... I calld GREDDY to find out if I could retune it for my 95 so dont try and blow smoke up my ass the tech said it works fine they just set it up for the more common car from the factory.
S14DB
02-25-2004, 05:47 PM
thanks Asshole. you can tune the emanage to any ECU. all it does is act like a fancy AFC. still gonna be alot of work to make your own map. some dyno time in your future.
it's a piggyback, not that much work.
Grandpa
02-25-2004, 08:33 PM
Yup, takes about an hour on the dyno with a competent tuner.
I got mine 90% close tuning on the street. That was with a wideband but no datalogging. With datalogging, I could've gotten it about 99% right.
-john
fliprayzin240sx
02-25-2004, 11:45 PM
the kit does work on the 95... u need greddy emanage tho, i might be swapping a 96 motor and purchasing this kit during the spring sometime.. for us cali guys having a carb sticker to throw in a chp's face is important
Hey jason...u lookin for an OBD-II DOHC...i got one with ur name on it. Only needs the tranny to be rebuilt which David *knghtryde* can do for $500 with beefier gears and better gearing.
phrozen
02-25-2004, 11:59 PM
i can use my tranny its good and all ka trannys are interchangeable, was there anything wrong with the motor whtn ur tranny went out? pm me some info
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