Super HICAS?

[andarou]

Anyone drift with the the stock VLSD on the S-HICAS 240sx?

I'm torn between a shell w/o hicas and eventually weld/j30 (money needed) or a shell with the hicas vlsd.

Just want some feedback with people who have or had the S-HICAS 240 and can give me past experience..

(im doing some web-searching atm as well)

[AutechKouki]

VLSD sucks for drifting. Just get it welded since money is an issue. A 20 year old VLSD is no better than an open. The welded with suck when you turn, but will be great once lose. Or you can save up an get a 2way. Best money I ever spent.

[zerodameaon]

A welded is no less daily friendly then a open or a VLSD if you know how to drive a car. Parallel parking becomes a little harder but its still very doable. As for the Hicas or non hicas shell, go with the one w/o, its going to be cheaper in the long run as you don't have to worry about that flimsy toe rod setup back there along with canceling out the Hicas.

[shaggy sr]

Vlsd is like BASE 300zx. If I'm not mistaken. That's wut I heard.
the j30 has a different ratio. I'm thinkn abt buyin vlsd for my s14.

[Silentoreo34]

Well my 1st 240 was a super hicas. Basically 90% of the time the hicas is going to fail/in the process of failing. Everyone i've met with a hicas/guys with 300zx TT's just end up getting a different subframe and/or the hicas locking/stopper bars(easier/cheaper). If your going to be using the car for drifting the super hicas is gonna make it much harder going along with that a vlsd isn't really highly recommended for drifter either its more for grip and so is the hicas system.

Your best bet is to get a 240 without hicas and also just weld the diff. You could get a J30 diff if its your daily but to ensure that it locks nicely you should probably get it shimmed, so it locks nice and hard(what she said). Thats my .02

[drift freaq]

Seriously if the car is clean Hicas or not just get it. It is getting so much harder to find clean ones these days you should take what you can get and deal with it.

As for the VLSD Being the same as one the in the 300zx actually the Z has the same gearing but the VLSD itself is stronger because its setup to run behind a Higher HP and TQ engine.

Regardless of all that if the car comes with a VLSD use it and learn. Once you have learned step up a buy a clutch pack LSD screw the welded bullshit.

Welded diffs are for cheap ass's who don't want to spend money to run the better unit i.e. a clutch pack LSD.
I am so sick of all these cheap ass multi colored beaters with welded diffs. The worst is the ones that drive bad ass dailies and then cheap out on the their 240's. Using the excuse of its a drift car. Fuck that shit.

[zerodameaon]

Seriously if the car is clean Hicas or not just get it. It is getting so much harder to find clean ones these days you should take what you can get and deal with it.

As for the VLSD Being the same as one the in the 300zx actually the Z has the same gearing but the VLSD itself is stronger because its setup to run behind a Higher HP and TQ engine.

Regardless of all that if the car comes with a VLSD use it and learn. Once you have learned step up a buy a clutch pack LSD screw the welded bullshit.

Welded diffs are for cheap ass's who don't want to spend money to run the better unit i.e. a clutch pack LSD.
I am so sick of all these cheap ass multi colored beaters with welded diffs. The worst is the ones that drive bad ass dailies and then cheap out on the their 240's. Using the excuse of its a drift car. Fuck that shit.

Good point pick the cleaner chassis regardless of what it has.

He said money is an issue, so spending the money he has allotted on a worn out useless VLSD is still the proper way to go? I don't follow your logic. I would take a welded over a worn out open/VLSD any day but at the same time a 2 way above all, the cheapest of which are $900 new and $600 used. Save up for the 2 way but weld your diff an have fun if you want to. Its your car in the long run.

As for the Z car, the NA are the only ones that have the same gearing. The TT uses higher gearing making it useless in a S13 unless you switch the ring gear, the housing itself is also bigger at R230 vs R200 for the NA/S13. You can always switch the ring gears which doesn't take very long even doing it correctly but its not a 1 for 1 swap

[hOngsterr]

only thing i would take from a hicas car, the steering rack and the diff cover.

[GhostlyCoupe]

VLSD's work fine to learn on. Don't waste $1000 on a diff until you need it.

Welded diff with a new driver is just a recipe for disaster.

[Silentoreo34]

Seriously if the car is clean Hicas or not just get it. It is getting so much harder to find clean ones these days you should take what you can get and deal with it.

+1 for the cleaner chassis can't disagree there.

As the weld diff goes its cheap it works but real diffs are soo much nicer as long as you take care of them with normal fluid changes. I myself started on a welded diff it got the job done but I still wish I just did a 2-way off the bat.

[drift freaq]

Good point pick the cleaner chassis regardless of what it has.

He said money is an issue, so spending the money he has allotted on a worn out useless VLSD is still the proper way to go? I don't follow your logic. I would take a welded over a worn out open/VLSD any day but at the same time a 2 way above all, the cheapest of which are $900 new and $600 used. Save up for the 2 way but weld your diff an have fun if you want to. Its your car in the long run.

As for the Z car, the NA are the only ones that have the same gearing. The TT uses higher gearing making it useless in a S13 unless you switch the ring gear, the housing itself is also bigger at R230 vs R200 for the NA/S13. You can always switch the ring gears which doesn't take very long even doing it correctly but its not a 1 for 1 swap


nothing personal but you should realize who you are trying to school. LOL I know all about the TT and the different gearing. As far as my comments go on the VSLD honestly used ones that are driven by Normal people are usually not worn out. I have sold many of them over the years. The trick is not to buy it from some kid.

I am just not a fan of welded diffs especially for inexperienced drivers. Plus you can find used clutch packs in very good shape for $500 sometimes even less. You just have to know what you are doing and where to purchase them.
Oh and you can pick up JDM VLSD's as well which are usually even lower mileage than the ones you get from yards here.

Anyways I had my say in this thread. Is juts going to go round and round now with the welded fans saying screw everything run welded and others pointing out its wiser to run a clutch pack LSD.



I am out, you guys have a nice time arguing.

[zerodameaon]

andarou, get what ever car is better, and if it has a VLSD cool, if it doesn't, weld it up and learn to drift and save for a proper LSD. Drift Freaq is one of the old timers who wants everyone's car to be like his. That being said though don't let your car be one of those shit boxes, always strive for better.

And I never said it wasn't wise to run a clutch packed, just run what you can afford but don't waste your time with VLSDs.

[drift freaq]

andarou, get what ever car is better, and if it has a VLSD cool, if it doesn't, weld it up and learn to drift and save for a proper LSD. Drift Freaq is one of the old timers who wants everyone's car to be like his. That being said though don't let your car be one of those shit boxes, always strive for better.

And I never said it wasn't wise to run a clutch packed, just run what you can afford but don't waste your time with VLSDs.

Dude stop making assumptions about something you don't know.

I don't want everyone's car to be like mine. I do like to see people do things right rather than going down the half ass road.

Giving a inexperienced driver a welded diff is a recipe for a wrecked car. Welded diffs are completely unforgiving as they are constantly locked. In the hands of inexperienced driver that is trouble.

That is the only reason I recommended a VLSD for the OP.

If you are not smart enough to realize that then you should not be giving advice. Especially since you are a premie.


Oh and while your at it on the assumptions, I do not run a VLSD. My car does have a clutch pack.

[zerodameaon]

And your assuming he doesnt know how to drive and I will leave it at that.

[andarou]

Thanks for all the input.. I have a 91 hicas hatch and a 92 non-hicas hatch.. both are rolling shells at the moment. The non-hicas has a completely stripped interior super gutted. The hicas has a pretty clean interior, still has all carpet/dash (no seats).

The non-hicas stripped shell has stock front struts + eibach springs and rear kyb struts with tien springs. Besides some ran gauges for af and oil pressure, the hicas is completely stock but has an interior in tact..

both bodies exterior wise are clean. The non-hicas has a kouki 180sx aftermarket bumper and is clean all around. The hicas is pretty much just clean except the rear hatch has a rust hole on it.

They were both posted on here (minus major info and an assortment of pictures) for sale a little while back in classifieds. Seller is pretty cool as the hicas had a ca18 swap in it previously and the non-hicas had an sr20 in it pulled prior to sale. (seller was going to rb but decided just to go with something different overall)

[wangan_cruiser]

if you want to learn to drift start with a vlsd. since you already have it in your car why not use it for the moment. when you feel like you are not getting any better with the vlsd then it is a sign to move up with something better.

i wont preach about how welded sucks because i have one laying but will be ready to use when i step on a skidpad.

but i would recommend use a vlsd then try to drive on an auto-x event to test out your skills. it is more safer because you only have to hit cones when you miss a corner.

if you looking for good opinions here, look for the people that been here for the longest. pm them.