Engine Swaps

What do you all think of shoving a big v-8 into a 240?  those ford 5.0s are laying around everywhere, and cheap they are.  what do you guys think? what would be wrong with it? cost more than the SR or turbo KA?

[DSC]

It would be heavy as ####. Install would be expensive as ####. And It probably wouldn't even fit. If you want a v-8 you would probably just want to buy a mustang to start off with.

this is why i don't buy a mustang


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####, that's the second time someone tried to shoo me off. you guys don't want me in the nissan camp or what?

[Zenki Two40]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from NiseSlut on 1:44 am on Dec. 29, 2001
this is why i don't buy a mustang


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####, that's the second time someone tried to shoo me off. you guys don't want me in the nissan camp or what? </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
he just meant it would be more practical for a mustang n u wouldn't have to waste ur money on a custom install if it would work. stick w/ the 240's though <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[S13 Passion]

dont ruin a 240 with a shitty american engine.

[Takumi]

Well....that's just how it is. You want a V8, get a car equipped with one because it's already a bitch on it's own to get it to fit in there and it's so impractical that it's the only choice. You might as well use that money to either swap in an SR20DET and build the #### out of it or take the stock KA24, turbocharge it, and tune the sucker up to crazy amounts of horsepower. At least those are more practical options. Plus your weight distribution won't be so thrown off. Having an engine that's almost twice the size of your current engine would give you a shitty power-to-weight ratio. Like I said, you might as well build something that won't likely throw off your weight in the front and on top of that, give you much better results.

I'm pretty sure people have had ideas of sticking a V8 in their imports..but there's a reason why people don't do it ya know?

[BlankFlip]

i mean, it would be cool to see a 240 w/ a v8 set up at a show or something, but i wouldn't wanna drive that thing around everywhere.

what about one of those rotary engines?

[BlankFlip]

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what about one of those rotary engines?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
like out of an rx-7? hmm...i guess it would fit n it would be possible, but as everybody would tell u, for the $ and power, the sr is the best solution that's virtually hassle free compared to custom jobs.

[White240sx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from NiseSlut on 11:44 pm on Dec. 28, 2001
####, that's the second time someone tried to shoo me off. you guys don't want me in the nissan camp or what?
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If you are going to build a drag racer go for it, a V8 will blow the #### out of any 4-cylider. ####, there are full interior 350 Camaros running 8's and 9's on 92 octane. I can't even imagine what it would do in a car that is almost 1000lbs lighter.

If you want to be able to drive this thing in the turns, don't count on with an iron V8 up front. The turn in will most likely be terrible due to an increased polar moment of inertia.

If you want a little more track worthy spring for something all aluminum like the VH. With a couple spools in the fenders it would be unstoppable. Of course this may be better suited for a Z car.;)

[ca18guy]

If you want to do that, it would be more suited for a 240Z, it wiegh's less anyway. You can set those up to handle just as well with a V8 as you could with a stock engine. A Chevy (not down with Ford) small block does'nt wiegh as much as people think and is a fairly compact motor, I bet you it would fit. As for the rotary engine, do a search in the tech forum, we were just talking about that. Of course i'm willing to bet 50 bucks that you do no swap, and were just answering any wierd idea that pop's in your head.

[DuffMan]

I've often wondered about it, since people have done it in Z's and Rx7's with good results. I dunno if weight distrobution and handling would work out right. But come to think of it, an all aluminum Chevy SB couldn't weigh much more than an iron KA, could it? They aren't very big either.

[DSC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from NiseSlut on 11:44 pm on Dec. 28, 2001
...####, that's the second time someone tried to shoo me off. you guys don't want me in the nissan camp or what?
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>Sorry NiseSlut, I didn't mean it to come off like that. Like Zenki said, I was just saying it wouldn't be pratical.

[AJ]

i have a vid of a 240z with a v8 destroying a r1 road bike <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> thing freaking rooollss..

[keepitmovin]

Can you send me a link or something?

[AJ]

umm,, i got it off of morpheus... give me ur email and i can send it if i still have it around.. i'll look.

[Zemus]

Dood if u want a big engine get a RB26DETT baby!!!, fuck the big block, fuck the v8, go skyline power all they way, its heavy and more power dood, and might even be cheaper (probably not, but still it is leet core man)

[LanceS13]

V8's are a popular swap for 240Z's but I've never heard of one in a 240SX though. &nbsp;Couldn't be that much different though. &nbsp;The SX has a pretty roomy engine bay so I'm willing to bet it could be done without many fitting issues. &nbsp;You would have to work out custom mounts and drivetrain components. &nbsp;For the money you'll spend (ok...maybe this idea is a little more costly but...), just build a firewall behind the front seat and put a LS6 or something in place of the useless back seat and hatchback area. &nbsp;the hatch would make a perfect hood and you'd probably have a good bit of room to work unlike most MR cars. &nbsp;I dunno...just some wild speculation, but it'd be cool. :biggrin: ::dreams of a 650hp mid-engined 240SX with a wistling rumble that could only belong to a blown V8::

[s15dude]

A kid at my old highschool is currently doing the chevy small block into the 240Z and supposedly it is gonna handle really well. Plus smoke everyone in the straight line. ONEBADM5 knows more about it than me.

[crazycuban]

actually, i think i've heard of a 350 in a 240sx...im not sure where tho. &nbsp;and as far as a skyline engine versus the v-8? &nbsp;the reason the skyline is such a good car is partly the engine, partly the drivetrain. &nbsp;the atessa (sp?) system is advanced as shit. &nbsp;v-8's can be had for cheap, and the aftermarket kicks the shit out of the ka's or the sr's (here at least). &nbsp;
the only thing is the reason that v-8 american cars are so great are the beefy, solid axle rear ends. &nbsp;heres an example - camaros can run 9s with 500-600 hp, 8's with 600 or 700. &nbsp;vinny ten's supra has over 1000 hp, and runs 8's. &nbsp;
anyway, i guess my point is that if u want big hp, the v-8 may be the right answer. &nbsp;putting it in would prolly be cheaper than putting in an rb26dett, just because v-8s can be found for so cheap. &nbsp;if u dont want huge hp, like as in over 5 or 600, why bother? &nbsp;do a ka turbo, or an sr.

[Podge]

what about a small v8.. maybe a 1uz?? depending on how time and money you are willing to spend on the engine transplant, perhaps look at twin turbo-ing a 1uz.. not sure on the legalities of this in America but maybe worth looking in to... only prob would be having a transmission that wouldnt break.

[wyldchyld7x]

Freakiest conversion I ever saw was a mustang 5.0 in a mazda miata. was in a car magazine I forget which magazine, but supposedly the car still handled really well because not only did the guy swap the engine but he reworked the suspension as well.

[niseslut]

also, the sr20det and rb26dett would get better fuel mileage than a 350 wouldn't it?

[max burke]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from DSC on 11:17 pm on Dec. 28, 2001
It would be heavy as ####. Install would be expensive as ####. And It probably wouldn't even fit. If you want a v-8 you would probably just want to buy a mustang to start off with.
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http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p0d345ead08fe8fa76e8f2f4a4c8ef510/fe0205b1.jpg.orig.jpg

Got room? Mind you, that's a 240Z but still...

For what it's worth, a Chevy small block is as wide as an RB26DETT, as long as a KA24DE, and will keep the stock weight distribution if you use aluminum heads and intake manifold, move the battery to the trunk, and put on a CF hood. It's entirely possible to build a 400hp 350 for $2,400 that has a flat torque curve and pulls strong from idle to redline.

[mistert]

put one in a 240z, you can buy swap kits for them, go check out <a href="http://www.hybridz.org" target='_blank'>http://www.hybridz.org</a>

yes you can put a v8 in a 240sx, but it'd have to be a totallyc ustom job, you can get pre-fab parts to put it into the 240z, which weighs about the same and i think they're pretty damned good looking too. you can also throw on a mopar or ford rear end (chevy, too, but these are somewhat less popular). go with a chevy though, who the #### wants fomoco parts in their nissan <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[thewholefnshow]

I think anyone who puts anything other than a japanese NISSAN engine as an engine swap, should be shot directly in the face. Directly. It would ruin the point of the car, which is a perfectly balanced and phenominally handling vehicle A.K.A Drift king. Oh, it's cheap and you will go fast, but if you want that, buy an old rustang, and stink it up with every other gino in the world.

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from thewholefnshow on 9:15 pm on Jan. 12, 2002
I think anyone who puts anything other than a japanese NISSAN engine as an engine swap, should be shot directly in the face. Directly. It would ruin the point of the car, which is a perfectly balanced and phenominally handling vehicle A.K.A Drift king. Oh, it's cheap and you will go fast, but if you want that, buy an old rustang, and stink it up with every other gino in the world.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

I think people that want to shot people in the face should be shot in the face <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'> When I actually get a 240Z and swap a V8 in it you can have fun looking at my taillights!

(Edited by ca18guy at 9:25 pm on Jan. 12, 2002)

[mistert]

i want to do a california special myself eventually. i think a caddy 500 would be cool with some aluminum heads, or a grand national engine, or maybe an aluminum block mopar 400. of course, if you wanna get really mean, you can get a 502, aluminum heads, and a 4.25&quot; crank...623 cubic f'in inches!!!

[max burke]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from thewholefnshow on 9:15 pm on Jan. 12, 2002
I think anyone who puts anything other than a japanese NISSAN engine as an engine swap, should be shot directly in the face. Directly. It would ruin the point of the car, which is a perfectly balanced and phenominally handling vehicle A.K.A Drift king. Oh, it's cheap and you will go fast, but if you want that, buy an old rustang, and stink it up with every other gino in the world.
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Why should they be shot in the face? Because they like power curves that look like this? <a href="http://www.c5-corvette.com/images/98dyno1a.jpg" target='_blank'>http://www.c5-corvette.com/images/98dyno1a.jpg</a>

That torque curve is so flat you could sleep on it. The S13 is a fine handling car. If you do a V8 swap correctly it'll handle just like, or better than, stock. The fact that you have to resort to racial epithets when discussing legitimate performance options makes me draw the conclusion that you are incredibly closed minded.

For what it's worth the all aluminum LS1/LS6 engines weigh in the neighbourhood of 450-475lbs fully dressed. A KA24DE is in the low 400's and it doesn't get any lighter if you turbocharge.

[NOSfEDs12vh45dett]

If your going for the V-8, go for a Nissan VH41DE at least, or for the lastest model(Version), of it. &nbsp;Anyway 200SX's look awesome with the two pipes one on each side of the back(like the 300zx, but bigger).

[thewholefnshow]

Alright, I wanna clarify, I meant nothing against any race of any kind, and anyone on this form who would critisize me for saying gino on a site where rice is word of the day should really think twice. I have a real problem with doing this sort of mod to a car because it is not what it is meant for at all. We have people on here who complain about putting in the rb26dett because it is too heavy. I don't care how you mod your car, a v8 is gonna weigh a lot more, and that will throw the cars near 50/50 balance. Like I said, sure, you will take me in a straight line, but I don't, and never will understand the point of buying a good car, and then sticking a low brow, no tech engine in, when you can put on of the finest engine ever built in. Oh, and the new mustange (even the GT's etc) are only pulling mid 13's at the track stock, an sr20det pulling a few extra pounds of boost with about 275 hp will beat that anyday of the weak, and have that great sound to it of the blowff valve and spool up. Don't call me close minded, I am a nissan enthusiast, not a mustang engthusiast. And Yes I have a tremendous bias against mustangs much like many people here do against civics... yet if someone said exactly what I just did about dropping in a b18 or an h22a there would have been an uproar in here in all likelyhood. Oh, and the all aluminum ls1 engines and the ls6 engines are fine and dandy, and you are comparing agains the all iron ka, the ka is a truck engine, and I must admit a great on eat that. But I am talking true race engines like the sr, the ca and the rb. I used to be a torque fiend and still love the viper for it shear brutality, but I think that there is a lot more to be said about spanking someone with 3 times the displacement, and still being able to cruise down the highway and get decent mileage. And one last thing, if you are going to talk about 350's etc. Then throw out the LS1 and LS6 names, lets get something straight, those are much more upscale, expensive, and technologiacally advanced engines then what I think this thread was originally intended for (the junker 2-400$ 350 at your local dump) so lets compare apples to apples here.

Sorry for pissing some of you off... but I have a right to my own opinion too!

(Edited by thewholefnshow at 7:36 am on Jan. 13, 2002)

[misnomer]

It's all a matter of opinion, so leave it at that. What got everybody in uproar here was you so aggressively bashing somebody else's opinion. One of the great things about a larger displacement engine is the torque and hp curves. An I4 can't get near the performance range without forced induction, and even then will have rather eratic curves. We've got no problem with you stating your opinion, but being so rude against a valid opinion is just. . . &nbsp;rude. . . . :-)

It's OK though, we still love ya!

[max burke]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from thewholefnshow on 7<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>5 am on Jan. 13, 2002
Alright, I wanna clarify, I meant nothing against any race of any kind, and anyone on this form who would critisize me for saying gino on a site where rice is word of the day should really think twice. I have a real problem with doing this sort of mod to a car because it is not what it is meant for at all. We have people on here who complain about putting in the rb26dett because it is too heavy. I don't care how you mod your car, a v8 is gonna weigh a lot more, and that will throw the cars near 50/50 balance. Like I said, sure, you will take me in a straight line, but I don't, and never will understand the point of buying a good car, and then sticking a low brow, no tech engine in, when you can put on of the finest engine ever built in. Oh, and the new mustange (even the GT's etc) are only pulling mid 13's at the track stock, an sr20det pulling a few extra pounds of boost with about 275 hp will beat that anyday of the weak, and have that great sound to it of the blowff valve and spool up. Don't call me close minded, I am a nissan enthusiast, not a mustang engthusiast. And Yes I have a tremendous bias against mustangs much like many people here do against civics... yet if someone said exactly what I just did about dropping in a b18 or an h22a there would have been an uproar in here in all likelyhood. Oh, and the all aluminum ls1 engines and the ls6 engines are fine and dandy, and you are comparing agains the all iron ka, the ka is a truck engine, and I must admit a great on eat that. But I am talking true race engines like the sr, the ca and the rb. I used to be a torque fiend and still love the viper for it shear brutality, but I think that there is a lot more to be said about spanking someone with 3 times the displacement, and still being able to cruise down the highway and get decent mileage. And one last thing, if you are going to talk about 350's etc. Then throw out the LS1 and LS6 names, lets get something straight, those are much more upscale, expensive, and technologiacally advanced engines then what I think this thread was originally intended for (the junker 2-400$ 350 at your local dump) so lets compare apples to apples here.
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You're right about the LS1 being much different than your typical junkyard 350 although you can get an LS1+6 speed off of eBay for about the same going price as a blacktop SR. That's about $3000 for all aluminum, individual coil packed goodness topped off with the cherry that is at least 320hp. Gas mileage? The C5 Corvettes get ~26-28mpg highway. Strip out 500-600lbs and that can only get better.

What do you mean by technologically advanced? If you look into the history of engines the overhead cam (specifically dual over head cam) engine came out BEFORE the pushrod engine! The pushrod engine was designed to create as compact of an engine as possible. How can you call the LS1 no-tech? It manages to make 310+ rear wheel horsepower stock and yet it'll deliver 25-26mpg highway in a 3600lb car (Camaro/Firebird) with ease.

By the way, an RB weighs as much, if not more, than the LS1 (which I will refer to from now on) AND has the advantage of being a longer engine, throwing off the weight balance. Speaking of weight distribution, if the car is 50/50 with a KA and you swap in an engine that is just as long, and compensate for the minimally added weight (move the batt, CF hood, etc) it will still be 50/50.

A couple weeks a go there were pictures of a 94-95 Mustang circulating around some of the domestic bulletin boards. It was powered by a Buick Turbo 3.8 because the owner found it was easier to get the power he wanted out of the Buick engine than the Ford. About 95% of the people said it was really cool. The rest were, like yourself, appalled that someone could disgrace a Mustang. Who cares about disgracing a car? It's whoever gets to the finish line first that really counts, right?

I will continue to hold to the opinion that you are closed minded because you keep brushing off a legitimate performance option because of mostly untrue stereotypical bullcrap.

[BlankFlip]

i dunno, personally i'd love to have a v8 in a 240z/sx, nobody would ever suspect it, it'd be great. i've actually been thinking about looking for a 240z and doing a special swap i had in mind. i have to own a 240z sometime.

[crazycuban]

sr, ca and rb engines are race engines? &nbsp;what is a race engine, by your definition? &nbsp;just because an engine is high-revving does not make it a race engine. &nbsp;why include the sr, ca and rb as race engines, and not the ka, considering that people race all those engines, including the ka? &nbsp;
and as far as the sr, rb, or ca being the finest engine ever built (i didn't see which one you were talking about), thats definately not necessarily true. &nbsp;it all, of course, depends on the criteria. &nbsp;the sr and ca are definately up there as far as 4-bangers go, and the rb26dett up there as far as sixes, but we're forgetting about the supra engine, the evo engine, and ESPECIALLY domestic greats like the 350 and LS1. &nbsp;these v-8's can handle upwards of 1500 hp, and come from the factory with a straight as #### torque curve. &nbsp;so what if they use pushrods - it works, doesn't it? &nbsp;if the high-tech works, thats great, but thats not what its all about. &nbsp;even talking imports, when time you line up next to an old-school corolla with a 3TC pushrod 4-banger, and get your ass handed to you, you'll understand.

[max burke]

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That's not entirely true. Ford's factory 302 Windsor blocks (not the FRPP blocks, those are another story altogether) will break at about ~600hp. Two and 4 bolt main factory Chevy 350's (again, not the GMPP racing blocks) will bust in the 600-800hp range. No one's really sure about the LS1's yet but I'm sure the blocks are fine to about 800hp. Now remember that's just the blocks. To be able to take these high HP numbers you'll more than likely need a forged rotating assembly.

EDIT: The GM and Ford racing blocks have been proven to take 1700+ HP again and again.

(Edited by max burke at 4:26 pm on Jan. 13, 2002)

[thewholefnshow]

God I don't know how to explain this to you... trust me, I really do know my stuff. What I mean is that those engines can be left on the track and rev like nuts for days on end. V8s are durable, nice torque curves and they have almost no faults other than there weight and their well... torque curve and gas mileage of course. That much torque from square one can really hurt launches sometimes, I have driven in a 71 hemi cuda with a 426.. there is not v8 better than that (large displacement anyways) and I gotta tell you, that it is hrad ass #### to do anything with cause the car goes sideways in 3rd gear at 3000 rpms... torque can hurt you as much as it helps.

Clarification, the sr20det and mitso 4g63 are the two best 4 bangers out there right now, and maybe the old ka was great, but I have heard a lot of bad things about nissan cutting corners in the 95 up models and the bottom end is not what it used to be... plus it is not really revvy, which any i4 fast i4 should be, and is lacks a lot of the things that make the sr20, ca18 and all the skyline i6's so great. The supra engine is better than the skylines, period. (IN STOCK FORM) it will take more power, and higher boost then the rb's. I know v8's are powerful, there is a guy with a 1900 horse power 6.5 seconds chevy nova ss here in montreal... but it's not like he can drive it anywhere. And I did admit my bias against the majority of v8's out there, because many of the current american v8's... and even any of them over the last 10-20 years have been incredibly unimpressive with delivering numbers... I made that clear from the start. And I know all about getting taken by an old carrola, I would relish a 4age taking me at the line, that was a great i4, the size of a 2.4 liter engine with walls strong enough to shoot at and an indistructible head... great engine, I doubt there will be one like it again... please guys, gimme some credit.

[RB24_S14]

If your going for the V-8, go for a Nissan VH41DE at least, or for the lastest model(Version), of it. &nbsp;Anyway 200SX's look awesome with the two pipes one on each side of the back(like the 300zx, but bigger).

Your right STAY NISSAN. Once I went with Nissan I will never get anything else.

[enkei2k]

Your right STAY NISSAN. Once I went with Nissan I will never get anything else.

did you just bump a 7 year old thread just to say that???

[ThatGuy]

Stupid fucking kids.

:lockd: