Tube Front ends! Post up different set-ups.

[GabeS14]

As the title says, post up some different pics of tube front ends, I am in the process of building an S14, ditched the Sr, and going with a V10, we already have the motor in and it's almost time for the tube front end and want to see what options are out there for the front.

Tube front ends.
Removable tube front ends also!
post up what you got, and maybe talk about the pros and cons of each setup if you happen to know them.
here are some I saw so far:
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-sjc1/hs525.snc3/29883_408801052096_595902096_4640625_2948397_n.jpg
http://hitandrundc.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/IMG_2693.jpg
this seams to be removable?
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa74/rbs14kouki/built%202011%20pro-am/IMG_0338.jpg

[GabeS14]

So no one does tube front ends on Zilvia..... I guess Zilvia isn't hardcore enough yet...lol

[jdm styles]

almost done mine ill post pics soon

[waxball88]

Plenty of people have done it tiger, chill before this thread gets ran into the ground.

Nice tube front, looks good.

[Memberofthe600hpkaclub]

Ahh I was wondering what happened to the guy that got the viper motor for his s14....post pics soon I've been dreaming you would finish that car lol

[GabeS14]

almost done mine ill post pics soon
Cool, cant wait! post it up!

Plenty of people have done it tiger, chill before this thread gets ran into the ground.
Nice tube front, looks good.I know they have lol, It was intentionall to tease peopl to post up, this thread hasnt been made before, and people can benefit from it

Ahh I was wondering what happened to the guy that got the viper motor for his s14....post pics soon I've been dreaming you would finish that car lol

HAHA, well, we are still working on the tranny tunnel and firewall, but motors in and done, I will do a build thread once the cage is being worked on,
and thats the reason for this thread to get some ideas for what style tube front best suits my build..

[ch1873857]

subscribing . working on one myself. will post pics soon as well

[PeaceOnesxWai]

Banged up my radiator support throughout the years and then i met the guys at garagelife. They been putting in work on my car

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/380951_232824776797714_115739035172956_572149_3958 79687_n.jpg
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/432291_267017500045108_115739035172956_649976_9091 49567_n.jpg

Its extra work to retain popup lights but this should be the first tube/tub/working flip up light S13 :boink:

[GabeS14]

would love to see pics from the front without the bumper!

[PeaceOnesxWai]

This was a mock up of the vertical bars, at the end we only used 2

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/421348_241426275937564_115739035172956_592794_1672 665756_n.jpg

[killer skittle]

Interested to see how your gonna channel the air!! ^^^^

[P-Funk alot]

me to ^^^^^ the tubs look wierd, no pun intended.

[s14>integra]

im excited because he's retaining pop-ups! woooooooot!

[blackmags91]

OP your s14 doesnt happen to be at intense right now does it?
rules:
http://i39.tinypic.com/muxv9f.jpg

[BOROSUN]

i vote for johny5's tub and tube front end.

Stewart Leask - The Life and Times of My Skid Chariot and I (http://www.stewartleask.com/)

[240sxdriftin]

Horrible cell phone pictures. But a friend of mine and I built this yesterday. With removable bumper support. My original frame on the chassis was bent to all hell.

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6112/6995183975_8c4442a857_z.jpg

[Silv14]

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f258/hectorlohman/2fa07710.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f258/hectorlohman/3d5b5a45.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f258/hectorlohman/5a3db777.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f258/hectorlohman/f48c6623.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f258/hectorlohman/2965f863.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f258/hectorlohman/c9225c7b.jpg

:trogdor:

[Laotian240]

This ones mine ignore me messing with it to see if it was strong enough>.>
http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n524/Laotian240/bashbarmounted.jpg

Some random one it was interesting how they bent the pipes
http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n524/Laotian240/sickbashbar.jpg

[VHS13]

I don't think that's what he is talking about.

[rbs14kouki]

here you go Gabe i saw you took my crash bar as an exemple .

i will show you how we did my car !!!

my front crash bar is removable , the tub front end on the other side was welded to the chassi . my intercoller became the head light bracket and the rad bracket !!!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/167703_10150179595739616_822985_n.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa74/rbs14kouki/built%202011%20pro-am/IMG_0247.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/188743_10150200181554616_4152095_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/180044_10150184155899616_659294615_8859434_1963754 _n.jpg




inspired by this set-up !!!
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/294478_286062374742747_122729964409323_1388082_960 328194_n.jpg

[rbs14kouki]

this is the best way to go if you have a v8 or v10 ... with a rad support bar !!!
http://www.wreckedmagazine.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/DiscountTireS13.DaijiroYoshihara.2011-500x333.jpg

i was fucked when i changed my rb to ls1 (nothing to old my rad and head light
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/388493_10150566555824616_396468628_n.jpg

[240sxdriftin]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8142/7333755836_1b08624ebc_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7089/7306486168_f606e9ae32_b.jpg

Has a big removable bumper support as well... frame is all bent to hell so shit looks funky... when all panels are on its straight

[EnjoiNISMO]

I'll just leave this here

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii420/s13redtop240sx/7049f9b6.jpg

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii420/s13redtop240sx/012900d1.jpg

[xoxide]

So what size tubing are you guys using for the main downtubes from strut to framerail? What about all the other sizes for support pieces, etc.? About how much of each are you using?

Also, what thickness (guage is it?), sheet metal are you using for mounting points?

[EnjoiNISMO]

We're pretty much using cage material for the tubes. DOM 1 3/4.

What mounting points do you speak of?

[InfraRed407]

i vote for johny5's tub and tube front end.

Stewart Leask - The Life and Times of My Skid Chariot and I (http://www.stewartleask.com/)

this^

msglength

[xoxide]

We're pretty much using cage material for the tubes. DOM 1 3/4.

What mounting points do you speak of?
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/sprinter1/edited.jpg
Thats the stuff I am asking about

Thanks!

Also, about how many feet of each size did you use? Trying to figure out how much I need to get.

[EnjoiNISMO]

The connection between the tube and tub is 16 gauge sheet with dimple dyes.

The front radiator support is 3/4 tube with 14 gauge wall.

Other then the cage material, I don't really know how much we used for everything else. We sorta just went by what we had.

[xoxide]

Thanks so much! As for how much material, im just trying to get a rough guestimate, Do I go with 10 feet, 20 feet, less?

[thefro526]

Might be a dumb question but, how many people design their tube fronts to disperse energy during crashes? Some of the fronts I've seen lately look like they're substantially stronger than the OEM rad support and front end parts which leads me to believe that in a hard enough crash they're just going to send all of the energy into the rest of the chassis causing massive damage...

[xoxide]

^Thats how I plan to design mine. I think alot of the Formula D cars are build like that also.

[thefro526]

^Thats how I plan to design mine. I think alot of the Formula D cars are build like that also.

True that. I was looking at some of the ASD cars, specifically JTP's and while back and realized that there's nothing solid in the rear corners of the car which is really neat. If you ever watch him wall ride, you'll see that his rear corner moves in a good few inches like it's nothing.

I'd image that you want something similar on the front corners of the car, if it's a drift car. Would let you make contact with the lead car without transferring much, if any, energy. (Body panels would just move out of the way)

[240Shwag]

Here's mine so far. Thinking of adding in a tube that mimicks that factory tubs.

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu31/240shwag/IMAG0578.jpg

Thanks so much! As for how much material, im just trying to get a rough guestimate, Do I go with 10 feet, 20 feet, less?


I used about 18' of material on mine, no wasted pieces.

[GabeS14]

OP your s14 doesnt happen to be at intense right now does it?
rules:


Yes thats my car the White Blister kit S14




here you go Gabe i saw you took my crash bar as an exemple .

i will show you how we did my car !!!

my front crash bar is removable , the tub front end on the other side was welded to the chassi . my intercoller became the head light bracket and the rad bracket
Thabks a lot!.
I have been away from zilvia for a while, so its cool to see the thread actually growing!

[Silv14]

Thabks a lot!.
I have been away from zilvia for a while, so its cool to see the thread actually growing!

Same here, I'm pumped that this has some more posts!! There isn't much documentation on this across the intarwebz.

Idk if anyone else thats had this done noticed a pretty drastic improvement in steering, but I feel like it tightened the front up tremendously.

[crunkride]

What is the rad in the second picture, please?

this is the best way to go if you have a v8 or v10 ... with a rad support bar !!!
http://www.wreckedmagazine.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/DiscountTireS13.DaijiroYoshihara.2011-500x333.jpg

i was fucked when i changed my rb to ls1 (nothing to old my rad and head light
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/388493_10150566555824616_396468628_n.jpg

[rbs14kouki]

BECool rad !!! size? i dont remember by eart ... got it from summitracing

fit in between the stock rails without bieng to tight (give you room for rail deflection in casse of a crash and you wont crush your rad !!!

i only had to trim the webing on the inside of my hood (for reference : if the stock rad support is there , it goes pass it about 2 or 3 inch)

[collegekid]

Where are you guys getting your tube fronts done? I'm a noob with no equipment or experience for that and someone suggested that a tube front would be the best option after my crash that resulted in a bent frame on my passenger side.

A mechanic told me any body shop could do it? who did your tube front?

[GripTerror]

Someone who is welding certified? Someone who specializes in race cars or heavily modified cars? That's what id suggest.

Keep em coming, im getting mine front and rear tubed and tied into cage... will take a long time though but wait will be worth it...

[Highway Riding]

Where are you guys getting your tube fronts done? I'm a noob with no equipment or experience for that and someone suggested that a tube front would be the best option after my crash that resulted in a bent frame on my passenger side.

A mechanic told me any body shop could do it? who did your tube front?

Import Intelligence is in PA ... Check those guys out. They did my swap and i plan on going back to them or RT tuning..

[Legoctf]

Need more set ups in this thread!

Ill post mine soon as it gets done

[DownSouthSlider]

Here is mine. They both in bolt and the fenders and bumpers are held on by dzus fasteners.
I forget the size we used. Sorry!

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd3/downsouths13/Garu%20pix/DSCN1835.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd3/downsouths13/Garu%20pix/DSCN1891.jpg

[PoorMans180SX]

Looks good, the only problem I see with it is that it seems like it will bend the chassis before it bends those bars in an impact, at least with those bolt in locations. You might want to consider running down bars from the strut towers to the front rails and plating both of them to prevent them from being damaged in an accident. This will force the bars to bend before the actual chassis parts.

[VYKTR]

So whats the basic size you guys are using for the tubed fronts? Is 1" 3/4" DOM tubing a good size? I'm not sure as to what FD rulebooks specify for modification to front end structures but I'm sure there is some guidelines. I wont be runing FD but perhaps my local Pro-AM division later down the line. However, I would like to prep my car to some sanctioned event standard. I would really appreciate if anyone with experience with front ends could chime in and help discuss material selection.

[OgSilviaSkywalker]

op's build sounds ridiculous. nice job starting this thread. should definitely come in handy for a lot of us.

[stylepointzz]

This thread fucking rules

[xoxide]

So whats the basic size you guys are using for the tubed fronts? Is 1' 3/4" DOM tubing a good size? I'm not sure as to what FD rulebooks specify for modification to front end structures but I'm sure there is some guidelines. I wont be runing FD but perhaps my local Pro-AM division later down the line. However, I would like to prep my car to some sanctioned event standard. I would really appreciate if anyone with experience with front ends could chime in and help discuss material selection.
I emailed them for a rule book, and have the Pro book as well as the Pro-am supplement. If you PM me your email I can forward it to you. There are no specifications for tube front end other than from the strut towers back it must remain oem.

[slidewayz240]

My tubular front.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/champish/IMAG0035.jpg

[scottie]

Here is mine. I copied Dai's S13 in that the interior cage "bolts" through the firewall, passes through the strut tower for extra reinforcement and ties at the front of the frame rails. A new boxed frame support goes across the bottom and ties into the nismo power brace as the factory piece does, just 10x stronger. In addition two support bars were added in the front for my Accusump canister.


Anyways here is the result so far....

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/D706C782-1493-4920-A00B-A7D57AE4F43A-4160-000002C0699FAFFF.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/D89A680F-26B7-405A-9AB3-22259EA4D7FF-4160-000002C07035DCBA.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/D7505BBB-091D-4AA1-BC74-4AAD1F0073C4-4214-000002C572A2231B.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/21D36148-4E93-4181-AFB6-186349CCD663-4214-000002C56B44A153.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/19E50B36-EF4E-40A6-A439-F174E0C2C373-366-000000298084533F_zps1746555e.jpg

[Hanzi]

how do you mount the headlights? To the kit or you make custom brakcets? Just curious.

[Jonnie Fraz]

how do you mount the headlights? To the kit or you make custom brakcets? Just curious.

Looks close Scottie's headlight mounts are right there on the front cross bar.

[Hanzi]

Looks close Scottie's headlight mounts are right there on the front cross bar.

oh I see what youre talking about. Not all tubed fronts have brackets like that? Or is it just me? lol

[One_love_silvia]

how much is all this costing you guys on average?

[VYKTR]

I emailed them for a rule book, and have the Pro book as well as the Pro-am supplement. If you PM me your email I can forward it to you. There are no specifications for tube front end other than from the strut towers back it must remain oem.

PM sent. Thanks for the hook up.

[towlie]

IMO that's a bad spot for the accusump. Rumble strip or off track skirmish could damage that

[One_love_silvia]

Would this pass a dmv inspection in california?

[smellslikecurry]

My tubular front.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/champish/IMAG0035.jpg

Woa thats an awesome setup! What did you guys use to bend the piping off the strut towers? Looks crush bent!

[GabeS14]

Glad too see this thread is making.more and more progress!

[GabeS14]

Almost done,
made it removable like someone posted earlier.

[scottie]

IMO that's a bad spot for the accusump. Rumble strip or off track skirmish could damage that

I guess we differ on location ideas. As I see it the cnc canister is stronger than a radiator so I'm not worried about rock chips/debris. Hell a FMIC is far easier to damage sitting behind the bumper. It sits behind a 120 DOM 1 3-4" bash bar. Granted if I go through it I will most likely damage it along with the radiator, oil cooler & oil filter. I chose location because the most important function for the Accusump is to provide oil as soon as a pressure drop occurs. It says in the IOM it is beneficial to install the sump as close to the motor as feasible. The headers prevent it from the side. I didn't want a hot oil container sitting next to me in the cab. The only other spot leaves the trunk. The inside of the firewall is okay but to me it's not worth a possible leak or malfunction inside the cab.

[Dauzat's 40]

I will be starting on my tube front in a few weeks, after our last drift event for the season. Thank you, to all the guys that have posted, i have gotten a lot of ideas from your setups. I will post pics of mine once the process has started.

[Johny5]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/kidnrg/old%20one%20was%20full/SDC10558.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/kidnrg/old%20one%20was%20full/SDC10560.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/kidnrg/old%20one%20was%20full/stew-1.jpg

[Rmetler]

Johny5, I would like to commend you on the most nasty 240 I think I have ever seen! I would like to see more pics of this car.

[ds13]

Nice wood splitter

[smellslikecurry]

Johny5, I would like to commend you on the most nasty 240 I think I have ever seen! I would like to see more pics of this car.

Google Stewart Leask.

[BlewByYou]

Look great stu...

[phoQ]

Love this thread. Bump for more pics!

[surge s14]

Johny5, I would like to commend you on the most nasty 240 I think I have ever seen! I would like to see more pics of this car.

its even better in person

[Got Insulin?]

Nice wood splitter

Actually, road racers frequently choose wood for its weight/strength ratio.

[andrew600]

Yea I've seen tons of people use wood. Cheap and easy to replace and they are very strong depending on what you get.

[s13love-green]

Any OC local shops ??? Looking to get this don't to fix some minor front end damage
Also avarage cost ?

[s13love-green]

Bump this still wondering on price range
Any one in SoCal ???

[dawagarage]

Bump this still wondering on price range
Any one in SoCal ???

just got contacted by Deep's garage that my car is done. had it tubed & tubbed for a quote of $1000. im going to go check it out tomorrow and ill have photos tomorrow of course

[dawagarage]

https://www.facebook.com/deeps.garage?fref=ts
deepsgarage.com (http://deepsgarage.com/)

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/304767_10151503552668755_1431229413_n.jpg

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/483761_10151503552738755_939545607_n.jpg

[NismoKnights13]

This ones mine ignore me messing with it to see if it was strong enough>.>
http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n524/Laotian240/bashbarmounted.jpg

Some random one it was interesting how they bent the pipes
http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n524/Laotian240/sickbashbar.jpg

Did you get this done? How much was it? How did you know what measurements it was?

[Tw1st3d]

All in Type 316 stainless tube.
Living by the ocean I try to do as much as I can in stainless.
Not entirely done yet there is still going to need to be bash bar added
and all the supports.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d91/s1l3ntk1lla_k/2013-02-01_22-42-53_630_zps71f31a16.jpg

[slidewaysII]

Awesome thread! I'm starting on my S13 this weekend; tired of my front end not fitting correctly from previous owners damage. The only difficult thing about my situation is the front 8" of the frame rails are donzo. I'm going to have to cut them off and fab up the frame rails or just make a tubular front crossmember where the tension rods mount. Should be fun. Will post pics when I'm done.

[SmokeCircle]

goals for the front end are to have a lightweight, removable, and replaceable unit while being able to have massive steering angle and shakotan ride height. Also ive never really welded before this so its quite a learning experience. Ill post an update when its done


http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h237/360kr3w/null_zps90532a7d.jpg (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/360kr3w/media/null_zps90532a7d.jpg.html)

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h237/360kr3w/null_zps06a2fed7.jpg (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/360kr3w/media/null_zps06a2fed7.jpg.html)

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h237/360kr3w/null_zps0a9bfd78.jpg (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/360kr3w/media/null_zps0a9bfd78.jpg.html)

[SupaDoopa]

Those front bars looks a little janky.

[bc.]

Might be a dumb question but, how many people design their tube fronts to disperse energy during crashes? Some of the fronts I've seen lately look like they're substantially stronger than the OEM rad support and front end parts which leads me to believe that in a hard enough crash they're just going to send all of the energy into the rest of the chassis causing massive damage...
This needs to be thought about way more often in tube setups. Mostly the bash bar portion though.

[killer240]

For those of you who run a crash bar, have you ever had a problem hitting like a speed bump with your bottom bar considering that the car goes low too.

[ZacKisBacK_Fr]

My set up:

http://imageshack.us/a/img7/6272/teiw.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img90/7504/xiio.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img14/5507/j45a.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img823/6186/ergk.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img35/3935/f9ag.jpg

[n240sxKing361]

Hey guys I need some help, I'm gathering materials to tube my s13 due to a twisted core support from a hit and run truck Lol, I gathered 18 feet of 1 3/4 inch tubing and I have my bender, is that the correct tubing size? Also I have the flip up headlights how would I mount them and get them to line up correctly? Also you guy are saying how I have to tube it and mount it in the right areas to prevent massize damage, that's my biggest problem where I am stuck at, is there any way one of you guys can highlight the mounting points of interest for me?

[MrMigs]

I've got your solution right here

http://archive.cardesignnews.com/news/2001/010530thisweek/images/ford-airbag3.jpg

[conrad_s13.5]

240sxKing,.. balls kind of in your court. If you have to completely replace the coresupport and headlight brackets,. you can just make brackets right off the tubing,...anywhere.

http://distilleryimage11.ak.instagram.com/376dee9e44c711e3af5a22000a9f18fb_8.jpg
I had to do the same. Keep the hood mounted, and rig up the front bumper and just kinda mock it up accordingly.

Saw a few guys do pop ups, and had fixed positions at like 3 different heights. Up / sleepy / closed. Might be a cool idea too!

[Black R]

My set up:

http://imageshack.us/a/img7/6272/teiw.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img90/7504/xiio.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img14/5507/j45a.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img823/6186/ergk.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img35/3935/f9ag.jpg


I really like the removability and replaceability of this setup.

[05subysti]

More tube fronts! Need inspiration people!

[GabeS14]

I really like the removability and replaceability of this setup.

yeah man, I learned about removable front ends here on zilvia and made mine like that too. for working on the front of the engine or replacing a bent tube front.

[connors13]

still need to make headlight, fender, intercooler and radiator brackets and front bash bar. but here is my set up. core support is fully removable via 2 bolts recessed into the bottom of the tube so you can't see them
http://i1366.photobucket.com/albums/r770/connorbeert/211BA3F0-F619-4989-A3ED-4E846645CFBF_zpsf8swi40h.jpg
http://i1366.photobucket.com/albums/r770/connorbeert/B4B7C1F3-BDF2-4797-9DE3-03A743C8B001_zps1ppmieaf.jpg

[thimes86]

I know this is an older thread but i just put on my tubular front end and i was wondering whats the best way to mount the pop ups back?

[Martino]

still need to make headlight, fender, intercooler and radiator brackets and front bash bar. but here is my set up. core support is fully removable via 2 bolts recessed into the bottom of the tube so you can't see them


I love the simplicity of your setup. Well done!

[EnemyS15]

still need to make headlight, fender, intercooler and radiator brackets and front bash bar. but here is my set up. core support is fully removable via 2 bolts recessed into the bottom of the tube so you can't see them
http://i1366.photobucket.com/albums/r770/connorbeert/211BA3F0-F619-4989-A3ED-4E846645CFBF_zpsf8swi40h.jpg
http://i1366.photobucket.com/albums/r770/connorbeert/B4B7C1F3-BDF2-4797-9DE3-03A743C8B001_zps1ppmieaf.jpg


So i msg'd connor already on this.

Anyone with an s14 able to replicate this exact set up? Tampa fab shops arent really on my good side and would rather have someone do the setup and ill i have to do is get it sent and welded on.

Anyone up to do this, pls msg me. Im rdy to get this done asap.

[killer240]

For you guys who paid to get their tube done. How much did it cost? I'm looking to get mine done and I got quoted $800 and $150 for the bash bar.

[scottie]

For you guys who paid to get their tube done. How much did it cost? I'm looking to get mine done and I got quoted $800 and $150 for the bash bar.

To me that price seems a little high. I would think $500-$700 depending on the complexity. If you have a S13 with the flip-ups it will mean more fab to make sure everything lines up and the headlights, motors, etc.. all have proper clearance. For $800 it better have new metal fender wells and tie back to the firewall.

[95_S14]

Are 500whp Ka pro am setup http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv156/kouki_monster_S14/image_zpsgbzxly4b.jpg (http://s679.photobucket.com/user/kouki_monster_S14/media/image_zpsgbzxly4b.jpg.html) http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv156/kouki_monster_S14/image_zpsedwhlfmb.jpg (http://s679.photobucket.com/user/kouki_monster_S14/media/image_zpsedwhlfmb.jpg.html) http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv156/kouki_monster_S14/image_zpselgrp7yu.jpg (http://s679.photobucket.com/user/kouki_monster_S14/media/image_zpselgrp7yu.jpg.html) http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv156/kouki_monster_S14/image_zpsr7nkye72.jpg (http://s679.photobucket.com/user/kouki_monster_S14/media/image_zpsr7nkye72.jpg.html) V mount can hold 400+ lbs and a jump lol

[STEEZxIT]

Are 500whp Ka pro am setup

V mount can hold 400+ lbs and a jump lol

the tube front end was stronger than the motor LOL

i hope his luck turns.

[Martino]

To me that price seems a little high. I would think $500-$700 depending on the complexity. If you have a S13 with the flip-ups it will mean more fab to make sure everything lines up and the headlights, motors, etc.. all have proper clearance. For $800 it better have new metal fender wells and tie back to the firewall.

That price is not high at all. I think that to be on the low side actually.
A regular FABRICATION shop rate goes around $100/hr give or take.

Something like Connors for instance isn't going to take a simple 8 hours.

[240Shwag]

I just painted mine yesterday. Its very light. It will probably get smushed this year.
Everything is easier because everything is square. There is a tube that runs across the front to mount everything to. It bolts on for easy engine removal.
http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu31/240shwag/10415568_10205542137460437_9122686114860545217_n.j pg

[ditchs14]

wait........huh...

[GabeS14]

interesting to see a square tubing setup.

[ehhhregartless]

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8659/16728053342_c3873d0d61_o.jpghttps://farm9.staticflickr.com/8612/16729134175_a539a04e53_o.jpg

[EnemyS15]

I posted it in my build thread, but figured I could contribute in this thread since I got it done. It was modeled from Connor's setup. Slight modification to the tubes, having them angled a bit and having the radiator bar facing forward, rather than arched above. No tabs or brackets have been made yet. Waiting for a kit to fab them. All in all, I am overly pleased by the final product.

http://s13.postimg.org/p2tavfdyv/front_end.jpg

http://s13.postimg.org/6brdl9jef/front_end_2.jpg

[Martino]

I just painted mine yesterday. Its very light. It will probably get smushed this year.
Everything is easier because everything is square. There is a tube that runs across the front to mount everything to. It bolts on for easy engine removal.
http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu31/240shwag/10415568_10205542137460437_9122686114860545217_n.j pg


That...looks...horrible

[240Shwag]

That...looks...horrible

Thanks man. Who cares?

interesting to see a square tubing setup.

Everyone seems to hate it. I have a tubing bender. I work at a metal supply house.
I could of made the same tube front everyone else makes, but I wanted to make something different.
Who knows, maybe I'll change it again before I paint the rest of the car.

[ditchs14]

not trying to sound like i know it all... but im sure people choose regular tubular piping over square piping not because it LOOKS better...

[scottie]

Here is one recently completed at a local shop. Pretty impressive for hand tools and 115v welder.

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/47473059-4472-4FC8-89B6-9C7C6538E279_zpswp0hnsva.jpg (http://s102.photobucket.com/user/scotheocelot/media/47473059-4472-4FC8-89B6-9C7C6538E279_zpswp0hnsva.jpg.html)
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/05789FAE-E772-4372-B1A7-ED16587174F1_zpsyuni6ujx.jpg (http://s102.photobucket.com/user/scotheocelot/media/05789FAE-E772-4372-B1A7-ED16587174F1_zpsyuni6ujx.jpg.html)
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/7E353C4E-4D5A-4125-BC28-899E46788CC6_zpsstmpiioi.jpg (http://s102.photobucket.com/user/scotheocelot/media/7E353C4E-4D5A-4125-BC28-899E46788CC6_zpsstmpiioi.jpg.html)

[Martino]

^ Looks like everything lines up pretty well too!

[matts13vert]

Simple tube front end. :picardfp:

http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a418/StreetFaction/IMG_0048.jpg

http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a418/StreetFaction/IMG_0099.jpg

http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a418/StreetFaction/IMG_0073.jpg

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http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a418/StreetFaction/20141111_200629.jpg

http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a418/StreetFaction/IMG_0090.jpg

[EnemyS15]

pipe dreams!?

[Smitty64life]

holy cow that's crazy

[Smitty64life]

simple but works

[Smitty64life]

seems over the top but does it purpose

[Smitty64life]

that's all you need

[Smitty64life]

protects all the important stuff

[deolio]

not a fan of tube fronts, but it had to be done. came out much better than i expected.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c400/mexfoodisgood/s13%20twotoner/7F41325B-4895-4236-977F-B217459BE617_zpsdfrbaf9j.jpg (http://s31.photobucket.com/user/mexfoodisgood/media/s13%20twotoner/7F41325B-4895-4236-977F-B217459BE617_zpsdfrbaf9j.jpg.html)

[KAT-PWR]

That's dope my friend

[ehhhregartless]

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[ehhhregartless]

http://www.zengarage.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Olivers-S13-6.jpg

[Badboyz31]

The most of it, I still have to add a little more to the bash bar but its getting there.

https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12032942_10206504331918465_5206535498115413813_n.j pg?oh=b97b25044e72c50b3ed6f6a053dbc070&oe=56C1BFD3

[NJs13_1993]

Just finished up mine. I still need to make headlight brackets and a bash bar bust otherwise it just needs paint

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/28/ceb808509ac7830c96f62d9aa5e625b3.jpg
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[lewisfk]

Here is mine. They both in bolt and the fenders and bumpers are held on by dzus fasteners.
I forget the size we used. Sorry!

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd3/downsouths13/Garu%20pix/DSCN1835.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd3/downsouths13/Garu%20pix/DSCN1891.jpg

Can you replicate that front crash bar set up or provide the POC for the builder? THANKS!

[OBEEWON]

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7563/16047977727_372dc9f6eb_b.jpg

fuggg. his radiator support is so dope.

[s13 drifta]

not a fan of tube fronts, but it had to be done. came out much better than i expected.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c400/mexfoodisgood/s13%20twotoner/7F41325B-4895-4236-977F-B217459BE617_zpsdfrbaf9j.jpg (http://s31.photobucket.com/user/mexfoodisgood/media/s13%20twotoner/7F41325B-4895-4236-977F-B217459BE617_zpsdfrbaf9j.jpg.html)

This looks good. Did you do the work or did you have someone do it?

[shanks821]

I see a lot of cars only running to the front of the top hat, any pros for running tubing all the way to the firewall?


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[deolio]

This looks good. Did you do the work or did you have someone do it?

thanks! nah i had a friend do it for me and it was actually the first tube front he did, which is why i was surprised. just gave him an idea of what i wanted and set him free

[ehhhregartless]

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[scottie]

My tube front in progress...... And yes, all threaded inserts are steel weld fittings. Anti-Zip Tie

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/240SX%20Coupe/C0AD5D83-8A5D-4814-BB91-09E9DEA708B5_zpsjzyln2nd.jpg (http://s102.photobucket.com/user/scotheocelot/media/240SX%20Coupe/C0AD5D83-8A5D-4814-BB91-09E9DEA708B5_zpsjzyln2nd.jpg.html)
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http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/240SX%20Coupe/A68BD6E2-CEC8-4E0C-AD17-C4AFBD0250E1_zpsitgotttg.jpg (http://s102.photobucket.com/user/scotheocelot/media/240SX%20Coupe/A68BD6E2-CEC8-4E0C-AD17-C4AFBD0250E1_zpsitgotttg.jpg.html)
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/240SX%20Coupe/3B6BCE5E-7CDF-47BC-8722-BE6C0F429DF1_zpskrw1rxul.jpg (http://s102.photobucket.com/user/scotheocelot/media/240SX%20Coupe/3B6BCE5E-7CDF-47BC-8722-BE6C0F429DF1_zpskrw1rxul.jpg.html)
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/240SX%20Coupe/8CD404F6-D3E3-4276-B50C-55A812FF8CF4_zps9mx9jzeq.jpg (http://s102.photobucket.com/user/scotheocelot/media/240SX%20Coupe/8CD404F6-D3E3-4276-B50C-55A812FF8CF4_zps9mx9jzeq.jpg.html)
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/240SX%20Coupe/FF4C3F21-6673-498F-A5B6-35307842C7A1_zpsc89jibtp.jpg (http://s102.photobucket.com/user/scotheocelot/media/240SX%20Coupe/FF4C3F21-6673-498F-A5B6-35307842C7A1_zpsc89jibtp.jpg.html)
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/240SX%20Coupe/A15782F5-69BB-436A-990B-A9BB35C92937_zpsoxyfadzf.jpg (http://s102.photobucket.com/user/scotheocelot/media/240SX%20Coupe/A15782F5-69BB-436A-990B-A9BB35C92937_zpsoxyfadzf.jpg.html)
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/240SX%20Coupe/608E61CB-F3D3-494A-8BC1-3ED3BC6D9A83_zpstknmzqty.jpg (http://s102.photobucket.com/user/scotheocelot/media/240SX%20Coupe/608E61CB-F3D3-494A-8BC1-3ED3BC6D9A83_zpstknmzqty.jpg.html)
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/240SX%20Coupe/E4EF58D2-92F2-4EDB-AB53-E1BB098330BB_zpscolcpha4.jpg (http://s102.photobucket.com/user/scotheocelot/media/240SX%20Coupe/E4EF58D2-92F2-4EDB-AB53-E1BB098330BB_zpscolcpha4.jpg.html)

[ehhhregartless]

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[ehhhregartless]

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[NJs13_1993]

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[Black R]

I went in for a half tube front:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/Black_R/S13/E0B92B0B-5969-460D-A131-91A0AF9E8592_zpsi5danc9q.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/Black_R/media/S13/E0B92B0B-5969-460D-A131-91A0AF9E8592_zpsi5danc9q.jpg.html)

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/Black_R/S13/43A3F3D6-4130-4EF5-91EB-80005224E7B3_zpsafwu5zzh.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/Black_R/media/S13/43A3F3D6-4130-4EF5-91EB-80005224E7B3_zpsafwu5zzh.jpg.html)

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/Black_R/S13/E75C886A-A117-45AA-B2A0-180DBAEFABFE_zpshwcrqcdr.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/Black_R/media/S13/E75C886A-A117-45AA-B2A0-180DBAEFABFE_zpshwcrqcdr.jpg.html)


Now I think I want full tube front.

What's the consensus on leaving the fender mounting points - whatever they're called up top - and reinforcing them vs cutting them off and running tubes and tabs there?

And also, do you guys leave the lower core support piece or get rid of that too?

[hanzbrady]

I went in for a half tube front:

Now I think I want full tube front.

What's the consensus on leaving the fender mounting points - whatever they're called up top - and reinforcing them vs cutting them off and running tubes and tabs there?

And also, do you guys leave the lower core support piece or get rid of that too?

If you cut the material behind the strut towers and modify the strut towers themselves the car will no longer be FD legal, and also wont pass most Pro-Am tech inspections if that matters to you.

[Black R]

Thanks.
Very good things to keep in mind.

If I ever want to go in that direction, I should probably adhere to those rules.

I was referring mainly to the section of the unibody in front of the strut towers that extends toward the leading edge of the hood.

It's just a street car that will occasionally see time only autox runs, hpde track days, or maybe a local drift event for fun - but nothing too serious.

[DJPimpFlex]

Lots of different setups. Here is mine, had it for a few years now.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/856/vcdy.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/nsvcdyj)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/823/9ard.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/mv9ardj)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/21/51i9.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/0l51i9j)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/812/to2c.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/mkto2cj)

A few notes. The modular aspect where each piece is individual has been nice. If I crash I can replace just that one piece rather than having it all bent. We jigged the bash bars so they are easy to replace and are a good test to be sure the frame rails didn't move in a crash.

One thing I wish I did differently was the inner section. It works perfectly, but the intake is a pain in the ass. Haven't really gotten a clean solution for it yet.

[shaggy sr]

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more photos please

[Y0SH]

I see a lot of cars only running to the front of the top hat, any pros for running tubing all the way to the firewall?


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Last I knew, FD rules state that you can't alter the shock towers of the car. So they tube the front from the towers forward.

[DJPimpFlex]

Last I knew, FD rules state that you can't alter the shock towers of the car. So they tube the front from the towers forward.

Accurate ^^ Can't modify between the strut towers and firewall must remain in tact.

[JM216S14]

What wall thickness 1" (or what appears to be 1") are you guys running when you make radiator supports?

[tuzzio]

Bump this thread. Looking for ideas for a removable radiator support as my OEM one is ugly as fuck. Also, What OD are you guys using? I was recommended 1"

[hanzbrady]

https://i.imgur.com/Cj4uockl.jpg

This is mine, it's just some 3/8" DOM and also has two supports at the bottoms that tie into the the power brace. I'm also running hood pins, if I really wanted to I could have simply made a tab to hold the factory latch.

But this way the radiator, intercooler, and core support come out with 4 bolts.

[Young Sileighty Kev]

Has anyone ever heard of hot metal fab? They produce tube front end kits ready to be welded up.

[S14rebuild]

Yes...there kit is okay...all the tubing has extra lenght so it cut to size. Not tobad but for $400(removabale rad mount bar) its on the budget friendly. I bought it cause i have no bend avaiable to me.

[kanyedian]

No, but I def dig a tube front. There is a coupe earlier in the thread with ITBs that is so sick nasty

[Counteract]

Customer of ours lost a boost pipe mid-slide at a show at the weekend and ended up putting his R34 Skyline into a wall. He already had a tube front but needed something a bit more substantial:

https://i.ibb.co/MkzXtV7/IMG-3304.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/tCCQCJh/IMG-3312.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/wNxzX8N/IMG-3319.jpg

All built out of 1 3/4" PTG, however now it's a little too strong! We have had to modify it with some crumple zones so that if there was another hit, it would take the damage instead of the chassis.

[z31andrew]

Here is my tube front:

https://i.imgur.com/5IaGVh1.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/g0eBhoh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/MyOmyp4.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/H2eQvDT.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/xV3fgAL.jpg

This was my first tube front ever, still learning how to weld. It's not pretty but does the job!

Sorry about pic size

[e30allday]

The connection between the tube and tub is 16 gauge sheet with dimple dyes.

The front radiator support is 3/4 tube with 14 gauge wall.

Other then the cage material, I don't really know how much we used for everything else. We sorta just went by what we had.

thanks for the info!

[NJs13_1993]

Ive been meaning to post these. Crashed my car in December and redid my tube front. Im way happier with it now. And the last picture is a different style I did for a friend. I have a lot more fab stuff on my instagram @actionfabrication


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