Automatics

[Advan]

After reading the thread about how the drift king doesn't like s13's(wish I had the video) I scrolled down reading comments, and came upon Ricer240sx's sig. "I pity fools who drive automatics." My question is, what's so wrong about driving an automatic? I know driving automatics are for lazy people, but when it comes to people seeing you(example) drive an automatic 240sx, or rx7, all of sudden it's like you did something wrong. Then they tend to brag about how shitty your car is since it's an automatic. Even worse, when you decide to hook it up with groundeffect kits, turbo etc, at first they look at your car from the outside, and say "ooo ahhhh," then as soon as they see the automatic stick, it's like "oh it's an automatic," and "why would he get an automatic and hook it up with this and that, it's stupid." It's like they look down on you since you bought an automatic. I've been thinking about this whole automatic/manual deal. Soon, once I get the money, I too will be going for a 89' 240sx...or 89rx7. But that's my question to all, what is so wrong about an automatic?
I know I may get flamed, but I actually want to know what's bad about them. Thank you.

[hookedup240]

They are very boring to drive and also automatic cars are slower than their manual counterparts.

[DuffMan]

Well most people use their car for drift, grip, drag or some combination of those 3.

Automatics suck for drifting. The suck for grip, because the auto will downshift at times you dont want to and suddenly you oversteer and loose control. Generally they suck for drag too, though I can see certain situations in which an auto would be preferable. Not likely on a street/drag car though.

If you just like to drive to work, and get groceries, autos are fine.

[SXual240]

I see nothing wrong with an automatic.. i have a 98 S14 Auto with SR20DET in it and i love it.. it spools so much faster than a manual and i have earned alot of respect from the '5 speeders' in the area.. so i say that if you want an automatic don't listen to the crap that people give you because they are very capable of leaving a manual in the dust..

[Bliss]

for hard driving, when you want to stay in your power range, usually high in the powerband, an MT is better because YOU keep the car where you want it. On the dragstrip, most ATs can shift faster than you or me, so they are better.

Get what you want.

[Advan]

Thanks for the current inputs, but what I had in mind was that, what I would do, is that once I got the car auto or manual, I was going to hook it up to get some more horses, put on a kit, maybe a turbo. It's just an idea, that may not even take off, because I live in Orlando, FL. Too much traffic and such to deal with. But my main goal was to not only make it a daily driver, but also make it a pretty fast car. Maybe enter it in an import show for fun...just an idea.

[Brian]

automatic REALLY sucks for mountain driving

[TougeRacing]

autos sucks my balls

[stealthj]

i have an auto

it sucks big balls- 4speed sucks

[SXual240]

Well.. everyone has their opinions.. personally i don't like 5 speeds because of the time it takes to shift rather than you don't even have to worry about shifting in an auto.. but i don't go bashing 5 speeds either.. so i don't see any reason for anyone to bash auto's.. just my opinion

[mistaanime]

it's juss wut others think..autos are aiite for daily drivers...still perfer 5spd tho...hehe

[lazyyy-.-]

i have an auto too. i don't bash it or anything...i'm just planning on swapping it out...preferably soon.

[Flybert]

Too much traffic and such to deal with. But my main goal was to not only make it a daily driver, but also make it a pretty fast car. Maybe enter it in an import show for fun...just an idea.

"Import Show for fun" You seriously don't sound like a zilvia type member. Stick around and learn more before you go out and buy a 240sx. Automatics suck for drag in general. Automatics suck for drifting. Automatics like the ones in 240sx's suck for track driving. The only thing automatics are good for is to get your ass to work and back, even that sucks in my opinion. Some of us here drive in traffic with 6 puck clutches and stiff ass suspension in los angeles traffic or San Diego traffic (even worse) so get over your theory about automatics and get yourself a manual. Have you ever driven a manual?

[[email protected]]

actually... i dunno why people are dissin` automatic cars. i just have equal fun with it! i went to speedtrial with my automatic s13. i got moved to advance class because i diced too much. then they have open passing on the advance class... so i played there with my automatic s13. no body there said anything about my auto s13 being eww.... yuck... or wtf?
because people know how to have fun. actually... when i started drifting my auto people at the stand where clapping and shouting.
it's how you have fun with whatever you have at that time. so those who think auto are eww.. yuck... or wtf? needs to widen their mind and think outside the box... gear box that is.

http://speedoptions.com/events/1264/pic009.jpg


http://speedoptions.com/events/1264/pic010.jpg
the head of my auto s13 peeking out... hehehehe...

[SXual240]

Hmmm.. that's all i have to say about that.. hmmm.. >snicker<

[lee180]

i got an auto S14 & im gonna keep it an auto but i luv my 5 speed 180 more

[nokeone]

charlie aside...autos for the general "drift populace" do lick balls..for that matter the average "joe autocrosser" will also say they suck..lol..you have to wait for them...they change unexpectedly at times...they offer less control...

on the drag strip, however, they are as fast, if not faster, once boosted and modded...level 10 makes some great valve body and torque converter upgrades..you WILL stay in boost better and shift quicker...but who wants to drag?..dragging also licks balls...

for to and from work and avg daily driving they are nice...much easier...nice on road trips...etc...LS430, S500, 745i are, and should be, primarily autos...

240sx has NO business being an auto..at least not when owned by a performance enthusiast...

[Flybert]

actually... i dunno why people are dissin` automatic cars. i just have equal fun with it! i went to speedtrial with my automatic s13. i got moved to advance class because i diced too much. then they have open passing on the advance class... so i played there with my automatic s13. no body there said anything about my auto s13 being eww.... yuck... or wtf?
because people know how to have fun. actually... when i started drifting my auto people at the stand where clapping and shouting.
it's how you have fun with whatever you have at that time. so those who think auto are eww.. yuck... or wtf? needs to widen their mind and think outside the box... gear box that is.


You ever tried heel and toeing with an auto. Same as manual, except you throw it into neutral instead of clutching and then throw it down into second for a nice smoothe downshift. I have to admit that I had fun with mine but yearned for more. It just isn't the same. It can be fun but manual is more fun.

[TheTicTac]

I don't get it why do you want to heel toe in an automatic?

[THX1138]

You ever tried heel and toeing with an auto. Same as manual, except you throw it into neutral instead of clutching and then throw it down into second for a nice smoothe downshift. I have to admit that I had fun with mine but yearned for more. It just isn't the same. It can be fun but manual is more fun.

My first car was a 1974 260Z with an automatic, and I used to do that all the time. At first I used my left foot for the brake, but figured if I was gonna do it, I may as well do it right. It certainly made it easier to get heel-toe downshifting down when I started driving manual.

[nocomedown]

Manual is just more fun to drive than automatic, and you have more control over your car. that's all there is to it. i agree that cars like LS400s and big sedans like that should be automatic, but those are meant to serve a different purpose than a 240sx. i think that all sports cars should be manual because you dont get the full experience unless it is. the main excuse i hear from people around here with automatic sports cars is "i'm too lazy to drive a manual" which is complete BS. its like 2nd nature after a week.

[Advan]

"Import Show for fun" You seriously don't sound like a zilvia type member. Stick around and learn more before you go out and buy a 240sx.Which is why I joined this forum. But the import show part, was just an idea. That doesn't mean that I'm going to do it. Besides, I'm just gaining more knowledge about Silvia's than what I already know(which is very small).

So get over your theory about automatics and get yourself a manual. Have you ever driven a manual? Yes I've driven a manual before. All i asked was what's so wrong with an automatic.

Edit: Drifting is waht I really want to do, but since we don't(assumption)have drifting in florida, because everyone is still into dragging on streets, I'm close to giving up on drifting, and stick to learning the ins&outs of a 240 and making it faster, and last longer.

[initial s14]

i bought an auto coz it was the only s-14 that was soooooo clean looking and well maintained at the time i was shopping for a 240sx thus also owned by some 50 year old lady..
i bought it knowing that automatics are mostly adult owned and well taken care of...
and wont break on me at least for a loooooooong time.

[initial s14]

<cont.>..... if i had to drive a stick.... i would prefer it brand new car .. second hand 5-speed cars tend to scare me... coz i will never know how it was driven by some street punk that used to own it...

[crioten]

my car used to be an automatic (until two weeks ago when i made it a 5spd) and i really cant say too many bad things about it...

i used to autox with it as an automatic, and it kinda sucked (i mean, its really not designed for it) and now it seems like i have a brand new car with a stick. for drag racing the stock automatic shifts about the same as someone who knows how to...what everyone is talking about is a built auto made for drag, put in a high stall with a turbo and you will roast the crap out of a stick...in a drag, on any other type of racing a stick will do a lot better

-glen

[Advan]

Whats a high stall?
Another thing I had in mind for a 240, once I learned the in & outs of it, was that, if not putting in a turbo, I would've done a port polish, lighter flywheel etc...and do some more engine work and get hp without a turbo.

[zero.counter]

Anyone that talks shit on autos needs to head on over to supraforums and get their azz "Sacked". I hear a lot of immaturity around here concerning that aspect of cars. There are many advantages and disadvantages to both side that can be thoroughly researched.

There always seems to be alot of misinformation around here, especially when it's based on personal preference, and not studies or professional representation. Hearsay is bad for everyone and contagious, one person hears it on one board and spreads it to another and from there it metastasizes like a cancerous tumor...

[crioten]

a high stall is a high stall converter which allows you to get your revs up on the line causing your turbo to spool up as well (if you have one)

[kat240]

i happen to have an automatic... i think it's alrite, when i drift i stay in 2nd. But i think i prefer driving a 5spd... which i why i'm looking for an MT :D

[transient]

Anyone that talks shit on autos needs to head on over to supraforums and get their azz "Sacked". I hear a lot of immaturity around here concerning that aspect of cars. There are many advantages and disadvantages to both side that can be thoroughly researched.

There always seems to be alot of misinformation around here, especially when it's based on personal preference, and not studies or professional representation. Hearsay is bad for everyone and contagious, one person hears it on one board and spreads it to another and from there it metastasizes like a cancerous tumor...

Right now, I'm driving a Buick Century wagon. Obviously it's not a sports car, but it's still got some funky behaviour that is just bullshit. I was driving around a corner once and the thing downshifted nearly making me lose control... that's not cool. Of all the auto's I've driven, they never seem to be in the right gear. Either they're too high or they're downshifting at an inoportune time as mentioned previously. Auto's are shit for anything but daily driving and drag racing. No supra freak with an overblown ego is going to change my mind about that.

[zero.counter]

Right now, I'm driving a Buick Century wagon. Obviously it's not a sports car, but it's still got some funky behaviour that is just bullshit. I was driving around a corner once and the thing downshifted nearly making me lose control... that's not cool. Of all the auto's I've driven, they never seem to be in the right gear. Either they're too high or they're downshifting at an inoportune time as mentioned previously.

All of this, is irrelevant as it is one personal experience with an already decrepid domestic vehicle. I am not concerned with pretentious dictum, just the facts. You have a bad control (for experimentation purposes) and need to have a relatively good test subject to even make a valid claim on.

Auto's are shit for anything but daily driving and drag racing.
I respect your opinion, unfortunately you had a bad experience, with a domestic vehicle to say the least, and again as stated above is helpful to a small extent. Who actually drag races/drifts a buick wagon with the extra amount of weight and such unforseen amenities anyways???

No supra freak with an overblown ego is going to change my mind about that.
Who me...naw... I have experience and never intended to change anyones mind, especially a moderator's. I am just a product of our nation's higher education system as many are here as well and am nearing the ripe age of 30 with lots to bring to the table.

[Chernobyl]

Ever notice how its only people that drive auto that say auto isn't bad? Honestly, who cares? You aren't going to change anyone's mind. Also, people who say your car isn't cool just because of a tranny aren't looking at the big picture. Of course, your car has to flaunt that auto tranny with style to win over most people.

[zero.counter]

Ever notice how its only people that drive auto that say auto isn't bad? Honestly, who cares?
It's funny you should say that,3 out of 4 of my vehicles are standard. But I have too witnessed that behavior.

You aren't going to change anyone's mind.
Don't be a hero and ignore my previous post about never intending to do that in the first place. I stated more factual evidence is needed to prove that the bliss that is ignorance that, "AUTOS SUCK, AND STANDARDS RULE FOR DRAG/DRIFT".

Also, people who say your car isn't cool just because of a tranny aren't looking at the big picture. Of course, your car has to flaunt that auto tranny with style to win over most people.
I concur...

[Chernobyl]

You aren't going to change anyone's mind.
Don't be a hero and ignore my previous post about never intending to do that in the first place. I stated more factual evidence is needed to prove that the bliss that is ignorance that, "AUTOS SUCK, AND STANDARDS RULE FOR DRAG/DRIFT".


Zero, that statement wasn't pointed at you. I'm replying to the thread as a whole.

[ryan hagen]

in general most auto's cant hold the same power as a manaul, my friends 240 with auto slips alot, it costs more to service the auto, which is why he is going stick, the auto is also heavier. there are performnace options for auto but most either hurt driavability alot, or cost as much as a several stick trans. the auto has more parts inside that make it more prone to failure and although it takes several hours or less to change a cluch when it goes but clutch bands, valve bodies and other little auto tranney gadgets arent fun to play with......

[zero.counter]

Zero, that statement wasn't pointed at you. I'm replying to the thread as a whole.
I apologize dude. :(

[Chernobyl]

no worries man

[SilviaSR20DET]

I used to own an automatic Kouki s14 base and really like the looks but the performance just sucked. I soon got a Zenki S14 manual and the differences is night and day. Its soo much faster than the auto and you have alot more control during drifts then autos. Personally its pretty much pointless to buy a 240 auto, i know some ppl who bought an auto s14 thinking that they will do the auto->manual swap with the sr20det but now realise how much extra money and work it would be. But if your going towards daily driver then auto is great, but if your aiming towards performance the manual has a much better advantage in my opinion.

[Advan]

But if your going towards daily driver then auto is great, but if your aiming towards performance the manual has a much better advantage in my opinion.
Which makes it more difficult for me to choose. Because I'm aiming towards both daily and performance. Excluding the drifting part, that won't be my purpose since we have no place to do it legally, and I see no point in dragging and proving that my 240 can go into the low 9's. I'll wait till I get about $3000 to decide. Although, I wouldn't mind getting into Circuit racing. Isn't Autocross track or circuit racing?

[ryan hagen]

your stock auto tranney will never get u intot he 9's it will die long before that, the auto leaches more power than a manaul, so if you want more power get manaul, you will have less drivetrain loss

[transient]

All of this, is irrelevant as it is one personal experience with an already decrepid domestic vehicle. I am not concerned with pretentious dictum, just the facts. You have a bad control (for experimentation purposes) and need to have a relatively good test subject to even make a valid claim on.


I disagree. Though this car isn't meant for hard driving, it still demonstrates one major downfall of an automatic transmission. The controlling device, be it electronic or mechanical, is just not as capable as even a moderate driver when selecting shift points. This is what I meant to illustrate.


I respect your opinion, unfortunately you had a bad experience, with a domestic vehicle to say the least, and again as stated above is helpful to a small extent. Who actually drag races/drifts a buick wagon with the extra amount of weight and such unforseen amenities anyways???


I never meant to infer that a vehicle such as this would be used in any of those circumstances. My goal was to illustrate the lack of control a driver has when dealing with an automatic transmission.


Who me...naw... I have experience and never intended to change anyones mind, especially a moderator's. I am just a product of our nation's higher education system as many are here as well and am nearing the ripe age of 30 with lots to bring to the table.

Please don't try to pull rank on me by noting your degree. Whether or not you've attended school or lived for nearly 30 years, you still haven't brought anything to the table as of yet. If you can give me evidence showing that automatics have advantages over manuals anywhere but drag racing and daily driving, then I'll listen to you. Telling me how much more supra drivers know about auto's, however, isn't going to do a thing.

I don't mean to sound like a 5-speed zealot or elitist, I just hate it when I hear someone speak of a mass of knowledge and then show nothing for it.

[Advan]

your stock auto tranney will never get u intot he 9's it will die long before that, the auto leaches more power than a manaul, so if you want more power get manaul, you will have less drivetrain loss I was using that as an example.

eDit: Someone mentioned Leve10, and it hit me that they create performance tranny's for automatics. I don't know how reliable they are, and that doesn't mean that I will be getting a performance tranny. But are they actually reliable?

[nokeone]

that was me..and YES..very..

[Anubis]

Automatic is nice cuz I can eat a fatty sandwhich while im cruising down the road.

[revat619]

Automatic is nice cuz I can eat a fatty sandwhich while im cruising down the road.

Hell yeah!!! :D

Seriouslly though, for performance, auto isnt that great but at the same time its not like an auto is totally incapable. I hate how people walk up and say oh nice car and then they see the automatic and are like "ah what a waste..." People who say things like that are ignorant. They have NO facts to base their comments on. I have witnesses who have seen me get my car pretty sideways (and control it) so whatever. I will be doing a 5 speed swap though. Not because of what other people say, but because i want more control on the track; because its easier to initiate a drift.

If you want the most control/performance on the track (minus drag) i would go with a manual. For daily driving auto is fine.

EDIT: Hey Andrew, is that an oem lip on your front bumper that i see in your sig?!?!

[Anubis]

nah i photoshopped it on. hahaha, i'm dumb like that.

[revat619]

nah i photoshopped it on. hahaha, i'm dumb like that.

hahaha, o ok. Still looks cool!

[ryan hagen]

"I hate how people walk up and say oh nice car and then they see the automatic and are like "ah what a waste..." People who say things like that are ignorant. They have NO facts to base their comments on.".....revat619


or they have driven one for 4 years and hate it, then got a stick on their 3rd car which happened to be a 240sx, and i m about go before show, and go usally helps to ahve a manual...... but thats just my opinion


you can get computer controled tansmissions, which are alot better than vacum controled, but it hard even if you ahve you electronically controled tranney to re set shift points while u drive, i have seen for some "muscle car" trans missions to ahve presets you can select but the cost for this is just too much when a manaul would be infintately adjustable by u thinking when to shift.

[nocomedown]

Hell yeah!!! :D

Seriouslly though, for performance, auto isnt that great but at the same time its not like an auto is totally incapable. I hate how people walk up and say oh nice car and then they see the automatic and are like "ah what a waste..." People who say things like that are ignorant. They have NO facts to base their comments on. I have witnesses who have seen me get my car pretty sideways (and control it) so whatever. I will be doing a 5 speed swap though. Not because of what other people say, but because i want more control on the track; because its easier to initiate a drift.

If you want the most control/performance on the track (minus drag) i would go with a manual. For daily driving auto is fine.

You just gave the facts right there. You want more control, so you go manual. You wouldn't be doing that if manual was inferior. Honestly, how many Manual to Auto swap threads do you see on this forum? Each kind of tranny serves its own purpose, and it just so happens that a standard transmission is compatable with a sports car.

[SXual240]

You just gave the facts right there. You want more control, so you go manual. You wouldn't be doing that if manual was inferior. Honestly, how many Manual to Auto swap threads do you see on this forum? Each kind of tranny serves its own purpose, and it just so happens that a standard transmission is compatable with a sports car.

Finally!! Someone that understands.. as i said before it's your opinion.. you give it.. that's fine.. but don't go dissing my AT just because i can't 'drift' as well as you can.. which is BS basically.. i can do just about anything as good as you can.. granted it will prolly take more money but can you really put a price on being orginal? To me you can't.. again.. just a difference of opinion.. i like to drag my 240.. i like to drift also.. but here it's more efficient and fun to me just to drag so i'm VERY happy with my choice.. and as far as speed.. let's just put it this way.. Luda will give you one finger while he's shiftin' gears.. i'll give you two while i'm lookin' behind me.. :x:

[revat619]

You just gave the facts right there. You want more control, so you go manual. You wouldn't be doing that if manual was inferior. Honestly, how many Manual to Auto swap threads do you see on this forum? Each kind of tranny serves its own purpose, and it just so happens that a standard transmission is compatable with a sports car.

I never said manual was inferior. My point was people making dumbass comments without any sort of backing. Like when people say you CAN'T drift with an automatic. YES you can. I've done it.

Yes, i think the manual is better for performance driving, but you wont see me bashing on people's automatics either.

[old_s13]

Some of you people are just completely clueless -- stupid fucks.

Most automatic transmissions suck because they cannot be shifted. Newer automatic transmissions like the one found on the 240SX can be shifted without any negative effects or excessive wear/damage done to the transmission. I have taken numerious people out in my car up in the canyons and have turned them ghost-white because I was kicking some serious ass. I have made manual transmission owners confused as to how I could either keepup with their more powerful and much more expensive cars. AND, I have beaten plenty of cars with equal power but manual transmissions. There's really no need to diss and call anything crap -- its all about how GOOD (or bad) a driver YOU are.

The one biggest flaw with STOCK automatic transmissions is the engagement point for the transmission. From a stand-still, the car's torque converter will need to be upgraded if you want to focus on quick launches (drag racing). Upgraded torque converter will give you all the benefit of consistent and kickass launches and is what you NEED if you ever want to rip people from the launch. Plus if your car is turbo, you have constant boost as the turbo will stay spooled.

Then you have assholes who comment as if they have nothing better to do. Why bother? All it took was 1-2 days for me to rip the fucking auto out of my car and install the 5-speed, big deal. I actually had the clutch pedal sitting there install for a good 6 months before I decided to tackle the entire project.. whoop-dee-doo! Now I was 5-speed, the car was a bit lighter, and of course.. I had more control with my gear changes and more gears to chose from.

After having both, I prefer stick but that is not to say today's automatics have not improved. A good shiftable 5-speed automatic is all you need if you want a balance between comfort and performance.

HOWEVER, in the canyons a GOOD stick driver will really tear it up AND will also be able to use the clutch to initiate slides -- overall, you have even MORE control over your gear selection and RPMs with manual transmissions. I've also found that 5-speeds are better for highway racing where you need to have several gears to select from. On the highway, you can use the transmission to keep the car under control and also slow the car down. With the auto, even though I had Z32 brakes they were hardly sufficient in slowing the car down as efficiently as a manual transmission. This is the benefit in having 5 or 6 gears -- they come in handy.

- Mike

ps: Absolutely NO need to heel/toe with an automatic unless you are an idiot -- its USELESS. Heel/toe is functional with manuals, left-foot-braking is useful with auto's but very rarely.

[Advan]

Wow, never expected to read a post like that. I like the whole thing. I never knew a torque converter would make it to where you can have a fast take off. Though after thinking about it, it's self explanatory. What would be a good efficient torque converter? The only problem that I've learned about a stick is the cable the connects to the shifter. When/if it pops, then you have spend money ($500 for my moms Saturn) to get another one on. Has anyone else had a problem with the cable breaking? I know it may not be clear but it was all I could remember in the morning.
If you do canyon drifting(forgot the name) or racing, then I'd loved to ride shotgun with you. That sounds like fun.

[TokyoNights]

240sx doesnt have a cable..so you dont have to worry about that

[Flybert]

ps: Absolutely NO need to heel/toe with an automatic unless you are an idiot -- its USELESS. Heel/toe is functional with manuals, left-foot-braking is useful with auto's but very rarely.

Back this statement up. I know you know this already but the point of heel and toeing is to downshift into the proper gear smoothely and quickly for the turn. Sure you can just down shift into second quickly with an auto but it's really jerky. Do you like jerky auto downshifts? The question is why wouldn't you want to heel and toe?

[initial s14]

if you all think that autos suck on drifting and manual is better... you are DAMN WRONG !! the FEINT technique applies on automatic cars to drift... especially on wet surfaces that all you need is to swing your vehicle like a pendulum..its all about right timing on weight transitions.

[SimpleS14]

I'm going to do the 5-spd swap on my main S14..because I want to have more control with my car (shifting and what not). As for my other S14...I will keep it automatic, because it comes in handy when you want to play with the chickey riding with me.

[nocomedown]

Back this statement up. I know you know this already but the point of heel and toeing is to downshift into the proper gear smoothely and quickly for the turn. Sure you can just down shift into second quickly with an auto but it's really jerky. Do you like jerky auto downshifts? The question is why wouldn't you want to heel and toe?
Correct me if I'm wrong (I admit I'm no expert on the subject), but wouldn't it be much easier to just use left foot braking instead of heel-toe in an automatic? Isn't the whole reason for doing heel-toe because your left foot is occupied by the clutch? Like I said, I'm not sure about that because, to be quite honest, I have no experience with it, but from the books I've read it seems that would be the case. :confused:

[zero.counter]

Please don't try to pull rank on me by noting your degree. Whether or not you've attended school or lived for nearly 30 years, you still haven't brought anything to the table as of yet.
Really, what do you want to know. Here, email me at [email protected] and give me a detailed list of things you want so I can "back up" my comments. I will also need to be compensated for my "assigned tasks" as it will require use of my time to show some guy on the internet that he is wrong before he damages my reputation by calling B.S. (obvious sarcasm)
If you can do so, I can accomodate, otherwise shooo away.

If you can give me evidence showing that automatics have advantages over manuals anywhere but drag racing and daily driving, then I'll listen to you. Telling me how much more supra drivers know about auto's, however, isn't going to do a thing.
When did I say a damn thing about daily driving. I never brought that up, but actually since you did...It is always a bitch shifting in congestion keeping you in 1st and 2nd gear at most.

I don't mean to sound like a 5-speed zealot or elitist, I just hate it when I hear someone speak of a mass of knowledge and then show nothing for it.
I never said I had mass knowledge or was a "self-proclaimed" anything. I study emergency medicine which is irrelevant here, but common sense is a must and is a bit lacking in some areas of this board. Again, pay me for my time and I will provide you with the research needed to backup, otherwise quit bugging me with yor antics. Just as research projects require basic funding to exist and bring forth knowledge for scientific data purposes, I can apply that basic ideology here as well. Time=Money, at least in my life.

Old_S13 guy,
Dude, you seriously need to get laid more often or if you are an ugly vato, use your hands. Take a chill pill and stop being a hardass on a board which most likely shows your weakness and that you are infact the opposite in real life. Yes, I said real life, not just going to drift events or playing with custom L.E.D.s on cars to look pretty and such, but again...go get a girl and make a family. Do something with your life instead of pushing yourself off as an internet bully of sorts. You don't intimidate me, in fact, my psych rotation in school gives me insights into determining the type of person you really are. Psycho-analyzation is fun, especially when certain cases are obvious, as is yours....Mike.

[zero.counter]

BTW, if you notice, I don't post here for help...ever. I don't know everything, before that lame argument comes out, I just work on cars and don't see any need to flaunt anything I know like others here. I post in defense of others, when the "big dogs" of boards come arounds throwing their weight, acting like they are gods gifts to cars. Some people (besides myself) need to learn humility and humbleness.

[0kami]

If you just like to drive to work, and get groceries, autos are fine.

:Owned:
killed it. :coolugh:

[Xren17]

Just wanted to chime in about this topic. Auto SUCKS! That's my opinion, I don't need research to prove that it sucks. It's like undressing a girl and finding that it's a guy. That's the way I feel when I walk up to a mean ass looking 240 and see that's it's an automatic. There's just something missing. I'm sure an automatic does great with a capable driver but what I really care about is the feeling that a manual gives you. It's like the argument between the Sti and Evo, which is better? No one knows, because it comes down to what the car impart to the driver. I just don't think an automatic impart much beyond putting me to sleep.

[old_s13]

flybert> Back this statement up. I know you know this already but the point of heel and toeing is to downshift into the proper gear smoothely and quickly for the turn. Sure you can just down shift into second quickly with an auto but it's really jerky. Do you like jerky auto downshifts? The question is why wouldn't you want to heel and toe?

Rev matching = 5-speeds, not an option for automatics.
Heel/toe = Rev matching PLUS braking, again.. not an option for automatics.

Think about it, you CANT control the revs with the auto, its POINTLESS to touch the gas while downshifting because it does NOTHING. I've had my auto for over 7 years and knew what I was doing, I slid the car and did more than most would imagine capable. Not saying I am the bomb, just saying I have enough experience with an automatic 240SX to know what I am talking about.


initial s14> the FEINT technique applies on automatic cars to drift...

Yeah yeah, thanks a lot Kei Tsuchiya .. we know that. :) That technique can be used on anything from a shopping kart to a FWD Civic.. its just using momentum and weight shift. But thats not the point. You guys are talking about drifting stock low powered S13's with open diff -- come on now. You need more power and the car has to be build a little more aggressively if you SERIOUSLY want to control your auto. Its like saying a stock S13 is a perfect race-car, its not.. there are still various items that need to be overlooked before you bring out the true-sportiness of our RWD cars. Of course, the better drivers can perform tricks with little to no mods, but thats besides the point.. because some mods make things MUCH easier and more stable to control -- like stiff suspension.


nocomedown> Correct me if I'm wrong (I admit I'm no expert on the subject), but wouldn't it be much easier to just use left foot braking instead of heel-toe in an automatic?

More or less, thats how it works.. you use LFB (left foot braking) but, whats the use? When I would downshift, I would do it simultaneously while braking -- so there is NO reason to brake really. Besides, as long as you leave that resistor plugged in the S13 does a wonderful job of keeping the shift smooth. This is why I think anyone with an auto who unplugs that resistor is a fucking IDIOT -- its pointless and the car performs like ass.


zero.counter> Dude, you seriously need to get laid more often or if you are an ugly vato, use your hands. Take a chill pill and stop being a hardass on a board which most likely shows your weakness and that you are infact the opposite in real life. Yes, I said real life, not just going to drift events or playing with custom L.E.D.s on cars to look pretty and such, but again...go get a girl and make a family. Do something with your life instead of pushing yourself off as an internet bully of sorts. You don't intimidate me, in fact, my psych rotation in school gives me insights into determining the type of person you really are. Psycho-analyzation is fun, especially when certain cases are obvious, as is yours....Mike.

Hey Zero, count my nuts biaaaaatch. Come on man, did you seriously put effort in writing this? Were you serious?! I mean, you have no clue who I am.. and you are talking shit? I've fucking crapped out turds like you in my sleep, dont make me rip you a new one online because it wont take more than a few seconds. Psycho-analyze.. go ahead oh wise one, we'll see how far you can get into the mind of someone who's clinically INSANE before you give up. Yes, yes.. I play with custom L.E.Deez nuts.

Fuck, someone tell me you arent going to be giving people psychological advice and treatment.. just goes to show what happens to people when they go to school too long, they get full of themselves while driving domestic automatics.

- Mike

BTW, if you notice, I don't post here for help...ever. I don't know everything, before that lame argument comes out, I just work on cars and don't see any need to flaunt anything I know like others here. I post in defense of others, when the "big dogs" of boards come arounds throwing their weight, acting like they are gods gifts to cars. Some people (besides myself) need to learn humility and humbleness.

Yes, hence the reason you should continue to shut the fuck up and not waste our time by posting senseless bullshit. Drive an auto 240SX for 7 years THEN talk. In the meantime, please.. pretty please.. shut the fuck up. :)

[DoriftoSlut]

Mike, you shit turds in your sleep? Fuck dude, bed must get messy!




HAHAHAHA. Other than reading about you soiling your sheets, that was a bomb-diggity reply!! Oh, btw, how 'bout them coupe Tailights? Eh? Eh? I want some Red/Pink ones (I can dye the clear parts pink by myself though). And none of this LED crap. That cost more money than my life is worth!!

[DoriftoSlut]

Oh yeha, a great wise man once said:

Driving an automatic [240sx] is like masturbating in a whore house... why would you?

The [240sx] is added cause the very original statement was "...auto SR20DET..." which then he changed to include ALL 240's.

[old_s13]

Zilvia is the greatest non-tech yet, shit-talking forum....

EVAR. ;)

[SXual240]

There is no use in even continuing on this subject because those that have not driven an AT SR20'd 240 won't even give it a chance.. so all i'm gonna say is get over yourselves and have a more open minded.. *note* that wasn't meant toward any specific person..

[DoriftoSlut]

I would drive an auto SR20DET.












































Right into the fucking dumpster.

And anyone talking about don't knock till you own one... thats bullshit. I can absolutely positively conclude that I would hate the fucking car (as i do any automatic car). Why? Cause i can fucking drive and i dont want some damn computer shifting for me. I suppose if you have no driving skill but think going fast is cool (note: driving skill =/= just going fast) then an Auto SR will allow you to fall asleep and still boost your way into the triple digits.

[SXual240]

Big words.. >roll eyes< ..as i said before.. don't knock it till you've tried it.. i guarantee my AT would rip your MT a new one.. but that prolly doesn't matter tothe 'drifter'.. anyways.. like i said.. it's pointless to continue this convo because i'm not gonna change your mind and you're not gonna change mine.. so it's like an endless circle.. both have their good points.. and most defnitely both have their bad.. it's just the 'fever for the flavor' so to speak.. i have a MT as well.. but i love my AT just for the simple fact of stop and go.. stop and go.. shift.. downshift.. blah blah.. it gets kind of old.. that's my choice.. maybe you like that i dunno.. but either way.. they're both good and bad.. and it's in an awesome car as i'm sure you would agree with that.. so let's just leave it at that..

[Dousan_PG]

oh christ
the usual 'stop and go traffic is so hard with a MT' complaint
pansy.

[SXual240]

Pansy? LOL.. Ok man.. you dont even know me.. not very cool to be spouting off insults.. anyways.. grow up.. :hahano: :rolleyes:

[old_s13]

oh christ
the usual 'stop and go traffic is so hard with a MT' complaint
pansy.

AT cars with high-stall torque converters will hate traffic.. because their gas mileage will suck ass.

MT cars with unsprung clutches REALLY hate traffic because 1mm of clutch play before massive engagement SUCKS.

It just depends on who you are and what type of driving you do. The only reason I am speaking on this subject is because I've messed up OH TOO MANY 5-speed drivers with my old auto setup, so I think its foolish for people to speak without actually knowing.

I think auto is wack, but I also think it isnt the end of the world and I definately wouldnt be stupid by looking DOWN on someone for having an auto. 7 years went by and I hate ALL the 5-speed parts in my garage including transmission, it just wasnt a necessity until the auto started to slip..

just like my KA.. lasted 7-8 years before I blew it up, then I went SR. Too many people are hung over their cars like they are hung over my nuts. They think a car is their status symbol in life. We all know my penis, is the biggest status symbol here. :)

- Mike

[SXual240]

LoL.. Preach on brother.. i wasn't trying to start anything with anyone.. just i DO get looked down on because of my AT.. then when they look under the hood they are like 'DAMN bro' everything totally changes.. but i don't talk smack about MT's so why talk about AT's? I just think it's pointless and immature.. that's it.

[nokeone]

the only reason people talk smack is because it's fun...:)..if you seriously were to take a count of the posts on this board and their respective relevance to a subject i bet you would find that like 85% were simply shit talking...

just the way it is..

i hate Autos for sports cars or any type of aggressive driving...they just do not perform as well...you can't argue that fact..sorry..stock for stock and equal mod for equal mod given identicle drivers the manual is the better performer...

but, i would love to have one in my everyday driver...when i pick up my tacoma sr5 v6 4wd trd...it WILL be an auto...just so much simpler on an everyday around town basis...no fuss, no thinking, just chill...

[Advan]

Besides the heel/toe drifting, you can always do the E-brake drift. heh.

[nokeone]

heel/toe drifting?..what's that?

[DoriftoSlut]

Besides the heel/toe drifting, you can always do the E-brake drift. heh.
Shoot yourself in the face.

[Flybert]

Old S13: Lemme tell you that rev matching is very possible in an auto. I don't know about a 240 auto but it works in other japanese autos. This is what you do. Let's just say you are in 3rd and you are approaching the turn. Brake, push the shifter into neutral, heel and toe, and throw it into second. Simple as that. I actually feel that it's a good technique to learn if you want to make your automatic driving experience much better. In an auto 240, can't you put it into neutral when braking? Can't you shift into second when braking? I think it's possible but I've never driven an automatic 240 so I could be wrong. And don't tell me that it would be slow or something like that. I could do it pretty damn fast and it helped get that car into 2nd smoothely when approaching a turn.

[old_s13]

Flybert> Lemme tell you that rev matching is very possible in an auto.

please....

dont be stupid. you DONT rev match an auto.

[Flybert]

Flybert> Lemme tell you that rev matching is very possible in an auto.

please....

dont be stupid. you DONT rev match an auto.

Why is it that it is a smoothe downshift? I don't really know how automatic trannies work so maybe my technichal terms are completely off, but it does seem like I'm matching flywheel speed to some kind of pressure plate (i don't know what it's called in an auto). Do autos even have flywheels?

We have to get together so I can show you what I'm talking about? Are you going to the shine st. meet? I am really curious as to why I'm wrong. I really respect all the info you put on here so I don't want to be writing misinformation.

[hiryu]

Why is it that it is a smoothe downshift? I don't really know how automatic trannies work so maybe my technichal terms are completely off, but it does seem like I'm matching flywheel speed to some kind of pressure plate (i don't know what it's called in an auto). Do autos even have flywheels?

We have to get together so I can show you what I'm talking about? Are you going to the shine st. meet? I am really curious as to why I'm wrong. I really respect all the info you put on here so I don't want to be writing misinformation.
You need this http://auto.howstuffworks.com/automatic-transmission.htm

[Flybert]

You need this http://auto.howstuffworks.com/automatic-transmission.htm

Funny thing you should mention that because I'm there right now.

[old_s13]

Dude, I am going to yell at you if I see you at the Shine Street meet.

With automatics, the flywheel is only used for starting the car.. it doesnt ever need to be resurfaced because there is no clutch or pressure plate. The auto flywheel on the 240SX is very light, like a few pounds.

The way it shifts is all computer/hydrolically controlled. There is no need to rev-match because auto transmissions are not "insta-shift" -- it takes time for the ECU to register the downshift and for the hydrolics to activate the shift change. If you are doing 90mph and throw it in 2nd an automatic will not shift -- a manual will (hence the reason my KA died a glorious death after 170,000 miles.. accidental mis-shift).

So, why rev match an auto? By the time you slide that shifter into neutral, revmatch, and go back into gear.. your rpms will be ALL fucked up.. as in WRONG -- because there is NO POINT, dont you get it? Do you need me to give you a ride?

Now, as a GOOD auto driver what you will learn how to do, is know the gears (just like a manual). You will be in 4th (od on) and know at what speed you can shift into 2nd without having any issues. You will know the max speed of each gear (1,2,3,4) so that you dont accidentally go into the wrong gear. Trust me, doing 30mph and downshifting from 3 to 1 on ACCIDENT is not fun, all of a sudden your RPMS fly up and instead of being in second you are in 1st. You will also learn to use the gears to your advantage.. for instance, you dont downshift to accellerate with the shifter -- you simply mash the throttle for anytime you want accelleration. However, you can downshift to break the back (if you want to), this is why you go into 1st or 2nd when you want to overpower the rear and make it slide. Normally, you downshift while breaking -- same way you downshift a manual while braking, to help take the load off of the brakes a bit.. put a bit of stress on the motor/transmission.

Its an auto, its not AMAZING.. its a stupid lever that you slide. You cannot feel what gear position you are in like a manual, you have to look down to know exactly what gear you are in. Of course, after many years you get a feel.. but its still never 100% fool proof.. I would still occasionally mis-shift the auto.

If your rev-match theory was so useful, people would be rev-matching their Ferrari's with paddle shifters -- they dont because its useless. Sorry to pee on you, but every once and a while I feel like R Kelly.

- Mike

[Flybert]

In my car, you could never mess up with downshifting because it was 2 D3 D4 N R so downshifting into second could be done all the way up to 55mph because of the long gearing. Could never end up in first because there was no option.

OK, I understand that there is no point to heel and toe seeing as you should be relatively facing straight when down shifting so as to prevent oversteer but in my anticipation of driving a manual before I could afford buying another car, I learned to do it on my automatic. When I proceeded to buy my S13, heel and toeing was easy to do and because of this I thought that it was a good thing that I learned how to do it before I got my standard.

I still feel that you can rev match the torque converter or something in there despite all of the stuff you have told me while heel and toeing. I know for a fact that you can do it on my other car and I will refuse to believe you otherwise unless you explain it to me in terms of the mechanics of the torque converter of a 97 civic automatic (my other car.)

[ryan hagen]

zero.counter......"Really, what do you want to know. Here, email me at [email protected] and give me a detailed list of things you want so I can "back up" my comments. I will also need to be compensated for my "assigned tasks" as it will require use of my time to show some guy on the internet that he is wrong before he damages my reputation by calling B.S. (obvious sarcasm)
If you can do so, I can accomodate, otherwise shooo away."

why would any one want to pay u to do any kind of research on this, either way u need to put out money to make either tranney perfect, perfect is our opinion, every one is arrugeing their opinion, U would only find info to back your opinion, and it my opinion in the end i like my manaul and i dont like auto.....doesnt take science or research, it seems about 50% agree, the other 50% dont......no one is gonna pay u anything for this cause no one really cares enough, this is one of those argue to the death threads that will never be won or lost........"otherwise shooo away."

[old_s13]

Its not about liking it or not liking it, personally I think auto's are poop.. but I can atleast appreciate a GOOD automatic.. like the one on the S13, or even better.. the newer automatics which are advertised as sport automatics like the new Z33 transmission -- it has 5 speeds and performs really nicely. As for the driver, shit we all have our preferences. Are you going to deny a Ferrari F60 because its ONLY available with paddle shifters? Essentially, the concept of paddle-style transmissions are somewhat similar to that of automatics.. as there is no clutch, so what's the difference (besides one being extremely race durable and the other being more civilized).

as for you flybert, dont post. Thats all I ask.. please dont post anymore. If I see you at the Shine Street meet, I am going to murder you, cut you with a knife (tm benson), or maybe I'll just choke you.. :) :)

okay im being sarcastic.. but this thread needs to be closed, lets just stop the discussion before that asshole zero.penis comes back. :)

[Flybert]

Agreed, this thing does need to end. Look forward to meeting you at the meet. I'll bring my knife too and we could go at it Michael Jackson "Bad" style.

[transient]

Zero, what is your deal? You come on and tell people that you and all your supra friends will school them on autos, I call you on it, and now you say you want to be PAID for research??? Why do you bother entering into a conversation if you don't have anything good to say?

Btw, I don't see any reason for the thread to be closed, there really hasn't been anything bad in it, and information is still flowing (if only at a dribble). If the people on the board need a moderator to come here and close a thread to keep them from acting childish, maybe they should find another board to hang out on.

[ryan hagen]

if i remeber right the ka automatic "flywheel" is a triangle shaped thing, i think its called a flex plate? thats what its called in other autos, sometimes it weights alot sometimes it doesnt, but i dont see how you could rev match with torque converter.

[Advan]

heel/toe drifting?..what's that?
I meant the drifting technique. I didn't know that I had to be specific about this.
DoriftoSlut:....yes, please shutup now.

[Flybert]

I meant the technique. I didn't know that I had to be specific about this.

What technique are you talking about? You are still vague and not specific.

[Advan]

What technique are you talking about? You are still vague and not specific.
heel/toe technique. I said heel/toe drifting, but forgot to put in "technique."
Sorry.

[old_s13]

heel/toe is not a drift technique you cocks, its a driving technique. by heel/toeing your car wont drift, it only enables YOU (the driver) to control the car easier. god, people learn a word and they use it as if its the key to opening doors in zelda.

the auto flywheel is not triangle, its round with teeth all around it.. thats why the starter turns it, which turns the motor.. which starts your car.

-m

ps: flybert, i will meet you in person and murder you. :)

[Advan]

Sounded as if it was a technique. That was my assumption, which is why I said that. But isn't this technique used while drifting or atleast, when you're preparing to do a drift?

[DoriftoSlut]

Heel toe is a technique for revmatching while downshifting... In no way do you need to use it to drift.

[Advan]

I see, then I apologize for telling you to shutup then.

eDit: Since my question to you all, has been answered in weird ways, I learned alot from this, and plan to learn more while being here.. Thank you

[Flybert]

god, people learn a word and they use it as if its the key to opening doors in zelda.

ps: flybert, i will meet you in person and murder you. :)

Speaking of zelda. I was checking ebay yesterday to see how much I could sell old nintendo games for and some guy sold two sealed original Zelda 1 and 2 for like $250. Crazy collectors. Do you guys remember how hard level 7 was? Those were the days. Bombing and burning people's doors down. Ahhh, good times!!!

As for the murdering, we'll see who's good with a blade. We'll see. :)

[nokeone]

Zelda was the shizzle...he def rolled a manual..he wasn't no punk bitch...

[hookedup240]

this thread is an example at why i love this forum so much.

[nocomedown]

god, people learn a word and they use it as if its the key to opening doors in zelda.
:rofl: that's got to be one of the best analogies i've ever heard.

[TheTicTac]

this thread is an example at why i love this forum so much.

It's kinda like a chiltons repair manual.. pretty general, mostly speculative.

[ryan hagen]

maybe it was a mitsu fly wheel, in one of my books, the car had a messed up fly wheel/flexplate for he auto tranney, i forget where the ring gear was but i think it was a 2 piece or something, in the exploded veiw was where i rember seeing it.... i ll look

[ryan hagen]

:axe: It's kinda like a chiltons repair manual.. pretty general, mostly speculative.

damn right...... when they go at, :axe:

[old_s13]

Heel toe is a technique for revmatching while downshifting... In no way do you need to use it to drift.

well...

rev-matching just means blipping the gas while shifting to match the RPMs.

Heel/toe or pidgeon footing is when you combine braking AND rev-matching -- this is why you use the toes for the brakes, the only difference is you flick your heel out to blip the throttle.

No biggie, just takes practice. Some people cant do it because they're joints are bad or they arent that flexible.. but hey, thats what yoga and lots of crazy sex is for.

- Mike

[sykikchimp]

Some of you guys are fuckin hilarious..

b/c this is a forum, and I can..

my .02

Auto's are good for Trucks, and big sedans.

Sports cars need manuals.. They crave them. You are not totally involved in the dynamics of your car unless you are in control of the rpms of the engine. there is NO control in an Auto.

For christ's sake.. if you like to DRIVE.. Get a manual. If you just like cars.. get whatever you want.

I love to shift. I get more joy from my clutch and my right hand (yeah, yeah.. :rofl: ) then my right foot could ever provide.

The only automatic I know of that actually rocks the house is the new Tranny in the TT V6.. dual electronically controlled clutches.. it predicts the next gear, and engages it before it actually engages it. Even blips the throttle for smooth corner entry downshifts.. Shifts so fast, the shifts are literally undetectable except for watching the RPM's change on the tach. Described as "one smooth continuous pull up to as fast as you care to go. mmm... Audi.. I think it was motor trend that said the Audi tranny overshadows ALL competitors. Even the Ferrari and BMW box's look upon in awe. Of course, it really is just an electronically controlled manual..

[old_s13]

Audi = dog poop

I think Audi/VW is the worst company. Every Audi/VW I've ever worked on from the Golf GTI to the Corrado is just absolute nightmare worth of problems, from electrical to motor. My friend's brand new VW Golf GTI has issues with the air conditioning which failed and the dealer cannot diagnose for some odd reason. Plus, his ECU already died and needed to be replaced. My other friend has a Jetta and his power windows broke because they use cheap plastic parts in the assembly.

If you ask me, the only german stuff that is quality is BMW. I dont care for Mercedes but they also make good products from time to time. Porsche is good as long as they arent using parts from the VW/Audi bin (which often get interchanged). The stuff by Hella/Bosch are always good though.

Man I like german cars but they are pathetic in terms of how over-engineered they are. Its as if the engineers have no fucking life and all they do is design crap that will simplify your life until they fail, then you are in deep shit and paying up the ass for tons of useless shit that you've already grown accustomed to having.

- Mike

[crioten]

right on, bmw's are some of the sweetest cars to drive, period...they are what they sell, some of the best driver cars in the world

i so cant wait to get my 850ci when i get out of college...mike want to do some cool light crap on it, lets say in 3 years? lol

-glen

[Anubis]

I pulled up to wendys and the guy gave me my soda before i paid, then he made a crack about how auto sucks, SO I DROVE AWAY WITHOUT PAYING! BIIATCH! Suck it. How do You like the'm apples?

[nokeone]

liar......

[mrmephistopheles]

LOL. Andrew, i'm going to Wendy's and i'm going to tell them who you are! :D

[Anubis]

tell em to bring it! I'll be waiting at the flagpole after school!

[matlock]

Sounded as if it was a technique. That was my assumption, which is why I said that. But isn't this technique used while drifting or atleast, when you're preparing to do a drift?
See there is your problem, you Assumed it was a "drift" technique....im not trying to be a cock, but you really need to do your homework before you say things like that.....and yes Zelda was the shit.
Zelda was the shizzle...he def rolled a manual..he wasn't no punk bitch...
Agreed, except Link prolly rolled a manual, Zelda was the princess....lol I am a huge nerd.

[Anubis]

there were no cars in the zelda games time line. they all rode horse or goblins and shit

[DoriftoSlut]

there were no cars in the zelda games time line. they all rode horse or goblins and shit
Well then link had to tell his donkey when to go faster or slower adn when to canter or gallop or trot or walk. See? The donkey didn't get to decide which mode he was gonna be in... Therefore it can be determined that Link obviously drove the equivalent of a manual back then. Likewise, he nowadays would without a doubt also drive a manual.

[matlock]

I think Link's goblin was a 3Sp. Manny, haha....

[Anubis]

The old goblins have a special "ass converter" which translates foot power into ass suckage volume. Its an extremly difficult concept to explain however..

[Advan]

matlock: How is that my problem? I made one little mistake by assuming that it was a technique that you would use before performing a drift, since it sounded familar to me, and made me assume that it was a technique. Therefore, since I was wrong and admitted that I was wrong, it was done and over with, and people moved on to other things. Don't know why you brought it back up, but let it go.

[Anubis]

stop bitching

[Advan]

I'm not bitching, I just don't know why he brought it back up.

[Anubis]

Let me recap the whole thread in one sentance:

Automatic people bitch, mike is hardcore, cocksucking drift revmatch tech, autosuck, wendys jacked haha funny, zelda goblins, link rides in a manual.

[DoriftoSlut]

HAHAHHAHA. Dope.

[matlock]

HAHA, that is an awesome and completely accurate recap.

[Advan]

hahaha, although I don't drive an automatic(sold it), after reading other comments towards manuals/automatics, I'm more likey going to get a manual, since they cost less, and my family drives manuals. I'm close to giving up and actually buying a manual. There's other reasons for getting one but I really don't need to bring it up in here.
eDit: And Matlock...I apologize for being a dick to you. I really don't want to make enemies on here.

[nokeone]

eDit: And Matlock...I apologize for being a dick to you. I really don't want to make enemies on here.

don't be a pussy..tell him to fuck off!.. :fawkd:

awesome synopsis...:D

my bad on the link / zelda thing...and damnit i knew that!!..:bash: used to play zelda everyday...i was so stoked when my game cube came with the zelda CD pack...original zelda is still dope!

[matlock]

Hey its cool, I just wanted you to realize you can't say stuff you don't know the meaning of or you will get flamed beyond flaming lol.....its all good. I didn't mean to come off as a prick and didn't mean to bring it back up but I didn't read page 4 until today so sorry man.

[nokeone]

revelant to Zelda: http://2flashgames.com/f/f-462.htm

haha...revelant...hmm or even relevant..

[sykikchimp]

:lockd: Thread COMPLETELY offtopic now.. :lockd: