Me vs. Supercharged 5.8 Mustang!

[whateverjames]

my friend josh let me drive his 300ZX Twin Turbo because he has some rack and pinion work done and wanted to see what i though of it. well, i drove from i-70 to 370 doing 112mph and could have gone a little more. my car has a record of 97. then we hit only 120 in fourth gear coming out of the turn because of the slipping clutch could have gone faster. so we decided to take it home.

driving back to my house i get stopped at a light with two lanes turning left and i told my friend that i like challenging cars around this turn when i have the inside lane. so what pulls up? an 87-93 mustang. i thought wow this should be easy. i look over, and he has drag lites for wheels. i'm like hmm. maybe he has some stuff done. i crack the window, and i asked my friend (who was probably regreting that i'm driving his car) is that a supercharger i hear? he said yeah, and it says 5.8 on the side. i look at the driver he won't look over and acknowledge us, but i see gauges on his pillar.

we take off, and instantly he switches to cool guy mode and has to be 4 feet ahead of us at all times, so i give it gas and fly around the turn and pull ahead, and he downshifts two gears, and i keep it in third. still in third we're totally out of the turn now, he gives it a little gas and pulls away when i'm trying to get lined up, but he's being annoying and won't let me. so i give it more gas and he floors it a second or two before me. i floor it. take it all the way from 3700 rpms in third to 7000. and he's a car length ahead, then shifts and makes it a car and half ahead. 1000 rpms after he shifted, it was my turn to shift into fourth. as i do that, he instantly stops pulling and i start gaining barely but there's a truck up ahead so i slow down.

i get next to him at the stop light and honk my horn to congradulate him and say nice car but he takes off from the flashing red light with the car in front of him, he didn't stop. so i kept flooring it until i got up next to him in second at 7000 rpm and let off that gas next to him "pfffffffffttttttt!!" the sound of the bypass valve. now instead of third, i have it in second. as soon as he downshifts to second again i punch it, to have the advantage like he has last time. goodbye mustang!

finally he rolled down his window and said "that must be turbo.." "yep and that's supercharged right?" "yeah.." then we told him it was a nice mustang, and he said nice car or whatever, and we said it's near stock (well, kinda) and he said, ya i've only done a few things. (ya i believe that or something)

and remember, the 300ZX had an extra person and a slipping clutch. not slipping as in when i shifted, but slipping when it got to about 5000 RPM. i still think he would have won if we took off at the same time, but with about 2 PSI more (raising it to only 11psi) and a different clutch would be a different story. ahhh too much adrenaline must relax now.

here is josh's page <a href="http://300zx.whateverjames.com" target='_blank'>http://300zx.whateverjames.com</a>

(Edited by whateverjames at 2:29 am on Jan. 13, 2002)

[COUGAR]

my bud has a real 5.8 with no supercharger and if he punches it on street tires he'll go sideways... i think in the straight line a S/C'd one coulda spanked a Z.. but it totally coulda been fake badged and stuff

[DSC]

I've never heard of a 5.8 stang, is that an engine swap they do or somethin?
Anyway good job, 300zxTT's rock, I've got a friend with a '90z32tt pushing ~15psi and it hurts your neck <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> I haven't asked to drive it because I don't trust my driving abilities with that much power but ####, its a sweet car.

[mistert]

its just a 5.0 with a stroker crank, right?

[max burke]

You can poke and stroke a 302 to 355ci (3.4&quot; stroke + 0.080&quot; overbore) but that's REALLY pushing it. Most people go with a 347 or 331 with the stock 302 block. A 5.8 is a 351W which is a larger block altogether. For Ford V8's, think of the 302 as a &quot;small&quot;, 351 as a &quot;medium&quot; and everything else (ie: BB FE's, 429/460's) as &quot;large.&quot;

For what it's worth a 351 can be stroked to 427 cubic inches (7liters)

EDIT: A supercharged 5.8 should be pushing at least 500hp to the wheels.


(Edited by max burke at 11:50 pm on Jan. 12, 2002)

[COUGAR]

the cobra R is a 5.8 with S/C but my but jsut slapped a 5.8 in a 83 foxbody GT.... when he can fidn some tires that will grab the road liek mad he'll be runnin some insane times... hsi best so far is like 13 cause he burns his tires on launch... unles hes gotten some lately

[max burke]

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the cobra R is a 5.8 with S/C but my but jsut slapped a 5.8 in a 83 foxbody GT.... when he can fidn some tires that will grab the road liek mad he'll be runnin some insane times... hsi best so far is like 13 cause he burns his tires on launch... unles hes gotten some lately
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The 1995 Cobra R is the only year it came with a 5.8 and it was not supercharged.

[COUGAR]

sorry its a 5.4.. jeez.. close enough <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[mistert]

yes indeed i didnt even think to make the connection between the ford 351 and 4.8 litres. the only domestics i have done any research into recently are chevys, im just not very big on fomoco

[DuffMan]

The 351w is a very kick ass motor. You can buy one brand new (crate motor) and also with different options like different head setups and a stroker kit. Buying a broken down stang and dropping a 351w in it is a very popular swap, and an easy cheap way to have an awesome drag car. This is the one thing I really envy the domestic guys on, crate motors.

Think what it would be like if we could order a brand new SR20DET from the factory with different performance options!

[wherezmytofu]

i know this is way off subject....but mistert has the best avatar!!! hella yay dancing 7-up thinggies!

[samiam]

Sorry, sounds like a good run; but, if it was indeed a s/c stang it should have handed the 'Z' it's ass. Maybe, he had the older 4cyl. mustang with a s/c. Don't get me wrong I love a good 'ttZx' and hate the #### out of freakin' Ford, but I don't know :confused:

[trashcan]

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Think what it would be like if we could order a brand new SR20DET from the factory with different performance options!
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I am not aware of anything like that from Nissan or Nismo, but crate engines do exist for the SR. Tomei makes a TSR380 crate engine (as in 380ps), as well as a 200, 220 and 350.

Pat

[whateverjames]

well, thanks for not ripping on me and saying there's no way and #### and stuff. but about the comment of a 5.8L mustang with a supercharger putting 500 at the wheels, that's not always true. it's like saying an SR should be hitting 800 at the flywheel because JUN had their's up to 800. it depends on the setup. maybe his stang wasn't fully built up or maybe he was running stock internals with a 6psi supercharger. my same friend with a Z has a 5.8L bronco. i don't think by slapping on a supercharger he'll be putting 500 at the wheels! it's all about the setup.

i'm not sure if it was a 5.8L or not. but it was atleast a 302 i know for sure. maybe he's an domestic ricer and wanted to be cool and put a 5.8 sticker where a 5.0 sticker would normally go. his license plates said &quot;SC - BABY&quot;

and i'm not sure if you guys know this or not, and i'm sorry if i'm taking it the wrong way because it seems you guys think it's bone stock, but the Z does have some upgrades. we told the guy it was near stock because he said the same thing about his car, which we knew wasn't true. the Z has an intake, hi flo cats, exhaust, flywheel and ECU running 9 PSI. used to have an ACT clutch but it got burnt out. we still have to put on the apex boost controller and Unorthodox pulley. now that would be fun.

[max burke]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from whateverjames on 3:50 pm on Jan. 13, 2002
well, thanks for not ripping on me and saying there's no way and #### and stuff. but about the comment of a 5.8L mustang with a supercharger putting 500 at the wheels, that's not always true. it's like saying an SR should be hitting 800 at the flywheel because JUN had their's up to 800. it depends on the setup. maybe his stang wasn't fully built up or maybe he was running stock internals with a 6psi supercharger. my same friend with a Z has a 5.8L bronco. i don't think by slapping on a supercharger he'll be putting 500 at the wheels! it's all about the setup.
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Oh, no doubt. But then again most numpty's don't go through all the trouble of installing a 5.8 (since it requires different headers as well as a new hood in many cases) and then keep the old restrictive intake manifold and heads. A mildly built 351 will put down 350-400 at the wheels and a 6psi supercharger could quite easily go up to 500hp.

[mbmbmb23]

My friend has a 351 smallblock Windsor in his 87 GT mustang, 5.8 Litre badges (from Ford of Australia), off road exhaust, etc....

That car is badass....it sounds like a NASCAR machine (if you've ever seen a race, and the cars close up you know what I mean) ..and is way fast. &nbsp; I love Nissans, but I think a supercharged 5.8 could smoke a slightly modded 300ZX (assuming the mustang can keep his traction).


thats just my 2 cents


M

[whateverjames]

well, it didn't smoke the Z (if having a second head start winning by a car length and is considered smoking) so guess this mustang was all hype, and was not fixed up correctly, and he has a while to go. this is the second supercharged 87-93 mustang the Z has lost to and the results were the same in both races. i guess the folks in st louis don't know what they're doing <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

Mustangs suck!! supercharged or not, i think they are all noise, no go!! &nbsp;and they are ugly. IMPORTS ALL THE WAY

[LanceS13]

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Mustangs suck!! supercharged or not, i think they are all noise, no go!! and they are ugly. IMPORTS ALL THE WAY</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
yet again, closed-minded ignorance runs rampant
ugly? arguably...yes
noisey? hmmm...I love the newer GT's exhaust note
no go? yeah, I guess low 14's high 13's for a stock GT is slow, huh.

We have a guy in our SCCA region with a Saleen S371...almost 500 supercharged horsepower. The car is badass in the straights and the corners....one of the few domestics I'd ever consider owning.

Not that I'm a Ford fan, but it's kinda hard to argue with the numbers. &nbsp;I dunno...I just like all cars for what they're capable of.

(Edited by LanceS13 at 12:44 pm on Jan. 16, 2002)