odometer fraud, HELP!!

[joel]

i just recently bought a ford explorer 92 and when i bought it it was supposed to have 140000 miles on it. it was bought from a used car lot. when i got home, i did a carfax on it and it seems to have like an extra 100,00 on it cause the odometer only says 40,000 so i dont know what i should do. is the car lot liable for it even though i dont thik that they were the ones that messed with the odometer? im pretty sure the original owner did it. so do they have to give me my money back? is there any specific sites i can go to?? thanks for the help!!

[rancid240]

i doubt anyone messed with it, like actually physically rolling the miles back. old fords like that only go to 99k then reset.

[joel]

yes i realize that they didnt physically roll it back but it was sold to me at 140000 when it actually has 240000. i dont know what to do. i mean if i were to sell it to someone else saying that it had 140000 and it had 240000 it would be my responsibililty ??????????

[thx247]

Well, two things here


Its a ford 92 explorer. I doubt it has 240,000 miles on it because apparently its still running.

or two

The dealership assumed there is no way it has 240,000 miles on it, and that the odometer rolled over only once.


If the odometer rolled over twice I would guess the dealership just made a mistake and assumed wrong. Let them know if it concerns you greatly. I still think a ford with 240,000 miles on it would be easy to tell from a ford with 140,000 on it.

[nokeone]

Originally posted by thx247
I still think a ford with 240,000 miles on it would be easy to tell from a ford with 140,000 on it.

agreed...one would run..one wouldn't..:p

[elevator]

It is illegal to misrepresent an automobile's mileage. If you take your carfax to the dealer I think they would HAVE to refund your $. I think you may want to call Judge Judy on this one.

As I have said before I used to work for the largest used car dealership oin the world. I was responsible for appraisals and such for some time and I was also in sales. Mileage misrepresentation can cause a dealership to get into MAJOR kimchee!

[joel]

ok, thanks. but even if he didnt know about the mileage when he bought it, is he still liable for it as a dealer since he sold it to me?
This is the carfax report for the mileage. mileage is to the right of the date. what do you guys think? I mean the truck runs pretty good and is in excellent shape. do you think the ford dealership would be able to tell me what mileage it actually has??
thanks yall!!




11/04/1991 352 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Gainesville, FL
Title #62269429
Odometer reading reported for title


11/14/1991 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Gainesville, FL
Title #62269429
Title issued
First owner reported
Loan or lien reported


01/27/1995 85,998 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Greensboro, NC
Odometer reading reported for title


02/02/1995 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Greensboro, NC
Title #0062269429
Title issued
Loan or lien reported


02/02/1995 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Auburndale, FL
Title #62269429
Title issued
Loan or lien reported


10/07/1996 20,280 North Carolina
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Greensboro, NC
Title #0000139008
Title or registration issued
POTENTIAL ODOMETER ROLLBACK

CARFAX AdvisorTM
The readings causing this rollback were collected by a DMV or other verifiable source. Please verify the mileage with your dealer or a qualified mechanic.

11/21/1997 51,365 North Carolina
Inspection Station
Greensboro, NC
Failed emissions inspection


11/25/1997 North Carolina
Inspection Station
Greensboro, NC
Passed emissions inspection


07/21/1998 North Carolina
Police Report
Greensboro, NC
Case #98136004
Accident Reported
or collision


11/23/1998 73,363 North Carolina
Inspection Station
Greensboro, NC
Passed emissions inspection


02/22/2000 North Carolina
Inspection Station
Greensboro, NC
Passed emissions inspection


06/16/2000 104,000 North Carolina
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Greensboro, NC
Title #779233001685019
Title or registration issued


11/22/2000 111,150 North Carolina
Inspection Station
Greensboro, NC
Passed emissions inspection


12/18/2001 North Carolina
Inspection Station
Greensboro, NC
Passed emissions inspection


01/24/2003 33,587 North Carolina
Inspection Station
Greensboro, NC
Passed emissions inspection
INCONSISTENT ODOMETER READING

CARFAX AdvisorTM
CARFAX analyzed this mileage history and is uncertain whether this reading represents a rollback or a clerical error. Please verify the mileage with your dealer or a qualified mechanic.

06/27/2003 North Carolina
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Greensboro, NC
Title #779317031780134
Registration issued
New owner reported


01/13/2004 Ford Motor Company No recalls open for repair

[Startours7]

Dude I find it hard to belive that it would even make it to 140,000
I guess stranger things have happened. Just take it back, you don't want a ford.

[HiPSI]

Originally posted by Startours7
Dude I find it hard to belive that it would even make it to 140,000
I guess stranger things have happened. Just take it back, you don't want a ford.


some family friends of mine have a 92 exploder with 280,000 miles on it and it still runs good. i'll believe it if it was well maintained.

[nokeone]

i'd go back...show them the car fax...ask for a partial refund...keep the car...

get like $2000 back....call it a day and enjoy the car since you stated it was in such good condition...

[S13S14S15]

yea, just bring it back, you will get something outta it if they misleaded you. my uncle bought a benz from a dealer, and they misleaded him with something (don't remember what), but he got them to pay him some money

[nokeone]

my real question though:

why not do a car fax BEFORE you purchase the vehicle?

anyone? anyone?

[Startours7]

Originally posted by HiPSI
some family friends of mine have a 92 exploder with 280,000 miles on it and it still runs good. i'll believe it if it was well maintained.


Mabey it's odometer fraud to make people think fords last longer.
lol

[elevator]

Originally posted by nokeone
my real question though:

why not do a car fax BEFORE you purchase the vehicle?

anyone? anyone?
A reputable dealer ALWAYS does that. Carmax does.

[joel]

well i tried to do a carfax and my credit card wouldnt go through then i came on here and posted a message about it and someone deleted my post.

the thing is, i bought the car from like a local car lot. the guy like runs it out of his house. so its not going to be that easy. he might be a hardass about it. that is why i want to know the hard facts that he is responsible for the car regardless if someone else did the actual fraud. because i know that he is going to say that he didnt know because the title says 140000. but he is still responsible for it right?

does anyone have any websites that i can go to so i can print out and go over there and lay the smack down that he is going to have to either give me some money back on the car or get a full refund. thanks

[Jeff240sx]

He's responsible for the item he sold. He told you it was 140k. I don't know if he said anything else about an accident. Someone is legally obligated to tell you all they know about what they sold you, from a candy bar (allergy info) or a car or a house. So if you bought something under what turns out to be false pretenses, you can get your money back. If he's a hardass, tell him you'll talk to a lawyer, and he'll end up refunding the car, paying for your lawyer and all the court costs. He'll cough up some money if he knows what's good for him.
-Jeff

[rrobe99999]

What does the title say about the mileage? It probably says "miles not actual". If you saw that before making the purcahse, it seems that it would be hard to claim dealer misrepresentation. The best he could do was estimate the mileage.

[wherezmytofu]

well u bought a ford...good work