I got my rb20det from venus today!

[crxcess]

I got it for $1200 plus shipping. overall I am very happy with my purchase, even though its missing the dash (wasnt gonna use it), shift knob, and all suspension. I did get a clutch pedal assy, it will work in my s13! (Auto to manual swap). Venus gave me a complete drive shaft, spare radiator, good smic, and gauge cluster ( was cut but needed to be lengthened anyway), and a digital climate control missing the cover plate ( renders it useless to me). I will be taking lots of pics and will have the swap on my brothers web page when im done. The site is TBA later.

[blu808]

Congrats on your purchase. And good luck with your project.
Just make sure you compression test your motor right away, because it is a venus clip. And if you ever see rhonald (owner of venus) give him a good punch in the face for me.

Luke

[mike13]

WOW A SKYLINE ENGINE :rolleyes:
are you gonna put that in your CRX?

there's a lot of ricers in the tech section tonight

[NZO]

There is a reason RB20s are so cheap...

[sticky240]

Originally posted by NZO
There is a reason RB20s are so cheap...

may sound dumb, but why are they so cheap?:confused:

[NZO]

Because no one wants them.

[DRFT]

I sense some ahte in this thread.

The reason they are so cheap because they are old engines and out of production, like the CA
The majority of people would rather have a rb25 over a rb20 due to more power and more parts for it, same with SR as to CA.

but even though the RB20 and CA is less popular they are still great engines

[sticky240]

Originally posted by DRFT
I sense some ahte in this thread.

The reason they are so cheap because they are old engines and out of production, like the CA
The majority of people would rather have a rb25 over a rb20 due to more power and more parts for it, same with SR as to CA.

but even though the RB20 and CA is less popular they are still great engines

great responce, thank you

[revat619]

Originally posted by mike13
WOW A SKYLINE ENGINE :rolleyes:
are you gonna put that in your CRX?

there's a lot of ricers in the tech section tonight

WOW, YOU"RE COOL....:rolleyes:

crxcess, good luck on the install.

[Ghettokracker71]

Originally posted by DRFT
I sense some ahte in this thread.

The reason they are so cheap because they are old engines and out of production, like the CA
The majority of people would rather have a rb25 over a rb20 due to more power and more parts for it, same with SR as to CA.

but even though the RB20 and CA is less popular they are still great engines

Yep....I'd love an RB20 in my FB....:)

[240Driver39]

people really need to go off it nemore..gettin old...:rolleyes:

but anyways good luck on the install!

[NZO]

rb20 is pretty pointless. Its heavier than an sr, can make less power than an sr, and has WAY less aftermarket support. But hey if you want to tell ppl you have an rb, I guess rb20 is the way to go...

Not hating, its just the way it is.

[Ghettokracker71]

Originally posted by NZO
rb20 is pretty pointless. Its heavier than an sr, can make less power than an sr, and has WAY less aftermarket support. But hey if you want to tell ppl you have an rb, I guess rb20 is the way to go...

Not hating, its just the way it is.

Shitton more power than KA24E or KA24DE...alot more aftermarket support,and alot, ALOT more power potential

and its still a f*cking RB(ITS A RB,COME ON!) series engine....I'm happy for you man,good luck on the install

and I would venture to say it proble can make the same,if not alot more power than an SR....I don't know,but logic would say it easily can :)

And of course the braggings rights of having an RB

EDIT: 250th post !!!!!!!!!!!:D :D :D :D

[crxcess]

Actually the motor is going in my 91 coupe.. Crxcess is a name I have had since I got into the import scene back in 1997. I sold my crx long ago... also the site where the swap is going to be is www.crxcess.com.
The reason I chose the rb20 motor over all the other choices out there is because its 1: cheap!, 2: inline 6, 3: cast iron, and 4: almost bolts in( supposedly "i'll find out") 5: sounds nice, 6: has good torque potential. And the last reason...Yes its a skyline r32 rb20 motor! (bragging rights)
I havt actually done a compresion check but its got 175 written on the cover all the way across (i'll do on just to be sure).
Also I would like to say no motor swap is pointless so long as it makes more power then you had. The motor coming out of that coupe is a tired automatic KA24 motor w/180k miles. The rb is going to spice that car up alot. And its also a learning experence for me. Maybe I will do a s14 rb26dett next?!?!
Thanks for all the posts ! I enjoy reading them.

[Ghettokracker71]

Originally posted by crxcess
Actually the motor is going in my 91 coupe.. Crxcess is a name I have had since I got into the import scene back in 1997. I sold my crx long ago... also the site where the swap is going to be is www.crxcess.com.
The reason I chose the rb20 motor over all the other choices out there is because its 1: cheap!, 2: inline 6, 3: cast iron, and 4: almost bolts in( supposedly "i'll find out") 5: sounds nice, 6: has good torque potential. And the last reason...Yes its a skyline r32 rb20 motor! (bragging rights)
I have actually done a compresion check but its got 175 written on the cover all the way across (i'll do one just to be sure).
Also I would like to say no motor swap is pointless so long as it makes more power then you had. The motor coming out of that coupe is a tired automatic KA24 motor w/180k miles. The rb is going to spice that car up alot. And its also a learning experence for me. Maybe I will do a s14 rb26dett next?!?!
Thanks for all the posts ! I enjoy reading them.

I'm interested in seeing how it turned out,and performs and what not........What kind of trans are you planning on runnin? Man. swap I would assume ? Good luck...and while your at it,get you some nice rims and ditch those stockers(:barf: ) ........Otherwise thats a purdy coupe

[nightwalker]

I had pondered a RB25 swap a long time ago. Real world circumstances led me away. Basically, since my car was my daily driver and only car, I didn't feel it would work well for me.

As with S13 SR motors, do a very thorough check. You're swapping a 180k ten plus year old motor for a low mileage ten plus year old motor that's been sitting around for who knows how many years.

Anyways, have fun. Good luck getting parts, and be prepared to PAY for them.

[DRFT]

wow thats one clean ass looking coupe.

from what i ahve read the rb20det driveshaft should be the same as KA, but the rb25 driveshaft you'd ahve to customize. basically your only problem with the install might be the mounts. I Think* the driveshaft is the same because i read it somewhere, and no not from SCC or super street:rolleyes:

[PROJECTRB240SX]

YEAH ANOTHER GREAT THREAD THAT HAS LITTLE TO NO FACTUAL KNOWLEDGE.

YEAH RB20 HAVING LESS POWER THAN SR20.... GREAT ONE.
RB20 POINTLESS.... ANOTHER GREAT ONE.

THE STOCK DRIVESHAFT WILL WORK WITH THE RB20 WITHOUT A PROBLEM.

SO BASICALLY IF ANYONE WANTS TO COMMENT ON THE RB20 PLEASE ACTUALLY OWN OR HAVE OWNED ONE..... THIS WILL KEEP THE MISINFORMATION DOWN.

AND NZO YOU ARE THE IDIOT OF THE DAY! THANK YOU, MORON.

[Ghettokracker71]

Originally posted by PROJECTRB240SX
YEAH ANOTHER GREAT THREAD THAT HAS LITTLE TO NO FACTUAL KNOWLEDGE.

YEAH RB20 HAVING LESS POWER THAN SR20.... GREAT ONE.
RB20 POINTLESS.... ANOTHER GREAT ONE.

THE STOCK DRIVESHAFT WILL WORK WITH THE RB20 WITHOUT A PROBLEM.

SO BASICALLY IF ANYONE WANTS TO COMMENT ON THE RB20 PLEASE ACTUALLY OWN OR HAVE OWNED ONE..... THIS WILL KEEP THE MISINFORMATION DOWN.

AND NZO YOU ARE THE IDIOT OF THE DAY! THANK YOU, MORON.

You may be right on all of these points,but at least he knows how to turn off the caps lock.

"Nobody gives a shit if you can tell them all the worlds secrets,when your yelling it to them,all they hear is nastiness."

[NZO]

Originally posted by PROJECTRB240SX
YEAH ANOTHER GREAT THREAD THAT HAS LITTLE TO NO FACTUAL KNOWLEDGE.

YEAH RB20 HAVING LESS POWER THAN SR20.... GREAT ONE.


Well since an rb20 will only hold ~400hp reliably and anything above that and youre asking for trouble, what I said is true since stock bottom end sr20s will do 550+whp reliably.

RB20 POINTLESS.... ANOTHER GREAT ONE.

Completely pointless actually, almost NO aftermarket parts availability, even if you live in Japan. Engine is also way heavier than an sr20. Of course I already said all of that, I guess you have a literacy problem (http://www.learn2read.com/) .

SO BASICALLY IF ANYONE WANTS TO COMMENT ON THE RB20 PLEASE ACTUALLY OWN OR HAVE OWNED ONE..... THIS WILL KEEP THE MISINFORMATION DOWN.

Assuming you know everything about them just because you own one is incredibly ignorant, which of course, you are.

AND NZO YOU ARE THE IDIOT OF THE DAY! THANK YOU, MORON.

Youre quite welcome. Please drive through.

[Var]

Originally posted by NZO
Well since an rb20 will only hold ~400hp reliably and anything above that and youre asking for trouble, what I said is true since stock bottom end sr20s will do 550+whp reliably.


rrrright. i've heard a range on things reguarding power claims for the sr, rb, ka and maybe an sr20 will do 550whp but not reliably unless it's newly rebuilt and still i dont know about reliably. Jesus christ the rb25 can hardly hold that much power "reliably"

[black s13]

actually some guy has a SR in a FD (FC??) and he just posted either here or on FA that hes making like 556hp on the stock bottom end. Enjuku made like 555 on the stock bottom end.

[turboex]

Damn whats the deal with all the haters in the nissan world, your all making the honda boys look so nice. I say congrats on your purchase, will be a difrent setup and great fun. Honestly most of the people that get sr20dets just leave the stock of do a weak baby hks turbo on them anyway. So im sure you will be able to find a few parts so you can keep up with the crowd if thats your thing. Congrats man. Mama always said "if you dont have anything positive to say then STFU!!!!!"

[DRFT]

Originally posted by turboex
Damn whats the deal with all the haters in the nissan world, your all making the honda boys look so nice. I say congrats on your purchase, will be a difrent setup and great fun. Honestly most of the people that get sr20dets just leave the stock of do a weak baby hks turbo on them anyway. So im sure you will be able to find a few parts so you can keep up with the crowd if thats your thing. Congrats man. Mama always said "if you dont have anything positive to say then STFU!!!!!" :werd:

[haveblue]

ive been looking at the same setup on a s13 hatch i just acquired. the rb20 should be a nice and CHEAP swap. all the SR motor sets ive found have been over 1500. clips were even more. i think its gona be a great upgrade. it is heavier but i have not seen any specific numbers. can you weigh it before you put it in? just the motor and tranny?

Should sound real nice too. from what ive read you can use the crossmember it comes with to bolt it in. after that its wiring, ic and piping. not sure about AC but power steering lines should be able to bend or just have some made. Good luck. let us know how it goes. i would like to see it sometime too. where in cali are you?

[Var]

Originally posted by black s13
actually some guy has a SR in a FD (FC??) and he just posted either here or on FA that hes making like 556hp on the stock bottom end. Enjuku made like 555 on the stock bottom end.

i believe it. but when the word reliable gets tossed around like it doesnt mean anything it annoys me.

[turboex]

yeah, i would give that 500hp motor about a year or less or good driving and racing before it takes a crap. Then you have to build up. and most the guys/shops with the 500pluss stock bottom end sr's had to uses a few of them to reach that level. due to first ones not holding up. like one of the other guys said, its not a new motor, so it has wear even when you first get it.

[PROJECTRB240SX]

Originally posted by NZO
Well since an rb20 will only hold ~400hp reliably and anything above that and youre asking for trouble, what I said is true since stock bottom end sr20s will do 550+whp reliably.

BEEN ON SKYLINES DOWNUNDER LATELY, I THINK NOT.... THEY HAVE TWO PEOPLE ON THERE PUSHING 600HP ON STOCK BOTTOMED RB20S, WDRACING ON NICO HAS PUSHED OVER 500 ON HIS.



Completely pointless actually, almost NO aftermarket parts availability, even if you live in Japan. Engine is also way heavier than an sr20. Of course I already said all of that, I guess you have a literacy problem (http://www.learn2read.com/) .
NO AFTER MARKET SUPPORT HUH? WELL LET SEE, HALF THE PARTS ON MY ENGINE ALSO CAME ON THE RB25 SO THERE IS QUITE ABIT OF SUPPORT THERE, TOMEI HAS A WHOLE RB20DE/T LINE UP, THERE ARE TONS OF AUSTRAILIAN SHOPS THAT HAVE CUSTOM PARTS FOR THE RB20, TOPHATPERFORMANCE HAS A WHOLE NEW LINEUP FOR THE RB20. THERE ARE QUITE A FEW INTERNALS AVAIABLE FOR THE RB20 THROUGH MAJOR MANUFACTURERS, THE VALVETRAIN IS THE SAME AS THE VG30DE/T/TT SO HOLY CRAP HOW MUCH SUPPORT IS THAT?

IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT, HAVE FACTS TO BACK IT UP!

OHH AND THE RB20DET IS ONLY 65LBS HEAVIER THAN MY KA24E SO THATS WHAT 75LBS ON TOP OF THE SR? THIS GIVES ME MORE BASE HP, 6 CYL, AND A WHOLE LOT MORE REV RANGE.


I'M TYPING IN CAPS BECAUSE I'M AT WORK AND I CAN'T CHANGE IT, SO I'M SORRY IF IT BOTHERS YOU GUYS.

[PROJECTRB240SX]

AND LIKE I OFFERED UP BEFORE.... NZO YOU WANT TO PROVE THE SR WILL HANDLE 550HP ON THE STOCK BOTTOMEND RELIABLY COMPARED TO THE RB20..... PUT YOUR MOTOR WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS, I'LL PUT UP ONE OF MY MOTORS AND BUILD IT TO 550CHP AND YOU BUILD YOUR SR TO THAT AND WE WILL HOLD A STRESS TEST AND SEE WHOS POPS FIRST.

[crxcess]

cat fight! hehehe
Anyway, Im going to be using my rb swap as a daily driver to school and back, not looking for 500+ hp.... just wanna spank the guys in my class.... BTW I go to an automotive college. (lotta big hedded import drivers).
I live in orange county , I dont mind showin off.
I hope that everything goes well and that I can clear all the misinformation about this swap up.
I know this post is out of context but I gotta go to shool! One last thing This is my first nissan swap I am no expert, also im unbiased about any motor. THEY ARE ALL GOOD:rolleyes:
(lill pic for honda haters)

[DRFT]

are you making that crx into a vert?

[crxcess]

No, sand box! J/k its last photo before being hauled off. It was scavaged for parts.

[JayChen]

CRXCESS, first, Congrat on the engine... I have been thinking getting a RB for a while now, just need to get a body that's stright.

Which part of SO Cal are you at ? I am in Chino, I would like to take a look of the RB or maybe help out if I can... So, when I putting my RB into my car in the future, I would know what the hell is going on = )

As for weight, I think RB20 is about 80 lbs heavier than SR... but I have not weight them myself. But it's not that much if all you do is daily driver. Beside, if you know how or have the money, make some custom engine mount that pushes the engine and tranny back and lower. It suppose to be even better weight balance than a just a SR... So, not really that pointless, to me at least... Beside, SR clip, at least $2500 now, RB20 clip.. $1200... dude, half price. I am poor, that much difference sure is a valid point to me.

[haveblue]

i used to have a crx. always wondered what it would look like as a convertible. then i saw one. apparently there was a guy doing conversions. its still running around town up here.
If you need help, it would be fun to come down some weekend and give you a hand.

[crxcess]

Thank you for all the offers for help, but at this time this swap is on hold till I get the coupe through smog. If I need any help I know where to look.
Thanks!
Also This car is forsale $5k firm

[chineseb0i]

damn..seriously some haters in this forum..i mean how did a post about getting a rb20 from venus turn into a hate fest with SR's vs RB's and which is better or has more potential. I think if you're a good tuner, have the right resources, and know what the hell you're doing then both engines have high potentials for making some kick @$$ power. Just my opinion for the day and if u don't like my opinon then good for you. At least i'm not a HATER

[PROJECTRB240SX]

THE ONLY THING I HATE IS PEOPLE LIKE NZO WHO MAKE STUPID COMMENTS ABOUT SOMETHING THEY KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT. HEY IF YOU HAVE A LEGITIMATE BEEF WITH THE MOTOR BECAUSE YOU'VE OWNED IT, WORKED ON THEM, OR WHATEVER FINE BUT JUST BECAUSE YOU OWN AN SR AND FEEL THE NEED TO TRY AND CLAIM DOMINANCE WHEN YOU REALIZE THE RB MOTOR IS JUST AS GOOD OR BETTER THEN THATS WHERE THE PROBLEM STARTS WITH ME. THERE ARE ALOT OF MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT THE MOTORS I USE AND I'M TRYING TO CLEAR THEM UP. SO AS I ALWAYS SAY, YOUR ENGINE CHOICE SHOULD BE BASED ON YOUR GOALS BECAUSE THEY ALL HAVE A PURPOSE AND ARE GREAT FOR THEIR DESIGNED PURPOSES.

[NZO]

Originally posted by PROJECTRB240SX
THE ONLY THING I HATE IS PEOPLE LIKE NZO WHO MAKE STUPID COMMENTS ABOUT SOMETHING THEY KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT. HEY IF YOU HAVE A LEGITIMATE BEEF WITH THE MOTOR BECAUSE YOU'VE OWNED IT, WORKED ON THEM, OR WHATEVER FINE BUT JUST BECAUSE YOU OWN AN SR AND FEEL THE NEED TO TRY AND CLAIM DOMINANCE WHEN YOU REALIZE THE RB MOTOR IS JUST AS GOOD OR BETTER THEN THATS WHERE THE PROBLEM STARTS WITH ME. THERE ARE ALOT OF MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT THE MOTORS I USE AND I'M TRYING TO CLEAR THEM UP. SO AS I ALWAYS SAY, YOUR ENGINE CHOICE SHOULD BE BASED ON YOUR GOALS BECAUSE THEY ALL HAVE A PURPOSE AND ARE GREAT FOR THEIR DESIGNED PURPOSES.

You dont know me, dont even pretend to know what I'm thinking, it only makes you look stupid. If I were immature enough to argue for the SR SIMPLY because I own one, then I would have killed myself a long time ago. My information and opinions are based on the information and views I have read from people who have owned the engines and people who have worked on them, even tuners in japan who think the engines are junk.

The whole reason I posted this was to inform people of the realities and to possibly save this guy the trouble of going through with the swap before doing proper research. I am in no way hating on this guy, I wish him luck with his swap and I hope he enjoys it. I was simply attempting to sway him into making a better decision. I see now its not worth my effort, people will make mistakes, and they will pay for them.

[DRFT]

:werd:

maybe we al need hugs, dam thats gay, im just post whoring.

[Var]

didnt the RB 20 come in hella gay ass cars? im not sure. enlighten me

[revat619]

Ok, this has seriously gotten out of hand... :rolleyes:

NZO,

Although i understand your point completely, i think you could have gone about it a different way. Just because you think its pointless or the engine is junk, doesnt mean it is. If its what HE wants then let it be. It's pointless to try and "sway him into making a better decision" because although it's a "better choice" in your eyes, it may not be in his.

PROJECTRB240SX,

Although i understand what you're trying to get at, you too could have gone about it differently. SERIOUSLY. Calm down! You may think what NZO said was stupid or whatever, but regardless that doesnt give you the right to respond the way you did. You only made yourself look dumb by acting childish.

Now everybody be friends! :)

[Ghettokracker71]

:down:Why can't Nissan owners get along?:barf: If he had said he was going to do a B18C1 swap into an S13(I'm the shizzo dawg,I got that 1.8 acura shit,my shit the shit man...)then I understand why you'd be hating up on him,but come on,if you don't like it,nicely explain that by using proven facts in wich you can actually prove .If you use facts and nicely explain that 'hey Iwouldn't do that,I know over 500hp they blow wayyy to easily" or some shit...but come on! He still owns a Nissan very much like almost all of you do(240sx) and hes swapping a nissan engine into it........Come on,show some sence of community:loco:...if we(nissan owners) don't band together to kill off the honda boys who will ?

Thats whats on my mind,...flame me if you want.



:rant2:

EDIT: Go for the RB man...I don't have to tell you it will caus alot of stir,and commotion...some good,some bad....but I know you'd dust my current KA project,even when I'm done(most likely) and I love the RB series,so what if its the runt? I like that swap,and I wish you well with it.

[DRFT]

now thats said, apologize you two

[misnomer]

hehehe, wow, shut the fuck up people. Anybody remember when there WEREN'T many assholes on the forums naysaying any little idea or thought?

Food for thought:

How many zilvia.netters will ever put more than 300HP? 2%? 5%? Who cares if an engine is reliable to 600hp when you aren't going to push it past 300. That's assuming you can guage reliability anyhow. All of you have driven cars that weren't reliable at 100hp, you know it :P OMG OMG MY KA24DE ISN'T RELIABLE OVER 300HP!!! I SUCK! :-(

I don't even understand why there is an argument. He got the CLIP for $1200! Can you find an SR motorset for that price? Unless he really messes it up, that will offset the cost of installation versus a redtop -- for the same amount of power. . .

I just don't see why there are people arguing against this, you make me sad :(
Though, I suppose if there is something to piss and moan about, somebody will piss and moan about it.

[crxcess]

This post has become somthing other then what I intended it to be soooo im not going to reply to this any more. I will start a new thread again when I actually complete the swap, or have a question. Thank you for all of your input!

[mbmbmb23]

hehehe, wow, shut the fuck up people. Anybody remember when there WEREN'T many assholes on the forums naysaying any little idea or thought?

Food for thought:

How many zilvia.netters will ever put more than 300HP? 2%? 5%? Who cares if an engine is reliable to 600hp when you aren't going to push it past 300. That's assuming you can guage reliability anyhow. All of you have driven cars that weren't reliable at 100hp, you know it :P OMG OMG MY KA24DE ISN'T RELIABLE OVER 300HP!!! I SUCK! :-(

I don't even understand why there is an argument. He got the CLIP for $1200! Can you find an SR motorset for that price? Unless he really messes it up, that will offset the cost of installation versus a redtop -- for the same amount of power. . .

I just don't see why there are people arguing against this, you make me sad :(
Though, I suppose if there is something to piss and moan about, somebody will piss and moan about it.


No kidding!!.....you tell um^^^ If you people have nothing positive to say, don't go out of your way to be the troll who tries to bust this guy's bubble. How many people that dog the RB20 actually have something better in their cars?? Probably very few. If the RB25 were the same price...yeah you could criticize him for not going with that, but....the price gap is too big...even SR clips are AT LEAST $1k more. Weight issues?? Just relocate the battery and get a CF/fiberglass hood....maybe even ditch the pop-up headlights for a silvia face if you have an s13.

Crxcess....congrats on your purchase, congrats on being different. Good luck with your project.


-m

[Ghettokracker71]

Fucking finally people are realizing this guy isn't an idiot for getting an RB engine for super cheap...I love the RB series....whats not to like ? Good luck ! You know you gotta post pics with all this coming up from it !

[Jeff240sx]

I'm surprised this shit isn't locked yet. It is now.. if I can figure out how to do it on the new layout...
Good luck on the rb swap. NZO and Captain Caps Lock, do a group hug, or slug it out and go to the bar, or just whip 'em out and get the ruler. Either way, stop fighting in other people's thread. You each think the other is an asshole for his opinions, while the majority of the people on this board think you both are assholes for jacking a thread. Do it in PM's, AIM, email, letters or phone. Grow up.
-Jeff