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Brentbohn
01-17-2012, 10:44 AM
LOW BALLERS NEED NOT APPLY.

I was disgusted in the reflection of values on kbb.com when it came to all 240sx's on there... this does a few negative things for our community at large. First it sets the idea that insurance can pay out less in the event of an accident, secondly it allows non owners to low ball your cars price before you even put it up for sale. Lastly it forces would be sellers to accept even less for their hard work.

I propose that we as a community go to kbb.com and click on contact. Submit a complaint on actual private party value of your car and what it should be...

I have already done this multiple times and have got generic responses....

TeamFRAT
01-17-2012, 10:46 AM
People still use KBB as a standard of haggling?


ha...

godrifttoday
01-17-2012, 10:47 AM
Waste of time. Should have bought a Porsche, if you get in an accident hire a lawyer. Simple

Brentbohn
01-17-2012, 10:57 AM
Well this did happen to the 3000gt/stealth communities in the past 4 years they saw more than a 50% value drop from what I have heard.... Things do decline in value but it would seem that our pride has taken an unjust hit in the past few years... kouki's for 3k and s13's for less than 1k seems really terrible unless your the one purchasing it... lets try

DrftKingIII
01-17-2012, 11:01 AM
My late 90's nissan is worth a fortune.

shiftdrift
01-17-2012, 11:03 AM
I only paid 3k for my Kouki? So......stop crying.

enkei2k
01-17-2012, 11:06 AM
so where's this almighty 'petition' you speak of?

also, how much do you expect 14+ year old cars to cost? The S-chassis is no high end car like mentioned earlier.

KBB for a 98 Supra TT in 'excellent' condition from a private seller is less than $20K. Find me one that's in excellent condition selling for that price.

KBB doesn't give a shit about supply and demand and other variable factors like drift tax.

The older the car, the lower the KBB value. I think it's what they call...depreciation?

shoguner
01-17-2012, 11:06 AM
beauty is in the eye of the beholder.


Someone might think a 240 is worth its weight in gold. but all in all its just a 20 year old pile of metal.

chwks13
01-17-2012, 11:06 AM
Wahh wahh. Buy a vehicle actually worth something. The reality of it is s13's are 20 years old and not exactly rare.

raz0rbladez909
01-17-2012, 11:07 AM
If it isn't a collectors car it's not going to appreciate, if you were looking for an investment you should've bought something older and less build numbers on them. 240's are cheap for a reason, they aren't very spectacular to anyone but the people interested in them.

Brentbohn
01-17-2012, 11:08 AM
If it isn't a collectors car it's not going to appreciate, if you were looking for an investment you should've bought something older and less build numbers on them. 240's are cheap for a reason, they aren't very spectacular to anyone but the people interested in them.

my 98 kouki is one of 1281 total produced.... that is rare

kalypso123
01-17-2012, 11:10 AM
honestly, I wouldnt stress over it.

I don't plan on getting into accidents, I drive like a sane human being.

Audios
01-17-2012, 11:25 AM
My late 90's nissan is worth a fortune.

lol QFT, they are priced accordingly they wouldn't be so rare if so many idiots didn't drift them into walls. Its an old ass nissan and nothing more.

wonpoo
01-17-2012, 11:31 AM
only reason people complain about the value is because they wanna resell it at ta higher value then what is established as normal purchasing price after the car is driven off the lot after it was made 20 years ago.

drift freaq
01-17-2012, 11:36 AM
KBB is off on lots of cars. its not just 240's. Seriously the only thing KBB has ever been good for is a bargaining chip on purchasing. In that sense you don't want it to rise.

Oh and most insurance companies do things based on ACV these days. Which is a combination of what the cars sell for real market value and cost of actual replacement parts to fix.

I collected $2700 out of my previous 93.5 G20 when it got wrecked and the blue book on those things is in the trash can.

raz0rbladez909
01-17-2012, 11:37 AM
my 98 kouki is one of 1281 total produced.... that is rare

It was still sold at the same pricepoint as every other year of 240sx, it isn't any better than any other year.

only reason people complain about the value is because they wanna resell it at ta higher value then what is established as normal purchasing price after the car is driven off the lot after it was made 20 years ago.

TRUTH

wonpoo
01-17-2012, 11:40 AM
i want prices to stay low i seen automatic S14's try to sell for $8000 local that is bullshit!

deathrace2000
01-17-2012, 11:40 AM
Value systems are foolish. An automobile is worth only what someone will pay for it.

Brentbohn
01-17-2012, 12:07 PM
you all are missing the point... kbb is potentially going to cost you money down the road.... for some retarded reason all dealerships and potential buyers look at that site to gauge their offers

RandallSharp
01-17-2012, 12:14 PM
What if we just all love our cars so much that we're not considering selling them?

:mepoke:

xoxide
01-17-2012, 12:21 PM
Actually most dealerships use nada.com now. Kbb is outdated.

fckillerbee
01-17-2012, 12:25 PM
KBB doesn't buy cars. Nor do they sell cars. They are a reference guide. Almost like looking on ebay to find out how much your car is worth.

awesome thread.








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BOROSUN
01-17-2012, 01:39 PM
Just wait 40 yrs then sell it. It better be worth more than a ft86 or I'm gonna be pissed.

andrew600
01-17-2012, 02:33 PM
best thread ive seen in days. i vote my car is worth 4 cows, 2 goats, 5 chickens, and a toothless whore for hummers whenever i want.

if this option is on there i will sign the pet.

DreamN
01-17-2012, 02:49 PM
lol this thread brings a smile to my face.

tukn9s
01-17-2012, 02:51 PM
Blame the drifters

jefferz
01-17-2012, 02:57 PM
kbb list like rust bucket 240's for like a 500 bucks good condition maybe a 1k

DRIFT tax raised the price on dirty s13's

ive never paid more then 500 for an s13.

i've had more then a few

people who want 3k for a s13 there on crack

ShakotanGazelle
01-17-2012, 03:05 PM
LOW BALLERS NEED NOT APPLY.



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badbob2121
01-17-2012, 03:09 PM
My s13 KBB's at $1480

any takers? lol

koenig
01-17-2012, 06:16 PM
Yeah, the price of bone stock s13's is out of control. I got mine earlier this year with lots of upgrades for $2200, but I was looking for a long time before I found it. These fools who are putting up their stock s13's with quarter panel damage and rust for 3500 are not realizing that the cost gets driven up by upgrades. coils, 5 lug, lsd's, motor swaps, cages, etc.

'tis ridiculous.

Brentbohn
01-17-2012, 06:20 PM
well think my kouki should be worth about 7k its still a ka non turbo but has 3k worth of upgrades on it... kbb thinks its 4500 which is insulting... and low ballers will offer exactly that 4500

Audios
01-17-2012, 06:29 PM
well think my kouki should be worth about 7k its still a ka non turbo but has 3k worth of upgrades on it... kbb thinks its 4500 which is insulting... and low ballers will offer exactly that 4500

Put it stock, sell it for 4500 and sell the parts separately. You can't factor aftermarket parts with kbb so why complain about it. You said "I think its worth 7K" its your car and to you it might be worth X amount but at the end of the day it is what it is.

simmode1
01-17-2012, 06:39 PM
My s13 KBB's at $1480

any takers? lol
$1480 for your SR S13? Yes. Gimme. I'll come get it....haha

well think my kouki should be worth about 7k its still a ka non turbo but has 3k worth of upgrades on it... kbb thinks its 4500 which is insulting... and low ballers will offer exactly that 4500
I swear to god, Kouki guys are annoying thinking their cars are so damned valuable. The chassis is ancient and it makes like 120hp to the wheels stock. $7000 could buy a WRX, IS300, E46 330I or almost a 350Z. Get over yourself. Yeah, it's got potential... but so does a fucking Miata.

I think the values are right on target as they are not considering BS like drift tax or aftermarket tuner value. The whole reason 240's got so popular in the first place was because they were cheap as shit. Buyers should be glad the hype is dying down and returning to normal. Ppl are getting smarter now. They know $7000 could buy them a much better car.

lazysk8er2
01-17-2012, 06:42 PM
hahaha your best bet would be to begin a new factor of measure and call it the Modified Car Blue Book or MCBB :s101:

driftsucky
01-17-2012, 07:13 PM
http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/12/13022/13335357.jpg


So, where we being serious? I mean, the thought that any intelligible person would use KBB for anything is laughable. And the fact that everyone thinks that 240's are some magical gold pot is also laughable...but totally understandable since 240's are awesome.

chiboy002
01-17-2012, 07:26 PM
stop crying over insurance
theyre only there to take your money, and if you really cared about insurance then you would include all the parts you invested into it, which would then raise the value of your rates, which would then lead to you bitching about high insurance because the car's value is greater

BOROSUN
01-17-2012, 11:07 PM
Jay Leno Predicts Future Collectible and Classic Cars - Popular Mechanics (http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/jay-leno/4312877)

pot of gold maybe. ionno about magic.

TeamFRAT
01-17-2012, 11:32 PM
well think my kouki should be worth about 7k its still a ka non turbo but has 3k worth of upgrades on it... kbb thinks its 4500 which is insulting... and low ballers will offer exactly that 4500



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GhostlyCoupe
01-17-2012, 11:37 PM
If we want to make a good case for this, we first need to burn all the piles of **** with mismatched body panels, stripped interiors, and 4 different wheels.

(No, I'm not talking about race cars, I'm talking about cars that are just plain bad and have never seen a track day)

fliprayzin240sx
01-17-2012, 11:42 PM
KBB isnt the problem...the issue is people thinking they throw in Ebay parts in their car and automatically think their $3k POS is worth $6k if that.

If you cant afford the sellers asking price then dont buy it. If nobody buys it, the seller will drop their price. Insurance wise, who the fuck gets full coverage on 15-20 yr old car? Save your damn premium money and use the money to get another chassis or attempt to fix it if you wreck. Dont depend on insurance to cover your ass...we all know insurance is fucking rip off.

If I wrecked my S14, I'd be pissed but its just a damn car. Its not the fucking cure for AIDS!!! I'll look for another S14 within my price range and throw in the parts Ill get off my old chassis.

davinci
01-18-2012, 02:37 AM
hahah kbb prices stuff for an avg STOCK car.. the average person buying a car does not care about drift tax or aftermarket tax. Your car is not a collector item. I bought my s13 coupe in great shape for 600. its a 20 year old car aka the civic of the nissan world.. its not an impalla or 69 camaro..

IF you wanna sell your car then put it back to stock and part out the aftermarket. ANYTIME you put aftermarket parts on your car you are risking losing money when you sell it. every car depreciates unless its a classic or you find that one person who wants to pay what you think its worth...

HyperTek
01-18-2012, 02:41 AM
wait till they see drift missiles and the majority on craigslists that are all busted up from failed interests in drifting lol.

There is a market for a modified car and whatever value you want for it, it comes down to how much the person will pay for it . Make up your own price, if you don't want to sell it for cheap, than don't sell it.. someone else will think its worth what your asking and give it to you eventually. hell my rx7 , prior owners where wanting $9k for it in 07 . I traded a car of similar value for it.

Remember to keep it tastefully modded, no janky shit..

s-cargo
01-18-2012, 05:08 AM
Personally dont mind the fact there getting cheaper, because i buy them cheap(its also nice to only pay 10-20$ for exise tax lol).
People need to realize that there is a price cap on anything they "invest" in. if you buy a clean stock 240 for 2 grand and dump 10 into it on aero and paint wheels etc, its not worth 12 grand.
BUT if you take that same 2,000$ car and put say 3-4,000 worth of meaningfull mods (brakes, suspension,engine performance, maintinence etc) you can get a few years of fun out of it and sell it for close to what you have invested. just dont over do it and you wont be dissapointed.

Bunnywith240
01-18-2012, 06:03 AM
This thread is unnecessary.

Highway Riding
01-18-2012, 06:08 AM
Dealers use Galves!

Brentbohn
01-18-2012, 07:19 AM
If we want to make a good case for this, we first need to burn all the piles of **** with mismatched body panels, stripped interiors, and 4 different wheels.

(No, I'm not talking about race cars, I'm talking about cars that are just plain bad and have never seen a track day)


Exactly... lets crush all like this.... oh wait there goes the s13's

OBEEWON
01-18-2012, 07:21 AM
Haha...

It's funny cuz its true.

HyperTek
01-18-2012, 12:27 PM
i think alot of people still appreciate these cars even before the drift craze blew up and people see them as throw away cars/drift missiles

SimpleS14
01-18-2012, 12:39 PM
I believe with the cheap prices we see for the G35 and 350Z, it's very laughable to see a 240SX going for +$7K.

my 98 kouki is one of 1281 total produced.... that is rare

True, but not a collector's item. You won't see someone overseas placing a bid for one 15 years from now. Just sayin..

epson1
01-18-2012, 01:34 PM
so where's this almighty 'petition' you speak of?

also, how much do you expect 14+ year old cars to cost? The S-chassis is no high end car like mentioned earlier.

KBB for a 98 Supra TT in 'excellent' condition from a private seller is less than $20K. Find me one that's in excellent condition selling for that price.

KBB doesn't give a shit about supply and demand and other variable factors like drift tax.

The older the car, the lower the KBB value. I think it's what they call...depreciation?

You're fucking stupid. 98 supra booking for less than 20? they book for 39,000 in good condition with 55,000 miles. that sounds about right. go KBB it right now and come back and complain. Waaaa my 1990 nissan hatchback books for 1500$. yeah that sounds about right. KBB isn't going to take into account for mad tyte JDM Aero or -52 offset wheels you moron.

DustinSixOh9
01-19-2012, 08:13 AM
Wait you mean to tell me my 20 year old economy car isn't worth $10,000?! Bummer.

Chronicle
01-19-2012, 08:43 AM
Wait you mean to tell me my 20 year old economy car isn't worth $10,000?! Bummer.

Exactly. The biggest problem with someone looking to enter the S-chassis world is how SO many people put unnecessary "drift taxes" on cars. The first 240 I looked at was an S13. It was a 91 coupe 5 speed with 120k miles. It suffered shit tons of dents and paint scratches. The clutch, brakes and starter didn't work, and they wanted $1500 for it. The second car I looked at (and bought) was a 96 Zenki 5 speed. 261k, (original engine and trans) Clean interior, the only problems were all four tires were bald, the rear shocks were completely blown, and the paint was fading. $1450 and I drove it home 120 miles away.

Moral of the story? Going sideways doesn't cost much to do, and cars capable of doing so don't deserve a premium.

driftsilvias13
01-19-2012, 08:45 AM
OP you are a fucking idiot. This thread is pointless. You just want the kbb to be high so when you sell your car you can much more than it is really worth. KBB doesnt set the price so stop crying.

chriskilla2
01-19-2012, 11:44 PM
no need to call anyone names geez. i looked up some old for sale thread. apparently to some ppl have been buying kouki's for 4 grand since 2002

KwKouki
01-20-2012, 12:43 AM
im all for KBB nerfing the value.

- keeps stupid peopole who know nothing about them away from a ever dwindling chassis
- if you wreck at event or track you fucked yourself. theres a reason why both the track and insurance make people sign waivers for this.

usdm180sx
01-20-2012, 12:57 AM
You're complaining about the price of a 14-23 year old car? Prices are bound to bottom out at that age.

slowvia
01-20-2012, 01:03 AM
I don't plan on getting into accidents, I drive like a sane human being.

No one plans on getting in an accident. I drive like a sane human being, but that didnt help last month when I got rear ended at a dead stop.

atom
01-20-2012, 01:05 AM
Someone buy up all the old Z33's before the drift tax hits them any harder than it already has. Easy money!!!!

ashtonroche
01-20-2012, 02:01 AM
Well this did happen to the 3000gt/stealth communities in the past 4 years they saw more than a 50% value drop from what I have heard.... Things do decline in value but it would seem that our pride has taken an unjust hit in the past few years... kouki's for 3k and s13's for less than 1k seems really terrible unless your the one purchasing it... lets try

The price of a 3000gt/stealth should be low on those pieces of shit. The fact that most owners dont take care of them and do the maintenance is asking for disaster. I dont know how many times at the drag strip did i see 3000gt vr4's and stealths snap their timing belts and throw pieces of the bottom end out the block. I know several people that bought them and didnt last a couple months before either breaking the timing belt or something else happening that basicly rendered the car useless. Biggest pieces of junk cars out there hands down. Id rather own a geo metro.

Yeah, the price of bone stock s13's is out of control. I got mine earlier this year with lots of upgrades for $2200, but I was looking for a long time before I found it. These fools who are putting up their stock s13's with quarter panel damage and rust for 3500 are not realizing that the cost gets driven up by upgrades. coils, 5 lug, lsd's, motor swaps, cages, etc.

'tis ridiculous.

Exactly, I dont know how they get off thinking their 240's are worth soo much just because of popularity. So what if its one of the most popular drift cars out there. Who cares. Doesnt make your car worth any more.

The price of KBB should stay where its at. Plain and simple. A car is worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

Like even people on here trying to sell stock SR swapped s13's with just the bar essentials to have it run right and be safe for 5&6k. Definitely not worth it being you can find a clean s13 chassis for 1k, a complete s13 SR swap can be had for 1500-2000 easy, throw in about 500 bucks for essentials like fmic, bov, and walbro fuel pump and a boost gauge and your all set. So now all of a sudden a car they have 3500 into is now worth 5 or 6k. I dont think so. Youll never get back what you put into a car when it comes to modifying. Plain and simple. Very very rarely.

This petition is stupid. A stock clean S13 with 100-200k miles should be no more than 2000-2500 bucks at most. A junky one needing paint, body work, or rusted 1500 or less which im sure is what kbb accuratly describes the value as.

Your car because its some drift machine doesnt mean its worth any more if someone t-bones you and totals it out. Buy the car back, take what they give you for value, buy another chassis and start over or sell off the parts.

I have coming up around 20k into my B13 se-r but i can tell you if someone wrecked into me and totaled it I would not expect insurance to pay me 20k dollars. lol.

This whole thing is a waste of time.

SupaDoopa
01-20-2012, 04:51 AM
The fact some of you are getting butthurt makes this thread pretty funny. The twist in it all is the kid thought he scored by buying the car for double it's value and now trying to turn it around and realized he got fucked.

Sorry, bro. Depreciation is a percentage per year. After 15 years, the car is worth nearly nothing unless it's a collectors item. The fact you own one shows the fact that it most likely is not.

4DOOR_LIFE
01-20-2012, 05:20 AM
Some douche who is also a member on here, attempted to pull the kbb card on my 89 hatch. So he could get money on top of the pos he was considering trading.

onehundredoctane
01-20-2012, 06:06 AM
My God why hasn't a mod locked this?

240's are like cockroaches (S13's at least), there everywhere, plus they weren't low production numbers. This is why Kouki S14's are priced stupidly, not a lot made, and the fanboi's are all over them.

Banana_Cute
01-20-2012, 08:00 AM
Kelly Blue Book dont give a fuck what this car can do, or why is it so hot to get.

Its a fucking 240sx. relax. People will try and sell these cars to make a quick buck to buyers who are willing to.


I just saw a SALVAGED TITLE ZENKI. for $5500.. AUTOMATIC. fuuuccck. Im sure the owner got it for half that price. and probably used the car as a daily.

Bushido
01-20-2012, 09:47 AM
If you wanna know what will happen to the value of the s chassis cars all you gotta do is look at the price trends of s30s. A few years ago you could get a very nice example for 2-3 grand, fastforward to now and the price has risen to 6-7.

The 240sx will become a collector classic eventually and when it does, the value will rise

ashtonroche
01-20-2012, 09:58 AM
Maybe 10 years from now when all the shitty ones that are wrecked from the Dorifto Wanna Bee's and the rusted out ones are in the junk yard.

When finding a clean one becomes rare, then you will see the price go up. Damaged, rusted, or poorly maintained ones will not be affected.

RedSiBaron
01-20-2012, 11:06 AM
Kbb said my car is worth 4k, I wouldn't pay that for my heap of scrap metal...

Im not paying more on insurance because you think your 240 is worth the drifter tax that dumb kids put on them.

landins13
01-20-2012, 11:33 AM
there are far too many $1500 s13's out there with no motor or interior. I bought my s13 pre-drift tax for 600 bucks with less than 100k on the clock a running dohc ka and no rust or body damage. yeah its got a brown interior but there were no cracks or gashes in anything.


its all relative. people a stupid and as long as people are stupid they will continue to pay stupidly high prices for 240's.

as a sell why the hell would you price your car at the fair market value when you know some idiot will pay you 2-3k more for it.

KBB values guy
01-20-2012, 05:33 PM
Hi,

Thank you for providing feedback concerning the Nissan 240SX values. We appreciate the level of engagement and knowledge from all the vehicle enthusiasts on this forum.

Kelley Blue Book does not provide a value add for vehicles that have aftermarket modifications. For those vehicles, we would suggest having a private appraisal. We continuously monitor the used-vehicle market for all vehicles, including the Nissan 240SX. Our valuation methods include analyzing data from auctions, dealers and seller’s listing prices. This data passes through several statistical models to produce a Kelley Blue Book Value on a weekly basis.

However, thanks to your input we are taking another look at the Nissan 240SX values and will make adjustments if necessary. If you have any other questions or follow-up comments, you can reach me via email at [email protected]

Thanks again!

AJ
Manager, Vehicle Valuation
Kelley Blue Book

fckillerbee
01-20-2012, 05:43 PM
what the fuck.......

240drifter1
01-20-2012, 05:48 PM
Bwahahahahhaha! Winning!

Taniguchi_Is_#1
01-20-2012, 05:52 PM
Hi,

Thank you for providing feedback concerning the Nissan 240SX values. We appreciate the level of engagement and knowledge from all the vehicle enthusiasts on this forum.

Kelley Blue Book does not provide a value add for vehicles that have aftermarket modifications. For those vehicles, we would suggest having a private appraisal. We continuously monitor the used-vehicle market for all vehicles, including the Nissan 240SX. Our valuation methods include analyzing data from auctions, dealers and seller’s listing prices. This data passes through several statistical models to produce a Kelley Blue Book Value on a weekly basis.

However, thanks to your input we are taking another look at the Nissan 240SX values and will make adjustments if necessary. If you have any other questions or follow-up comments, you can reach me via email at [email protected]

Thanks again!

AJ
Manager, Vehicle Valuation
Kelley Blue Book

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_AI-GWGu8YmE/SmIGDmFN6ZI/AAAAAAAAFIA/x8y6lWA-AX4/s320/Not_Sure_if_Want_9_35.jpg

MadScientist
01-20-2012, 06:11 PM
hahahahaha...

You guys keep destroying them, part out, drifting, doing shitty mods, and changing owners hands like a petaphile in a playground.

After 20 years the value is based on the what the owner is willing to take or a buyer is willing to pay. If it doesn't sell, hold on to it... its just like stocks, just because the market is down doesn't mean you have to sell!!

I use to flip cars in high school... bought a '85 XJS w/ k5 miles on it for $7500, still had the factory plastic on the back seat... sold it a year later to my friends uncle for $17,500.

Zilvia member Full Lock sold his S14 Kouki with RB26 for $45K... $45,000... its all about the seller and the buyer.

I will never.. yes, Never, sell my S14 Kouki only because everytime I see one parted out or Drift Destroyed, just means it became that much closer to being one of the last ones!!

enjoy

Wheelchair
01-20-2012, 08:51 PM
what a useless thread...

KBB isn't nasdaq and it certainly has no interest in lowered values.

You can't just figure in the supply and demand... there is also a thing called an OPPORTUNITY COST.

KBB does not calculate this. the used car MARKET does. Petitions will be willingly and knowingly be ignored.

Tantwoforty
01-20-2012, 09:35 PM
i got mine for $1000 original owner, 5 speed, clean title, SE, 210k came with factory manual and jack, smelled like old Mexican man. the suspension sagged on the driver side from his tubby butt dailying it for years, came with like 4 Spanish cd's

These are only worth what people will pay for them, whats it worth to YOU? normal people just see a shitty old nissan.

RB Me
01-21-2012, 12:00 AM
9k firm, no lowballs even though im way over priced, i dont need to sell etc. saving for a house blah blah

2 months later, f all you haters

4 months huge price drop 8900 firm

2 years later. still for sale.

ixfxi
01-21-2012, 01:33 AM
my 98 kouki is one of 1281 total produced.... that is rare

its rare not because its special. its rare because nissan was going through its financial crisis due to new 97 crash standards and due to the yen losing value (at that time). besides aesthetics, there is nothing that makes a 97-98 more valuable than a 95-96. in fact, most prefer the 95-96 due to them being obd-1


Hi,

Thank you for providing feedback concerning the Nissan 240SX values. We appreciate the level of engagement and knowledge from all the vehicle enthusiasts on this forum.
Thanks again!

AJ
Manager, Vehicle Valuation
Kelley Blue Book

engagement and knowledge? you sure you're talking about the folks on zilvia?

SupaDoopa
01-21-2012, 05:26 AM
You bought a 240SX with the intent it'd hold it's resale value? You fucked up.

Brentbohn
01-23-2012, 06:53 PM
WINNING! left a voice mail for AJ today... see what he has to say for our friends at KBB... this guy found this forum on his own after I emailed him with request to review the pricing on 240's

S141S
01-23-2012, 11:48 PM
so where's this almighty 'petition' you speak of?

also, how much do you expect 14+ year old cars to cost? The S-chassis is no high end car like mentioned earlier.

KBB for a 98 Supra TT in 'excellent' condition from a private seller is less than $20K. Find me one that's in excellent condition selling for that price.

KBB doesn't give a shit about supply and demand and other variable factors like drift tax.

The older the car, the lower the KBB value. I think it's what they call...depreciation?

:werd: kbb obv doesn't give a fuck about mods either.

PeaceOnesxWai
01-24-2012, 01:29 AM
Lol @ this post

KBB determines the price and condition of stock cars, 95% of the cars for sale here on Zilvia have been modified, drifted, crashed, non-op etc.. I think KBB is very fair on the price they listed 240s at for what owners do to them. I just think half the owners selling their 240s are idiots, over pricing their car with used parts and o-so-much time with labor. Booho, 500 hours on fixing it, it still looks like sh!t

I bet OP registers his car under $1k to the DMV anyways.. another reason why KBB "under" values 240s

PeaceOnesxWai
01-24-2012, 01:32 AM
9k firm, no lowballs even though im way over priced, i dont need to sell etc. saving for a house blah blah

2 months later, f all you haters

4 months huge price drop 8900 firm

2 years later. still for sale.

lolol thats 90% of all S14 sellers

zerodameaon
01-29-2012, 11:33 PM
If you want kbb to reflect junk like this
1990 Nissan 240sx, Cleanest on Craigslist. (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto/2820212648.html)
1993 240sx (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/2821380480.html)
1991 Nissan 240sx 5spd "CLEAN TITLE" (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/2821030759.html)
1993 Nissan 240sx fastback 5 speed 149k All Original & STOCK! (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/2824373208.html)

Then you are even more of a idiot then the people posting these cars. These cars are so artificially inflated anyways its stupid.

Paint209
01-30-2012, 12:36 AM
QQ i got ripped off for my kouki then.

lude4life13
01-30-2012, 12:55 AM
its rare not because its special. its rare because nissan was going through its financial crisis due to new 97 crash standards and due to the yen losing value (at that time). besides aesthetics, there is nothing that makes a 97-98 more valuable than a 95-96. in fact, most prefer the 95-96 due to them being obd-1


Really? I didnt know most people preferred zenki's over kouki's. I guess I should sell mine and get one for half the price in that case..

atom
01-30-2012, 01:35 AM
I bet a well kept bone stock Deep Fuschia Kouki would be worth a ton of money 15 years from now.

fliprayzin240sx
01-30-2012, 11:31 AM
240sx got the drift tax but the Supra guys got the Fast and Furious Tax. I still cant believe how much those cars go for after that stupid movie. Pre-2000, you can find a 93 MKIV TT Supra with high mileage (180k) for less than $12k.

davinci
01-30-2012, 01:02 PM
bwahhah the "civic" of the nissan world will be a collector car??? dont think so

badbob2121
01-30-2012, 01:16 PM
Really? I didnt know most people preferred zenki's over kouki's. I guess I should sell mine and get one for half the price in that case..

Hes right. You may not know this (being from CA) But in other states, OBD1 vehicles do not require emission testing, only a simple safety inspection.

If i wanted a s14, i would buy a zenki over kouki without question...

The Dude
01-30-2012, 01:23 PM
Why is this a thread? The cars are only worth what people are willing to pay for them. Instead of petitioning kbb, maybe you should petition the retards who are paying 5k for an S13.

zerodameaon
01-30-2012, 02:36 PM
Why is this a thread? The cars are only worth what people are willing to pay for them. Instead of petitioning kbb, maybe you should petition the retards who are paying 5k for an S13.
New sig quote right there.

lude4life13
01-30-2012, 02:55 PM
Hes right. You may not know this (being from CA) But in other states, OBD1 vehicles do not require emission testing, only a simple safety inspection.

If i wanted a s14, i would buy a zenki over kouki without question...

You may not know this (not being from CA), but it cost about $150 every two years to have any vehicle pass emmissions with any motor and any mods if you know anyone in the smog business. Go to one local car meet and you will find someone who can do that for you...

240drifter1
01-30-2012, 03:02 PM
I think paying anywhere up to 9k, for an UNMOLESTED, CLEAN, <130K, kouki, is resonable. There getting about impossible to find. I search for about 2 months to get this last one I got. Idk, maybe its just me.

h2v7
01-30-2012, 03:05 PM
when car insurance pays out they check the actual market what these cars are for sale and what they are being bought and sold at.

i got $2,800 for my last 1989 hatchback with 300,000 miles after someone rearended me

badbob2121
01-31-2012, 06:46 AM
You may not know this (not being from CA), but it cost about $150 every two years to have any vehicle pass emmissions with any motor and any mods if you know anyone in the smog business. Go to one local car meet and you will find someone who can do that for you...

I lived in Southern CA for over 2 years. I know its possible, but the difference is you obtain yours illegally and i obtain mine 100% legally... and mine costs $12 every 2 years....:doh:

landins13
01-31-2012, 07:42 AM
I think paying anywhere up to 9k, for an UNMOLESTED, CLEAN, <130K, kouki, is resonable. There getting about impossible to find. I search for about 2 months to get this last one I got. Idk, maybe its just me.


one 15 miles from me on craigslist for 1200.

prices are all relative. if someone is willing to pay 9k for a car thats work 5k of course the seller is going to post it up for 9k. at the end of the day though dont be offended when someone offers what the car is actually worth.


just because you put coilovers and a isis exhaust on your s13 does not mean its somehow worth 5k now. Im getting kinda tired of seeing s13's for sale with no motor,trans or interior for 2k.

ILoveMyRHS13
01-31-2012, 07:46 AM
Hahaha really?

Newsflash! 240s aren't actually worth shit. They aren't a collectors car, and they aren't race cars. Why would they be worth anything? It's just idiots that pay too much for them that think they are worth that much.

nomoremk2
01-31-2012, 08:06 AM
Kouki owners have got to be the worst part of the 240 community. Up to 9k? Are you serious? If I have 9k to spend, I'm walking into a dealership not your yard to buy your shitty old Nissan. My friend just sold his hatch
With over fenders, brand new windshield, some suspension arms and other shit to someone for $350. Maybe these things are worth more out west but
The prices I see on here are out of control. I paid 900 bucks for my coupe and feel like I got ripped off haha.

240drifter1
01-31-2012, 11:01 AM
I mean there are avid 240 owners who actually want a nice CLEAN 240 not to fuck it up and thats not a peice of shit to dd, you cant say kouki owners are the worst, its the whole crowd. Unmolested clean koukis should go for more and thats the fact, yeah its a 240, its nothing really special, but the higher prices some what keep the idiots and ricers away from them.

And I would love to see that kouki for 1200, I bet its auto, dented to hell, faded paint, etc. Everyones got opinions so really this is a useless ass thread. It all comes down to what people are willing to pay, and I know theres people out there like that.

240drifter1
01-31-2012, 11:08 AM
To add to it, ive sold a ton of kouki's, a white auto bone stock with 150k for 7k.
I had my last kouki posted for 9k, with a bone stock ka, jdm aero, and some pbm coils and thats it. Hell, idk I guess im an idiot.

badbob2121
01-31-2012, 11:16 AM
Hell, idk I guess I'm an idiot.

Well atleast you said it...

xBandiTx
01-31-2012, 11:24 AM
so would i be a low balling idiot for looking at paying around $750 for a 91 s13 hatch with cracked dash, idle air control valve problems, 190,xxx miles, n its not smogged or registerd?

240drifter1
01-31-2012, 11:31 AM
No. S13's are peices of shit. :rofl:

nomoremk2
01-31-2012, 11:32 AM
This reminds me of vortex when I used to have my Vw. "Dude my 92' Jetta is worth like atleast 6k." "Tuners" are retarded. The 240 enjoys so much popularity because peoe like CHEAP rear wheel drive fun. Bottom line is, KBB is on the money with those prices. The rest of the world sees an old car with limited creature comforts that requires maintenance. The only people who value these cars above KBB are people looking to modify them.

zerodameaon
02-02-2012, 01:22 AM
1994 240sx parting out -convertable (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/pts/2830533379.html)
Dude should raise these prices. Cars worth at least 5k. That diff alone is worth about 700 dude doesn't know what he is missing.

I paid 800 bucks for my vert in slightly better condition then that.

Walperstyle
02-02-2012, 01:29 AM
LOL at thread.

A car is worth as much as someone is willing to pay. Not what KBB says, not what anyone on zilvia says.
i have a huge issue with many of you aholes telling people what you think shits worth, its not up to you, pm offer, or stay the f out of the thread...but thats a different story

If your state/province has issues with insurance adjusters, then make sure you keep your receipts, or let an Apraiser know about mods you have done to your car.

You will end up paying more for insurance, but then you don't have to worry.

MrSanchez925
05-09-2012, 07:14 PM
Old thread bump..

I've been looking for a 240 for the last month and all I can seem to find lately is either overly priced half assed projects or overly priced dented salvage title ones..

I'm starting to lose faith in finding a clean-ish 240 at a decent price -_-

RyanS13
05-09-2012, 08:47 PM
Old thread bump..

I've been looking for a 240 for the last month and all I can seem to find lately is either overly priced half assed projects or overly priced dented salvage title ones..

I'm starting to lose faith in finding a clean-ish 240 at a decent price -_-

So you knowingly bumped the old thread to contribute absolutely nothing.

slydin240sx
05-09-2012, 08:49 PM
So you knowingly bumped the old thread to contribute absolutely nothing.

LOL at least it wasn't a 3 year old one.

S-Nation S13
05-09-2012, 09:13 PM
Blah blah blah...kbb is no longer used as a resource for our cars..

MrSanchez925
05-09-2012, 09:15 PM
So you knowingly bumped the old thread to contribute absolutely nothing.

Pretty much! haha.

:wavey:

PowerDrifter
05-09-2012, 11:39 PM
To add to it, ive sold a ton of kouki's, a white auto bone stock with 150k for 7k.
I had my last kouki posted for 9k, with a bone stock ka, jdm aero, and some pbm coils and thats it. Hell, idk I guess im an idiot.

9k for a 15yr old car? not to mention a stock motor? :picardfp:

umm yea go on craiglist and see what you can get for that much nowadays :fawk2:

people that think these cars are under priced are dumb. Most of them are high mileage, dented, or wiring is hacked to sh!t. If its clean who cares. Its an old car and will get no respect for driving an old car like other classics. its just a 240, get over it fanboy!

h2v7
05-10-2012, 11:37 AM
they paid me 2700 for my 89 hatch with 300k on it last december

chriskilla2
05-10-2012, 01:22 PM
. Most of them are high mileage, dented, or wiring is hacked to sh!t. If its clean who cares. fanboy!

actually alot of people care.. dumbest shit i ever heard

davinci
05-10-2012, 02:22 PM
this phenomenon has actually crossed over to hondas to. its the "drift tx" but with hondas the "jdm" tax. its stupid. the same 1988 ef hatchback (square one) that went for 2500 back in the day is still goind for 2500 on craiglist for a not so great shape one. just cause it has ngk spark plugs and a ebay fart can... its crazy. over 20 years old and people still trying to sell it cause its fast and furious lol

davinci
05-10-2012, 02:23 PM
for record i bought my coupe for 600. its in very decent shape, no rust, and i talked the guy down from 800. i feel i got my moneys worth, considering all the stuff im going to change on the car. it does have massive rust in the spare tire well but thats all being cut out anyways.

stylepointzz
05-10-2012, 02:46 PM
This thread is a fucking joke. The "value" of these cars has been so inflated over phanboy BS it's ridiculous. Just like civic's and jeep.

Fuck you whoever started this thread

omgshawn
05-10-2012, 03:02 PM
for record i bought my coupe for 600. its in very decent shape, no rust, and i talked the guy down from 800. i feel i got my moneys worth, considering all the stuff im going to change on the car. it does have massive rust in the spare tire well but thats all being cut out anyways.

:confused:

Rust doesn't stick to one spot, if it's somewhere on the car, I'd bet money it's elsewhere as well. Not to mention if it's 'massive rust' in one spot.


As far as this thread...I paid $600 for my running 90 hatch with dual cam swap, corbeau seat, HKS Hi power exhaust, 180sx lsd with 5 bolt axles and xxr 527's. They're worth what someone is willing to pay for them. For me, that's not too much. Granted I would spend say 2500-3000 for a MINT stock s13 with less then 70k on it. I laugh at the people who think their haggard spray painted 200K mile missiles are worth 2k+

davinci
05-10-2012, 07:00 PM
Understood, But I been over the whole car including engine bay during my swap. Only rust in tire well due to leaking tails lights.

I meant no rust except for that spot and that didn't matter since I'm dropping in fuel cell

lunzee
05-10-2012, 09:32 PM
As much as I wish the value would go up its not happening, and it shouldnt

K_V3T
05-12-2012, 03:56 PM
While I agree with you, it doesn't bother me enough to go complain to the website endlessly. Throw together some kind of organized professional letter that you can get signatures for or something if you want to make a difference. Power comes with numbers

russian
05-15-2012, 10:49 AM
LOL at the idea and LOL at even thinking about this. 240sx is not a magic car. its a old as fuck budget sports car that is long forgotten by general consumer.

jumpman2334
05-15-2012, 02:09 PM
this thread has got to be a joke....

CleanAndLegit
05-15-2012, 02:48 PM
fuck the hype, people swear their cars are worth a billion dollars, stfu seriously its 20+ years old god people who cry about shit like that are the ones selling they're pos s13s s14s for 7k selling silvia jdm shit for 500+ dollars

godrifttoday
05-15-2012, 03:07 PM
Lol if u need to used kbb as a selling point, then your car without a doubt is more than likely not worth it

180sxmaniac
04-07-2013, 11:19 PM
I think paying anywhere up to 9k, for an UNMOLESTED, CLEAN, <130K, kouki, is resonable. There getting about impossible to find. I search for about 2 months to get this last one I got. Idk, maybe its just me.

I bought my 1st 240sx in 2010 a 1990 white hatch manual windows completely bone stock factory paint no scratches or dents, needed tires, interior looked brand new and I bought it from my next door neighbor for $2300, now I purchased that car at its true market value. i would only spend 9k on Sr20 S14 original Kouki with an upgraded greddy Turbo,drift coilovers, the works so to speak bcuz at that price I could get an FD, 350z or rx8

180sxmaniac
04-07-2013, 11:25 PM
well think my kouki should be worth about 7k its still a ka non turbo but has 3k worth of upgrades on it... kbb thinks its 4500 which is insulting... and low ballers will offer exactly that 4500

The only mod that really matters is a motor swap or if it's still a Ka,if its a KA then I wouldn't pay more than 5k regardless of upgrades or regardless of its a kouki,zenki or s13 bcuz the car is slow as hell. i find it hilarious when people do front end conversions and then wanna add 1k or more to the car because they did the swap and its like who cares, that Kouki front end is till gonna get smoked by any other sport car on the freeway or at any track if its rocking a KA.

180sxmaniac
04-07-2013, 11:37 PM
Hi,

Thank you for providing feedback concerning the Nissan 240SX values. We appreciate the level of engagement and knowledge from all the vehicle enthusiasts on this forum.

Kelley Blue Book does not provide a value add for vehicles that have aftermarket modifications. For those vehicles, we would suggest having a private appraisal. We continuously monitor the used-vehicle market for all vehicles, including the Nissan 240SX. Our valuation methods include analyzing data from auctions, dealers and seller’s listing prices. This data passes through several statistical models to produce a Kelley Blue Book Value on a weekly basis.

However, thanks to your input we are taking another look at the Nissan 240SX values and will make adjustments if necessary. If you have any other questions or follow-up comments, you can reach me via email at [email protected]

Thanks again!

AJ
Manager, Vehicle Valuation
Kelley Blue Book

My 89 s13 was totaled back in 2010 insurance ruled that I wasn't at fault I was told my car was worth $2700 and this was a completely bone stock 210,000 miles 240sx. Today that same car would be worth $1650 according to KBB. Kelley better hide in a cave cuz if I see her I'm taking flight on that ass lol

KOUKIboy
04-07-2013, 11:58 PM
^^^ Talking about bringing it back from the dead!!!!