S13 Fiberglass Doors?

[jimefam]

I'm looking for fiberglass doors for my S13, who makes em and if anyone here has got some how about a review? I've found them on Chaser Aero but he said they don't have them and will take months to get them. When I asked how long he said he'd call me back in 10 mins and never did.

[MidwestMyriad]

Why do you need/want fiberglass doors?

[sr20sean]

do you have a roll cage with door bars?

if not youre going to die in a side impact.

[ZilviaKid]

IIRC, the hinges on stock doors are NON detachable, so your gonna have to ghetto rig some shit up

[shiftdrift]

IIRC, the hinges on stock doors are NON detachable, so your gonna have to ghetto rig some shit up

Or cut them out and drill holes to.bolt on? Lawlz. Anyways, unless this is a drag car or road race only car I wouldn't worry about it


Edit: worry about getting fiberglass doors that is. Waste.

[MidwestMyriad]

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b381/bboyoracle/RPS13%20Build/DSC05150.jpg

Might as well just go carbon

[!Zar!]

Anyone using fiberglass doors without door bars is an idiot.

[codyace]

If it's a full on track car, I'd sooner gut the factory doors and just leave the shell....the weight difference isn't worth the cost of fiber or carbon

[TougeLove]

This^^^

same with some trunks too, its actually less weight to take out the framing than to replace with carbon/fiberglass.

[jimefam]

Yes it's strictly a drag car with a 25.5 spec chromoly cage so I'm good there. Already gutted stock doors and they are still pretty heavy, I can save some weight for sure. The guy at chaser told me their carbon doors actually weigh more than the fiberglass but they are stronger to take regular glass and door hardware. I will have a fixed lexan window so no need for CF if the fiberglass ones r lighter. I've already got CF hood and hatch and would buy fiberglass fenders if try weren't all ricered out.

[jimefam]

As for cost I'm already about $65k in what the hell I might as well go all out.

[CleanAndLegit]

As for cost I'm already about $65k in what the hell I might as well go all out.

wth 65k? and not done? doode with 65k id make my car fly.

[jimefam]

wth 65k? and not done? doode with 65k id make my car fly.

Lol I used to think the same way but stuff adds up man I've probably got 10-12k in just electronics.

[memphis180sx]

what class do u plan to run in if u dont mind me askin

[jimefam]

what class do u plan to run in if u dont mind me askin

No problem I'll be running X275

[BTplaya]

^ Also interested.

65k gets you in 10.5 outlaw or even pro mod. Hope your running 5's.

[jimefam]

^ Also interested.

65k gets you in 10.5 outlaw or even pro mod. Hope your running 5's.

LOLOL please point me to someone who built even a semi competitive Promod for $65k? Hell a good rolling chassis for Promod is over $100,000 easy. I know a few of the top outlaw 10.5 cars and none of them were anywhere near $65k. Tim Lynch who has the baddest and fastest outlaw 10.5 car out there built my engine and trust me you can't buy his motor for $65,000 let alone a turn key car. Some people really just talk man lol.

[dreadedfist]

Just check around your area for people who are good with glass. They could probably make the doors for you. Or check the usual jdm sites like rhdjapan, etc.

I laugh when someone asks a question and the usual group of people run in to tell the person they're wrong/dumb/its a bad idea/waste of time/etc

He asked about glass doors, he doesn't care about your theory of general relativity. Quit shamelessly increasing your post counts. Look at me, I'm like a mega pro of never posting.

Mega. Pro.

[fckillerbee]

Just check around your area for people who are good with glass. They could probably make the doors for you. Or check the usual jdm sites like rhdjapan, etc.

I laugh when someone asks a question and the usual group of people run in to tell the person they're wrong/dumb/its a bad idea/waste of time/etc

He asked about glass doors, he doesn't care about your theory of general relativity. Quit shamelessly increasing your post counts. Look at me, I'm like a mega pro of never posting.

Mega. Pro.

I was thinking the same thing.

If someone wanted fiberglass doors and didn't have a cage...FUCK IT...he dies ...he dies.

I don't know if chaser and AIT are the same company. Hit up Fatboy Garage and see if they can get you some fiberglass doors. Ask for Ken.
-hamburg.

[scottie]

Sometimes I forget the amount of idiots and general lack of knowledge on this board. I have Origin Lab doors. They are nice. The fitment is spot on and retains all the factory inside mounting points so you can at least put the track back in and have a place to mount a roll knob. Even gutted door is not as light.

They are merely cosmetic though. They wouldn't stop a playskool tricycle.

To install, take you stock doors and drill out the spot welds. These will double as your drill holes for the door (door is flat and allows the user to drill mounting holes). Then slowly cut off the weld spots around the edge of the hinge. I paid a shop to do mine but he sent me pics of his work. He bolts hinges to chassis, placed door where it should sit when closed and marked the holes. Drilled holes out in hinge and thru door. Used grade 8 bolts to bolt hinge. I even went as far as having custom aluminum backing plates made for the doors for extra support.

Btw I weighed them on a scale. 11.2 lbs. Goodluck.

[KA24DESOneThree]

11.2lbs each is a reduction of ~33 lbs per door over stock S14 (which I can only assume is similar in weight; I've seen 65lbs listed for S13 doors but I do not believe this). One could also remove the stock door impact bars, which weigh 10.5lbs, and end up reducing weight by 21lbs for free... but that's not the point, is it?

Considering my car is down to 2235lbs, installation of fiberglass doors represents a weight loss of nearly 3% for ~$700 shipped. The only thing that compares would be a dry carbon roof, for a loss of anywhere from 50-65lbs from the highest point of the car, although the only guy I knew who was doing them is no longer doing so... as far as I know.

By the way, stock S13 door panels are 5.9lbs each, so one fiberglass door weighs about the same as both door panels.

[jimefam]

Thanks for the info I'm fairly certain those are the ones I'll buy. I always find it funny to how people want to tell you you don't need/know what your talking about. Like the guy above who said you could build a promod for $65,000 when he obviously has no clue what he's talking about.

[jimefam]

11.2lbs each is a reduction of ~33 lbs per door over stock S14 (which I can only assume is similar in weight; I've seen 65lbs listed for S13 doors but I do not believe this). One could also remove the stock door impact bars, which weigh 10.5lbs, and end up reducing weight by 21lbs for free... but that's not the point, is it?

Considering my car is down to 2235lbs, installation of fiberglass doors represents a weight loss of nearly 3% for ~$700 shipped. The only thing that compares would be a dry carbon roof, for a loss of anywhere from 50-65lbs from the highest point of the car, although the only guy I knew who was doing them is no longer doing so... as far as I know.

By the way, stock S13 door panels are 5.9lbs each, so one fiberglass door weighs about the same as both door panels.

Iirc my builder weighed each door at 63lbs and he had cut off the lower portion of the door panels where the speaker and little storage space is to run the bars so 65lbs sounds about right. What I'd like to know is how much the straight up skeleton of the stock door weighs to better compare. Either way I'm gonna save a shit load of weight. I'm hoping to get my car to 2450lbs with me in it and fully fueled and ready to go.

[harrypotter]

Pics of car please!

[josephin510]

Pics of car needed. The stock doors are heavy az freak. I used a jack to hold my gutted door up just to bolt it on.

[gzer750]

pics all ready. lol

[jimefam]

Well I've got my build thread on Nico but here is another thread with the condensed version and lots of pics.

http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/155003-drag-rb25-s13.html

[brndck]

My seibon carbon doors are way way WAY lighter than oem doors. I've never put em on a scale but I'd venture that they're 15-20 lbs per side lighter. And yes they bolt right up.

[huffandpuff00]

i have origin FRP doors(i think 9lbs) and they cost me $750 shipped. They are great quality like their other products. you do have to cut your OEM door's hingers out and weld studs to them so you can bolt them up. It sucks to scrap a good door just for hinges!

Might be easier to gut your doors.

[Irresistible]

Gut stock door.
Leave shell.
Replace glass with Lexan.
Maybe put in manual window mechanism thing if you still wanna be able to roll window down.

Save money.

[huffandpuff00]

^^do the seibon really come with hinges?

[jimefam]

Gut stock door.
Leave shell.
Replace glass with Lexan.
Maybe put in manual window mechanism thing if you still wanna be able to roll window down.

Save money.

Gutted stock door still isn't as light as frp. As for Lexan I do plan run it on all the windows but I'm having a hard time finding an existing kit. I will never roll the windows down again either.

[huffandpuff00]

why not just get someone to make a window frame that you can bolt the lexan to - opposed to getting pre molded lexan and having to run the heavy window track?

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/fbcfab2004/SSPX0241.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/fbcfab2004/SSPX0240.jpg

[jimefam]

why not just get someone to make a window frame that you can bolt the lexan to - opposed to getting pre molded lexan and having to run the heavy window track?

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/fbcfab2004/SSPX0241.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/fbcfab2004/SSPX0240.jpg

Class rules require "stock appearance" I have to have carpet and even the interior trim, which means I can run lexan but it has to be preformed and look stock. I will rivet it though so no track. Rules are on X275.net

[harrypotter]

Well I've got my build thread on Nico but here is another thread with the condensed version and lots of pics.

Drag RB25 in S13 - GT-R Register - Official Nissan Skyline and GTR Owners Club forum (http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/155003-drag-rb25-s13.html)

First time I have saw pictures of a rear tubed 240. Looks nice, but sucks you are having a shop build the car.

[anthonyr sil8ty]

i want that rearend in my car :(

[jimefam]

First time I have saw pictures of a rear tubed 240. Looks nice, but sucks you are having a shop build the car.

LOL this isn't the type of project I'd want to tackle in my garage and certainly wouldn't want to put my life in the hands of my welding skills(non existant). Besides the shop has over 400hrs into the car and were not done so even if I had the skills to do this job it would take years to complete as I work for a living.

[jimefam]

i want that rearend in my car :(

Its overkill for 99% of cars out there, really including mine. I got 40 spline axles and an Ultra case center section so that I dont have to worry about replacements since I dont have the massive crew's that my competition will have nor the spare parts on hand.

[OBEEWON]

Your build is amazing.

Please post sound clips of that RB here when its running.

[anthonyr sil8ty]

Its overkill for 99% of cars out there, really including mine. I got 40 spline axles and an Ultra case center section so that I dont have to worry about replacements since I dont have the massive crew's that my competition will have nor the spare parts on hand.

I hear ya, nothing wrong with over building.

[scottie]

Not sure who it was who made a comment about the 11.2 lbs of my FRP Origin doors but for REFERENCE, the same scale measured the stock door (pulled everything out to match origin door) @ 61 lbs. It was nearly 50lbs less per door. Now granted you cut the skeleton out you could probably drop another 30lbs. However I didnt want to sacrifice not be able to put a stock panel back on or the factory roll mechanism. If we are arguing for $$ saved, then its a moot point. If you dont have money or have more important items to buy for your car then obviously go cheap and cut the stock doors.



jimefan,

Love your build man! I hope this helps you with your fiberglass door install. Again mine are Origin Lab doors you can get via dealer. There are a couple advertisers on this site who rep the line.

Cutting stock hinges....
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/Chassis50.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/Chassis51.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/Chassis52.jpg

Custom Aluminum back plate I had laser cut to support the hinges....
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/Chassis53.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/Chassis54.jpg

Fitment was pretty damn good....
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/Chassis56.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/Chassis59.jpg

BAM
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/bc575938.jpg

[BTplaya]

LOLOL please point me to someone who built even a semi competitive Promod for $65k? Hell a good rolling chassis for Promod is over $100,000 easy. I know a few of the top outlaw 10.5 cars and none of them were anywhere near $65k. Tim Lynch who has the baddest and fastest outlaw 10.5 car out there built my engine and trust me you can't buy his motor for $65,000 let alone a turn key car. Some people really just talk man lol.


We built Tim's Vette so I know ecaxtly what things cost. I never said the badest car on the planet.

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/8705/1004186v.jpg

I (http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/8705/1004186v.jpg) like the project either way! Keep it up.

[jimefam]

Not sure who it was who made a comment about the 11.2 lbs of my FRP Origin doors but for REFERENCE, the same scale measured the stock door (pulled everything out to match origin door) @ 61 lbs. It was nearly 50lbs less per door. Now granted you cut the skeleton out you could probably drop another 30lbs. However I didnt want to sacrifice not be able to put a stock panel back on or the factory roll mechanism. If we are arguing for $$ saved, then its a moot point. If you dont have money or have more important items to buy for your car then obviously go cheap and cut the stock doors.



jimefan,

Love your build man! I hope this helps you with your fiberglass door install. Again mine are Origin Lab doors you can get via dealer. There are a couple advertisers on this site who rep the line.

Cutting stock hinges....
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/Chassis50.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/Chassis51.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/Chassis52.jpg

Custom Aluminum back plate I had laser cut to support the hinges....
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/Chassis53.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/Chassis54.jpg

Fitment was pretty damn good....
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/Chassis56.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/Chassis59.jpg

BAM
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/bc575938.jpg

Thanks for the pictures that will certainly help. I went ahead and ordered the doors on Tuesday so I will post up pics on my build thread when I get them in 8 weeks.

[jimefam]

We built Tim's Vette so I know ecaxtly what things cost. I never said the badest car on the planet.

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/8705/1004186v.jpg

I (http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/8705/1004186v.jpg) like the project either way! Keep it up.

Well if you built that Vette and you'll build me one just like it for $65k let me know where to wire the money! The 670 engine he has in there is sold for $75k and that's without turbos and alot of other stuff you'd need to run it. Iirc they told me the cost for the new R2B2 Mustang was like over 200k so that's why I'm curious where your seeing promods and outlaw 10.5 cars being built for $65,000. Maybe you make all this yourself and have the hook up on alot of stuff in which case I can see you still spending around that. Besides it's wayyyy cheaper and easier to build a vette or a mustang who have parts readily available and at cheaper cost then it is to build something like a 240 where everything is one off pieces. For real if you own or work at skinny kid and can build me a turn key vette like tim's for $65,000 consider it done man that's a hell of a deal.

[fckillerbee]

aren't vette's stock like 50k?

something doesn't seem right here....

[jimefam]

aren't vette's stock like 50k?

something doesn't seem right here....

No you don't count the cost of the car and they typically they don't use cars that are in good conditions. They'll source a wrecked one or a flooded car because really there isn't anything original on that car. And for those promods it's all tubed anyways with a glass or carbon shell.