have you picked up your latest grm magazine?

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GRM magazine has good article about drifting for 2 issues in a row. Grass Roots Magazine covers all types of motorsports and has been following SCCA sanctioned events. Recently they have covered drifting 2x in a row.... good article about drifting.

http://home.comcast.net/~kbryde/sloanie.jpg

[Dousan_PG]

nice pic, Doctor!

what event is that pic from? looks like irwindale?

[sykikchimp]

Yeah, I read that.. Good article. Didn't appear to be written by a GRM staffer though (generally they are very opinionated)? Seemed very positive for the sport.

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ey aaron... that's irwindale in one of those private events.

[Kreator]

Just like other forms of motorsports,

umm, could someone please tell me when did drifting become a motorsport?!?!

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by Kreator
umm, could someone please tell me when did drifting become a motorsport?!?!

uh-oh another elitist!

just we tweak the race line.
grippers are good drifters=car control
best drifters are good grippers

[lee180]

hay did u know that GRMS members are complaining about drifting in there mag? look http://www.grassrootsmotorsports.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=1712

[Hondamatic]

I dont see why people have to debate everything. Just have fun, thats all that matters, let people do what they want to do.

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by lee180
hay did u know that GRMS members are complaining about drifting in there mag? look http://www.grassrootsmotorsports.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=1712

LOLLERS!! It's TRAVIS.. TNORD.. (the oldies around here know him..) he is ALWAYS starting shit. HAHA

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by lee180
hay did u know that GRMS members are complaining about drifting in there mag? look http://www.grassrootsmotorsports.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=1712

its funny
the first page is primarily 'hey that shouldnt be in here"
the rest is

damn that looks lke fun, i gotta try it!


HAHAHA
that's what drifting is all about
FUN!

some bad info but...meh whatever

yah travis..no surprise
hahaha

[NiteKids]

I thought GRM was a magazine full of Faggot wagons aka VWs. :confused:

[Kreator]

Originally posted by Dousan_PG
uh-oh another elitist!

just we tweak the race line.
grippers are good drifters=car control
best drifters are good grippers

rofl

i dont have a problem with drifting... well i dont like it, but its besides the point.

Point is, drifting is not a sport. Its a show. Performance is not measured in units but somebody else judging how u did. That's not a sport.

Now a motorsports magazine publishing an article about drifting and calling it a motorsport tells me only one thing: sellouts.

Even rally, which is full of being able to control w/o having grip, is way more of a motorsport than drifting, as you are actually trying to be faster then everybody else, unlike drifting, where u trying not to hit a cone while pulling off a mad phat drift..... pffft.

[Dousan_PG]

then our definition of a 'sport' is different

to me, an activity one is engaged in

:D

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by Kreator

Even rally, which is full of ability to control w/o having grip, is way more of a motorsport than drifting, as you are actually striving to be faster then everybody else, and not about not hitting that cone. pffft


drifting isnt about hitting cones

aaah more proof you are clueless!

[Kreator]

Originally posted by Dousan_PG
drifting isnt about hitting cones

aaah more proof you are clueless!

whatever. drifting is not a sport. period. u know it. Whatever your definition is, is not the definition that the rest of the world lives buy.

I'll give u an analogy. Its called american metal. Limp Bizkit, Korn all the other shit out there. Americans call it metal. Rest of the world calls it crap. same with drifting (although maybe ppl dont call it crap lol :) but u get my point).

[Kreator]

Originally posted by Dousan_PG
then our definition of a 'sport' is different

to me, an activity one is engaged in

:D

so you call eating, sleeping and masturbation all sports too?

[andrave]

what a bunch of dumbasses, of course its a form of motorsports, you don't have to have a quantative method of measuring performance to declare something a motorsport. Its a competition between cars, something people build cars for and practice for. It has its own events and sponsors.
Yeah, its a motor sport.
haha losers.......

[Dousan_PG]

andrave put it nicely hahaha

and to your last comment


yeah they can be considered a 'sport' as well :D

[Steeles]

Originally posted by Kreator
so you call eating, sleeping and masturbation all sports too?

well masturbation if you do it right...

but the olympics call figure skating a sport... and its the same principle. kinda like grading karate on your form for a higher belt.

[Kreator]

Originally posted by andrave
what a bunch of dumbasses, of course its a form of motorsports, you don't have to have a quantative method of measuring performance to declare something a motorsport. Its a competition between cars, something people build cars for and practice for. It has its own events and sponsors.
Yeah, its a motor sport.
haha losers.......

right... now go prove it to the rest of the world, maybe you'll get a Nobel Prize. I really doubt it though...

[Kreator]

Originally posted by Steeles
but the olympics call figure skating a sport... and its the same principle. kinda like grading karate on your form for a higher belt.

true. i was waiting for someone to bring that up actually.

But, its pretty much the only sport out there that has the judging system (well boxing too) and if u look around, you'll see that there are alot of people that actually argue that point. Seriously, all it is, is dancing on the ice. Do you consider dancing a sport?

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by Kreator
true. i was waiting for someone to bring that up actually.

But, its pretty much the only sport out there that has the judging system (well boxing too) and if u look around, you'll see that there are alot of people that actually argue that point.

oh crap dood! those arent sports!
quick, call the olympic committee!

no more gymnastics!
nore more figure skating!
no more wrestling!
no more no more no more!

those arent sports! WTF!



:D :rolleyes:

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motorsports or not.... one thing i can assure you, is that...

http://xxl.driftheaven.com/lvdrift.jpg

if you take off my helmet... all you see is a BIG SMILE!!!!
because it's fukkin`fun... and the drifters know that if it's anything... it's the FUN FACTOR!

even if it's .1% motorsports... it's 99.9% FUN! none of us are grouchy after drifting! hell yeah!!!

booooooooooooooooooooyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

[Kreator]

Originally posted by Dousan_PG
oh crap dood! those arent sports!
quick, call the olympic committee!

no more gymnastics!
nore more figure skating!
no more wrestling!
no more no more no more!

those arent sports! WTF!



:D :rolleyes:

umm do u do that cuz u dont actually have anything to say as an argument? pity :-/

Alright, tell me whats drifting is about. From what i've seen/heard, you get the tail out, whoever keeps it longer/steadier or what not (basicly whoever does it "nicer") wins. True?

Now figure skating has a bunch of routines u have to do. Like double, triple jumps etc. There is a measuring system for ya. You either do them clean, or you dont. You either get a point or u do not.

Boxing is also judged based on the number of punches u give and how clean they are. Not to mention knockouts which are a clear proof of victory.

Is all that done in drifting? Or is it just one single routine done over and over again and judged on whoever gets it better?

[boro240]

haha. i clicked that link and the first thing i saw was "tnord". classic. but i see drifting as being much like surfing. is surfing not a sport too?

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by Kreator
Alright, tell me whats drifting is about. From what i've seen/heard, you get the tail out, whoever keeps it longer/steadier or what not (basicly whoever does it "nicer") wins. True?

Now figure skating has a bunch of routines u have to do. Like double, triple jumps etc. There is a measuring system for ya. You either do them clean, or you dont. You either get a point or u do not.

Boxing is also judged based on the number of punches u give and how clean they are. Not to mention knockouts which are a clear proof of victory.

Is all that done in drifting? Or is it just one single routine done over and over again and judged on whoever gets it better?

nah, nothing at all like that
well...at the beginning learning YES--staying sideways

but at a higher level, definately not

to me..this is how it is judged. my perception of it and personal expirience from the various competitions ive done.

drifting is judged on first and foremost:

LINES
what kind of lines? racing lines.
[entry] speed--anyone can gun it out of a corner, but coming in fast, setting up the car and maintaining a proper line is not easy.
overall car control--how you set the car up sideways before/during/exiting the corner/corners
angle--this is questionable, but imho its important.
consistency--anyone can get lucky and nail something one time. takes real skilll to do it over and over. just like it is important in any form of racing.
corner connection--how you changed directions throughout a course layout.



edit: 99% of the tiem the people who rag on drifting and all are the ones who have NEVER done it.

when you do actually try it, you'd understand. and might not be first time. but overtime..you'll really open your eyes and say WOAH no wonder people love doing this. you cant get taht feeling in much else. you dont have to be 'the best' you dont have to be national champ or have a billion sponsors to have fun. just do it.

and 95% of the drifters out there are teh coolest people you could possibly meet. never at any sort of competition environment will you meet such friendly folks. espeically when there are big prizes and sponsors and money waiting for the winners. most people at these events are friends and help eachother out. doesnt matter if they are competing against you.

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judging drifting is hard because it is subjective... in japan it' has a lot to do with the culture because of the well respected judges that they have become from past motorsports championships. the culture is different... and yes, drifting is considered a major motorsports in japan.

however, in the US it's different because being subjective is an opinion of someone. where most american would like to question or argue on, smiply because americans like to debate, discuss and argue on almost about anything they can talk about. unless, the judges happens to be michael schumacher, mario andretti or someone of that status. where an average joe would have a hard time arguing their opinion.

drifting is scored by racing line, accuracy, consistency, speed and angle. it is hard to maintain the speed while you worry about your accuracy, angle and racing line at the same time. i think they also judge the general presentation.

the higher speed and angle you have the harder it is to control because by having a high angle means you are about to spin out because you're on the edge of your lateraly movement. any angle after that would be a spin out.


does that make sense? if not... oh well. it's still fun...

[Kreator]

hah right.

u still only doing one routine. You just broke it up into many parts. basicly how to position yourelf for a jump in order to make it higher.

as for ragging, im not. it is probably a lot of fun but so are million other things. And if you people are into it, do it as much as u want to. Just dont call it motorsports. Just like with my music example. Make the music, just dont call it metal.

And yes, ive never tried it, and i dont want to. and yeah, there is something u get that feeling in. Actually even more of it cuz it gives u the adrenaline rush of a rather real possibility of crashing into a tree and dying... Its called rally. I'm doing rally-x (hopefully club rally too next year if i get a another car) and to me its way more fun than drifting will ever be.... Not to mention its much more fun to watch...

And before ppl tell me that its only my opinion: http://maddox.xmission.com/opinion1.gif

anyways, my boring day of work is over :D so i'm leaving this hehe

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by Kreator

[quote]
And yes, ive never tried it, and i dont want to. and yeah, there is something u get that feeling in. Actually even more of it cuz it gives u the adrenaline rush of a rather real possibility of crashing into a tree and dying... Its called rally. I'm doing rally-x (hopefully club rally too next year if i get a another car) and to me its way more fun than drifting will ever be.... Not to mention its much more fun to watch...



hahaa you crack me up
dont knock it till you try it!
yeah rally-x could be more fun then drifting but you wouldnt know, you are happy with what you are doing.

which is a-ok

you could having sex with 18 year old models, but you wouldnt know because doing it with your 80 old grandmas is the best that you know of. and your happy doing it! that's a-ok!


as far as crashing, have you seen crashing in drifting? hahaha
soem folks eat trees too. some eat barriers, both have the high risk (rally and drifting)...so both are closer then you might think (risk/adrenaline wise).

HMMM

[lee180]

i agree w/ driftHvn nice ride by the way

[tsunami0ne]

Originally posted by Kreator
hah right.

u still only doing one routine. You just broke it up into many parts. basicly how to position yourelf for a jump in order to make it higher.



Same thing with drag racing right? One routine.

I believe that would also apply to road racing? Correct me if I'm wrong, but there usually is one IDEAL line, and one tries to drive that line as much as possible.

So conclusion: DonFactory wins.:(

[nokeone]

Originally posted by Dousan_PG

you could having sex with 18 year old models, but you wouldnt know because doing it with your 80 old grandmas is the best that you know of. and your happy doing it! that's a-ok!


hahaha...that's funny...danmit!! and all this time i coulda been with models..:bash: ..stupid wrinkly breasts..lol..

charlie, great picture!..

i'm glad it's getting more exposure..i think it'll come to a happy median..especially when some of the hype dies down and the next fad comes up...i don't think drifting will ever drop off the map...but i think, like with most MOTORSPORTS, it will come to a place where the dedicated do it, the interested try it, and the lazy leave it alone..

:D

[Steeles]

Originally posted by Dousan_PG

you could having sex with 18 year old models, but you wouldnt know because doing it with your 80 old grandmas is the best that you know of. and your happy doing it! that's a-ok!


I like the 18 year olds.... now where did Turtlepower go..... oooh Maaaarrrryyyy!!!


hehehe

[balmo]

i agree with charlie. drifting is tons of fun. and no pressure, in amateur level at least.

[Kreator]

ummmm whatever....

Once again: http://maddox.xmission.com/opinion1.gif

dragracing is a sport as there are actual units of measurement. Called seconds.

Drifting might be fine. It might be even cool. It might be even more fun than dragracing, grip driving, rally and what not. If you people are having fun at it, more power to ya. Like i said I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH DRIFTING. I have a problem with calling drifting a sport. Can everybody get it to their tiny brains? Never did i rag on drifting. If u thought i did, reread all my posts. Blah. I say its not a sport, and suddenly everybody decides i hate it and tries to prove to me how wrong im. You ppl suck. As if i care about what u say anyways :D just a really boring day at work hehe

And yeah, opinions are like assholes :)
Not to mention arguing on the internet is retarded hehe

edit: oh and the reason why i said i like rallyx more than drifting is simple: watching professional drifters is more boring than watching WRC :D

[Dousan_PG]

sooo
requires a clock for it to be a sport
so if you time my difts around a track, then its a sport?
because that's done in japan

and what about gymkhana? that's not a sport too right?

oh wait....

hahaha

btw, which professional drifting have you watched? seen it in person? ever ride w/ a professional rally driver? ever ride w/ a professional drifter?

[Kreator]

Originally posted by Dousan_PG
sooo
requires a clock for it to be a sport
so if you time my difts around a track, then its a sport?
because that's done in japan

and what about gymkhana? that's not a sport too right?

oh wait....

hahaha

btw, which professional drifting have you watched? seen it in person? ever ride w/ a professional rally driver? ever ride w/ a professional drifter?

ummm u either are slow, or just trying to look like that way? You perfectly know what i mean. Sport - performance that actually can be measured in units. Hockey is a sport and not cuz there is a time limit. And measuring your time doesnt do jack shit as u arent looking for the fastest time around the corner, cuz then u won't be drifting.

i thought of answering your other questions but then thought of what i wrote in the previous paragraph about arguing over the internet and decided not to :-/

[chinesefood2go]

look up 'sport' in a dictionary (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sport) :bash:

sport:
1. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
A particular form of this activity.

2. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.

3. An active pastime; recreation.

[soulDistortion]

I'll just paraphrase from other arguements made at the GRM board:

Are you trying to say that things like skateboarding or surfing, or even things like gymnastics aren't sports because much like drifting, they're based on style?

Drifting is based on style, yes, but like the other sports I named, they are deeply rooted in technical aspects.

Any jackass can get a RWD car sideways, just the same as any jackass can get on a skateboard and go down the street, or any jackass can put on a football helmet and run down a field. Not every jackass can be good at what it is they're doing.

The "sport" comes from people getting together and doing the same activity competitively.

Here, figure this one out:

sport (spôrt, sprt)
n

1.
a. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.

A particular form of this activity.
b. A particular form of this activity.

2. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.

3. An active pastime; recreation.

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its a waste of time arguing.... even speed channel calls demolition derby a form of motorsports. drifting is a... MOTORSPORTS ACTIVITY! yipeeeeeee...

[Flybert]

Anyone else upset that Charlie didn't scan the other pages for us to see.

And drifting is a sport when done competitively and only when done competitively. It's kind of like this. I'm a surfer but I don't call it a sport when I do it, but when I see Kelly Slater and Rob Machado rippin it up in Tahiti, trying to do the best they can on one wave, showing off their surf style for the judges, this is when it turns into a sport.

For me, much like surfing, drifting is kind of like a lifestlye, especially since these things consume my thoughts all the time. Take it for what it's worth...and it's worth more than 2 cents cuz I'm always right, ALWAYS!!! :D

And if you're wondering why I didn't feel like mentioning soccer, it's because I'm so damn good at it, it ain't a competition any more.

[mazdized]

Hum does sport fucking count as sport? may be not but it sure is fun. :p

[Kreator]

doh. Then i guess masturbation is a sport. silly me. :hammer: :rolleyes:

Its funny how only the drifters themselves (oh and magazines/channels and what not who dont really give a shit as long as it makes them money) consider it a sport, while the rest of the world does not. Well i guess i'll call my coding skills "hacking" just cuz i can, even though they got nothing to do with it :-/

[nokeone]

Originally posted by Kreator
doh. Then i guess masturbation is a sport. silly me. :hammer: :rolleyes:

Its funny how only the drifters themselves (oh and magazines/channels and what not who dont really give a shit as long as it makes them money) consider it a sport, while the rest of the world does not. Well i guess i'll call my coding skills "hacking" just cuz i can, even though they got nothing to do with it :-/

and it's funny how the majority of those who don't are motorsport elitest types who seem to have an issue with anything which may possibly infringe on the purity of whatever they happen to be into...it's like your affraid of the motorsport world being tarnished by something different...

i remember the same thing when i started snowboarding all those many years ago..skier after skier insisted it was a stupid kids things and not a true sport...guess times change..i'm sure this, and your opinion (unless you really ARE that dense), will do the same...

"oh no, it's something NEW; god forbid! :eek: it's not 'this' or 'that' or it lacks 'this' so it can't be a sport. not like my precious autox in a parking lot where WE try to dodge cones for fear of those darn penalties which add time (which makes us a sport) to our runs. damn those kids!"

[Dousan_PG]

kreator, yeah no use arguing.

hahahaha

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Originally posted by Flybert
Anyone else upset that Charlie didn't scan the other pages for us to see.



hahaha sorry man... i just stole that from lee at club4ag. someone scanned it there, and i copied it here :)

[Freeject]

I agree, drifting is fun......but its not motorsport.

Thats like having a food fight and calling it cooking. ;)

[tsunami0ne]

IF PLAYING MAGIC: THE GATHERING IS CONSIDERED A SPORT, THEN DRIFTING CAN BE CONSIDERED A SPORT.

SHUTDAFUKUPNEEWBEES.




AND WHO CARES ANYWAYS

[HiPSI]

going by webster's f'n dictionary it's a sport, and it involves motor vehicles. so yes, it's a motorsport;)

argue all you want, it's all opinions anyway. i hate nascar, but it's unfortunately still a popular form of motorsports.

[HiPSI]

Originally posted by tsunami0ne
IF PLAYING MAGIC: THE GATHERING IS CONSIDERED A SPORT, THEN DRIFTING CAN BE CONSIDERED A SPORT.

SHUTDAFUKUPNEEWBEES.




AND WHO CARES ANYWAYS

holy crap, that game still exists? i thouhgt it left with MC hammer baggy pants.

[95zilvia]

its useless to argue with like, a forum mainly for drifters, its so biased :P

[ca18guy]

Originally posted by 95zilvia
its useless to argue with like, a forum mainly for drifters, its so biased :P

Please don't say that out loud. I like to live in make beleive and think this forum is still not that drifter oriented :wtc:

[lbcklik1486]

First, who are all the "outside people" who don't consider drifting a sport? Because that might be that you are only looking at a small population. I'm sure you didn't go to all 50 states, take a poll, and take the mean of that. And don't say lots of people in the message boards agree w/ you, because that would go along w/ what you said that only a "certain type of person/people" agree w/ u, or rather, the people who do/dont do that sport Secondly, why exactly do you care so much? I don't see why you should care so passionately about something that you don't even do or condole as a sport, leave it alone:o
And lastly, if you want something to measure, ok, a car passes another during a drift; a car doesn't pass another during a drift, simple 'nuff.
-Jay