Highway Racing is Mucho Fun!

[Thorpedo]

Me and srskilladet went highway racing with -1.Supercharger GSR integra 2. Modified(headwork)Integra Type R(yes its very real) 3.92-95 civic with 1.8 ls with gsr head and intake 4. Assorted other honda

So we are cruising on 71 and this type r and the s/c gsr flyby and so i feeling left out, floor it and catch up eventually. Now theres not much of a story other than these next few awesome points....A-The 118mph cut-off is non-existant on my car cuz my speedometer was WAY pass the 115mph mark and i was right next to the GSR at one point and he said he was going 126-128. B-Those first three cars that are listed DO NOT PULL THAT HARD ON AN ALMOST STOCK 240 auto on the interstate. I was very suprised on how little they pulled, maybe a carlength every 10mph from 80mph up to 125ish. At one point, i was going next to the type R and he faded back...I know he left off some but still, he was flooring it for a little while, and didnt pull.  Now i know that a type r is faster in the quarter and such, but i dont think its gears are great for highway racing, considering he didnt pull me when we floored it from 100mph and up. C- Im addicted to highway racing...as long as its safe(safe as in very low traffic and straight roads)

[misnomer]

uh, NO highway racing is safe, unless the roads are blocked off. Regardless, when you get to those speeds, gearing and particularly aerodynamics become more important than power.

[Thorpedo]

Now obviously, its not SAFE, im just saying...in my opinion, thats the only time i ever consider it, i apologize for my use of words

[duderiffic]

Hehehe!! You're going to die!! But I hope you feel like the man on your way out!!  :cool: Those cars are faster than yours, racing them can only bring disgrace and disrespect to Nissan.  Hahahaha.  (Joke)

Honestly though, racing is bad.  A lot of kids die, which really isn't so bad compared to being a quadriplegic.  And I think anyone would agree with me about that!!

[NOSfEDs12vh45dett]

Yeah, ya going to die, oneway or another, but fuck living like a quadriplegic, but is that going to stop me from racing, nah I've been racing since I got my first cart, wow that makes me feel old.........

And yeah Kids die, so do adults, grandperents, and family, dogs, cats, and road kill, life is for the living.

Take your car onto the track, I'm sure you guy's have a open day or two at verious tracks around the States, and if not join a car club, then go, have fun, and learn new stuff.

But sorry I'm going to die before I'm 35..........It's a real rush.

[luey02]

nah, i think it's safer goin from 0 to 70  from a light.  Goin 120 on a highway is crazy if you hit a bump with a slight turn of wheel.  the best thing is, you dont know where the bumps are!  My friend had a 00 camero lost control like that and good thing he swiped  his front and back on the guard rail.  he said the only thing left was the cabin..  Imaging you a light 240 losing traction goin sideways then sudden caught traction again at 100mph...  

dont let me stop you tho

[chickenmanq]

I still say highway racing can be fine and safe.  However, I pay much more attention to changing conditions and the "what-if" factors than most.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and say maybe it's an age thing, or where you grew up.  I've been driving since I was 12, licensed at 15.  Every single day after high school, I would max out the old 76 Courier (92 mph) on the stretch of highway to our turnoff.  Then, also everyday, after we maxed it out, we would take the 1.6 mile curvy section of pavement balls out, then the 1.4 mile dirt road balls out.  These aren't the greatest roads, with loose gravel, washboards, etc.

This was only part of the training coming home from school, and heading into school.  The rest were random roads all over Idaho.

My point is this:  Road racing can be completely safe, if there is such a thing.  Provided you pay the utmost attention to kids, cars, and changing road conditions.  I always watch about 10 blocks ahead with peripheral vision, and as a result, I am always ready to dodge, throw the car into a slide, and otherwise avoid unpleasant consequences.  I hope the rest of you that road race do the same and examine every possibility of error while you are going 120.

[SRskillaDET]

yup you guys have convinced me, im getting a honda accord.  why would i want the rough ride, small interior, and power of a 240, when i could easily have a smooth riding car with lots of passenger room and luxury options? OH YEAH, i love driving!

[HippoSleek]

I'm glad that so many of you are ready to meet your maker to get a rush on an open stretch of highway.  That's your decision.  What I don't think you consider is all of us who haven't decided to cash out and call it a life.  

Gun in your mouth, overdose, or hitting another car head on at 120 mph.  It's all death.  The only difference is that one way you take yourself out voluntarily.  If you are on a public road, you are risking the lives of those around you too.  I love speed and driving fast, don't get me wrong.  BUT, I keep it on the track where it belongs.  There, everyone signed a waiver and anything can happen.  No one signed a waiver for you to drive like a jackass on the streets.

I bet it wouldn't be so cool if you killed your parents, grandparents, etc.

[crazycuban]

for real...when i had my celica, i never went highway racing, but one time on the way back from metro (the street races in D.C.) a 5.0 came up next to me, and i was dumb and decided to race it.  
i hit 130, and the mustang changed lanes.  i thought he was just getting in front of me, so i change lanes to the lane he was in, only to see a car coming up fast.  at those speeds, u cannot react (which is what makes it so dangerous), and i had to turn the steering wheel too much to avoid hitting the car.  i spun 3 times, in a front wheel drive car, on interstate 95 (a major interstate for all not on the east coast).  i came within feet of hitting the concrete dividing wall or going off into the forest and hitting a tree.  luckily, i barely clipped the car i was avoiding, causing minimal damage, but saving my life.  
i could have died, and whenever i think of street racing or high speeds i get scared as shit.  but imagine what could have been worse - my best friend was in the car with me, i could have killed the guy i was avoiding, i could have killed the guy i was racing.  could u imagine having a death, a murder on your hands?  could u imagine not being here right now?  could u imagine the heartache ur friends, and most importantly ur family would feel?  personally, if you wanna risk that, thats ur prerogative.  but i dont, and you carry the risk of killing me or other drivers making their way home when u race on the highway.  please don't.

[Thorpedo]

Even though most of you guys are replying about the street racing...I was hoping to discuss the highspeed persona of the 240sx.  Nobody has even said anything about an almost stock 240 keeping up with these cars. Dont take this as a disrespect to you guys, im just saying it was the aim of my post, even though i was full of adreline when i wrote it and thats why i included comments about highway racing and such.

[chickenmanq]

Well, my truck handles like Calvin and Hobbes' wagon, but I'm not sure about the car body 2.4. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> &nbsp;Hehehe

[thewholefnshow]

I have a huge problem with most people analogies, and view on road racing. How many geos have you passed on the highway doing 75 miles an hour? how many beat up pieces of shit that bounce all over the place are out there every day driving along at 65 miles an hour completely legally? A TON, all these beaters, eyesores, and smog failures are out there every day pushing there cars to the near limits. And they are not doing anything wrong TECHNICALLY in the eys of the law. I know for a FACT, I can push my 240 to 100 miles an hour and easily be as stable, as easily controlled and even more easily slowed down when need be. I am sorry, if you have a ferrari, you can do 120 milkes an hour and it will handle like a geo at 30 miles an hour, and stop almost as quick... I think that performace, racing, and speed are all relative to your automobile.. and should be treated as such. I think speed limits are in many ways ridiculous... I have watch people moving back and forth in there seat, coaxing there delapidated jalopies uphill, but would anyone truly ever say he was retarded for what he was doing... no not really, but if they found out I was doing 95 miles an hour on a back road #### straight they would point out to me the perils of speed... to all of them I say screw you. I have more of a chance of some idiot drunk drinver fuckin my life on the road, or some idiot in a broken down civic trying to push the limits of his car, then I do getting in an accident at above normal speeds. I am not saying speeding is right, just that nobody ever looks at speed the way that it should be.

[sil40sx]

heres the deal, if there are other cars on the road, youre not cool, if not, its your life.
ill highway race (if no one is on the road), but im not going to endanger anyone whos just trying to get to their family

(Edited by schneiddog at 1:47 pm on Jan. 21, 2002)


(Edited by schneiddog at 3:14 pm on Jan. 22, 2002)

[thewholefnshow]

I would agree with you except normally when I am doing 75-85 miles an hour, it is some dad in his mini van and 4 kids with no seatbelts jumping up and down that blow past me.... complete with a roof rack that is shaking like a bastard cause it was never meant to go that fast.

[chickenmanq]

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I have a huge problem with most people analogies, and view on road racing. How many geos have you passed on the highway doing 75 miles an hour? how many beat up pieces of shit that bounce all over the place are out there every day driving along at 65 miles an hour completely legally? A TON, all these beaters, eyesores, and smog failures are out there every day pushing there cars to the near limits. And they are not doing anything wrong TECHNICALLY in the eys of the law. I know for a FACT, I can push my 240 to 100 miles an hour and easily be as stable, as easily controlled and even more easily slowed down when need be. I am sorry, if you have a ferrari, you can do 120 milkes an hour and it will handle like a geo at 30 miles an hour, and stop almost as quick... I think that performace, racing, and speed are all relative to your automobile.. and should be treated as such. I think speed limits are in many ways ridiculous... I have watch people moving back and forth in there seat, coaxing there delapidated jalopies uphill, but would anyone truly ever say he was retarded for what he was doing... no not really, but if they found out I was doing 95 miles an hour on a back road #### straight they would point out to me the perils of speed... to all of them I say screw you. I have more of a chance of some idiot drunk drinver fuckin my life on the road, or some idiot in a broken down civic trying to push the limits of his car, then I do getting in an accident at above normal speeds. I am not saying speeding is right, just that nobody ever looks at speed the way that it should be.
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I completely agree.

[thewholefnshow]

thanks a lot! I am glad my rant reached someone... lol.

[groundzero]

Highway racing is fun for me in different cities where the road is straight and nice, but I live in San francisco where its packed and the road has the most shittiest pavement. &nbsp;I wouldn't say it's not safe on a straight away highway just be careful for cops and pedestrian...Pesdestrians are my worst fear. &nbsp;Everytime I go about 65-70 on a 35 I feel like a kid or someone might just jump out of nowhere onto the streets...

[MyFirst240SX]

some one jsut said going 0-70 from a street light is safer than going 120 on the highway. well if you race from a street light there is proubly more traffic than on a free way late at night. &nbsp;If you race illeagly you have a great chance of dieng. &nbsp;Alot of people just say, well u might die oh well, but as soon as they have a wreck or kill someone there attitudes chage pretty &nbsp;quick. &nbsp; This is really hypocritical of me but its the truth.

[sil40sx]

justifying risking other peoples lives because someone else is doing it is like saying its ok to kill people and take thier money because you are not as bad as hitler

[thewholefnshow]

Well, I can see my point fell on deaf ears. I can see you have your eyes so closed to some of the real problems on the road that nothing I say would make a difference. And the hitler refrence. Nice. I think that your argumentative methods lack actual reason. I never said that it was right, safe or intelligent. But to ostracize people when I htink that there are many, many larger problems that go largely unchecked on the roadways is well, naive and ignorant.

[wyldchyld7x]

thewholefnshow in my opinion is quite right, as uaual so is chickenmanq. &nbsp;Look at hghway speeds this way the speed limits were made some 30 years ago when seatbelts weren't even mandatory much less the safety and performance standards available on modernday automobiles. &nbsp;Europe has the autobahn for a reason, not because they are speed hungry irresponsible idiots but because they are inteligent enough to realise that modern day cars are capable of safely driving at over 100 miles per hour. &nbsp;Also their drivers license testing over there makes ours look like a joke. &nbsp;Truth is a senile old foggy in a cadillac doing 25 miles per hour and changing lanes without looking in a residential area is a #### of alot more dangerous than I am at over 100 miles per hour on a four lane highway.

[thewholefnshow]

Here is another random thought. Think of all he police energy, that in the last few years has shifted towards rice rockets... etc... I cannot believe that a cop would pull you over and take 15 minutes out of both your days because he has deemed your muffler too loud, or because you looked like you might do something illegal... who freakin cares. how many harley davidsons out there make more noice than any muffler I could dream of buying... &nbsp;I just htink that there has been so much of a shift in the way car are looked at in recent years that people have deemed anything out of the ordinary wrong and or illegal. They did it when they were younger... I know that my dad slammed a 340 duster into a wall... and was lucky to walk away. People have been street racing since cars were invented. It's not smart, but it's because legal events are so few and far between it's disgusting. I thikn that if the government spent the money on creating legal events (sure it's a strech, but hey) that the problem would diminish greatly. Instead, they are paying millions of dollars to actually train police to be able to pop your hood and tell you your car is missing a CARB sticker... then they spend 4o trillion on anit smoking programs. Well fuck that and fuck them. I know I have a far right point of view. But whatever.

[crazycuban]

wholefnshow, i agree with ur post, but the fact remains that unless the road is clear, ur putting other people in jeopardy. &nbsp;and by definition, when ur racing someone, the road is not clear. &nbsp;even if u say &quot;well, hes chosing to put himself in danger&quot;, the fact remains that when the majority of people who race race on the highway, there are &quot;innocents&quot; around.

[idunit]

I agree with some of you. &nbsp;Yes street racing can be dangerous but so is some old guy with gluacoma driving 20 in a 55 with his 5000lb old ass cadillac. &nbsp;Whats the difference between someone coming around a corner at 60 to find him doing 20 than for me to be doing 90 and come around the corner to find someone doing 60? &nbsp;Speed is all relative. &nbsp;Anyway, I really love racing and whenever the chance arrises I usually take it. &nbsp;My car has no top end limiter so I've suprised many a cars. &nbsp;Just run along side them until they hit 115 or 120 or where ever theres shuts down and then just punch it and away I go laughing the whole time.

[duderiffic]

####, that is one LONG WINDED topic!! &nbsp;This must be the college level discussion board here. &nbsp;Will there be a comprehension test too? =P

Jeff

[my240likenoother]

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I have a huge problem with most people analogies, and view on road racing. How many geos have you passed on the highway doing 75 miles an hour? how many beat up pieces of shit that bounce all over the place are out there every day driving along at 65 miles an hour completely legally? A TON, all these beaters, eyesores, and smog failures are out there every day pushing there cars to the near limits. And they are not doing anything wrong TECHNICALLY in the eys of the law. I know for a FACT, I can push my 240 to 100 miles an hour and easily be as stable, as easily controlled and even more easily slowed down when need be. I am sorry, if you have a ferrari, you can do 120 milkes an hour and it will handle like a geo at 30 miles an hour, and stop almost as quick... I think that performace, racing, and speed are all relative to your automobile.. and should be treated as such. I think speed limits are in many ways ridiculous... I have watch people moving back and forth in there seat, coaxing there delapidated jalopies uphill, but would anyone truly ever say he was retarded for what he was doing... no not really, but if they found out I was doing 95 miles an hour on a back road #### straight they would point out to me the perils of speed... to all of them I say screw you. I have more of a chance of some idiot drunk drinver fuckin my life on the road, or some idiot in a broken down civic trying to push the limits of his car, then I do getting in an accident at above normal speeds. I am not saying speeding is right, just that nobody ever looks at speed the way that it should be.
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I completely agree.
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same here!!
but unfrotanty i had to learn the hard way last Fall i was trying to keep some1 from passing on some back roads and i ended spining out at 75 mph cause he caught the rear wheel causing it to lock up and throught me into a spinn with the driver of the other car that didnt know where his brake was and was pushing me off the road
i have spun the car out a 40 and got the controle right back without breaking a sweet
but a 75 was totaly different
and after all of that he took of leaving me with a flat and $1600 worth of damage
That has changed my prospective of street racing
i would rather be on the track

(Edited by my240likenoother at 12<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>6 am on Jan. 22, 2002)

[BEISSEN]

If you race on a highway/freeway what ever it may be cool but not for some others like others have said.I have no room to say don't race i do it all the time an rt1 and on the highway 495 or even 395 but i am not the safest always so yes in some of your eyes i am an ####### but hey when you are young you do things your are told not to.I do them usaly becase i was told not to,but I have been luckey so far but i have calmed down some now since i had 2 accident in the first three months of owning my car.I have replace the windshiled,and both lower control arms amd next is the hood,core support,passenger headlight,and front bumper and all reinforcemnets if neededbut none of these were from racing just to early in the mornig and getting scared with my first car.

[bing]

i dont know, when im with my girlfriend i dont really race, but at night, traffic or not if some one wants it, their getting it large,

i can live with taking another persons life if i dont know them and there is no punishment...

the way i see it, if every single person in the world i dont know died rigth now and it wasnt on TV i wouldnt ever find out or care,

####, &nbsp;if one of you guys died doin that shit in cali or where ever, i'd still attend classes and go to work the next day and i hope it is vice versa...

but no i dont want anything terrible to happen, but shit like this does happen...

want some wise words... if their were no great tragedy, then there could be no great happiness, one can not exist without the other.

And in response to some one who said &quot;what if you kill your parentS&quot; oddly enough it happened around here a few weeks ago, a street racer hit a car driven by his mom and granny, both dead, he lived...




(Edited by bing at 9:27 pm on Jan. 21, 2002)

[AJ]

okay,, man,, that is just morbid... i'm now scarred for life.. shit,,, and ur heartless! shiet man, i wouldn't race unless i thought i was only putting myself in danger.,. i'm not out there to get other people hurt.

[AJ]

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I have a huge problem with most people analogies, and view on road racing. How many geos have you passed on the highway doing 75 miles an hour? how many beat up pieces of shit that bounce all over the place are out there every day driving along at 65 miles an hour completely legally? A TON, all these beaters, eyesores, and smog failures are out there every day pushing there cars to the near limits. And they are not doing anything wrong TECHNICALLY in the eys of the law. I know for a FACT, I can push my 240 to 100 miles an hour and easily be as stable, as easily controlled and even more easily slowed down when need be. I am sorry, if you have a ferrari, you can do 120 milkes an hour and it will handle like a geo at 30 miles an hour, and stop almost as quick... I think that performace, racing, and speed are all relative to your automobile.. and should be treated as such. I think speed limits are in many ways ridiculous... I have watch people moving back and forth in there seat, coaxing there delapidated jalopies uphill, but would anyone truly ever say he was retarded for what he was doing... no not really, but if they found out I was doing 95 miles an hour on a back road #### straight they would point out to me the perils of speed... to all of them I say screw you. I have more of a chance of some idiot drunk drinver fuckin my life on the road, or some idiot in a broken down civic trying to push the limits of his car, then I do getting in an accident at above normal speeds. I am not saying speeding is right, just that nobody ever looks at speed the way that it should be.
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same here!!
but unfrotanty i had to learn the hard way last Fall i was trying to keep some1 from passing on some back roads and i ended spining out at 75 mph cause he caught the rear wheel causing it to lock up and throught me into a spinn with the driver of the other car that didnt know where his brake was and was pushing me off the road
i have spun the car out a 40 and got the controle right back without breaking a sweet
but a 75 was totaly different
and after all of that he took of leaving me with a flat and $1600 worth of damage
That has changed my prospective of street racing
i would rather be on the track

(Edited by my240likenoother at 12<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>6 am on Jan. 22, 2002)
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why were u trying to keep him from passing?.... that is kinda silly dawg.

[misnomer]

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. . .I think I hate you. . .

Anyhow, this whole argument on how your car going 120 is just as safe as a Geo going 65 is bullshit. Hit a pothole at 65, and your car bounces. Hit it at 120, and you will likely go airborne. Yes, a 240sx is a #### fine handling car, but niether the cars suspension or your reflexes will be quick enough at those speeds. Teenage boys are still by far the most likely demographic to be in auto accidents. That is due to this attitude that you have all the skills, and all the performance you need to handle anything. Every car has it's limits, people will sports cars WILL tend to push those limits moreso than people with typical cars.

Needless to say, I dissagree with your point 100%

[bing]

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. . .I think I hate you. . .

Anyhow, this whole argument on how your car going 120 is just as safe as a Geo going 65 is bullshit. Hit a pothole at 65, and your car bounces. Hit it at 120, and you will likely go airborne. Yes, a 240sx is a #### fine handling car, but niether the cars suspension or your reflexes will be quick enough at those speeds. Teenage boys are still by far the most likely demographic to be in auto accidents. That is due to this attitude that you have all the skills, and all the performance you need to handle anything. Every car has it's limits, people will sports cars WILL tend to push those limits moreso than people with typical cars.

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sorry guy...

[misnomer]

hehehe, no hard feelings :-)

[thewholefnshow]

Hate whoever you want. I am playing devils advocate, and I know you see my point even if you don't agree with it. And the only reason that teenagers get in the most accidents is because of a lack of experience and an over flow of random stupidity. Too impulsive.

[HippoSleek]

Wow - you guys should all come on down to the track with me next month. &nbsp;Obviously, I and other licensed racers could learn a great deal about car control from you :rolleyes:

First, the analogy of a Geo doing 75 and a 240 doing 120 being equal is BADLY flawed. &nbsp;1) stopping distance http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/driving/articles/43810/article.html
look at what it takes to get a car down from 90 mph (1/10th of a mile and almost 6 seconds). &nbsp;2) Handling (I've seen people almost loose it at speed from expansion joints, let alone potholes and other things that are not a problem at highway speeds). &nbsp;3) &nbsp;Relative speed. &nbsp;With your attitude, I'm sure you've seen the clips of Skylines buzzing past cars in Tokyo at triple their speed. &nbsp;Next time, take a note on how fast a car comes up in that shot! &nbsp;A Geo doing 75 is moving with or slightly faster than traffic... at 120 you are moving almost twice as fast. &nbsp;4) &nbsp;Protection. &nbsp;There must be a reason racers wear helmets and have rollcages despite how safe some think the modern car has become. &nbsp;Gee - maybe b/c engineers built cars to withstand near highway speed impacts. &nbsp;They do not design cars to protect you at the speeds you guys are talking.

The Autobahn myth and &quot;but my car is different.&quot; &nbsp;You ever hear of the drummer for Def Leppard (sp?). &nbsp;You know why he has one arm? &nbsp;Countach on the Autobahn. &nbsp;Performance car, performance road - he should have been safe, right? &nbsp;Otherwise, you'll note that the autobahn is a specially designed roadway for high speed travel. &nbsp;Next, there are very strict rules of the road. &nbsp;There are no relative speed problems because of the uniformly fast travel. &nbsp;Finally, a wreck there is assumed fatal - which is why many groups are lobbying for its removal.

But my 240 is a sports car... &nbsp;that stops in about the same distance as other cars and handles well. &nbsp;You, on the other hand, are a driver with very little training and, I suspect, little skill. &nbsp;You show me your competition license and maybe I'll respect you a bit more. &nbsp;If you can't, the only difference between you and that dad in the minivan w/ the kids is that at least he's been driving longer than you and likely has better control of his car.

I'll agree, however, that pops in the Caddy doing 20 in a 45 is a danger. &nbsp;Why? &nbsp;Thanks to relative speed - the same thing that many of you forget is a danger in street racing.

Don't care. &nbsp;Bing - I think you need some counseling and reflection on what is the law. &nbsp;Counseling b/c you seem to think that killing people has no effect on the people involved. &nbsp;I'd bet that the kid who killed his mother isn't as non-chalant as you are... and I bet you wouldn't be either if you were involved on the side of a victim or the offender. &nbsp;Many people die every day and we can't grieve for them all, but when those near us die or worse, die at our hands it is another story. &nbsp;As for the punishment - we had a kid around here go away for manslaughter for killing a lady backing out of her driveway while street racing. &nbsp;Study the law - that is the charge for killing someone while racing (willful indifference to a grave risk for human life).

As for the Hitler comment - it really wasn't too far off base. &nbsp;Part of Nazism was based on Neitsche's (sp) &quot;Superman&quot; principle. &nbsp;Basically, this meant that there were a chosen few who should be above the law. &nbsp;They should be able to kill at will and break the laws that weren't appropriate for their advanced intellect. &nbsp;Applied to this case, some of you think that laws designed to protect society shouldn't apply to you since you are a superior driver in a superior car. &nbsp;Get real!

I think some need to spend a bit less time reflecting on the Fast and the Furious and a bit more on being responsible.

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I should tell you. I do do around 90 miles an hour when I get out and about. But it is rare I do more. I think people have misinterpreted me as a #### raiser. Not at all. I live in montreal, It is gridlock most of the time. I do however wait until 2-3 in the morning and go out to the country side street and practice driving tequniques is about as safe an environment as I can, like those back roads, industrial parks and large vacant parking lots. And when I talk about braking I mean things like a Lincon Navigator doing 80-0 in 250 feet, and a corvette doing it in 140... that is what I mean. And that is true. In addition, that guy in the minivan (this was my point) in endangering the 4-5 lives in his vehicle, let alone everyone else, and in addition to that fact, he has a distraction that I do not, all those idiot kids... and to top it all of, #### sure he will have one of those fuckin baby on board stickers in his back windows. As for cornering, and driving period for that matter, I am off to autocross lessons in the spring, and practicing whenever I get a chance right now. I do agree with your saftey regulations etc. Rollcages, helmets etc.... I have drivien vans, trucks, cube vans, cars, you name it, if it has 4 wheels I have driven it, so I can draw a comparison of safe speeds in given vehicles... for instance, the front end of a 1995 pontiac trans port floats horribly at about 80, and if you are behind a truck you bounce all over the road, therefore imparing ability to steer, brake and a plethora of other simple driving funtions. While in my 240, 80 is a very comfertable cruise. I understand your point on fast driving, I am not a super advocate thereof, but I won't pretend I haven't pinged my rev limiter on a 3 lane highway that is clear as far as the eye can see... And as for the nazi comment... you are streching it. My point was that there are a lot of cars out there that make the actual legal speeds dangerous, forget about me doing 120, him at 75 is a danger in and of itself. That was my point. Don't take me out of context please.