Fake vs real NARDI stress test.

[tqstarburst]

I don't know if this has been posted before. The guys at Driftworks decided to do a funny test. I lol'd.
Fat guy bends fake Nardi steering wheel! - YouTube (http://youtu.be/SMxB4RpCDzA)

http://i54.tinypic.com/2nid837.jpg

Discuss.

EDIT: I suck at embedding the videos correctly, if someone could fix or post it right for me. Thanks.

[jesse_s13]

Lmfaoooooooo

[Forte EXE]

I think this is something everyone should definitely see. It's funny there are actually people out there who have those fake wheels.

[DJDANGER24]

I think this is something everyone should definitely see. It's funny there are actually people out there who have those fake wheels.
Yup, and even after seeing this shit they STILL wont go out and buy a new Genuine wheel. They go for the look just to fit in, pretty sad actually.

:wiggle: SAY NO TO KNOCKOFFS! :wiggle:

[niscur29]

ahahahahaha LOVE THE BOX COMPARISON...And people sell these fake ones on this very forum and other people pony up the money and actually buy them second hand!

[Phate]

Haha, funny dudes.

[R Drifter]

this is what i tell my friend with a cheepy ebay wheel, he's gonna slit his wrist one day if he gets in an accident

[fliprayzin240sx]

The fuck? Did they make that fake steering wheel out of soft boiled noodles?

But dont you want a soft steering wheel? So when your face slams into it, it wont hurt as much?!?! That's a winning idea right thur!!!!

[ezza]

driftworks made a video showing why buying fake is wrong

they sell rotas

the irony

also he is blatently putting loads of effort into fucking up the fake one, and pretending to put loads of force into trying to break the real one BLATENTLY.

fair enough buy fake buy twice but the video is just straight up annoying

[lflkajfj12123]

their knuckle kit is a knockoff too :)

[airhead]

fake nardi = FAT grip
real nardi = skinny grip

[ZilviaKid]

the price diference is negligible anyway.

plus its something you have in your face the whole time anyway.

totally worth spending an extra 100 to not feel like a cheap pile of shit

[thenooblet]

There

SMxB4RpCDzA

[tricky_ab]

the price diference is negligible anyway.

plus its something you have in your face the whole time anyway.

totally worth spending an extra 100 to not feel like a cheap pile of shit

Kids still won't get it...

[raz0rbladez909]

Can't wait til the guys that bought the cheap shit come in here to defend their purchase with classic lines like "it's just a steering wheel" and "I'd rather put my money towards drifting" etc etc etc....

[waxball88]

Yay this video confirms my belief that my momo is real. Even though it flexes just a little it never bends/gets out of shape. And it is a motherfucker to try and make it flex

[Hoffman5982]

driftworks made a video showing why buying fake is wrong

they sell rotas

the irony

also he is blatently putting loads of effort into fucking up the fake one, and pretending to put loads of force into trying to break the real one BLATENTLY.

fair enough buy fake buy twice but the video is just straight up annoying

Please shut the fuck up. Comparing this ebay wheel to Rotas is stupid. Yes, rota makes replica wheels, but they are pretty good quality. How do I know? Because 90% of the S-chassis community has them, and according to a recent thread, there are 91k 240's registered.

Back on topic. I saw this video a little while back. I laughed my ass off when it bent as he was sitting into the car. There should be some kind of safety law preventing people to sell this shit.

[wonpoo]

dont get bent outta shape...see what i did there???

and this is all DriftWOrks propaganda! DRIFTING IS A FASHION SHOW! and how much $$$ you got = how big ur Peen is...

i still want a nardi wheel though... :)

[tricky_ab]

Please shut the fuck up. Comparing this ebay wheel to Rotas is stupid. Yes, rota makes replica wheels, but they are pretty good quality. How do I know? Because 90% of the S-chassis community has them, and according to a recent thread, there are 91k 240's registered.

Back on topic. I saw this video a little while back. I laughed my ass off when it bent as he was sitting into the car. There should be some kind of safety law preventing people to sell this shit.

Wait what?

[Melonburst]

Having purchased an Ebay wheel a long time ago I can definitely vouch for the validity of the Driftworks video. They're very flexible and even more so when left in the car on a hot summer day. I purchased a Nardi Deep Corn wheel (350mm) from FRsport a while back and the thing is ridiculously rigid. It will not bend with anything short of a high speed crash.

Also, the whole Rota comparison is retarded. Although Rota is a knockoff company they still meet strict international standards when it comes to the quality of their wheels. They are decent cast wheels and are also track proven. I would never trade my VS-KF's for them but I don't blame people for purchasing them if they're on a budget.

These steering wheels are not quality controlled at all and do not meet any requirements.

[Matej]

How do wooden wheels fare in the fat guy test?
I want to see him get splinters.

[om3ga]

Lol, did you guys see this video

fake nardi review .wmv - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3Eq0ZBeTKY&feature=related)

[ILoveJDM]

my friend had a fake nardi in his teg

he left and we had to move his car at a party, so we pushed it, needless to say i use my nardi to grab onto when i push my own car, but his fake one folded - i just folded it back and never told him LOL

[BJManies]

I don't like how deep corn this is, I think I want more deep corn.

[Corbic]

the price diference is negligible anyway.

plus its something you have in your face the whole time anyway.

totally worth spending an extra 100 to not feel like a cheap pile of shit

The power of marketing.

People care more about the brand name then they do a about actual function or why those brands are respected in the first place.

If your two broke to buy a real Nardi, just get a Grant not some ebay Chinese shit. :duh:

[jesse_s13]

The power of marketing.

People care more about the brand name then they do a about actual function or why those brands are respected in the first place.

If your two broke to buy a real Nardi, just get a Grant not some ebay Chinese shit. :duh:

Exactly! I had a grant in my trans am

[Corbic]

Having purchased an Ebay wheel a long time ago I can definitely vouch for the validity of the Driftworks video. They're very flexible and even more so when left in the car on a hot summer day. I purchased a Nardi Deep Corn wheel (350mm) from FRsport a while back and the thing is ridiculously rigid. It will not bend with anything short of a high speed crash.

Also, the whole Rota comparison is retarded. Although Rota is a knockoff company they still meet strict international standards when it comes to the quality of their wheels. They are decent cast wheels and are also track proven. I would never trade my VS-KF's for them but I don't blame people for purchasing them if they're on a budget.

These steering wheels are not quality controlled at all and do not meet any requirements.


Rota's may be imitations, but they are not "counterfeits" people in the import community need to begin to get a better understanding of these terms.

"inexpensive", "Knock-Off", "Counterfeit" and "Clone".

[speedgod^s13]

The power of marketing.

People care more about the brand name then they do a about actual function or why those brands are respected in the first place.

If your two broke to buy a real Nardi, just get a Grant not some ebay Chinese shit. :duh:

Or, you can look around for a used Momo. They are always for sale, and a lot of the times real cheap.

[jamg]

Lol, did you guys see this video

fake nardi review .wmv - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3Eq0ZBeTKY&feature=related)

that's exactly what i though.

he actually puts a decent amount of force into trying to damage the wheel, but it's next to none.

fake or not, ass you see in that video, it still holds up. that one wheel the in the OP's video was probably messed with.

edit: lol. from that guys accent, he's definitely chinese. he's probably a big producer of those wheels. lolol

[sidewayz240]

that's exactly what i though.

he actually puts a decent amount of force into trying to damage the wheel, but it's next to none.

fake or not, ass you see in that video, it still holds up. that one wheel the in the OP's video was probably messed with.

No, it wont hold up. The load applied to the wheel in that video dosn't replicate 90% of the forces on the wheel when its bolted to a hub and actually in use. Totally useless testing. Plus the wheel is clearly bent after hes done, and that's the wheels strongest points hes using.

[EDacIouSX]

fake.... is so gay lol. i laugh all the time when my boss thinks fake is super legit and i cry at the same time.

[chiboy002]

Please shut the fuck up. Comparing this ebay wheel to Rotas is stupid. Yes, rota makes replica wheels, but they are pretty good quality. How do I know? Because 90% of the S-chassis community has them, and according to a recent thread, there are 91k 240's registered.

hey everybody, this is how you spew diarrhea from your mouths. How To Talk from Ass 101...

as much as i find this video amusing, it seems like the steering wheel is the extreme of cheap shit. I'm sure there are some fakes that can handle more abuse, but don't get me wrong - you cant beat the real deal

im just saying, take the video with a grain of salt.

[92SEric240sx]

Haha that video was pretty funny

[s13silvia_R]

Kids still won't get it...

especially the ones in our local forum.. :)

I rather run a custy nardi wheel over any fake shit that will in the long run will kill you when you're driving hard.

[EsChassisLove]

dont get bent outta shape...see what i did there???

and this is all DriftWOrks propaganda! DRIFTING IS A FASHION SHOW! and how much $$$ you got = how big ur Peen is...

i still want a nardi wheel though... :)

It's all about $$$ these days aint it


How do wooden wheels fare in the fat guy test?
I want to see him get splinters.

lawl thats a good question. The fakes are probably made of plywood.

especially the ones in our local forum.. :)

I rather run a custy nardi wheel over any fake shit that will in the long run will kill you when you're driving hard.

OR OR OR OR OR ORORORORORORRRRRRR


Cheap asses can run a very reliable stock wheel until they have enough money to buy a Nardi.

But no, we all gotta fucking fit in dont we?

PS-I rock rotas. Even got my center caps on them

[mattack69]

my friend had a fake nardi in his teg

he left and we had to move his car at a party, so we pushed it, needless to say i use my nardi to grab onto when i push my own car, but his fake one folded - i just folded it back and never told him LOL

^^well played sir. you are a scholar and a gentleman. :naughty:

as far as this old dirtworks vid... "engage gangsta lean"

[Corbic]

Or, you can look around for a used Momo. They are always for sale, and a lot of the times real cheap.

Are you saying that because you know a Momo is better than a grant, or are you saying that because thats a cheap way to get you a "name brand part"?

[280zx2by2]

I love how he's proving the quality of real name-brand steering wheel on an HKB hub...

['97 S14 SE Turbo]

What's wrong with a HKB hub?

[tricky_ab]

especially the ones in our local forum.. :)

I rather run a custy nardi wheel over any fake shit that will in the long run will kill you when you're driving hard.

Ugh don't remind me...I'm still waiting for the "my cheap crap is just as good as the real deal" fallout...

[jamg]

No, it wont hold up. The load applied to the wheel in that video dosn't replicate 90% of the forces on the wheel when its bolted to a hub and actually in use. Totally useless testing. Plus the wheel is clearly bent after hes done, and that's the wheels strongest points hes using.

you're doing it wrong. bolted in a hub and in use... you turn it left and right...

the amount of force of a person standing over it is greater than that of you turning it.

it's bent because he applied greater force by jumping on it with all his weight. and the way the steering wheel spokes are built. of course it's of cheaper quality, so it's bound to be a little damaged.

i weigh 185lbs @ 8% body fat, i guarantee i can do the same for any steering wheel that's built like that.

just look at the spokes and it's structure of how it's built. metals will bend with the right amount of pressure applied.

[speedgod^s13]

Are you saying that because you know a Momo is better than a grant, or are you saying that because thats a cheap way to get you a "name brand part"?

I'm saying that because, even if you buy a cheap Momo wheel used, it's still better quality than that crap they sell on Ebay. Yes, I do also believe that Momo is better than Grant.

[wonpoo]

i had a grant in my corolla hatch and it was cracked on one section so i took two pieces of steel washers and made an adapter and used it until i sold the car off...i miss my grant wheel it felt awesome...

what about the fake Nardi N.O.B. Replicas??? anyone have vids or pics of those???

im just curious...

still want an authentic Nardi Woodgrain....ugh! :P

[WERDdabuilder]

Yes, rota makes replica wheels, but they are pretty good quality. How do I know? Because 90% of the S-chassis community has them, and according to a recent thread, there are 91k 240's registered.



hmmmm....
looks at location....


ok that answers all my questions.

[EhrikETFG]

my friend has an ebay wheel in his hardbody, its not a nardi copy though its just a generic "drift" wheel, but it has been fine so far

[280zx2by2]

What's wrong with a HKB hub?
It is to Bell Works what that flimsy piece of tin with suede wrapped around it is to Nardi.

[ZilviaKid]

It is to Bell Works what that flimsy piece of tin with suede wrapped around it is to Nardi.
i split my hkb hub in half a few months ago

[jacobs13]

I can vouch for the shit steering wheel as well. I had one on my first car and my aunt moved it across the street for me and it got all twisted and bent since I had no power steering and she had to make a u turn. Learned my lesson early and the easy way.

[tricky_ab]

hmmmm....
looks at location....


ok that answers all my questions.

What? are you doubting his statistical prowess?!?!

[singlecamslam]

hmmmm....
looks at location....


ok that answers all my questions.

I'm not going to even look at that dudes location, but i'm going to guess its florida related.... Am i right? i didnt look.

That steering wheel looks like its made from one of those bread tie straps

[thefro526]

Suggestion:

When buying parts, you should invest the proper amount of money in components that when broken, could cause you to die instantly.

Just sayin'.

[!Zar!]

http://image.spreadshirt.com/image-server/image/composition/1209685/view/1/producttypecolor/63/type/png/width/190/height/190/florida-sucks_design.png

[murda-c]

this florida sucks campaign is hilarious

[tricky_ab]

this florida sucks campaign is serious business

There ya go...

[ezza]

im pretty sure rota started out making cheap copys, as 'reputable' as they may be now. I am by no means defending that cheap ass steerng wheel though

just sayin

[va240dude]

Everyone should see this! I got a knock off steering wheel used and saw how it bent already, saved up and bought a real Nardi classic, love it. Don't buy knock off steering wheels, period. Use your stock one, or get the real deal.

[sidewayz240]

you're doing it wrong. bolted in a hub and in use... you turn it left and right...

the amount of force of a person standing over it is greater than that of you turning it.

it's bent because he applied greater force by jumping on it with all his weight. and the way the steering wheel spokes are built. of course it's of cheaper quality, so it's bound to be a little damaged.

i weigh 185lbs @ 8% body fat, i guarantee i can do the same for any steering wheel that's built like that.

just look at the spokes and it's structure of how it's built. metals will bend with the right amount of pressure applied.

Then tell me, what kind of use of the wheel is he replicating by standing on it at that position? And the "bending" test he did at the end was totally useless becuase it wasn't bolted to a hub and most of his energy was focused on keeping the wheel stationary and not actually bending it.

When you test a product, you dont only test it for resistance to regular daily use, it has to be tested for when its stressed outside of its normal duty. For example in this situation, Impacts (crashes, punching, ect..), excessive force (loss of power steering, pushing car by steering wheel, using wheel to reposition yourself and so on...). Testing a product for its ability to withstand forces outside its normal use is just as important, if not more so than regular loads.

If any sort of force was applied to the top section of the wheel, it would bend like spagetti. Any sort of offset, multi-directional or irregular loading would ruin that wheel as we saw in the first video.

The wheels shit, stop trying to defend it.

[Melonburst]

Then tell me, what kind of use of the wheel is he replicating by standing on it at that position? And the "bending" test he did at the end was totally useless becuase it wasn't bolted to a hub and most of his energy was focused on keeping the wheel stationary and not actually bending it.

When you test a product, you dont only test it for resistance to regular daily use, it has to be tested for when its stressed outside of its normal duty. For example in this situation, Impacts (crashes, punching, ect..), excessive force (loss of power steering, pushing car by steering wheel, using wheel to reposition yourself and so on...). Testing a product for its ability to withstand forces outside its normal use is just as important, if not more so than regular loads.

If any sort of force was applied to the top section of the wheel, it would bend like spagetti. Any sort of offset, multi-directional or irregular loading would ruin that wheel as we saw in the first video.

The wheels shit, stop trying to defend it.

/Agree

I'm not really surprised at the quality of the product as much as the amount of people defending it.

[C. Anderson]

Real HKB hubs are actually pretty beefy, but all the ebay hubs come in boxes marked HKB.

[slowvia]

I have to say, Im actually quite surprised at how easy the counterfeit one bent! Im glad mine is real! And I did get mine on ebay, it was used and didnt cost that much more than the fake ones people are selling brand new on here. I think people just need to have a little patience and buy used. Thats how you can save money and still have good quality parts.

[WERDdabuilder]

What? are you doubting his statistical prowess?!?!

i like how thissnip throws out 90%/91k 240's registered also. searched google on how many 240s are registered and then went to the "pic thread" and counted how many users ride on rotas then bust out the calculator and did some number crunching.

[bladetech8]

Annnnnnd thats why I spent $300 on my genuine Nardi wheel. Fuck knockoffs, I do not support those cockbags..

['97 S14 SE Turbo]

It is to Bell Works what that flimsy piece of tin with suede wrapped around it is to Nardi.

i split my hkb hub in half a few months ago

Yeah the same thing happened to a good friend of mine a few years ago...

There ya go...

Real HKB hubs are actually pretty beefy, but all the ebay hubs come in boxes marked HKB.

Are you guys sure you have a real HKB? Real HKBs are pretty strong and pretty much the supplier for hubs in Japan. I have my HKB S14 hub for a long time without any issues, and am confident that it's a real HKB.

This is what a real HKB box looks like. Note the p/n tag.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/tyyap/CIMG6883.jpg

All those imitation tries to mimic the HKB box with the same green color design and style.

and before the Works Bell fan boys get worked up, I have a Gen 1 QR from when Works Bell did not offer steering wheel hubs.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/tyyap/CIMG6884.jpg

[!Zar!]

How in the world are you all breaking HKB hubs?

I mean MAYBE a momo hub if you are raging in the car.

['97 S14 SE Turbo]

They must've gotten fake HKBs...

[WERDdabuilder]

How in the world are you all breaking HKB hubs?

i believe people are referring to these ones

http://www.sonicmotor.com/v/vspfiles/photos/SW-HUB-2.jpg

"JDM Boss Kit"

yeah, they'll fall apart on you after in a week in the sun. i should know i have one.

['97 S14 SE Turbo]

That's as "HKB" as the "Nardi" from China...

[Howie Felter Snatch]

I don't like how deep corn this is, I think I want more deep corn.

ROFL, that had to be my favorite part of the video.. lol :picardfp:

[Hoffman5982]

i like how this nga throws out 90%/91k 240's registered also. searched google on how many 240s are registered and then went to the "pic thread" and counted how many users ride on rotas then bust out the calculator and did some number crunching.

I like how you're still focused on something from the 1st page

90% was more of a sarcastic guess to get the point across. 91k registered came from :http://zilvia.net/f/chat/410908-polk-data-vehicles-registered-us.html

Common sense would have helped you figure that one out. He's a pretty nice guy once you get to know him.

[TheRealSy90]

I want more deep corn.

That shit had me rolling!

[280zx2by2]

I have a HKB, hasn't broke, but its still a knock off of Bell Works regardless of the quality-errr well... strength.

[waxball88]

How in the world are you all breaking HKB hubs?

I mean MAYBE a momo hub if you are raging in the car.
I don't know. I was told i bought a momohub + QR, when i bought my wheel setup and i push my car uphill, over the lip of, and into my garage by the wheel. My hub/qr are fine/unbent.

[waxball88]

Why didn't we get to see a cut away version of the real nardi?
Ooops double post.

[Quail]

Why didn't we get to see a cut away version of the real nardi?


Buy a Nardi and cut it in half for us :)

[slowvia]

Buy a Nardi and cut it in half for us :)

:rofl:
Yeah thats just not gonna happen.

[waxball88]

Buy a Nardi and cut it in half for us :)

:rofl:
Yeah thats just not gonna happen.
.
I'm always down for some testing thats not on my dime :rofl:

[usdm180sx]

I like how you're still focused on something from the 1st page

90% was more of a sarcastic guess to get the point across. 91k registered came from :http://zilvia.net/f/chat/410908-polk-data-vehicles-registered-us.html

Common sense would have helped you figure that one out. He's a pretty nice guy once you get to know him.

LOL just because "90% of the s-chassis community has rotas" does not make them good quality. On the contrary, s-chassis owners buy rotas because they're CHEAP. I've seen rotas break on the track. They are not the best quality.

Didn't common sense tell you that? I thought he was a nice guy

['97 S14 SE Turbo]

I have a HKB, hasn't broke, but its still a knock off of Bell Works regardless of the quality-errr well... strength.

HKB has been around longer than Works Bell. And it is Works Bell, unless you have some knockoff called Bell Works...

[HyperTek]

Send this guy some fake bride seats vs real deal

[Corbic]

Send this guy some fake bride seats vs real deal

Oh irony considering Brides are Recaro knock-offs.

[Corbic]

LOL just because "90% of the s-chassis community has rotas" does not make them good quality. On the contrary, s-chassis owners buy rotas because they're CHEAP. I've seen rotas break on the track. They are not the best quality.

Didn't common sense tell you that? I thought he was a nice guy

All wheels break -

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7492/coleslay0174ek4.jpg

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp336/chris_p_batter/368517823.jpg

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp336/chris_p_batter/crackedwork.jpg\

[ZilviaKid]

for the record i know it was a real hkb, im pretty sure i just over torqued the bolt and it told me to fuck off.

[waxball88]

All wheels break -
. Can we please not get into this.
I will make a trip to my dads shop and take pictures of just about every single OEM wheel broken. (LKQ)
Seen plenty of fucked up 1k+ wheels too.
I took a curb with my rota's once, didn't bend/dent, they're 100% fine. My friend bent the barrel on his Blitz Technospeed's (still hold air) hitting a pothole...

Wheels break, and shit happens. Just because you spent 1k+ on wheels doesn't mean they are invincible. However at the end of the day if my friend can even FIND a technospeed or a barrel for that matter in the right size/offset, he can expect a heavy price tag and a long wait.
With my rotas i can have a new one within the week, for a reasonable price.

I do believe you get what you pay for, but some things make more sense for different people at different incomes.

[usdm180sx]

All wheels break -

Cheap quality wheels break sooner than good quality ones.

[usdm180sx]

Oh irony considering Brides are Recaro knock-offs.

That's not true. Recaro doesn't make anything like a Bride Gias. They did copy the gradation design which was originally from Recaro but that's about it.

[Corbic]

Cheap quality wheels break sooner than good quality ones.

Proof?

I'm not defending Rotos by any means. I'm just wishing people would try to use facts to back up their opinions.

[HyperTek]

i got your proof

I posted this a while back. Everything will break, legit parts just do a better job lasting longer.
accident to gram lights
much harder impact then that sissy lil pot hole *look it broke suspension!!

http://i56.tinypic.com/21cdzdz.jpg
http://i52.tinypic.com/v8ph92.jpg
^This might have been a rear wheel

Repaired and balanced to see another day *as here sitting on my old s13
curbage repair would have been extra..
http://i51.tinypic.com/fo385u.jpg

Rota would have shattered

[usdm180sx]

I saw a stress test online somewhere comparing a knock off wheel to a brand name wheel, I forgot the link and I'm too lazy to find it. It was either enkei or weds. Meh, I would never buy rotas anyway but that's just me.

*edit - Thanks Austin!

[Hoffman5982]

Rota would have shattered

I see no proof. You posted some pics of a fucked up wheel that was able to be fixed, then said rotas would have shattered and provided no proof.

USDM: I never said that because a shit ton of people have them makes them good quality. I never even said they are good quality. But if they did nothing but break so many people wouldn't have them. If you are comparing the quality of rotas to the ebay wheel in the op's video you are fucking high. I'm not the one that tried to start a rota debate so get off my dick

[usdm180sx]

Yes, rota makes replica wheels, but they are pretty good quality. How do I know? Because 90% of the S-chassis community has them, and according to a recent thread, there are 91k 240's registered.

You posted it yourself.

[WERDdabuilder]

I never said that because a shit ton of people have them makes them good quality. I never even said they are good quality.

sir....

Yes, rota makes replica wheels, but they are pretty good quality. How do I know? Because 90% of the S-chassis community has them, and according to a recent thread, there are 91k 240's registered.

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/7569/kobelol.png

once again...location fail.

[Hoffman5982]

I've only lived in Florida for a few months, so I'm not even a true floridian you incompetent jack ass.

What I meant was I never said they were high quality, like the name brand wheel they are copying. People are acting like I said if you buy some Rota Grids you get the exact same thing as you do when you buy Te37's. The TE's are going to be stronger and lighter, but Rotas are more than strong enough to handle dailt driving and even track use so long as you don't ram a curb with them.

[revcyanide]

lol these dude talked so much shit about someones "sub par" 2j wiring job, saying it was half assed, and then goes and defends rotas?

[Hoffman5982]

Look at my car. Tell me if you find rotas on it. Now please fuck off. My intention wasn't to defend rota. Someone compared the quality of the wheel in the video to rotas, which is stupid. Rotas aren't the best, but they aren't that shitty. I think all of the shit talkers here can agree on that. People jump to conclusions too easy.

And why are you quoting "sub par" like those are actual words that I said?

[scottie]

Dont hate the cheap "players" on here who buy fake. Hate Bill Clinton for signing the open trade agreement that made it lucrative for China/Taiwan based companies taking ideas, throwing pennies at sweat shops and shipping it to America.

Have any of you seen Idiocracy?

[illvialuver]

people put worse fake shit on their cars.

[illvialuver]

also 90% of the schassis community has rotas? Easily 90% of the people i know have an schassis and I can only think of one person that has rotas, and he is not even my friend he is just some dude that showed up to our weekly meet.

[Hoffman5982]

Try reading, I've already said that that(obviously) wasn't an accurate number. It was a sarcarstic guess to get my point across. You people take shit too fucking seriously I swear

[fatduece]

Please shut the fuck up. Comparing this ebay wheel to Rotas is stupid. Yes, rota makes replica wheels, but they are pretty good quality. How do I know? Because 90% of the S-chassis community has them. What you are implying is, because a lot of people choose to buy a particular part, it MUST mean it's good quality. That's like saying Honduh owners all buy quality parts. (when in fact, its all [email protected] shlt)

I don't like how deep corn this is, I think I want more deep corn. All you people talking about corn, sound like Chris Crocker. Go get your deep cornhole somewhere else.

All wheels break -

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7492/coleslay0174ek4.jpg

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp336/chris_p_batter/368517823.jpg I'm sorry, but there is no way that happened to those wheels from normal, or track driving. They definitely hit something, and that Nissan wheel, it looks like someone took a sawzall to it and tried to re barrel it, the Honduh way.

=Hoffman5982;4285101]I see no proof. You posted some pics of a fucked up wheel that was able to be fixed, then said rotas would have shattered and provided no proof.

USDM: I never said that because a shit ton of people have them makes them good quality. You didn't exactly say it, you were just implying it, but that's okay, because you are from Fl and FL fails hard.

[Hoffman5982]

Holy hell. Have you not been reading? I have covered that 3 times, but I'll cut it short for you. What I was implying was that because so many people have them, they must be decent. If they did nothing but break all the time, there wouldn't be near as many people with them. It's not just the schassis community, pretty all import communities have a large amount of people rocking rotas. You guys are taking this way out of context and twisting my words way too much.

[DJDANGER24]

I've only lived in Florida for a few months, so I'm not even a true floridian you incompetent jack ass.

How is he being incompetent? It doesn't say "just moved to FL a few months ago" on your location :mepoke:

[Hoffman5982]

....Does it really matter? They're acting like because I currently live in Florida I have no clue what I am talking about. Like geography has any effect on how much I know. Did you really just ask me that?

[teh smithers]

Guys, really.

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[DJDANGER24]

....Does it really matter? They're acting like because I currently live in Florida I have no clue what I am talking about. Like geography has any effect on how much I know. Did you really just ask me that?
Yea, i just did. Need me to quote it for you? First you say they are good quality...then you say you never said they were good quality...then you end it with "i meant to say they weren't high quality." Well, which is it? In all seriousness, it doesnt matter cause knockoffs suck and will never be good enough for anything but paper weights.

[KOUKIboy]

Lol at the box "almost" being the same lmao.. Like the old saying says "you get what you paid for", if you buy knock offs thats what you gonna get cheap low quality pieces of shit!!!
LOL ganstah lean test, that was awesome!!!!!!!!

[ezza]

hoffman:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ze5-XzyMZqY/TZPTbiuDa4I/AAAAAAAAAG0/e6t526R6ZAE/s1600/exploding_head_.jpg

[Tantwoforty]

oh hi real vs fake bitchfest thread number 3892042094820958209040342

[Hoffman5982]

What you asked me had nothing to do with that but I've alrrady vlarified myself on it. If you're are incapable of reading and understanding then thats your own problem. You guys have stretched this way off topic

[Hoffman5982]

So that we can end this stupid circle jerk you guys have going on I'm going to reiterate my original, easy to understand point. Comparing this eBay wheel to rotas is a poor comparison. Comparing it to the $200 eBay turbos is a better comparison. Rotas don't bend and break as soon as you set the weight of the car on them so they hold just a tad bit higher quality over the eBay nardi steering wheel, but not as high as name brand wheels. For a forum where most of you get mad at people asking to be spoon fed, I just had to spoon fed the hell out of you because you are too fucking stupid to understand plain English

[DJDANGER24]

So that we can end this stupid circle jerk you guys have going on I'm going to reiterate my original, easy to understand point. Comparing this eBay wheel to rotas is a poor comparison. Comparing it to the $200 eBay turbos is a better comparison. Rotas don't bend and break as soon as you set the weight of the car on them so they hold just a tad bit higher quality over the eBay nardi steering wheel, but not as high as name brand wheels. For a forum where most of you get mad at people asking to be spoon fed, I just had to spoon fed the hell out of you because you are too fucking stupid to understand plain English
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ROTA's still suck

[Melonburst]

They are the same quality as MB wheels or any other low cost cast wheel.

[Hoffman5982]

I'm not beating a dead horse. I'm trying to get you dumb fucks to stop twisting my words.

Melonburst, you said the same exact thing I said on the first page. Why did everyone decide to jump on my dick over it??

[revcyanide]

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/florida.gif

fixed that for you.

[ILoveJDM]

^^ that is soo good

[Hoffman5982]

Because where I've lived for only a matter of months has a major impact on what I know.

[tricky_ab]

I'm not beating a dead horse. I'm trying to get you dumb fucks to stop twisting my words.

Melonburst, you said the same exact thing I said on the first page. Why did everyone decide to jump on my dick over it??

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[Danial]

Back on topic. I saw this video a little while back. I laughed my ass off when it bent as he was sitting into the car. There should be some kind of safety law preventing people to sell this shit.

This. :tardrim:

[!Zar!]

It comes down to pride.

That's the biggest difference between Rota and Work.

Some people are 100% content walking around with a knock-off LV purse, while others aren't.

Both get the job done right.

Only difference is the person with the real deal has a higher sense of integrity.

[Hoffman5982]

http://images.wikia.com/potcoplayers/images/4/47/Meme_-_Clapping.gif

Now please, let this shit end.

[Danial]

The difference is more like, why not use a stock wheel and replace something in your ghetto-rigged engine bay.

Half assing what NEEDS to be fixed and buying a nice wheel.

In a car I bought this summer the previous owner had actually instead of replacing the injectors just changed the idle speed......

Personally, unless i had a built car I would be embarrassed to have a Nardi. Then again where I come from spending $300 on the steering wheel when I dont even break 14 seconds on a 1/4 mile is called rice...

[simmode1]

Only difference is the person with the real deal has a higher sense of materialism.
Fixed that for you.

[!Zar!]

Fixed that for you.

If you are purchasing a knockoff that means you have a lower sense of integrity vs the person purchasing the original product.

Same goes for why people would rather own a real iphone vs a china iphone.

[Danial]

Pretty sure iphones are made in china......

Edit: They're made in Taiwan

[waxball88]

It comes down to pride.

That's the biggest difference between Rota and Work.

Some people are 100% content walking around with a knock-off LV purse, while others aren't.

Both get the job done right.

Only difference is the person with the real deal has a higher sense of integrity.
Just curious what your opinion is on people who have say some works, most likely flush, but their car looks like asshole; eg, mixed body kit/unpainted. Or multi color stock body?

I think pride is the wrong word in this case to be using. I have pride in my vehicle. I have done everything from body work to building the engine, but i chose to get rota's. I spent the majority of my money on engine, suspension, etc. I also have greater plans for my car that can be obtained easier by not spending an astronomical amount of money on wheels. Should i be rocking stockers with my bodykit til i can spend money that in my mind will never be justifiable on wheels?
It comes down a lot to budget, and priorities. If your car is clean and you have the cash, do your boss thing and buy some expensive wheels, but i don't wanna hear a single word out of your mouth when one gets scratched/bent/whatever.

Also, the Louis V reference doesn't work exactly the same way. You are trying to appear to have means/socioeconomic status beyond your means, it flaunts the logo of something it is not. It claims to be the real deal when it is not.
My rotas say rota on them. I don't have stickers on them that say "Nismo" I do not tell people they are nismo wheels. They serve their purpose, my purpose, at a price point that works for me in my current situation, while giving me a style that stock options can not offer. If i bend a rota, curb one doing something, or something happens to them beyond my control, i'm not going to sweat it.
I'm not arguing they are better than a work/volk, SSR, etc. wheel. But to say NO YOU CAN'T PLAY CAR BECAUSE KNOCK-OFF is a very elitist mentality, which seems to come with many in this comunity that have boss wheels.

When you're at a meet and a clean car thats well put together, and what have you but is on rotas. Do you just scoff at such a person?
Then a guy pulls in behind him with a half primered, turn signal missing, zip tie lip, and some VS-KF's is he "legit"?

[Cheesy Doriftos]

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[!Zar!]

Just curious what your opinion is on people who have say some works, most likely flush, but their car looks like asshole; eg, mixed body kit/unpainted. Or multi color stock body?

I think pride is the wrong word in this case to be using. I have pride in my vehicle. I have done everything from body work to building the engine, but i chose to get rota's. I spent the majority of my money on engine, suspension, etc. I also have greater plans for my car that can be obtained easier by not spending an astronomical amount of money on wheels. Should i be rocking stockers with my bodykit til i can spend money that in my mind will never be justifiable on wheels?
It comes down a lot to budget, and priorities. If your car is clean and you have the cash, do your boss thing and buy some expensive wheels, but i don't wanna hear a single word out of your mouth when one gets scratched/bent/whatever.

Also, the Louis V reference doesn't work exactly the same way. You are trying to appear to have means/socioeconomic status beyond your means, it flaunts the logo of something it is not. It claims to be the real deal when it is not.
My rotas say rota on them. I don't have stickers on them that say "Nismo" I do not tell people they are nismo wheels. They serve their purpose, my purpose, at a price point that works for me in my current situation, while giving me a style that stock options can not offer. If i bend a rota, curb one doing something, or something happens to them beyond my control, i'm not going to sweat it.
I'm not arguing they are better than a work/volk, SSR, etc. wheel. But to say NO YOU CAN'T PLAY CAR BECAUSE KNOCK-OFF is a very elitist mentality, which seems to come with many in this comunity that have boss wheels.

When you're at a meet and a clean car thats well put together, and what have you but is on rotas. Do you just scoff at such a person?
Then a guy pulls in behind him with a half primered, turn signal missing, zip tie lip, and some VS-KF's is he "legit"?

I agree, I initially said pride, but as stated towards the end of that post, it ended up being more so a comment towards integrity. I'm sure if you read my prior posts with integrity in mind, you may better understand where I'm coming from.

My comment was towards LV as a brand. I'm not sure if you are aware or not, but not every bag has, 'LV print'. So my comparison to them holds true. And that comparison is knowingly purchasing an inferior product in terms of development and legitimacy when fully knowing that it is a knockoff.


You are starting to compare shitty cars and mods vs shitty builds and quality parts. That also means you have gotten off track in terms of arguing what I initially commented towards.

Individuals that purchase Rota / XXR / Varrstoen are more than likely knowingly purchasing wheels that are knockoffs of higher end wheels.

That makes them no different than someone rocking knockoff suits, shoes, wheels, phones, ect.

That is due to having lower integrity than the other person.

I'll humor your shitty built car with quality parts comment and say more times than not a person who is spending a higher amount of money will more than likely build a nice car. So while the shitty looking car on rota's will look the same thing ages down the road, the shitty looking car on vs-kf's will eventually turn into something rad sooner than later.

Foot notes: Being cheap with wheels means you will probably be cheap elsewhere. Using Rota's is no different than a china iphone. The more money you spend, the higher chances are for greater results.

[Corbic]

Foot notes: Being cheap with wheels means you will probably be cheap elsewhere. Using Rota's is no different than a china iphone. The more money you spend, the higher chances are for greater results.

iPhones are made in china numb nuts. Just like someone with Rotas may "have no pride"; someone with all brand name parts is a "brand snob" on a "moms credit card build" whose entire knowledge of tuning is derived from what magazines tell him and the forum FAQ shows.

At that point it's not about reliable parts that perform, but simply making a fashion statement with accessories that get you the most attention.

[usdm180sx]

someone with all brand name parts is a "brand snob" on a "moms credit card build" whose entire knowledge of tuning is derived from what magazines tell him and the forum FAQ shows.

At that point it's not about reliable parts that perform, but simply making a fashion statement with accessories that get you the most attention.

Well that's a dumb statement. There ARE people who do research and work hard to buy their own parts. They buy brand name parts because they ARE in fact the best for what their goals are, NOT because they are a particular brand.

[waxball88]

Ah, i believe you've clarified a few points.
But i feel, however, me buying rotas does not diminish my integrity, when it comes to my minimal amount of money, there are priorities that must be met. Rota's being "replicas" (though we all know they are not exact) offer a more economical option then an expensive set of wheels, we must also remember that money does NOT buy taste or style. Rota's DO NOT claim to be something they are not. Independently tested, their own label.
Also LV or coach for that matter HAVE LABELS, that identify them as that brand. Which imitations have, i believe this to be unethical, and that someone supporting them has diminished their integrity by purchasing them.

The argument purposed in order to be valid should apply to all situations, correct? So the same could be said for bread even.

Do you refuse to shop at wal-mart due to their business practices, even though their prices are low and you are broke? Or do you support the ma/pa grocery?
This would be an example of a person with less integrity. They have waved their morals in favor of their own well being. So in effect, i could call anyone with expensive wheels a hypocrit/bigot if they shop at Wal-Mart or purchase "lower quality" or cheaper goods.

Also it was a CLEAN car with rotas, or a SHITTY car with works. ;)
Also; I'm not trying to start the typical zilvia shit storm that turns into "HERP DERP ur wrong b/c"

[!Zar!]

iPhones are made in china numb nuts. Just like someone with Rotas may "have no pride"; someone with all brand name parts is a "brand snob" on a "moms credit card build" whose entire knowledge of tuning is derived from what magazines tell him and the forum FAQ shows.

At that point it's not about reliable parts that perform, but simply making a fashion statement with accessories that get you the most attention.

I know you are smarter than you are trying to portray, and you know damn well what I am talking about.

An actual Apple Iphone that a company spent millions of dollars developing both electronically and physically, versus a generic Chinese knockoff. The Chinese company did nothing more than copy another companies (Apple) product and start selling it for cheaper since the overhead cost is nothing compared to the original (Apple) designer.

As I said prior, a person that KNOWINGLY buys inferior products that are knockoffs has lower integrity than the person who purchased a product from a legitimate source.

A knockoff is still a knockoff, anyone that tries to tell me Rota doesn't knockoff another companies wheels simply because they don't have stickers on there is full off bullshit.

[waxball88]

A. A person with integrity does not buy knock offs.
B.. A person buys a known knock off
C. Therefore, that person forfeits their integrity
Your argument is situational, therefore it is invalid?

Wonderbread was the first company to sell sliced bread
You don't buy wonderbread
Therefore you have forfeited your integrity.
(Many examples can be drawn drawn this)

What it comes down to is economies of scale. Work/volk make crazy money on their wheels, not everyone can afford them, it is a luxury wheel. Where as rota could be considered a normal wheel, and they sell many units.
Economics/income elasticity come into play. They govern what is bought and how much is sold.

At the end of the day, it will come down to the individual, income, priorities. Which is why you'll have to agree "To each their own" You don't have to buy it, you don't have to like it, you don't have to accept it as right.
You'll have to accept that natural selection will take its course. Someone that buys that steering wheel will die in an accident, or is more likely to at least.

Also if Rotas slip beyond safety standards that results in injury to someone, you best believe they're going down quick, til then, cheers.

[!Zar!]

Your Wonderbread comment doesn't hold true. Now if Wonderbread INVENTED the machine that sliced bread machine, then you might have something.

Now if good ol Rota sold a bread slicing machine that stole the concept / idea from the originators, then it would be a knockoff.

Walmart? Eh, I don't shop there, but I do recall them selling, 'name brand stuff' as well as replica stuff. Both private as well as corporate businesses are purchasing through legitimate vendors, so that doesn't hold up as well.

Modding cars is a luxury, not a right. As I stated prior, cost comes down to R&D, and materials. So if a company designs a new wheels and tests it and whatever, their costs are going to be higher than a company that comes along and effectively just makes a mold and copies all the work somebody else did. Wasn't it Alpina or some BMW affiliated company that was confiscating wheels replica wheels and destroying them?

People wouldn't hate on Rota, XXR, Varrstoen if they came out with ORIGINAL ideas, but they in fact are not.

[WERDdabuilder]

zar, you'll never get across to these people.

china iphone knockoff = real iphone cause its made in "china"?

http://www.firedaboswinney.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/cmonman.png

['97 S14 SE Turbo]

I have fake Rotas. What does that make me?

[tricky_ab]

I have fake Rotas. What does that make me?


You like to add fuel to the fire?

[!Zar!]

Just like how one calls a generic knockoff and uses the term, 'ebay brand' as an umbrella term, same could be said for, 'china iphone'. Type china iphone in google, and some links back will talk about clones.

The original Apple Iphone
http://www.iphoneunlocks.info/wp-content/uploads/iphone-2g.jpg

The C-002, which looks to be a near copy of the Apple product. (China Iphone)
http://www.geekologie.com/2008/02/06/fake-iphone.jpg

And yet another 'china iphone' with a slight change.
http://i.fosfor.se/i07/070527_2.jpg

[!Zar!]

Since you all are all for replicas that look/function just like the real thing, where do you stand with Transgender women?

I mean they got a vag and tits. Looks just like the real thing?

Fuckit, might as well. Right?

[WERDdabuilder]

Since you all are all for replicas that look/function just like the real thing, where do you stand with Transgender women?

I mean they got a vag and tits. Looks just like the real thing?

Fuckit, might as well. Right?

can we both agree that pussy is pussy?








































oh we smashin.

[FaLKoN240]

This thread has made me LOL super hard.

As for people that can't the difference between a legit iphone and a china made one?

Get the fuck outta here.

Flip phone using cavemen.

You all would probably buy your kids these shitty ass toys too and be ok with it.

The 15 Most Unintentionally Hilarious Bootleg Toys | Cracked.com (http://www.cracked.com/article_19056_the-15-most-unintentionally-hilarious-bootleg-toys.html)

http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/2/2/4/46224.jpg?v=1

[!Zar!]

I'm shocked this thread has gone 139 posts and Hoffman5982 nor waxball88 have resorted to calling me a, 'hater' yet.

In other news, Hoffman5982 and waxball88 are both from Florida.

jussayin

[Hoffman5982]

iPhones are made in china numb nuts. Just like someone with Rotas may "have no pride"; someone with all brand name parts is a "brand snob" on a "moms credit card build" whose entire knowledge of tuning is derived from what magazines tell him and the forum FAQ shows.

At that point it's not about reliable parts that perform, but simply making a fashion statement with accessories that get you the most attention.

Thank you for taking the attention off of me.

[Hoffman5982]

I'm shocked this thread has gone 139 posts and Hoffman5982 nor waxball88 have resorted to calling me a, 'hater' yet.

In other news, Hoffman5982 and waxball88 are both from Florida.

jussayin

Why would I call you a hater? We're all entitled to our own opinions. My original statement wasn't trying to defend rota in any way shape or form, I was just telling someone that their comparison was stupid and it blew up from there.

[revcyanide]

Thank you for taking the attention off of me.

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[revcyanide]

zar, you hater you.

[Corbic]

I know you are smarter than you are trying to portray, and you know damn well what I am talking about.

An actual Apple Iphone that a company spent millions of dollars developing both electronically and physically, versus a generic Chinese knockoff. The Chinese company did nothing more than copy another companies (Apple) product and start selling it for cheaper since the overhead cost is nothing compared to the original (Apple) designer.

As I said prior, a person that KNOWINGLY buys inferior products that are knockoffs has lower integrity than the person who purchased a product from a legitimate source.

A knockoff is still a knockoff, anyone that tries to tell me Rota doesn't knockoff another companies wheels simply because they don't have stickers on there is full off bullshit.

I'm being facetious but we are on the same page for the most part.

My biggest problem with Rotas is the fact they somehow have become a "Brand" and have doubled in price over the last few years. I'd much rather (and did) buy Brand new Enkie RP1s in the exact size I wanted (18x9, 18x11 +10) than some garbage Torques for the SAME FUCKING PRICE but are 18x8 +18 or some shit.

That is what I don't get about Rota. If your dropping $1,000 you can get any number of good fitting, quality, name brand wheels used. XXR might as well not exist.


I'm rocking OEM Mustang GT (i believe 17x8 +15). That shit fits and looks better than any "knock off".. giving me all the time in the world to save that $600-900 and put that toward a set of wheels I really want (Eurolines, AV-5, Blitz 03 or Cerberus).

[WERDdabuilder]

That is what I don't get about Rota. If your dropping $1,000 you can get any number of good fitting, quality, name brand wheels used. XXR might as well not exist.


one word....

fanboys.

and this has all happened within the last 2yrs or so. im sure you've all noticed the flood of new 240 owners on zilvia with practically the same modding "style".

[slowvia]

Knock offs dont always suck...
PROOF-
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/photopost/data/3232/medium/441967-Ford-Mustang-white-girls-canoe.jpg
http://www.jdmlegends.com/sales/images/carLG/73%20ta27/9_22_10%20100.JPG



...But they generally do...

[FaLKoN240]

I'm rocking OEM Mustang GT (i believe 17x8 +15). That shit fits and looks better than any "knock off".. giving me all the time in the world to save that $600-900 and put that toward a set of wheels I really want (Eurolines, AV-5, Blitz 03 or Cerberus).

Last I checked Mustang GT wheels were all 17x8 +30. :P
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a163/FaLKoN240/White%20Car/Hardparked001.jpg

I been there homie.

For the newbs:

Also, in that pic I had a Nardi Deep cone I bought USED. My car looked like shit in that pic, but it looks cooler than a lot of the crap cars you see now and that's 6 years ago.

What's YOUR excuse?

[waxball88]

I'm shocked this thread has gone 139 posts and Hoffman5982 nor waxball88 have resorted to calling me a, 'hater' yet.

In other news, Hoffman5982 and waxball88 are both from Florida.

jussayin
I'm from georgia?

I'm not going to resort to calling you a hater, as stated its your opinion and you're entitled to it.

You failed to really make a solid/valid argument, at least on the integrity ground, you slid down the line of what you "meant".
The example i made was perfectly fine as intellectual property, or an idea, is equally as applicable as material invention. It's funny how closely CCW wheels resemble BBS's, but no one seems to care because CCW's are expensive. Nismo's lmgt4 or rota's p45r, also has an eerily similar wheel made by BEE*R, but again, no one seems to care.
There are only so many ways you can make a 5 spoke wheel. If someone went ahead and patented a 5 spoke wheel and that was the only one you could buy i bet you'd be pissed the fuck off, but that is not the case, its a free market. Expensive wheels cater to people with money, rota's cater to people with less expendable cash.
I bet an economist or a investor would call you a MORON for having 1k+ wheels or even $500 wheels on a $1500 18+ year old car. What's your justification to that person? They don't seem where you are coming from.
To each their own

EDIT: To Zar, i appreciate your opinions and input. I'm glad you didn't result to Ad Hominem tactics, as 90% of these arguments go.

[revcyanide]

I'm from georgia?

gainesville = Florida.

makes sense why youd mix those up you know, getting it that close is pretty damn good geography for someone from florida.

[waxball88]

gainesville = Florida.

makes sense why youd mix those up you know, getting it that close is pretty damn good geography for someone from florida.
Oreally
The Official Site of the City of Gainesville, Georgia (http://www.gainesville.org/)

[treken2t87]

Used quality parts > brand new knockoff parts.

Anybody can buy knockoff parts. What is the point in showing them off online, or at a car meet? Save up the extra money so you have something worth mentioning...

[Hoffman5982]

Oreally
The Official Site of the City of Gainesville, Georgia (http://www.gainesville.org/)

Get fucked.

[revcyanide]

Oreally
The Official Site of the City of Gainesville, Georgia (http://www.gainesville.org/)

meh i was wrong, i definitly wouldnt brag about georgia, its only slightly better than flordia


Because of its large number of poultry processing plants, it is often called the chicken capital of the world.

[Hoffman5982]

Who the fuck cares about where people live? You fucking live in Colorado. Big deal!

[!Zar!]

So what came first, Gainesville FL, or Gainesville Ga... One of them is clearly a knockoff.

[Corbic]

So what came first, Gainesville FL, or Gainesville Ga... One of them is clearly a knockoff.

Gainesville Alabama!!

[Corbic]

I bet an economist or a investor would call you a MORON for having 1k+ wheels or even $500 wheels on a $1500 18+ year old car. What's your justification to that person? They don't seem where you are coming from.


These are $1,500 cars?
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/0622c535.jpg


You also missed mine, and others points. Why WASTE $500 on horrid fitting XXR wheels or $900 on Rotas when $1-1,200 typically gets you VERY nice wheels?

Also buying used OEM wheels is hella cheap. Mustang and BMW pull offs are everywhere and you can score 16, 17 and 18 inch wheels with good tires for $2-300 all day long.

Lastly, wheels are not a "bad investment" when bought used. $1,000 Eurolines or $150 Mustang GTs are not going to drop in value and they are something that can be parted out in a heart beat.

*adapters needed for BMWs

[revcyanide]

Who the fuck cares about where people live? You fucking live in Colorado. Big deal!

And I am a better person for it.

[raz0rbladez909]

Bottom line is shitty parts suck, if you like shitty parts you suck. Thank you ;)

[Persona]

You guys sound so dumb, go buy rotas and shitty steering wheels. Its just upping the value of my florida car.

[tqstarburst]

This thread went from steering wheels, to rota's to florida sucks.

[280zx2by2]

This thread went from steering wheels, to rota's to florida sucks.
Thats the typical progression of any thread on here.

[Hoffman5982]

And I am a better person for it.

You do realize that you're the only on carrying that joke on right? You're that annoying kid that hears the cooler kids using some term or joke and you start using it so much that it is no longer funny and everyone is just wishing you'd shut the fuck up. Zar and the other guys, who were all probably there when the joke started, have already moved on from it in this thread, but you are still here carrying it on like it's still funny. It's not, you are just coming off as stupid.

[DJDANGER24]

I'm not beating a dead horse. I'm trying to get you dumb fucks to stop twisting my words.

Melonburst, you said the same exact thing I said on the first page. Why did everyone decide to jump on my dick over it??
this is why everyone keeps fucking with you, you sound like a whining baby who wont shut the fuck up :wackit:

[revcyanide]

You do realize that you're the only on carrying that joke on right? You're that annoying kid that hears the cooler kids using some term or joke and you start using it so much that it is no longer funny and everyone is just wishing you'd shut the fuck up. Zar and the other guys, who were all probably there when the joke started, have already moved on from it in this thread, but you are still here carrying it on like it's still funny. It's not, you are just coming off as stupid.
You are still getting pissed off at it and trying to make me mad.


Therefore it is working to it's full effect.



*edit, fixed mah gramma

[DJDANGER24]

You are still getting pissed off at it and trying to make me mad.
therefor it is working to it's full effect.

I still think its funny :drama:

[soreballz]

You do realize that you're the only on carrying that joke on right? You're that annoying kid that hears the cooler kids using some term or joke and you start using it so much that it is no longer funny and everyone is just wishing you'd shut the fuck up. Zar and the other guys, who were all probably there when the joke started, have already moved on from it in this thread, but you are still here carrying it on like it's still funny. It's not, you are just coming off as stupid.
Seriously man, just brush it off. You sound like a bitch.

[280zx2by2]

ITT: Florida is the new cool.

[Psychomoongoose]

This only makes me think that there should be a Florida Sucks thread

[ZilviaKid]

This only makes me think that there should be a Florida Sucks thread
i think its implied

pretty much the only place americans hate more then canada and mexico

[ezza]

LOL, this thread is now a joke, thanks hoffman

I actually would prefer this :s

http://www.jdmlegends.com/sales/images/carLG/73%20ta27/9_22_10%20100.JPG

[waxball88]

This thread is now about boats.
http://i.imgur.com/PMGxa.jpg

[teh smithers]

Real boats only. No knock-offs.
http://i55.tinypic.com/158020h.jpg

[fatduece]

Used quality parts > brand new knockoff parts.

Anybody can buy knockoff parts. What is the point in showing them off online, or at a car meet? Save up the extra money so you have something worth mentioning...What if you're not showing off? You know...not everyone has an ego problem.

[usdm180sx]

Used quality parts > brand new knockoff parts.

Anybody can buy knockoff parts. What is the point in showing them off online, or at a car meet? Save up the extra money so you have something worth mentioning...

^THIS is my philosophy. For example, I got my kei office xr coilovers bnib for $600 (They went for $2k brand new when they were still being made), My HKS FCon VPro for $100 (Lists for $1400), my cusco roll cage for $200 (Don't know the list, $700?), brand new tomei 740cc injectors and greddy valve springs for $550 (Tomei's go for $650 and the valve springs go for $220) and my wheels custom made and refinished for $1500 ($2400 new). It's not impossible, it just takes patience. I bought these parts from the experience of building my s14. They ARE brand name BUT they do the best job and with peace of mind.

So what came first, Gainesville FL, or Gainesville Ga... One of them is clearly a knockoff.

I LOL'd

Thats the typical progression of any thread on here.

I LOL'd again

[Corbic]

What if you're not showing off? You know...not everyone has an ego problem.

Part of being a man is having patience and pride in ones work.

Neither are shown when you run out to buy a low quality part made by an economic system that is destroying small businesses and the middle-class life style.

[murda-c]

knockoff boat...
http://chivethebrigade.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/bad-500-0.jpg

[waxball88]

Part of being a man is having patience and pride in ones work.

Neither are shown when you run out to buy a low quality part made by an economic system that is destroying small businesses and the middle-class life style.
But you're going to buy CrimsonRocket's replica AKA KNOCK OFF type x lip eh?
You've succumbed to economics. In a sense crimson rocket is rota, he is capitalizing on a niche in the market. You want a type x lip, but you aren't going to pay 500+(idk how much they cost) to have one imported from japan, right? No, you want a cheap FRP replica of something that will probably get messed up (like wheels) so you aren't too butt hurt when something happens.
Wait, what? When can I get one? How munch?!!!

Hats off to Crimson, do your thing, make that money. Give the people what they want.

We are all people, and by nature we are going to pursue our personal interests.


As i tried to do before with the boat thing, i'm done with the whole this or that. It just made me chuckle a little when i saw your post in the kouki aero thread.

[Corbic]

But you're going to buy CrimsonRocket's replica AKA KNOCK OFF type x lip eh?


Got a link to where I can buy a New OEM lip?


News flash Ballwax, Nissan stopped making the lips. You either pay retarded shipping to get a fiberglass one or retarded money fora torn up used one.

This is why it's a "replica" and not a "knock off". Crimson is not out u der-cutting the creator but simply provide a product that is no longer made.

It's like taking a girl, spending $100 on a date and banging her afterwards or just calling one up and paying her $100 to bang. One is Girlfriend, the other a prostitute.

[waxball88]

Got a link to where I can buy a New OEM lip?


News flash Ballwax, Nissan stopped making the lips. You either pay retarded shipping to get a fiberglass one or retarded money fora torn up used one.

This is why it's a "replica" and not a "knock off". Crimson is not out u der-cutting the creator but simply provide a product that is no longer made.

It's like taking a girl, spending $100 on a date and banging her afterwards or just calling one up and paying her $100 to bang. One is Girlfriend, the other a prostitute.
What happened to the patience and waiting thing that real men have? Can't wait for a barn find good condition lip?
Part of being a man is having patience and pride in ones work.

Neither are shown when you run out to buy a low quality part made by an economic system that is destroying small businesses and the middle-class life style.

[Corbic]

What happened to the patience and waiting thing that real men have? Can't wait for a barn find good condition lip?

Oh I know! Maybe I should just wait till Nissan re-releases the S13 again and sells them in the US!!

Seriously there Dudley, you are sounding like a real bitch. Grow the fuck up with your "a ha gotcha bullshit".

You want some XXRs slammed on Godspeed coils, I wont stop you.

[revcyanide]

http://thumbs.myopera.com/sz/colx/minigamer1896/albums/576508/I%20love%20this%20thread%20SO%20MUCH.jpg

[raz0rbladez909]

But you're going to buy CrimsonRocket's replica AKA KNOCK OFF type x lip eh?
You've succumbed to economics. In a sense crimson rocket is rota, he is capitalizing on a niche in the market. You want a type x lip, but you aren't going to pay 500+(idk how much they cost) to have one imported from japan, right? No, you want a cheap FRP replica of something that will probably get messed up (like wheels) so you aren't too butt hurt when something happens.
:picardfp:
5hfYJsQAhl0

[Cheesy Doriftos]

But you're going to buy CrimsonRocket's replica AKA KNOCK OFF type x lip eh?
You've succumbed to economics. In a sense crimson rocket is rota, he is capitalizing on a niche in the market. You want a type x lip, but you aren't going to pay 500+(idk how much they cost) to have one imported from japan, right? No, you want a cheap FRP replica of something that will probably get messed up (like wheels) so you aren't too butt hurt when something happens.


LOL @ this horrible logic.

just stop.

[Persona]

Waxball = Trying way too hard

[Melonburst]

Waxball = Trying way too hard

I agree.
It amazes me with how many trolls this site has.

[280zx2by2]

This is why it's a "replica" and not a "knock off".

Welcome to the world of getting stuff you want now instead of having to wait for availability, and even so you're getting it for CHEAPER!

http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~paulmcm/car/rota_grid/wheel_only.jpg

http://media.socialurl.com/photo/67/67/15984/292638_original.jpg

http://s1.postimage.org/m44ygdfrm/IMG_20110713_00064.jpg

Now you just have to realize you're lying to yourself and realize you are buying knockoff shit.

[raz0rbladez909]

Welcome to the world of getting stuff you want now instead of having to wait for availability, and even so you're getting it for CHEAPER!

In some cases people are actually waiting for the knockoffs, I.E. XXR's whole ordeal with their 527's, I think it was relatively recently where people hadn't recieved their wheels for 6 months lol. People could've saved up enough to buy the real deal in the time they had waited for crap. Anyways I think this thread has honestly ran its course and many have been educated:goyou:

[tqstarburst]

So does anyone else want to chime in regarding the real and the "replica"/"knockoff" (however you want to call) it steering wheel?.

[!Zar!]

What is there to say? The knockoff flexes to all hell, but you poor people will continue to buy it.

So end of the day, does it compare to the real thing, no. Not even close aside from the fact that they both resemble a steering wheel.

Will this news stop all you poor and impatient people from buying this shitty wheel, no.

[tqstarburst]

I know i was just trolling haha. But good answer biebers bf.

[tricky_ab]

What is there to say? The knockoff flexes to all hell, but you poor people will continue to buy it.

So end of the day, does it compare to the real thing, no. Not even close aside from the fact that they both resemble a steering wheel.

Will this news stop all you poor and impatient people from buying this shitty wheel, no.


And this is rather sad...

[CrimsonRockett]

But you're going to buy CrimsonRocket's replica AKA KNOCK OFF type x lip eh?
You've succumbed to economics. In a sense crimson rocket is rota, he is capitalizing on a niche in the market. You want a type x lip, but you aren't going to pay 500+(idk how much they cost) to have one imported from japan, right? No, you want a cheap FRP replica of something that will probably get messed up (like wheels) so you aren't too butt hurt when something happens.

Hats off to Crimson, do your thing, make that money. Give the people what they want.

We are all people, and by nature we are going to pursue our personal interests.

As i tried to do before with the boat thing, i'm done with the whole this or that. It just made me chuckle a little when i saw your post in the kouki aero thread.

Really?

As people have already stated, there's a clear difference between Knock Offs and Replicas.

Do me a favor, go find an OEM Kouki 180 lip that isn't beat to shit, overpriced, or in Japan.

The whole purpose of having the lip REPLICATED here in the US was to make it easily accessible to all. Yes, there was another company making the lip here in the US, but they weren't reliable and had terrible communication.

Of course you give people what they want. Difference is, some companies completely skimp on quality and only care about profit. Too many people supporting these companies instead of supporting the companies that are constantly reviewing, updating, and improving their products (SPL comes to mind).

I personally drove to San Fransisco to pick up my brand new OEM lip like two years ago. I've only seen a handful of lips go up for sale on here since then. All of them scooped up immediately.

Comparing me to Rota is hilarious. Awesome logic.

What happened to the patience and waiting thing that real men have? Can't wait for a barn find good condition lip?

It's not about having patience. The problem is, they don't go up for sale often and when they are available, you're already going up against dozens of people around the world trying to outbid you (Yahoo Japan). The only chance you have of winning it is by overpaying.

There's also a reason why companies go with FRP over Urethane. Having parts made out of Urethane is EXPENSIVE. Unless you're making hundreds of said parts, it's simply not worth the money to have the urethane parts made. FRP molds are much easier to make and a fraction of the cost. Absolutely nothing wrong with FRP parts. Plenty of companies out there that make great fitting, strong, and lightweight FRP parts.



This thread has more than run its course.

At the end of the day, people will continue to buy lower quality/inferior products simply to save a few bucks. Nothing we say and/or do will stop them.

It's your money. Your car. Your life. Do what you want with it.