loudest exhaust

[91240sx]

what is the loudest and deepest exhaust that'll keep its sound past the 5,000 rpm range? catback or universal

[Muzzy]

define "keep its sound"

do u mean...not change pitch??

[russian]

trust DD on your N/a:rolleyes:

[Ghettokracker71]

Originally posted by russian
trust DD on your N/a:rolleyes:

:confused: I've only seen the Trust DD or GReddy DD on one site for the S13 and it says "for turbo applications only" ,I have a N/A KA and want the loudest,too,but I don't want to loose power for sound ?

[s0ldats]

Originally posted by Ghettokracker71
:confused: I've only seen the Trust DD or GReddy DD on one site for the S13 and it says "for turbo applications only" ,I have a N/A KA and want the loudest,too,but I don't want to loose power for sound ?

you didn't specify that you wanted to keep your low end power, you just said you wanted the loudest exhaust. in that case, you're outta luck. most n/a exhuasts are rather quiet.

edit: but yeah, in general the double D is the loudest exhaust you can put on a KA besides straight pipes right after the header.

[Ghettokracker71]

Originally posted by s0ldats
you didn't specify that you wanted to keep your low end power, you just said you wanted the loudest exhaust. in that case, you're outta luck. most n/a exhuasts are rather quiet.

edit: but yeah, in general the double D is the loudest exhaust you can put on a KA besides straight pipes right after the header.

I don't really care about low-end power loss if there is enough high-end gain,but if the exhuast is too large for a N/A application then I will loose power thorughout the RPM range...let me rephrase...with the DD will I gain any power (high,mid,low...whatever RPM range) I expect I'd loose some of that KA's famous mid range TQ

[HiPSI]

why would you want the loudest exhaust?:confused: :bash:

cut your exhaust off at the header and boom, super loud exhaust.

[Ghettokracker71]

What is the best exhaust system(in everybodys opinion,or dyno-proven) that takes the least away from mid range while adding the most to high end with a nice sound ? or whats your fav. exhaust and why ? I want to make sure to do as much research as possible before investing,this car is on a budget

[ewok]

Originally posted by HiPSI
why would you want the loudest exhaust?:confused: :bash:

cut your exhaust off at the header and boom, super loud exhaust.

i think the reason is that he wants his car to sound mean even tho its a lil pussycat :rolleyes:

[Ghettokracker71]

everybody loves a little pussy right....

(hah hah:mrmeph: )

[ewok]

hahahahhha

[Ghettokracker71]

Anybody? I'm not asking about the loudest......I'm just wondering what Y'all think is best and why(IE best comprimise between low-end,mid-range and high-end HP for N/A Ka24DE,what you think sounds least like an Angry H-box and more like amean ready to rumble Nissan ?)

[tranzilla]

JIC exhaust systems are loud and deep. Way louder than the Apexi N1. And they come for N/A and Turbo applications. I got good gains on it =P on my GSR.. and love it to death.

If any of you live in the bay area and are interested in getting one. I got good hook ups on them.

Email : [email protected]

[Muzzy]

hey cracka muthafuka jus get a fuckin Apex N1 exhaust...N/A version so u wont loose as much low end but still gain high end and have a deep rumble.




hey...cracka.....didnt u hi-jack this dudes thread??
jus noticed the dude has yet to respond. i dont care...i jus noticed

[Var]

Originally posted by 91240sx
what is the loudest and deepest exhaust that'll keep its sound past the 5,000 rpm range? catback or universal

I have my resonator and my muffler out right now. It's LOUD. It has the best sound from 4-6k at full throttle. Otherwise it sounds like gurgling water.
Im gonna get a 2-chamber flowmaster put on in a couple days. I bet it will sound nice

[G_Fish240]

n1 single

[Ghettokracker71]

Originally posted by Muzzy
hey cracka muthafuka jus get a fuckin Apex N1 exhaust...N/A version so u wont loose as much low end but still gain high end and have a deep rumble.




hey...cracka.....didnt u hi-jack this dudes thread??
jus noticed the dude has yet to respond. i dont care...i jus noticed

If I do N1,its gonna be the N1 Dual without question,that was my first choice,but it seems like a SHITTON of people on here have that,good in alot of sences,but I just wanted to keep my options open and hear what y'all had to say about it...my main concern is that everybody says it hangs low,wich isn't too fly in my opinion....bad experience with a low-ass car (my moms old bonneville,long wheelbase and long plastic bumpers don't mix!)

Would I have much low-end and mid-range loss with a GReddy DD? I don't hear much about that,I don't like that the muff or canister is not at the stock location,nissan put it at the end of the car,and so did all the other aftermarket manufactors for a reason !

Anyway,wheres the cheapest I could get an N1 dual or GReddy DD? I been havin trouble findin people that sell the DD,some say its for turbo only....:confused:

EDIT:I geuss I am thinking about this WAY too much,but I am building this baby on a budget,and I can't afford to slap another exhuast on there,when I spend my 500-700$ hard earned bucks (hopefully less!) I want to love what I get out of it!

BTW:The guy that started this post has only 2 posts,I am not too concerned about stealing this thread

Anybody got pics of cat-back on their S13's ? n1 dual,DD,JIC SUS,5zigen fireball...whatever?

[kuruptR]

loud exhuasts are gay, tickets tickets ticket compliants.... stoopid neighbors wont let me idle my car any more... i have to drive it cold... and no more turbo down.

[Muzzy]

well cracka!!!

look up 5zigen..they arent very loud, dont hang low but seem to have the best power gains for N/A. the Mirical fireball..or how ever u spell it

[old_s13]

All this exhaust discussion is crap. Just get a fucking exhaust and slap that shit on your car.

Want loud? Go straight pipe with whatever size piping you want. Want to keep some torque? Go with 2.25 or 2.5. What NO torque? Go with 3".

Got an SR? Go with 3"

Want a bit LESS sound? Add a resonator and possibly a muffler.. whatever.

Its an exhaust.. its purpose is to muffle the sound. The most performance ones are the ones that use mandrel piping, thats it.. thats the only science to it.. straightest piping are least restrictive and most power.. everything else is just brand name show off shiet to impress mom and dad.

- Mike

[Anubis]

Just take off the stock exhaust and drive around with nothing past the manifold. Sure wakes up the neighbrohood. Dont ask me how i know.

[Ghettokracker71]

Originally posted by anubis9228
Just take off the stock exhaust and drive around with nothing past the manifold. Sure wakes up the neighbrohood. Dont ask me how i know.

hah hah......!!!!!! Thats great,thanks everybody!

and to old_s13:axe: excuse me but my money doesn't come easy son,and I want to make sure that I spend my money wisely,its something called "homework" or "research" on something that is a largel investment for a high school kid working part time ,going to college next year wanting a nice car on a low budget

[WishIhad1]

low budget? i suggest the apexi Dual N1. Not to loud, not to low, not loose much torque because of the Y piping.

Disclaimer: i can be talking out of my ass because i dont even have a car(only 15), i just read alot :p

[ckyfish]

Originally posted by Ghettokracker71
hah hah......!!!!!! Thats great,thanks everybody!

and to old_s13:axe: excuse me but my money doesn't come easy son,and I want to make sure that I spend my money wisely,its something called "homework" or "research" on something that is a largel investment for a high school kid working part time ,going to college next year wanting a nice car on a low budget

:confused: did you not read his post? I suggest you go back and read it again ghettokrackamastakillahhomedognizzle...dipshit

[Ghettokracker71]

Originally posted by ckyfish
:confused: did you not read his post? I suggest you go back and read it again ghettokrackamastakillahhomedognizzle...dipshit

I read it plenty of times,its amazingly funny how people like you and him put down other people to make yourselves look better,he said that this discussion is crap, well if it crap then you don't have to read it or post on it,I am not dissing you....but why are you intentially starting shit for no reason? Who's the dumbass here?

White guy who listens to rap,and SOMETIMES wears ghetto brands,and has his sn as "ghetto" b/c its an inside joke between freinds and wants to make smart investments on his car so he wants to make sure to ask the people who have had expereince in a realm that he knows NOTHING about,he used to be one of those guys that made fun of people in 240sx's and civics and etc. b/c his chevelle would easily blow them off the road...

or:

some guy who reads a forum and starts shit for no reason ?

Honestly thats one of the reasons I like this forum so much and don't touch the others is b/c the majority of the people here are actually smart,and have done alot to their cars,or know people that have done alot,and understand that one there was aperiod in their life they didn't understand SHIT about the S13 or S14,and MOST of them don't start talking trash and crap without a real reason to,yeah if somebody says something retarded they'll flame him out as should be,but whats so wrong with asking about cat-back's ? I don't care about loudness,I am used to a loud exhuast,my last 2 cars were V-8s and VERY VERY loud and I never got a ticket ONCE b/c of the loudness of them,my neighbors are used to me driving something loud,both in how it looks and sounds,they have given up on complaining b/c I told them that 'I'm into cars,you can complain,but its just wasting your time,I am not doing anything illegal just b/c I like fast cars'

first two cars were as follows:

1971 Chevelle W/Dual 2.5" or 3",can't honestly remeber,and flowmaster muffs 5.1L V-8(307ci),forced to sell b/c needed some circumstances

stupidly replaced with

1984 Thunderbird with a swapped 5.0 from a wrecked 91 Stang GT,with full lengh headers,K&N air filter,dual cats(no names) and no muffs,wasn't very fast,looked like shit too,needed a paint job BAD,I got rid of that thing fast,I didn't do my HW on this car and thats why I got fucked over on it,the thing was falling apart,nice engine,sounded nice,had a little get up and go,thats about it !

Thats all I have to say bro.........:)

[ISTOTOSAO]

I am reading an automotive encyclopedia right now, and it says that the less back pressure you have the more torque and horsepower gain you will get. So why is everyone saying that you need back pressue to keep good torque? I have also seen dyno results that back this information up. :) Oh yeah. I love the run on sentences. Oh and I know I can't spell if anything is wrong.

[Ghettokracker71]

Originally posted by 2NRS130
I am reading an automotive encyclopedia right now, and it says that the less back pressure you have the more torque and horsepower gain you will get. So why is everyone saying that you need back pressue to keep good torque? I have also seen dyno results that back this information up. :) Oh yeah. I love the run on sentences. Oh and I know I can't spell if anything is wrong.

I never claimed to be a scholar(proble spelled that wrong too !)....:rolleyes:

[old_s13]

Originally posted by 2NRS130
I am reading an automotive encyclopedia right now, and it says that the less back pressure you have the more torque and horsepower gain you will get. So why is everyone saying that you need back pressue to keep good torque? I have also seen dyno results that back this information up. :) Oh yeah. I love the run on sentences. Oh and I know I can't spell if anything is wrong.

Because you NEED backpressure. If you run header-out (like I have) you will soon feel the absolute lack of torque.

As for kracker dude, just listen to other people's exhausts and make a damn decision. Dont get so uptight over something so stupid. Its like saying which air filter is the best, who cares.. as long as they do a good job. It gets to a point where ANYTHING is better than stock, the only major difference is the brand...

I mean come on, do you seriously think one exhaust will give you a LOT more power than another? The key is mandrel bent.. get nice proper sized piping and less restrictive muffler, thats it. From there its all "do i want dual tip, single tip, cannon ball shooter" blah blah..

- Mike

[Ghettokracker71]

Yah.........sorry man,I tend to get carried away with things......:doh: made for an interesting thread though,hah hah

My freind has a B12,I think its a GA16DE but I don't know for sure,and I was helping him put on exhuast,we decided to go for a "bonsai run" through his neighborhood with stock manifold only....slowest that things ever been,if it had any TQ to loose....it lost it !

sorry .............

I am kind of a partier(as if you can't tell by my sig)

[ZOLTAN]

excuse me but my money doesn't come easy son,and I want to make sure that I spend my money wisely
If you want to be frugal and/or spend money wisely, find a local muffler shop that does mandrel bending and get a custom exhaust bent up.
All you need to find is a decent universal muffler.
And that's not hard, because just about every company who makes exhausts sells universal mufflers.

An exhaust, is an exhaust, is an exhaust.
It's just a pipe to direct the spent gases out of your engine.
And unless your car is a pure competition race car, the minor differences in gains you may or may not get from different brand systems is pointless.
The only real thing you should think about is if it's going to be for a turbo car or not.
And, how loud you want to be.

So, make the choice yourself; do you want brand name and bling, or do you want function?
It's your decision.


.Eddie.

[Var]

Originally posted by Ghettokracker71
,but I am building this baby on a budget,and I can't afford to slap another exhuast on there,when I spend my 500-700$ hard earned bucks ...

Dont you guys get it? I feel bad for those who go spend 600 dollars on an exhaust system cause you feel that you have to sport a brand name muffler. 600 bucks is reasonable for a header, all new piping, a new muffler a tip, and labor., but just for a catback.??!?! You guys are ripping yourselves off. I just got my 2-chamber flowmaster(replaced the old pacesetter) and took the resonator off. The flowmaster costs 60 bucks and another few bucks for a stainless steel tip and welding. I LOVE how it sounds now. Deep tone. Dont fool yourselves. You're making some fat japanese guy richer by the minute.

[old_s13]

Originally posted by westboroughpimp
Dont you guys get it? I feel bad for those who go spend 600 dollars on an exhaust system cause you feel that you have to sport a brand name muffler. 600 bucks is reasonable for a header, all new piping, a new muffler a tip, and labor., but just for a catback.??!?! You guys are ripping yourselves off. I just got my 2-chamber flowmaster(replaced the old pacesetter) and took the resonator off. The flowmaster costs 60 bucks and another few bucks for a stainless steel tip and welding. I LOVE how it sounds now. Deep tone. Dont fool yourselves. You're making some fat japanese guy richer by the minute.

Not exactly....

Like I said, the construction of the product AND the materials use, ALL come into account when determining a price of something.

SO, while 600 may be a lot of money.. its NOT lets say, for a FULL titanium exhaust, right?

Look at the welds of a 60 dollar exhaust and tell me they are nice and clean, like those of a 600 dollar exhaust. Its true, you get what you pay for.. but you have to have a standard or idea of WHAT you want on your car.

- Mike

[Ghettokracker71]

Originally posted by westboroughpimp
Dont you guys get it? I feel bad for those who go spend 600 dollars on an exhaust system cause you feel that you have to sport a brand name muffler. 600 bucks is reasonable for a header, all new piping, a new muffler a tip, and labor., but just for a catback.??!?! You guys are ripping yourselves off. I just got my 2-chamber flowmaster(replaced the old pacesetter) and took the resonator off. The flowmaster costs 60 bucks and another few bucks for a stainless steel tip and welding. I LOVE how it sounds now. Deep tone. Dont fool yourselves. You're making some fat japanese guy richer by the minute.

$60 with what kind of piping ? I kind of agree with the statement "you get what you paid for" my biggest prob is I don't know what an appropriate size would be for my N/A, I've got a hole in my exahust now,wich is why I want to change it,I plan on doing CAI at the same time,and shortly thereafter high-flow cat,hotshot header ,and in some months oversized valve job....so I need it to work with what I've got,and what I will have ! I like some of the universal muffs I've seen on eBay,my concern is their quality, I've seen some Megan Racing styles I like, anybody give MR props ?

Sorry if I made abig deal,I'm stil getting used to it, on a V-8 the exhuast is easy to set-up...loud or quiet? you want quiet you put on flowmaster 50's and a cut out behind the headers for the track,you want loud ? flowmaster 30's ! add that to the biggest pipes you could afford at the local exhuast shop(or biggest they'd bend) and bam-o!

[RedlineRacer]

Mandrel bends aren't any better on a n/a KA. You might notice like 1 hp gain with a mandrel bent exhaust than with minimal bending crush bent exhuast. The only time you will notice a big difference in crush bent and mandrel bent is if you are pushing like 275+ hp. When you are discussing a N/A KA, don't worry about a mandrel bent exhuast. ;)

[Ghettokracker71]

Originally posted by RedlineRacer
Mandrel bends aren't any better on a n/a KA. You might notice like 1 hp gain with a mandrel bent exhaust than with minimal bending crush bent exhuast. The only time you will notice a big difference in crush bent and mandrel bent is if you are pushing like 275+ hp. When you are discussing a N/A KA, don't worry about a mandrel bent exhuast. ;)

I'm definitely going to have my KA wayyy over 250+HP when I am done with it.....:D

[Var]

Originally posted by Ghettokracker71
$60 with what kind of piping ?

It's 60 bucks for the muffler. The piping is stainless steel 2.5 inch from where the resonator was cut to the muffler. If you are worried about mandrel bending and bullshit like that..you can spend the 600 bucks and get your heads ported and get way more power than any kind of bending would do.


Originally posted by old s13


Not exactly....

Like I said, the construction of the product AND the materials use, ALL come into account when determining a price of something.

SO, while 600 may be a lot of money.. its NOT lets say, for a FULL titanium exhaust, right?








Yes i suppose if it was made of gold it would be worth more right? although functionally it would be worse, it would still be worth more. Plus it has nothing to do with what i said. so i dont know why you quoted me. I was just trying to say that if you spend 600 motherfreakin dollars on a pipe that goes from your cat to a muffler...you better be getting like 40 horses out of it..or a blowjob at least.


Look at the welds of a 60 dollar exhaust and tell me they are nice and clean, like those of a 600 dollar exhaust.

You cant be seriously using that as a reason. Plus i was talking about a muffler. There are no weld marks. And your shiny new catback has to get welded on by your muffler guy anyways. Plus it's under the damn car!!! nobody is gonna give you props for having clean welds. lol

[Steeles]

Originally posted by westboroughpimp

You cant be seriously using that as a reason. Plus i was talking about a muffler. There are no weld marks. And your shiny new catback has to get welded on by your muffler guy anyways. Plus it's under the damn car!!! nobody is gonna give you props for having clean welds. lol

I dont know whos been working on cars in your area but if they are welding on cat back exhausts.. (a BOLT ON MOD) then you should go slap the ish out of them.

at least my Yashio factory came prewleded to the pipe by that fat guy in japan in the pink pants
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid72/p0a84606c29649534653a528a8317fb42/fb8575c0.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/pbd57b585f7bd86cd550a1dfb44d745b2/fb7b2841.jpg

(and if you wanna hear it theres two short vids in that same imagestation folder http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?show_all=1&start=1&id=4290352527 )

[Var]

you right, my bad. i was too busy being upset that you guys making that fat guy at Yashio Factory rich.lol.
BTW those welds dont look that great. But anyways. i was wrong about that one thing. i still stand by the rest of it.

[RedlineRacer]

Originally posted by Ghettokracker71
I'm definitely going to have my KA wayyy over 250+HP when I am done with it.....:D

Dude, if you are trying to be on a budget for an exhaust and say $600 is too much, then how are you gonna have the money to get your KA wayyy over 250hp? It's gonna take alot of money to do that, and your having a hard time coming up with the money for a cat-back?

[Ghettokracker71]

Originally posted by RedlineRacer
Dude, if you are trying to be on a budget for an exhaust and say $600 is too much, then how are you gonna have the money to get your KA wayyy over 250hp? It's gonna take alot of money to do that, and your having a hard time coming up with the money for a cat-back?

I am willing to spend $1000's on my actual engine,headwork and internals and such,I just said I am building her on a budget,wich is true,I will have to save up,but not alot,I make good money,I work hard for it, but I can't honestly see spending $400-$1,300 on a f*cking pipe and muffler w/o doing mad research to make sure its something I would be very content with,thats a shitton of money for a little pipe that goes to the back of the car ! Its just a damn pipe,and a muffler ! I mean come on,thats alot of money when you think of the little amount of stuff your getting....

[old_s13]

westborough> Yes i suppose if it was made of gold it would be worth more right? although functionally it would be worse, it would still be worth more. Plus it has nothing to do with what i said. so i dont know why you quoted me. I was just trying to say that if you spend 600 motherfreakin dollars on a pipe that goes from your cat to a muffler...you better be getting like 40 horses out of it..or a blowjob at least.

Depends what you consider acceptable. Poor quality welds wont hold as well and will eventually break SOONER than a higher quality exhaust. Anytime you buy something, you have to take into account the materials they use.

When talking about rotors, you can easily take a crap rotor made in China and compare it to a Brembo (blank) made in Italy, the strength of the metal is what matters, plus better cast design etc. Same goes for mufflers, even though its not as important as brakes.. it all comes down to what YOU feel is acceptable for YOUR car. We're all different, right? I mean, last I checked NONE of the exhausts that ANY 240SX owner runs will be suitable for a McLaren F1, considering its exhaust and manifold is ALL titanium and the entire engine bay is lined with gold. So, I think quality of materials does make a difference -- but it all depends on what satisfies your standard, with or without blowjob.


You cant be seriously using that as a reason. Plus i was talking about a muffler. There are no weld marks. And your shiny new catback has to get welded on by your muffler guy anyways. Plus it's under the damn car!!! nobody is gonna give you props for having clean welds. lol

My catback was nice and shiney, until I painted it flat black. :) But, underneath that paint I know the welds and piping are quality.

- Mike

[Var]

Yes. You are absolutely correct. I bought brembo rotors myself. They are an important part of the car. You will crash if they are crap.

BUT....

I dont get using good and bad welds as an excuse to pay for a catback. You are making the assumption that all welders in the US cant weld and the only good ones are in Japan. What kind of reasoning is that? I've never had anyone complain to me that the welds on their exhaust were bad. This is the problem i was trying to address in the first place. Most ppl think that if it doesnt come from a factory in Japan it isnt quality. That's BULLSHIT.

Originally posted by old_s13
Poor quality welds wont hold as well and will eventually break SOONER than a higher quality exhaust

But, underneath that paint I know the welds and piping are quality.


BS!!! The welder in your town must be ignorant.

Using your reasoning nobody should get a custom roll cage cause the material and welding will never be as good as do-luck, or cusco, where they use magical welding dust and elven welders with thousands of years of experience to make quality products.

And the quality piping you speak of, this metal they call "Titanium". i guess good old stainless steel wont hold the exhaust gases coming out of your engine. And please dont compare our cars with the McLaren. Put a million dollars into a 240sx and see what it could have.

[misnomer]

So much anger. . . I think we all need a group hug :P

BACK ON TOPIC!!

Loudest exhaust. . . my sister's SOHC was pretty god damn loud when I ran an open header. . . actually sounded pretty beefy. . . and loud. . . Very loud. If the original post is still around, why do you want the loudest? I mean, sure you can annoy everybody you drive past, but think of how much it will start to annoy you when you're cruising down the highway. Discomfort of random strangers is great, but at what cost?

[Var]

Im sorry i didnt mean to come off as angry. I was laughing as i typed that post.

:hug:

group hug it is.

[russian]

ok you want a custom exhaust - a flag in your hand, and please storm that hill sir. you dont- great also.

its "just a pipe with a muffler". many companies dyno tune their exhausts and make em to perfection, since R&D cost so much, you have to pay for it rather than some redneck halfassweliding your exhaust. materials are also important, i have 5zigen fireball for my zenki and im very happy with it. :D

[old_s13]

Originally posted by westboroughpimp
Yes. You are absolutely correct. I bought brembo rotors myself. They are an important part of the car. You will crash if they are crap. BUT....I dont get using good and bad welds as an excuse to pay for a catback. You are making the assumption that all welders in the US cant weld and the only good ones are in Japan. What kind of reasoning is that? I've never had anyone complain to me that the welds on their exhaust were bad. This is the problem i was trying to address in the first place. Most ppl think that if it doesnt come from a factory in Japan it isnt quality. That's BULLSHIT. BS!!! The welder in your town must be ignorant.
Using your reasoning nobody should get a custom roll cage cause the material and welding will never be as good as do-luck, or cusco, where they use magical welding dust and elven welders with thousands of years of experience to make quality products.
And the quality piping you speak of, this metal they call "Titanium". i guess good old stainless steel wont hold the exhaust gases coming out of your engine. And please dont compare our cars with the McLaren. Put a million dollars into a 240sx and see what it could have.

dude quit being suck a cock, I feel like smashing your head in with my fist.

I never said it must COME from fucking Japan, all I said is that the exhaust must be good quality -- price TENDS to follow quality, so be sure to research what you buy.. see it, touch it, hear it, fuckit'.. just get a good exhaust -- thats my point.

If you DONT want to pay for a good exhaust, dont.. who gives a shit. It'll sound like ass and get a hole in it or rust within a few years.. wow, great.. this is why there are idiots in the world.

Classic example? My uncle who buys cheap cordless telephones. Always has and always will buy them. Everytime he calls I fuckin despise talking to him because he has nothing good to say AND his phone has all this static and interference..

anyway i dunno why i am so pissed off, mostly because you make yourself sound stupid by arguing the same shit over and over.. and because this thread is stupid!

Last, a McLaren F1 is a fucking McLaren F1. Dont be stupid, you CANNOT take a 240SX and invest 1 million dollars on it, because it would still be shit. You'de have to rebuilt the ENTIRE car with completely new carbon fiber and aluminum components to be a 240SX, and that would be one of the most absolute stupid things I've ever heard of. If you are going to do something, start with a good foundation.

pimp.. pimp my nuts. :)

[old_s13]

i still dont know why i am angry.. but whatever, laugh at the post if you want..

fuck.. stupid shit.

i hate getting angry over such crap! EXHAUST..

%[email protected]?%@#?^#@$?^@

[Ghettokracker71]

Originally posted by russian
ok you want a custom exhaust - a flag in your hand, and please storm that hill sir. you dont- great also.

its "just a pipe with a muffler". many companies dyno tune their exhausts and make em to perfection, since R&D cost so much, you have to pay for it rather than some redneck halfasswelding your exhaust. materials are also important, i have 5zigen fireball for my zenki and im very happy with it. :D

hah hah....CHARGE!!

I understand they do alot of R&D including dynometer testing,I was kind of just thinking about its alot of $$ for an exhaust,dyno tuned or not ! Thats all ! I still am confused about custom vs. aftermarket cat-back,good point about half-assin' it and etc.,and I like the idea of already knowing (somehwhat if I haven't actually heard it) what my KA is going to sound like ! Pretty much I have starting considering custom but that just means I am that much farther away from deciding :cry:

BTW
:hug:

[old_s13]

Yeah I'm gonna keep posting because I'm still pissed at this level of stupidity.

TITANIUM is not used because it should withstand the enormous amounts of exhaust pressure, thats not the point. Titanium is used because its light-weight, period!

Where does this matter? Well, since idiots are so happy to put carbon fiber all over their cars.. it should be known that the less flashy TITANIUM is useful because its both light AND strong.

That was the point I was trying to make. I was trying to say that each material has its pro's and con's. Okay.. now I dont feel so angry. Sorry for being a dick.. lets be friends.

[Ghettokracker71]

Originally posted by old_s13
Yeah I'm gonna keep posting because I'm still pissed at this level of stupidity.

TITANIUM is not used because it should withstand the enormous amounts of exhaust pressure, thats not the point. Titanium is used because its light-weight, period!

Where does this matter? Well, since idiots are so happy to put carbon fiber all over their cars.. it should be known that the less flashy TITANIUM is useful because its both light AND strong.

That was the point I was trying to make. I was trying to say that each material has its pro's and con's. Okay.. now I dont feel so angry. Sorry for being a dick.. lets be friends.

A small scientific fact that has been researched heavily,and proven many times: Titanium is very resistant to heat as in less heat is radiated from the pipe/muffler(s) because less is absorbed by the Titanium,therefore cooler under car tempuratures...(not to rant,or be an asshole or anything....)

[zero.counter]

Back to the origin of the thread, I recently purchased a Megan racing cat-back exhaust system for $308 shipped with great welds, mirror finish, and deep/loud sounding when over 3k rpms. The only problem is, it has 3in. piping and is not the best for N/A. I did what Mike did and painted most of it up to the muffler with high-temp flat black as well. for more rust protection.

I also got a stright-pipe from megan racing on e-bay with the O2 Bung polished and bolts right up to the old OBX header. That was $65 shipped and made it even louder.

I went crazy with heat wrap in some areas.

[Ghettokracker71]

Originally posted by zero.counter
Back to the origin of the thread, I recently purchased a Megan racing cat-back exhaust system for $308 shipped with great welds, mirror finish, and deep/loud sounding when over 3k rpms. The only problem is, it has 3in. piping and is not the best for N/A. I did what Mike did and painted most of it up to the muffler with high-temp flat black as well. for more rust protection.

I also got a stright-pipe from megan racing on e-bay with the O2 Bung polished and bolts right up to the old OBX header. That was $65 shipped and made it even louder.

I went crazy with heat wrap in some areas.

What size is your test pipe ? Would you give the OBX header props? you like it ?

(I know I'm nosy....sorry)

[zero.counter]

Originally posted by Ghettokracker71
What size is your test pipe ? Would you give the OBX header props? you like it ?

(I know I'm nosy....sorry)
3in. This car is my project car and does not move since registration and inspection are not updated. I rev it in my driveway while working on it. Anyways, check here for some info on he straight pipe.

LINK (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33629&item=2447136337#ebayphotohosting)

http://i9.ebayimg.com/02/i/01/03/0c/fe_1.JPG


And yes, the obx works good for now. I have had it for awhile and it made a definate difference in sound. I will prolly be selling it soon. Not sure exactly how soon though.

[Ghettokracker71]

Zero-

What engine set-up do you have ? N/A KA,KA-T ....what ? I have a N/A KA24DE, 3inch. piping would definitely take away from power ....wouldn't it ? Thanks for the link,...

EDIT:Sell it soon? hmm...that can't be a good sign.......

[zero.counter]

What engine set-up do you have ? N/A KA,KA-T ....what ?

Right now on that car, a KA24E is currently sitting in the bay.

I have a N/A KA24DE, 3inch. piping would definitely take away from power ....wouldn't it ?

This is a good question. Since you are on the internet, you might want to read up on exhaust and backpressure to understand the whole concept. Start here, for info on mufflers and their roles. (http://auto.howstuffworks.com/muffler.htm/printable)
Then here for exhaust headers and what they can do for you. (http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question172.htm/printable)

And then this article (http://auto.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=muffler.htm&url=http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Miscellaneous/exhausttheory.htm) , with special attention to this excerpt, "

Pipe Sizing

We've seen quiet a few "experienced" racers tell people that a bigger exhaust is a better exhaust. Hahaha… NOT.

As discussed earlier, exhaust gas is hot. And we'd like to keep it hot throughout the exhaust system. Why? The answer is simple. Cold air is dense air, and dense air is heavy air. We don't want our engine to be pushing a heavy mass of exhaust gas out of the tailpipe. An extremely large exhaust pipe will cause a slow exhaust flow, which will in turn give the gas plenty of time to cool off en route. Overlarge piping will also allow our exhaust pulses to achieve a higher level of entropy, which will take all of our header tuning and throw it out the window, as pulses will not have the same tendency to line up as they would in a smaller pipe. Coating the entire exhaust system with an insulative material, such as header wrap or a ceramic thermal barrier coating reduces this effect somewhat, but unless you have lots of cash burning a hole in your pocket, is probably not worth the expense on a street driven car.

Unfortunately, we know of no accurate way to calculate optimal exhaust pipe diameter. This is mainly due to the random nature of an exhaust system -- things like bends or kinks in the piping, temperature fluctuations, differences in muffler design, and the lot, make selecting a pipe diameter little more than a guessing game. For engines making 250 to 350 horsepower, the generally accepted pipe diameter is 3 to 3 ½ inches. Over that amount, you'd be best off going to 4 inches. If you have an engine making over 400 to 500 horsepower, you'd better be happy capping off the fun with a 4 inch exhaust. Ah, the drawbacks of horsepower. The best alternative here would probably be to just run open
exhaust! " -from Overboost.com

EDIT:Sell it soon? hmm...that can't be a good sign.......
As I said, the car I am working on is a project car, going turbo in the near future. I use my S14 for daily driving.


Thanks for the link,...

No prob...BOB! :)

[Muzzy]

hey zero old man..i wanna see and hear your exhaust!!
then u can hear mine (Blitz)!!!

[zero.counter]

Originally posted by Muzzy
hey zero old man..i wanna see and hear your exhaust!!
then u can hear mine (Blitz)!!!
I run the highways every Sat. thru Wed. between 12A.M. to 1A.M. IH-10-LOOP 410W-CULEBRA. You can find me there on my way home. I will be in the S14 though, but you can see my exhaust on that car while you EAT MY DUST! :p

To hell with that Old Man crap, I'm mid twenties biotch!

Zero........

[Ghettokracker71]

I'd take on any VA boys(and gals) that want to run me!!! Actually,I wouldn't care if I lost to a 240sx.I would care if a civic dusted me though...:doh: ..........Thanks again Zero ! So heres what my options I have came up with are...

-Buy a pair of "Fireball style" or "N1 style" mufflers on eBay or somewhere,maybe actually universal 5Zigens,or Apex'I n1's,and and a muff shop do the piping,I like the dual N1 cat-back but I don't like it sits so low,a shop could make it sit higher

-Buy a universal muffler,hopefully brand name,at least Megan Racing and have a muff shop do it

-Buy a cat-back system,most likely GReddy DD or 5Zigen Fireball if I did that !

My wallet is screaming to get a single muff and have it custom bent ! hah hah....we'll see,I like the idea of a custom/unique exhaust system,I've heard dual Fireballs on a ....ahem,on something(It had ram horns on it,and a 4 cylinder....thats all I'm saying :rolleyes: ) and it sounded pretty nice,I imagine it would sound ALOT better on a good ol' KA

Thanks everybody!

Any imput is still welcome....

(for those who haven't been keeping up with this thread,it was started by somebody who abandoned it,I was going to start the identical one,but found this one and hi-jacked it b/c I didn't want to get flamed for not searching....)

[Muzzy]

yea zero...u are an old man...im 19

but anyway i still wanna see and hear your exhaust 4 real


plus it will be the last time u hear my exhaust N/A style.
starting this week im gonna pop the KA out for an SR so its gonna sound different

[zero.counter]

Originally posted by Muzzy
yea zero...u are an old man...im 19

Then I guess that means that you are a child, and children are deviants who don't and most of the time cannot contribute to society. :p

By the way, I can buy beer and go to strip clubs legally...:D Can you?????

[Var]

Originally posted by old_s13


I feel like smashing your head in with my fist.



rrright That would be funny if you tried.. Tell you what i promise to PM you next time Im in LA and we can settle it @ Angeles Crest.

[old_s13]

Originally posted by westboroughpimp
rrright That would be funny if you tried.. Tell you what i promise to PM you next time Im in LA and we can settle it @ Angeles Crest.

ooooooh!

angeles crest is for pussies. real men race on drag strips with automatic transmissions and high-stall torque converters.

get some balls, drag racing ownz j000!!!! :)

[Muzzy]

yea i can go to strip clubs

<------toy "R" us kid damnit!!!!

besides..strip clubs are 4 men who cant get women

[zero.counter]

Originally posted by Muzzy
besides..strip clubs are 4 men who cant get women

HaHa! I'm married so that does not apply!

[Steeles]

Originally posted by Muzzy
yea i can go to strip clubs

<------toy "R" us kid damnit!!!!

besides..strip clubs are 4 men who cant get women

what about those of us that pick up women in strip clubs? (and I dont mean paying a 2 dollar hooker to blow you in the back room either)

or those of us whose women go to strip clubs with us?

[Muzzy]

hhmmm interesting point steeles.

c'mon now zero...did u jus set your self up for a stupid answer...you're married and u go to a strip club...by your self im sure....lol...yea..let it marinate:D

[zero.counter]

c'mon now zero...did u jus set your self up for a stupid answer...

Not really...you did that for yourself when you replied to me acting all like you was da shit!

you're married and u go to a strip club...by your self im sure....lol...yea..let it marinate:D READ BELOW

You must have me mistaken for someone with no friends like you! :) Don't put me in your shoes boy....

I won't go too much into details, but it's all good...

Go to Allstars and ask for Stacey on thursdays and fridays (nights). Ask her if she knows of a 6'3" hispanic with shoulder length hair that wears Alfred Sung Paradise (I'm not giving my name) and goes there with two buddies, a black guy named Keeshon and a white dude named Joshua that always slip some hamiltons.

[the head]

i love internet fights they are damn fun to read
no matter what anyone says i love my apexi exaust 3.75in piping is some entertaining shit and at less than 450 (good friends in the right places) it is a damn bargian

[Muzzy]

quit pickin on lil kids old man..pick on some one your own size mean ol dude!! i quit!!!

anyway...i still wanna see your exhaust

[Var]

Originally posted by old_s13
real men race on drag strips with automatic transmissions and high-stall torque converters.


HAH!! LMAO I love you man. we should argue more often.

I used to have a 1970 Chevelle SS with a 396 in it. High stall torque converter, Shift kit, all the goodies on the engine. Sold it for a 96 Yamaha Sportbike. Crashed that 3 times and sold it for my 240. Good times.

[old_s13]

Originally posted by Muzzy
quit pickin on lil kids old man..pick on some one your own size mean ol dude!! i quit!!!

anyway...i still wanna see your exhaust

see my exhaust? its low key, here are a few pics:
http://clearcorners.com/old_1.jpg
http://clearcorners.com/old_2.jpg
http://clearcorners.com/old_3.jpg

- Mike

[wylin]

mamos u should have done that misdeed to the stainless canister to a Fujitsubo Legalis R single or twin tip model (looks stock or like a midas replacement muffler). The twin tip dual 60mm piping legalis R one kyle matsushita has would actually look and perform decent on your stockish looking car.

[Muzzy]

wow...thas RSR right? did u paint it??

pretty pimp lookin....as well as your lights

but i was actually refering to old man Zero but thanks anyway...looks damn good

[old_s13]

"wylin> mamos u should have done that misdeed to the stainless canister to a Fujitsubo Legalis R single or twin tip model (looks stock or like a midas replacement muffler). The twin tip dual 60mm piping legalis R one kyle matsushita has would actually look and perform decent on your stockish looking car."

Will, you dont know how to drive, you dont how to work on your car, you spend 5 minutes going over speed bumps and another 10 making a bunch of noise just trying to park your car. All of this for what, to impress the 17 year old pimple-faced initial-D jockers at the local tea house?

haha please, some people are more concerned in DRIVING their cars, not over-cluttering them with crap.. haha

[wylin]

how childish mamos.

I was trying to give you meaningful imput. Im not even sure u even know me that well to make those types of statements. Other then me rapping you in street fighter, you stalking my burmese friend, and I helping you with some R&D my involvement with you has been limited. Why, simple the bad attidude of yours bugs me and it is also why i noticed my own and other people's support of your products erode, because your competitors give the same or better quality of products but without the wannabe early 90's gangster attitude and mickey mouse antics.

Maybe its time to grow up you are almost 30 years old

[NervGS]

I thought you were good at driving Will?

Also drifting?

Don't you go driving in the canyons alot?

-glenn

[old_s13]

"how childish mamos" blah blah be quiet will.

you love talking smack but now you're upset because i dish it back at you. i didnt post a pic of my exhaust for criticism, i posted it because a few people have been asking to see my exhaust.. big deal.

write whatever you want in your posts, like me or hate me, it really doesnt make a difference because those who know me KNOW i may be blunt, but shit I'm honest and say what I have to say.

you always rant around and criticize shit and i really dont pay it much attention because i am not money driven nor am i materialistic. this is why my car looks "stockish" and why i did that "misdeed" by painting my exhaust.

bottom line is, you gotta do what makes you happy. if you are happy with your car, its appearance, its setup.. than cool. If you do or dont work on your car, cool.. it doesnt bother me. Just quit the "higher than thou" attitude..

[wylin]

Originally posted by NervGS
I thought you were good at driving Will?

Also drifting?

Don't you go driving in the canyons alot?

-glenn

actually glen i fancy my self as a halfway decent driver since i know the basics of car control, using certain lines and ways of entering turns, threshhold braking, skid control, etc. I just drive the way that i enjoy and for pleasure, alittle spirited but more conservatively since i know what ever i do can affect my employment.

Also im not into drifting at all...canyons? Its called take a scenic sprited drive up to palos verdes near my house, head to scenic malibu for a sprited drive, or take a fun trip down to san diego near my fathers home in rural north sandiego.

Then again its Glenn who also pesters me for SR advice and what parts to buy and pestering me with yada yada about him being poor not affording macross toys that cost as much as his car. So be quiet, yakamashi.

[NervGS]

Hey Will.

>>Then again its Glenn who also pesters me for SR advice and what parts to buy and pestering me with yada yada about him being poor not affording macross toys that cost as much as his car. So be quiet, yakamashi.

Your point being?

I asked you about your driving, not about specs on SR and parts.

But anyways.

My car is better then yours.

-glenn

[Silviaboy627]

Originally posted by Ghettokracker71
What is the best exhaust system(in everybodys opinion,or dyno-proven) that takes the least away from mid range while adding the most to high end with a nice sound ? or whats your fav. exhaust and why ? I want to make sure to do as much research as possible before investing,this car is on a budget

:bowdown:APEXi N1 Dual no question about it.

[wylin]

Originally posted by NervGS
Hey Will.

>>Then again its Glenn who also pesters me for SR advice and what parts to buy and pestering me with yada yada about him being poor not affording macross toys that cost as much as his car. So be quiet, yakamashi.

Your point being?

I asked you about your driving, not about specs on SR and parts.

But anyways.

My car is better then yours.

-glenn

bring it, we can see whose a better driver anytime. I'll take your miata in my stock G20 beater any day.

My wheels = your car

[Ghettokracker71]

Originally posted by wylin
bring it, we can see whose a better driver anytime. I'll take your miata in my stock G20 beater any day.

My wheels = your car

stock G20? Miata? BOTH of my parents daily drivers would dust either one of you pussies ! My dad drives a '99 Seirra with a 3.83 posi and afully redone 4.8(small) V-8,with cowl induction...and etc., my mom drives a '97 Maxima SE bone stock....

I'm not talking shit or anything,but if you are going to talk trash,at least have the ass to back it up,come on,a stock G20? Miata? You've got to be kidding me,hell my grandmothers '88 Cougar with a 5.0 would dust you,...my fucking grandmother ! My 240sx has definitely got the miata,and will give yer G20 a run for the money....

[NervGS]

Originally posted by wylin
bring it, we can see whose a better driver anytime. I'll take your miata in my stock G20 beater any day.

My wheels = your car

Will.

We do not need to see who is the better driver.

Because everyone already knows, I am.

Your wheels = Michael Jackson SPL.

-glenn

[old_s13]

"Then again its Glenn who also pesters me for SR advice and what parts to buy and pestering me with yada yada about him being poor not affording macross toys that cost as much as his car. So be quiet, yakamashi."

bring it, we can see whose a better driver anytime. I'll take your miata in my stock G20 beater any day.

My wheels = your car

Yup.............

.......someone is DEFINATELY over-compensating for having SPS.

It must be hard Will, but we understand. There are many men that live with Small Penis Syndrome and are still able to have sex. hahaha hehe

- Orangecorner.com SPS

[audaxpowder]

Originally posted by wylin
bring it, we can see whose a better driver anytime. I'll take your miata in my stock G20 beater any day.

My wheels = your car

Don't even step there... everyone with an ounce of brains knows that I'll CRUSH anyone in my Insight.

P.S. I'm only half joking.

[old_s13]

Your bandwagon Insight is nothing!!!!
Nothing!!!!

[email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected]

[audaxpowder]

"bandwagon"?

You of all people shouldn't doubt the power of the Insight.

Kill list:

Mike's SOHC KA
AEM 350Z
stock 350Z
Afla Romeo 156

oh and so many more...

[old_s13]

hey Hey HEY...!

Your terrain, your territory.

MY terrain, MY terrirory.

hehe its like the east staines massiv vs the west staines massiv with you, Ryan... hehe

[NervGS]

The insight 0 \/\/ /\/ 5 all.

Including VF-19s.

-glenn

[old_s13]

All I gotta say, is that yawl mothafuckas need to invest...

...with Wutang Financial.

http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.php?reposid=/multimedia/chappelle/showclips/107_wutang.html

Because this is what wise mothafuckas do, they gotta diversify their mothafuckin bonds nyea...

[tyrone]

Originally posted by wylin
...I just drive the way that i enjoy and for pleasure, alittle spirited but more conservatively since i know what ever i do can affect my employment...

...Then again its Glenn who also pesters me for SR advice and what parts to buy and pestering me with yada yada about him being poor not affording macross toys that cost as much as his car. So be quiet, yakamashi.

Will, what does your driving have to do with your employment? I have three speeding tix this year so far and I don't see it affecting my job--and my job is directly related to cars.

Just curious, but you can bash me for asking, the same way you did Glenn for "pester[ing] [you] for SR advice." Why not start with calling my car a gayronvia or calling me a dirty mexican like you always do? (Note to self: I'm not a mexican) ;)

[old_s13]

Dayamn.. since when did this become beatup on Will day?

"Lets get READY to RUMBLE!!!"

BTW, has anyone checked out the artist known as Goapele, damn she's got some pretty fly tracks...

This thread is kinda crazy, its reuniting old-schoolers from afar! We need to get Alex, TY Yap, Van, and some of the other old-schoolers in here from Fresh Alloy. hehe

[wylin]

Since i work for law enforcement, tyrone any arrestable offense such as excessive speeding, speed competition/ contest, failure to stop for an officer... is possible grounds for dismisal.

you mean gay-ronvia. I thought it was good name since it reflects...you "happy" cavelier attitude and also how you call your 240sx a silvia on your work site. I mean we'd call batmans car the batmobile, so we call gayrones car gayronvia. It Makes sense you see...

And your not mexican your panamanian, bolivian, nicuraguan, or sumthing.

And mamos, grow up... go back to work charging tyrone 1000$ for a set of LED tails that make his car look bling bling...that cost u 50$ to make.

:boink:

[NervGS]

Will.

You have an SR.

Isn't that illegal?

-glenn

[wylin]

glen aka chibiko (shorty)...go drive back to the blue dolphin in your fem-rocket opps i mean miata.

[tyrone]

Originally posted by wylin
Since i work for law enforcement, tyrone any arrestable offense such as excessive speeding, speed competition/ contest, failure to stop for an officer... is possible grounds for dismisal.

you mean gay-ronvia. I thought it was good name since it reflects...you "happy" cavelier attitude and also how you call your 240sx a silvia on your work site. I mean we'd call batmans car the batmobile, so we call gayrones car gayronvia. It Makes sense you see...

And your not mexican your panamanian, bolivian, nicuraguan, or sumthing.

And mamos, grow up... go back to work charging tyrone 1000$ for a set of LED tails that make his car look bling bling...that cost u 50$ to make.

:boink:

Well, even so aren't you giving a bad example by having an illegal engine in your car that could be impounded? I guess since you work for the PD they would look the other way.

Anyway, since we have to call the car by the owner's name, as a play on words, should I call your car a 2FatasSX? And I call my car a Sxilvia, not a Silvia. It's a play on Silvia and SX.

You're right, I'm nicaraguan and you're Vietnamese.

[wylin]

You're right, I'm nicaraguan and you're Vietnamese.

yah thats why i go do-ma-mai gong gak all day with luke and tokico.

Actually tyrone ur chinese since you go up to every male chinese person as tell them that you have a Da-Pig-U and want their Jiji.

Anyway, since we have to call the car by the owner's name, as a play on words, should I call your car a 2FatasSX? And I call my car a Sxilvia, not a Silvia. It's a play on Silvia and SX.

Actually i thought your car was a clone of your idol rickys. since you copied his front end, gold volk wheels, and even engine. So i can call it Rik-copy-via instead.

[swifty949]

Originally posted by wylin
yah thats why i go do-ma-mai gong gak all day with luke and tokico.

Actually tyrone ur chinese since you go up to every male chinese person as tell them that you have a Da-Pig-U and want their Jiji.



Actually i thought your car was a clone of your idol rickys. since you copied his front end, gold volk wheels, and even engine. So i can call it Rik-copy-via instead.

You are an idiot. How the hell did you pass the background checks? It has truely become a sad day due for the usually honorable men and women of the police, since you joined them.

[mrmephistopheles]

funny as it's been, i have to shut this one down...