NEW! S-Chassis Challenge Cup!

[MrMigs]

Ya right... I wish...

I may be quite retarded for thinking this is cool, but I think it would be fun to have a 240sx-specific racing league with points and all that cool stuff. Does anyone know if one exists? To my knowledge, I haven't heard of one ever in CA. And to all other fools with similar beliefs, would anyone else like to make something like this happen?

Okay everybody, flame on. :Ownedd:

[future]

Why bother flaming? You already are expecting it. Damn it ):

[roboticnissan]

This is an awesome idea, I was talking to the fella that runs speed ventures about it. We would need like 50 participants to start a 240sx challenge or s chassis challenge.

I.would be soo.down for this, but I doubt it will see much love from Zilvia.

Maybe nrr?

[MrMigs]

Why bother flaming? You already are expecting it. Damn it ):

:keke:

This is an awesome idea, I was talking to the fella that runs speed ventures about it. We would need like 50 participants to start a 240sx challenge or s chassis challenge.

I.would be soo.down for this, but I doubt it will see much love from Zilvia.

Maybe nrr?

Who knows, I thought I was going to get auto-flamed for posting about this. Maybe a lot of people are interested and just afraid to talk about it lol. What's the first step? Rules and Roster? I can put together a site pretty quickly if this is idea is a strong possibility.

Just realized nrr = Nissan Road Racing dot com. Yeah maybe better luck there, but they don't have a CA regional section on their site. Most of the S-Chassis guys are also on Zilvia though, no?

[sw20>>s14]

id be SO down for this...

[MrMigs]

Anyone who's interested in putting this together, pm me. Maybe we can make this happen. (really)

[sw20>>s14]

lets make it like lemans with Px and GTx classes for swapped/kat and ka/ca/swapped na classes, lol...

but seriously, i would be all over this...

[chrisjakcj]

This sounds interesting, where would the events take place?

[MrMigs]

Yea that would be totally cool to split the classes. Maybe based on engine or just hp. I shall hereby call a chatroom session sometime next week. Whoever's interested in getting this caca started with me can join in and discuss.

sw20>>s14, didn't I sell you some super rare wheels like a bunch of years ago? Looks familiar...

[MrMigs]

This sounds interesting, where would the events take place?

Well, I purposely posted this in the CA Regional area of the forum, so for sure I'd intend for it to ONLY be in California. We could talk about it. Off the top of my head, we could do Button Willow, Willow Springs, and then have a track or two in the bay area to complete the league. But depends... I figure I'd have to talk to the tracks and ask them what their requirements are (safety, monetarily, etc.) and go from there. I'd start by contacting either Button Willow or Willow Springs and go with who has less strict rules aka whoever will make it easier to start. And then just branch out from there to get all the info.

Once we figure out all the requirements for starting a series, we could go ahead and knock out each obstacle one-by-one..

[azndummie]

I've been thinking about this for years...its never been done. Maybe I should step up and set something up.

[MrMigs]

I've been thinking about this for years...its never been done. Maybe I should step up and set something up.

You know what's weird... I'm starting to think a LOT of us had this idea a long time ago but never thought to make it really happen lol. This is now the official thread of the S-Chassis Champion Cup hahah.. Ya man, hit me up if you want some help or if you straight-up want to just split some chores to find some more information. It's gonna be a bitch to get this whole thing setup on an individual level I think. Might as well have the people in here who are interested work together.

[stinky_180]

This would've happened at the 240sx National Convention. Hopefully soon...

[scratchymaster]

The s2k challenge has been held by speedventures for many years. It has recently lost popularity, i think because the rules got too strict. Making a rules set that is SIMPLE and fair is ideal, but very difficult to achieve.
What recent track days have you guys gone too? I've been with speedventures and Extremespeed a lot this year, but I dont think I've seen many S cars.

Find a track day group interested in working with you. I'm guessing Extremespeed will be the most lenient on competition rules and pricing. Don't organize the track day yourself; its thousands of dollars just for one day.

[roboticnissan]

I am currently talking with speedventures to set something up.

Tracks will be:

Streets of willow
Buttonwillow
Chuckwalla


We need 10 drivers at least.

Most events are about 150 with timing.

We need to make our own rules as far as car classification and stuff.

He all ready made really clear NO DRIFTING EVER

let's get some real interest in this, have a little meet and greet somewhere and everyone's input will be taken into making classes.

[MrMigs]

I am currently talking with speedventures to set something up.

Tracks will be:

Streets of willow
Buttonwillow
Chuckwalla


We need 10 drivers at least.

Most events are about 150 with timing.

We need to make our own rules as far as car classification and stuff.

He all ready made really clear NO DRIFTING EVER

let's get some real interest in this, have a little meet and greet somewhere and everyone's input will be taken into making classes.

Meet and greet sounds good. Where is everybody located?



The s2k challenge has been held by speedventures for many years. It has recently lost popularity, i think because the rules got too strict. Making a rules set that is SIMPLE and fair is ideal, but very difficult to achieve.
What recent track days have you guys gone too? I've been with speedventures and Extremespeed a lot this year, but I dont think I've seen many S cars.

Find a track day group interested in working with you. I'm guessing Extremespeed will be the most lenient on competition rules and pricing. Don't organize the track day yourself; its thousands of dollars just for one day.

True but I think everyone could agree that it's cheaper to cut out the middle-man. I'd honestly be more interested in doing this for the sake of fun / making history / bringing the community together, etc. than to make money off of people. We could do it WITH someone, but who knows if they'll be taking cuts or we could do it on our own and know/control all the numbers.

It's either going to end up being S-Chassis Champion Cup (or something similar) by X-company, OR just straight-up S-Chassis Champion Cup, by us for us, independent of anyone else.

What do you guys think? Latch onto an already-established trackday group or create our own?

[jspeedm]

I might set something up like this for the next Nismolism Show. Just a 1 day thing though, not a series.

[roboticnissan]

I go.to most s2k challenges. Also speedventures is the company to go with. And I have plenty of exp with them.

Did I mention that WE as a group can make classification rules?

Meet greet and discuss. Assuming that most of us are so.cal?

[MrMigs]

I go.to most s2k challenges. Also speedventures is the company to go with. And I have plenty of exp with them.

Did I mention that WE as a group can make classification rules?

Meet greet and discuss. Assuming that most of us are so.cal?

I agree most with bolded, and would like to hear more about experiences. I think most of us will be from SoCal, but let's see when others chime in. Hmm, by any chance did you use to live in Los Banos, CA?

[roboticnissan]

Never heard of the place sorry.

[MrMigs]

Never heard of the place sorry.

No worries, thought I might have known you previously from the norcal 240sx group in years past

[jspeedm]

why don't we meet and discuss at the s-chassis car show next weekend?

[roboticnissan]

Lets get a list going::


Roboticnissan

[MrMigs]

Roboticnissan
MrMigs

why don't we meet and discuss at the s-chassis car show next weekend?

Link?

[jspeedm]

http://zilvia.net/f/south-western-states/392184-3rd-annual-socal-s-chassis-car-show-meet.html

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[scratchymaster]

Hey guys, if you are negotiating with speedventures at least give some other organizations a call. $150 is actually $180 after the gate fee and transponder rental. I know extremespeed (http://www.extremespeedtrackevents.com/contact-us/staff-contacts)has averaged about $110 for events and generally gives free transponder rentals to series participants.
I was at streets with extremespeed this past weekend, and it was the most fun I've had with any organization:
S2k's at Streets Aug 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl0RewLCIrk)
With speedventures, any logos or other creations you make with them become intellectual property of speedventures, meaning they have a monopoly on your series. As an example, speedventures actually legally owns the phrase "s2k challenge"

[roboticnissan]

I only have exp with sv and I know the guy who runs it. So it would be a lot easier to.go thru sv.

Also the level of competition ( if you guys care) is much higher. Also I think sv events run a lot smoother.

[chrisjakcj]

I never raced or drove really fast, will i still be able to join? Are there any schools/academies that can teach you in LA county or oc?

[Teddy]

This sounds dope. I've always wanted to get into road racing. I don't think I can make it to the meet, but hopefully the updates will be posted here.

[Lil_D]

im down for this

[negrosx13]

i would be down for this,if i were closer

[MrMigs]

http://zilvia.net/f/south-western-states/392184-3rd-annual-socal-s-chassis-car-show-meet.html

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Open to meet / greet /talk about S-Chassis Cup during this event, maybe a little before it starts.

Of the other guys who said they were interested so far (azndummie, roboticnissan, SocalDrifter, jspeedm [obviously], and others) would you guys be able to make it to this?

[Mikey McFly]

Why don't you guys have the races down here in San Diego at Qualcomm Stadium. We race down here all the time and we have a really good group of 240 owners that road race also. SD Club Racing have their own series with simple rules so I'm sure it won't be too hard to get a series of just 240's started either. Are you trying to get everyone out on the track at once or more of a time attack thing going?

We tried to keep our group together but some grumpy old dude split us up. -_-
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x451/Mikey_McFly/SDCRV.jpg

[sw20>>s14]

can you guys report back after the meet and greet for us norcal folk? no t-hill? i know infineon and laguna are really expensive, but you guys need to at least come to t-hill...

[MrMigs]

^ Will report back!
Yea I would have listed some more, but I don't know what's up there. Give us some suggestions man. T-hill.... what else?

[ddf2006]

this sounds awsome, im in if this gets going. KA-T POWAAA lol

[SoCalDrifter]

I'm down lmk if you guys need any help with anything

[Dignity]

This sounds cool, but I know for fact I don't have the right setup for this if it happens in the near future lol. But I'm still down to attend haha.

[Zero_SX]

This is exciting, count me in.

[mudkipz]

Sounds like fun !

[MrMigs]

Hey guys just to let you know, I'll be contacting a few tracks soon to see what their requirements are. If there's any useful information to talk about between now and the meet/greet, I'll post it in here. Keep an eye out.

[MrMigs]

Okay all, here's the first update:

I got into contact with Christian at Willow Springs. Here's what he said as far as requirements:

We must have fire rescue for safety.
We must have an ambulance on site.

This is mostly taken care of by the insurance company. People who host events have a choice between getting insurance from the race track (aka Willow Springs), or they can go straight to signing up with their own insurance company. Typically, it costs more in the long run to buy insurance from the race track per event (1500-2000 per event). Christian recommended going with a company called K&K to provide insurance for all our events. (or might be KNK, need to look into it) This single company can provide insurance for events no matter where we have it, Willow Springs, Button Willow, Infineon, etc. They'd basically follow us around wherever we host events. So basically, insurance via track vs. insurance via insurance provider. Going straight to the provider is cheaper in the long run.

Now as far as the specific safety rules, like car requirements, passing, etc, it's all controlled by the insurance company. We have to follow their rules to meet their guidelines. So things as far as how many cars are on track, classes, and basically actually running the event is up to us and our insurance. Christian said that Willow Springs basically doesn't hold us to any of those sort of rules. They just require that we have insurance and we pay the rental fee, and the rest is up to us.

And finally the rental fee for the track is $8500 per weekend starting in 2012. Meaning, that's the price to have an event for a Saturday and a Sunday. They also offer test-and-tune for our event on the Friday before the weekend for teams if they want to prep for the weekend. However, those who are interested will have to pay an extra fee for that.

Scheduling: as far as scheduling goes, the rental schedule for Willow Springs 2012 is going to be filling up pretty fast according to the representative. I told him that we don't have a start date set in stone yet, and we're just looking for the rules and requirements for now. He was very cool with it, and helped me out with a good attitude on a Saturday afternoon.

And so, that's it for now. I'll be doing some more research and calling around and get back to you guys again. Anyone wants to help, pm me. Thanks!

[rob22]

intresting.
how about auto club speedway in fontana?
there always hosting time attack events and such.

[MrMigs]

^ I'll be sure to give them a call along with the other tracks

[angelus erratus]

If you do no take too long, i am in, i might not have that car too long.

I say we just copy paste the miata challenge rules, and go from there. There is only 3 classes: stock class, mod class, and unlimited class, it is point based, and every mod you do to your car adds points and moves you up a class if you reach the point limit for a certain class.

Stock class only mods are seats, steering wheel, roll bar, and harness, safety items actually deduct points from your total points, so you have more room in a certain class, but stock class is only limited, basically only summer tires and suspension, anything else and you get bumped up, and you are not allowed to gut your car in stock class.

[rcdad123]

If you do no take too long, i am in, i might not have that car too long.

I say we just copy paste the miata challenge rules, and go from there. There is only 3 classes: stock class, mod class, and unlimited class, it is point based, and every mod you do to your car adds points and moves you up a class if you reach the point limit for a certain class.

Stock class only mods are seats, steering wheel, roll bar, and harness, safety items actually deduct points from your total points, so you have more room in a certain class, but stock class is only limited, basically only summer tires and suspension, anything else and you get bumped up, and you are not allowed to gut your car in stock class.

yeah, this sounds like a good class rules to copy. makes it simple and easy to understand. i am down to go if time and money permits. i have only been to a racetrack once, at buttonwillow on april 2010, but i had a lot of fun. but i also spent about $325 to run one day. another $35 if i wanted to rent a transponder, which i did not. but like i said, if time and money permit, i`m down to go as far as buttonwillow(im in san diego).

[azndummie]

I think i can make it to the 3rd annual socal s chassis meet. As for Tracks we can start small at el toro marine base and qualcom stadium if needed. The tracks will be easy to get, the most problematic thing is getting insurance for track days.

[MrMigs]

^ Sounds good. I'll be going there for sure, as long as there will be some people there who want to discuss this. It says on the other thread that roll-in time is at 1PM, but maybe we should head in a bit earlier so we can park/find each other easier. K1's site says they open at 11am. Ok to meet up at that time?

And yes, small tracks will probably be cheaper as well... we'll figure it out @ the meet. People who plan to meet up at the 3rd annual s-chassis meet, add yourself to the roll call:

roboticnissan (i think)
MrMigs
azndummie

[scratchymaster]

do a lot of you guys have sr swaps? Someone should link up the rules, but I don't think miata challenge rules are specific enough for swaps.

Does it really cost $8500 + $1500 per weekend at willow springs??? To beat speedventures or extremespeed entry fees you'd need like 100 S chassis participants.

[sw20>>s14]

thanks for taking this and running with it mrmigs...definitely appreciated...

im in for sure and willing to pay up to 275/day...ive been paying 135-215 all year long anyway so i wouldnt mind paying more to run more intimately with s-chassis and explore new tracks down there...

mrmigs, you may also want to inquire about the tow truck, bathroom, food, and cleaning services (on track and facilities)...tracks offer different amenities and some tracks surprisingly dont offer some basic resources without a nominal fee...

hell, if it saves us money by cleaning the facilities ourselves, im sure we can all pitch in and not be slobs!

lets do this guys! first ever S1X challenge 2012!!!

[jspeedm]

please dont show up to the meet early. k1 has rented the facility to a company in the morning. I will make an announcement during the meet for the challenge group to meet. If you don't know who I am, just ask anyone with a radio for Big John.

[angelus erratus]

thanks for taking this and running with it mrmigs...definitely appreciated...

im in for sure and willing to pay up to 275/day...ive been paying 135-215 all year long anyway so i wouldnt mind paying more to run more intimately with s-chassis and explore new tracks down there...

mrmigs, you may also want to inquire about the tow truck, bathroom, food, and cleaning services (on track and facilities)...tracks offer different amenities and some tracks surprisingly dont offer some basic resources without a nominal fee...

hell, if it saves us money by cleaning the facilities ourselves, im sure we can all pitch in and not be slobs!

lets do this guys! first ever S1X challenge 2012!!!


swaps in most cases put you in unlimited class, but i am assuming the car has coil overs and tires at least, it would not be fair for sr cars to stay in stock class, unless they have stock suspension, i would automatically bump sr to mod class.

[angelus erratus]

when is the meeting? which k1?


how my car stands i would be in mod class.

we can figure out the point system later on but this is just a rough draft


1989 coupe stock single cam
coilovers +2
gutted +2
suspension arms +1
fia approved bucket seat and harness-1 (half point deduction for each safety item)
headers and exhaust+1
summer tires +1 (r comps would add more points)

so as it stands i have a 6 point car, and for this case stock class is limited to 4 points, this an example of how the class grouping could look, but this can be further discussed at k1.

[jspeedm]

^^^^^here
http://zilvia.net/f/south-western-states/392184-3rd-annual-socal-s-chassis-car-show-meet.html

[MrMigs]

please dont show up to the meet early. k1 has rented the facility to a company in the morning. I will make an announcement during the meet for the challenge group to meet. If you don't know who I am, just ask anyone with a radio for Big John.

Thank you for that offer, jspeedm. The only thing is, having a big announcement defeats the original purposes of meeting early. Really, no offense intended, I really do appreciate the idea from you.

The reason why I wanted to meet early is to avoid the crowds. If you make the announcement during the K1 Meet, I know there will be about 20-30 people who are going to crowd around just to listen with no intention of being involved. I would really like this first meeting to be a talk with a group of people from Zilvia who are really into this S-Chassis Champion Cup idea. And it need not turn into a kind of classroom lecture or monologue with a bunch of randoms mixed in, with me as the key speaker. I need this to be interactive, and the only ones who should be there are the ones from this thread who want to have real involvement and share their ideas.

So, please no big announcement. Anyone who wants to be involved with this, pm me your cell number and we'll swap contacts. Be at the meeting at K1 by 1:30 PM. I'll call everyone at 2pm and we'll meet up at the facility.

jspeedm, please check your pm.

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For those of you who are following the thread but will not be able to make it to the meet:

I will try to show some love for my Bay Area and San Diego (and other far-away land) peoples. So, I will try to either record the meet or set something up so you can watch it online via a live stream. Sounds overkill, but hey if you can't be there, at least you can be there, nomsaiyan?

[azndummie]

^awesome idea.

[autobahNESSA]

MrMigs, you are awesome for following through with this! I'm so down for this Challenge Cup. I'll try my best to make it to tomorrow's S Chassis meet :)

[roboticnissan]

Robotsicnissan checking.I. for duty.

We as an s chassis group.cannot rent out the.track ourselves.

We must go.through speedventures or another all ready well established organization.

This will keep costs down to 150 or less at all tracks.

[MrMigs]

MrMigs, you are awesome for following through with this! I'm so down for this Challenge Cup. I'll try my best to make it to tomorrow's S Chassis meet :)

Thank you very much, it was good seeing Azndummie, Dan, Jspeedm and yourself yesterday.

Robotsicnissan checking.I. for duty.

We as an s chassis group.cannot rent out the.track ourselves.

We must go.through speedventures or another all ready well established organization.

This will keep costs down to 150 or less at all tracks.

Thanks for checking in roboticnissan. I know how strongly you feel about going through Speed Ventures for this S-Chassis Cup, and so, as of the meeting yesterday, we've got AutobahNESSA checking in with her friend at Speed Ventures for pricing.

Before we go on and jump straight to the decision, I think it's fair (and proper) compare prices and do a pro/con comparison between going thru a 3rd party vs. doing it ourselves. I'll post her research on the thread, or she can go ahead and do so herself.

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RESULTS FROM THE FIRST S-CHASSIS CUP MEET @ THE ANNUAL S-CHASSIS MEET AT K1 SPEED:
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First off, thanks to those who were able to make it out to the meet just to discuss this idea with me. Thanks for your input. For everyone who was not able to make it out to the meeting, here's what's new!:

Seasonal (4-Races in the Year): For the first year of the S-Chassis Cup, we'll be doing one race per quarter. This is to make sure that the season will be affordable for people. And we want to do it this way before we dive-in head-first into a monthly racing series. This also allows participants to more easily afford to pay for their entry for the season. (Paying for 4 events [quarterly] is cheaper than paying for 12[monthly]). If this blows up and becomes very popular, then the next year's events will be more frequent.

Time Attack vs. Passing: Points for the first year of the S-Chassis Cup will most likely be done via time attack instead of passing. This has been decided in anticipation of the very strict rules that would be imposed to allow a wheel-to-wheel racing series. But we will be contacting an insurance company (K&K) to see what the rules/pricing differences are. We want to make this first year affordable for the majority of the people on the forum, and so to do this, we'll most likely be doing this as a time attack, allowing multiple cars on the track, but disallowing aggressive passing in corners. But again, it depends on the price and regulations. If the price is right, then you'll be seeing this as wheel-to-wheel, winner being the ones who place 1st, 2nd, and 3rd etc. Otherwise, it'll be done in time-attack format, with winners being the ones with the fastest lap times.

Insurance Company: We'll be looking into K&K to see what the details are. I'll take care of this part and report back, most likely sometime in this coming week.

Class Splitting: As of yesterday's meeting, we are likely to split into 3 classes -- NA, Turbo, and Unlimited. NA will be for people with KA engines, Turbo will be for people with SR, KA-T, etc. with a limit on mods, and Unlimited will be for people who cross the mod limit on the Turbo Class. That was one option. The other option is to split the classes based on power numbers. We'll be contacting a few dyno shops in SoCal first to see if they can offer discounts for dyno'ing for our racing series. If the deals are affordable, then we'll be sending participants to our authorized dyno shops for power measurement and assign the classes that way. Otherwise, we'll be going with the first option, and from now until later, it will likely be fine tuned.

As of now, we have people who can call the dyno shops in SoCal, but we're looking for someone to take care of this in the Bay Area. If anyone would like to volunteer, please pm me.

Racing Locations: Here are the list of tracks that we are going to be calling for pricing and rules. Also, following the track names are the list of persons who are going to call them. (assigned yesterday)

Willow Springs: Already Done - MrMigs $8500 per weekend starting 2012
Buttonwillow: Azndummie
Qualcom Stadium: AutobahNESSA
El Toro: AutobahNESSA
Thunder Hill: Ai
Chuck Walla: MrMigs
California Speedway: MrMigs/Jspeedm *

Again, we're going to be doing this racing series once per season (4 races) for the first year, and so we're most likely going to be going to the 4 most affordable locations that have nice courses / conditions.

* Jspeedm is already looking into setting something up with California Speedway. Although, it's going to be part of his other meet called Nismoism. We may go ahead and incorporate this into the S-Chassis Cup if things line-up properly, but it'll mainly depend on scheduling. More on that later!

Prizes: No, not raffle prizes. Fuk that, I'm talking about prizes for the top 3 and things of that nature. We intend to afford cash prizes or other amenities for our racers. We'll figure this part out after we get all the numbers put together. But just know that we DO want to offer this as a second incentive (besides pride) to join our series. You can race purely on pride, or you can be in it for the grand prize. Makes things much more interesting, right?

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And that about concludes the recap from the first S-Chassis Cup meeting. I'll announce the next meeting soon, so stay tuned. See you all next time!

P.S. who the heck changed the title to "S-Chassis Challenge Cup?" It WAS CHAMPION Cup originally. Don't think I didn't see that, son. :cool:

[sw20>>s14]

thanks for the minutes, mrmigs...

[scratchymaster]

Wow that's a pretty ambitious list of tracks. If you are considering the bay area you should throw up infineon raceway on the list too. Much closer to the bay than thunderhill, and they already do weekly drift events.
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[iggyspeed]

This sounds really good. I can get some ambulancez for us if this ever goes thru. Let me know if i can help in any way.

[MrMigs]

thanks for the minutes, mrmigs...

Welcome!

Wow that's a pretty ambitious list of tracks. If you are considering the bay area you should throw up infineon raceway on the list too. Much closer to the bay than thunderhill, and they already do weekly drift events.
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Hmm sounds good. I'll look into it. From last week's meeting, I heard from the others that this would probably be a very expensive track to rent. But I guess we'll see!

This sounds really good. I can get some ambulancez for us if this ever goes thru. Let me know if i can help in any way.

Definitely! I'll pm you!

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UPDATE: CHUCKWALLA RACEWAY

Alright, so sorry for the lack of updates. It's been a busy week. I just got off the phone with Chuckwalla Raceway, and here is the info for their track:

Rental Rate:
$4500 for a single weekend day
$8000 for both Saturday + Sunday

* If we're racing on a weekday, you can subtract $1000 from the rate PER DAY, so that's $3500 for a single weekday, or $6000 for two weekdays.

Insurance
As with Buttonwillow, insurance is required. If we go with our own insurance company, that'll be covered. Otherwise, Chuckwalla will insure us for $600 per day.

Ambulance Crew
An ambulance crew is required. I'll be pm'ing iggyspeed to see what his rates are. Chuckwalla can provide their own crew for $160 base per day + $80/hr.

Flagging Crew / Corner Workers + Lap Timing
Obviously, this will be us, but they can provide their own workers as well. Other stuff can be rented, like the timing equipment and having a tow truck on standby and radios and things like that. We may end up getting our own flags and timing equipment, but we'll have to see what the cost is (timing equipment is a grip, but may be n investment -- we'll see).

Chuckwalla's timing equipment is $100 to rent or $250 with timing staff included. And now, I don't know exactly what that $100 includes (If it's a single transponder or what), but Rene at Chuckwalla will get back to me, and I'll post the update.

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And that's the latest for now. More information coming soon!

[ericcastro]

Do it yourself.

10 events.
save 6K for 1st 2nd and 3rd prize money at the end of the season.

drift/gymkana/barrel race.
drag,
streets of willow,
HTM
oval (trust me, its so much fun for a driver, REALLY !! racing timed agianst others !)
auto cross (combine it with Nasa/SCCA guys)

Have a points system set up before hand.
run a season.
(also, have it a race day, and keep your racers in a private heat, other racers that day help cover track cost if there isnt enough running the season)

find obscure small tracks for a couple events.

[sw20>>s14]

Do it yourself.

10 events.
save 6K for 1st 2nd and 3rd prize money at the end of the season.

drift/gymkana/barrel race.
drag,
streets of willow,
HTM
oval (trust me, its so much fun for a driver, REALLY !! racing timed agianst others !)
auto cross (combine it with Nasa/SCCA guys)

Have a points system set up before hand.
run a season.
(also, have it a race day, and keep your racers in a private heat, other racers that day help cover track cost if there isnt enough running the season)

find obscure small tracks for a couple events.

ill pass on the first two and last two...

im personally more interested in bigger tracks and higher speed driving...no drifting for me either...

[codyace]

SE-R cup existed, and allowed 240sx...where is it now?

[Karlitos]

I'm in aswell as another 2 people I know that arent on here.

If your serious you might get more bites over at NRR.

Make the first season small (5-events?) Streets, BW #13, Chuckwalla, Laguna Seca (EXPENSIVE!), theres also fontana infield, Infineon, T-Hill. Don't do auto-x, doesnt really make sense to combine them, especially not a lot of people want to drive 5 hours for a central location and just auto-x. Its easier to get people to go on track. Time-attack mode like S2K challenge would be nice and a simple structure like miata challange.

I really hope this happens, it'd be fun!

[PandahZ650]

I'd be in if any of the events take place in NorCal!

[codyace]

So the East Coast gets no love?

[iggyspeed]

ill pass on the first two and last two...

im personally more interested in bigger tracks and higher speed driving...no drifting for me either...

+1 on that. maybe just road racing would be good. but different types of rules like endurance, time attack and etc.

[codyace]

+1 on that. maybe just road racing would be good. but different types of rules like endurance, time attack and etc.

Most time attack cars couldn't last 15 minutes
Most '240 Cup' cars wouldn't last 20
And the other 75% are just pretenders

...but the rest of us with beat ass 240's who have been doing HPDE forever would last a regular enduro, be fast on a 'time attack' and not break. To each their own though

[iggyspeed]

okayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[MrMigs]

Do it yourself.

10 events.
save 6K for 1st 2nd and 3rd prize money at the end of the season.

drift/gymkana/barrel race.
drag,
streets of willow,
HTM
oval (trust me, its so much fun for a driver, REALLY !! racing timed agianst others !)
auto cross (combine it with Nasa/SCCA guys)

Have a points system set up before hand.
run a season.
(also, have it a race day, and keep your racers in a private heat, other racers that day help cover track cost if there isnt enough running the season)

find obscure small tracks for a couple events.

Thanks for the feedback. That's a good idea about making it a race day while keeping our racers in a private heat. It all depends on how many people join. It would be quite a sight to see 100% all 240sxs though, seriously it would make my day. I'll make a note of your idea though -- it's a good one, and there's a chance that we'll have to go with it!

SE-R cup existed, and allowed 240sx...where is it now?

I'm pretty sure that's a rhetorical question, but I had no idea they allowed 240sxs. Were the 240s in a separate class, or mixed in with the SE-Rs?

I'm in aswell as another 2 people I know that arent on here.

If your serious you might get more bites over at NRR.

Make the first season small (5-events?) Streets, BW #13, Chuckwalla, Laguna Seca (EXPENSIVE!), theres also fontana infield, Infineon, T-Hill. Don't do auto-x, doesnt really make sense to combine them, especially not a lot of people want to drive 5 hours for a central location and just auto-x. Its easier to get people to go on track. Time-attack mode like S2K challenge would be nice and a simple structure like miata challange.

I really hope this happens, it'd be fun!

Mark my words, it will happen -- it's only a matter of time. And I do realize that the guys at Nissan Road Racing may take this more seriously, but I've been on Zilvia since 2001, and I want to support this community first. I believe there were and still are a decent handful of people on this board who take their hobby with pride and are interested in racing. And if they've strayed to other places, I invite them to come back and post on this thread!

I'd be in if any of the events take place in NorCal!

Read the thread, my friend. We ARE planning to come to NorCal!

So the East Coast gets no love?

Let's hope this thing gets popular enough to spread over to your side of the country. I had a daydream earlier... that there was a West Coast S-Chassis Cup and an East Coast Cup as well. Each region chose their ten fastest people and settled a national battle somewhere in the Mid West. But it was team play. On the track, the team with the collective lowest lap times was the winner. Anyways, I'm jumping way too far ahead... it's still a dream for now.

Most time attack cars couldn't last 15 minutes
Most '240 Cup' cars wouldn't last 20
And the other 75% are just pretenders

...but the rest of us with beat ass 240's who have been doing HPDE forever would last a regular enduro, be fast on a 'time attack' and not break. To each their own though

When I read this, I got the message that the people with "beat ass 240s who do HPDE" are the ones who really take good care of their cars. Although you say "beat ass," the fact that you say they'd "last a regular enduro, be fast, and not break" tells me that everything that needs to work works well. I remember when this was the norm -- the idea that we'd take care of our cars and tune them as if we already knew we were going to keep them for the rest of our lives.

I really wonder how many people would be able to successfully race an enduro with their 240sxs. If the existance of a 240sx enduro would bring back that sort of "I'm taking care of (and tuning) my car for the long run" mentality... I wonder... I wonder if it would have enough influence... I wonder if it's enough of an invitation for people to take good care of these cars.

okayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

YEAYAHHHH I got your pm

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I'm happy to see a few more people jumping into this thread, and I'll post up more updates as they come. As of this moment, I'm inquiring for some quotes on insurance. If anyone has any recommendations on motorsport insurance companies (besides the already-mentioned K&K) please pm me. Thanks!

[sw20>>s14]

awesome awesome awesome...lets get this together before i sell my s14! ive been on the fence about selling it, but if this pulls through, i will keep it for at least another track season...

[MrMigs]

^ You shouldn't be selling it in the first place. You already gave her a name! :)

[MrMigs]

Update 2 from Chuckwalla Raceway

Timing / Equipment Fee:
Thanks to Nicky for taking my call. He's the owner of the track. So, for people who are completely new to this, this is how lap timing works:

Each car will have a transmitter called a "Transponder."
And on the finish line is a sensor for the transponders, which is called a "Loop."
The Loop is connected to a computer, which has a timing program.

To rent the Loop with the computer, and for access to the building where the computer is located costs $150 for the day. Each transponder is $40 to rent. So, for Chuckwalla, we'd be looking at $150 + $40 per car. This is assuming that we'll have our own staff up in the building with the computer.

And the system they run off of is called "AMB My Lap."
If anyone here has experience with the system and wants to get involved, please pm me.

Now, if we need the track themselves to handle the computer, we pay $250. The transponders will still be $40 per car. However, if we rent more than 30 transponders (which we will), then the rental price drops to $30 per transponder.

"The Monitor:"
So basically since we're fresh at this, Nicky wants an additional $500 per day to watch us run our event. He wants to make sure we're being safe and all that good stuff. Also, the general message I felt was that we shouldn't do a time trial from the get-go because we're so new at this. Trust me, I know this man is afraid we're all going to be crashing into each other and destroy the track. Fine and dandy.

But he DID say that we can run a regular track day (not "race" event) and offer transponders to those who DO want to know what their times are. Fantastic, it's basically the same thing as far as I'm concerned, except we'll just call it a "fun run" instead of a "race day," except... really... it's a race day. It's just that the mentality would be different he says. Interesting...

At the end of the conversation (which I had to cut short) he said that we can STILL run a time attack if we want to. Don't worry Nicky, we'll be good.

[kevmeistah21]

i'm down for this! I finally got another job so i'll be able to spend the funds needed :)

[MrMigs]

i'm down for this! I finally got another job so i'll be able to spend the funds needed :)

You still owe me a sandwich from that otherwise free S13 seat I gave you. Your entrance fee will be cash + 1 roast beef sandwich from The Hat in San Gabriel! Lol just playin with you man (semi). Glad to have you aboard!

[tacotacotaco]

super interested and following this thread

[codyace]

Let's hope this thing gets popular enough to spread over to your side of the country. I had a daydream earlier... that there was a West Coast S-Chassis Cup and an East Coast Cup as well. Each region chose their ten fastest people and settled a national battle somewhere in the Mid West. But it was team play. On the track, the team with the collective lowest lap times was the winner. Anyways, I'm jumping way too far ahead... it's still a dream for now.

Honda Nissan Challenge like 10 years ago with SCC was similar to this.


When I read this, I got the message that the people with "beat ass 240s who do HPDE" are the ones who really take good care of their cars. Although you say "beat ass," the fact that you say they'd "last a regular enduro, be fast, and not break" tells me that everything that needs to work works well. I remember when this was the norm -- the idea that we'd take care of our cars and tune them as if we already knew we were going to keep them for the rest of our lives.

My comment was probably written with way to much hidden angst, or just 'hatorade' as the new kids call it. I just htink that any reputable/fast/reliable cars IMO aren't 'pretty' enough to impress anyone anymore. One thing that really irks me about 'time attack' (which is an overly stupid name for something) cars is that they aren't designed to 'last'. They are setup for a few warm up laps, couple burners, and then time to pit (or be pushed in)...to me what's the point? Anyone with the cash can create a fast time attack car...but it takes a decent brain to campaign/run a car session after session/day after day without major issue (not to mention support their own car).

To me, the biggest thing I do laugh at are how so many people are more concerned with bodykits and flashy paint and becoming internet famous, rather than setting up their car. Call me grumpy/I like to think of my self as a realist.



I really wonder how many people would be able to successfully race an enduro with their 240sxs. If the existance of a 240sx enduro would bring back that sort of "I'm taking care of (and tuning) my car for the long run" mentality... I wonder... I wonder if it would have enough influence... I wonder if it's enough of an invitation for people to take good care of these cars.


Trust me, I agree with you...to me the entire point of a 'challenge' or 'cup' car is to show off how well built it is...which to me would involve a true 30min-45 minute race/session to really know (if not longer). I hate to sound so cocky, but I know my car is damn fast, stupidly reliable, but generally a pretty plain car (as are most reliable 240 in my experience). IMO it's a great idea, but I think it would be initially flooded with way to many pretenders...

[Karlitos]

But he DID say that we can run a regular track day (not "race" event) and offer transponders to those who DO want to know what their times are. Fantastic, it's basically the same thing as far as I'm concerned, except we'll just call it a "fun run" instead of a "race day," except... really... it's a race day. It's just that the mentality would be different he says. Interesting...


I think what he means by race and time attack and runs are passing rules. A race is usually open passing wherever and requires a sanctioned license(NASA/SCCA/etc). And then theres the run gropus that can pass anywhere with a point by, and the beginners who can only pass on straights with point bys. These different categories of "racing" have different insurance rates n stuffs. Thats what I figure he means. Which BTW, if it were split up into groups (beg/inter/adv) would this apply to a handicap on points? Im not sure how S2Kc is but i do know people run in different groups and compete for a common prize.

[urban2]

good luck you guys.
i used to run the Miata Challenge with speed ventures. which are the best track org out there.
you need to have your own classing/rules set. we ran three groups street/mod/unlimited.
tires are the biggest factor for classing.
look at other challenge series for rules to get a head start.
Time attack is the only thing you can do . anything else will really just complicate ,and raise the budget.
our biggest obstacle was making it affordable enough to get you newbs out .
everyone was afraid of getting beat. but in reality its just about having fun.
if you go at a track org with your rules/classing , and a few drivers , then im sure they will let you run it. at least speed ventures or extreme speed will.this route is much cheaper then doing it your self.
you guys should just get together at streets , ask for your own run group, and go for fastest lap.

[urban2]

after reading more.
you guys will never get a wheel to wheel race up. never . evryone will have to pass safety.
truth is you will be lucky to get 10 cars to run a track day and compete for lap times.
i never see S chassis at the track , so i know you wont have enough cars .
flooded by pretenders ? i doubt it you will be lucky to get some cars out there , just so your not the slowest one out.
really if you want a challenge series , it needs to be simple to start out.
i wouldnt dream about the best way to measure you car up against some one elses.
just get the cars out and compare lap times with a real track org with real timing.
truth is a good driver in a crap car on good tires will dust an average driver in a hot cafr on street tires.

[articdragon192]

My Z knocks me out of this series. I has a sad :(

[kevmeistah21]

You still owe me a sandwich from that otherwise free S13 seat I gave you. Your entrance fee will be cash + 1 roast beef sandwich from The Hat in San Gabriel! Lol just playin with you man (semi). Glad to have you aboard!

LOL! I literally said " damn, i hope mike(right?) doesn't remember me, i still owe him a damn meal from somewhere! It ended up biting me back in the ass, i'm surprised you still remember that! I pass by your pad to go to my buddies house, maybe i'll drop off a sandwich someday haha!

Back on topic, I'm down for this. I have a buddy that runs with scca but i'm a little intimidated to run with them. I'd rather run with a group with similar chassis, setups, and interest.

[MrMigs]

Honda Nissan Challenge like 10 years ago with SCC was similar to this.

My comment was probably written with way to much hidden angst, or just 'hatorade' as the new kids call it. I just htink that any reputable/fast/reliable cars IMO aren't 'pretty' enough to impress anyone anymore. One thing that really irks me about 'time attack' (which is an overly stupid name for something) cars is that they aren't designed to 'last'. They are setup for a few warm up laps, couple burners, and then time to pit (or be pushed in)...to me what's the point? Anyone with the cash can create a fast time attack car...but it takes a decent brain to campaign/run a car session after session/day after day without major issue (not to mention support their own car).

To me, the biggest thing I do laugh at are how so many people are more concerned with bodykits and flashy paint and becoming internet famous, rather than setting up their car. Call me grumpy/I like to think of my self as a realist.

Trust me, I agree with you...to me the entire point of a 'challenge' or 'cup' car is to show off how well built it is...which to me would involve a true 30min-45 minute race/session to really know (if not longer). I hate to sound so cocky, but I know my car is damn fast, stupidly reliable, but generally a pretty plain car (as are most reliable 240 in my experience). IMO it's a great idea, but I think it would be initially flooded with way to many pretenders...

I doubt having this racing league is going to change that mentality (importance of kits/flashiness/popularity) instantly, but it'd at least give us other guys something to look forward to, and at the very least something for the internet racers to appreciate. Ideally, it could very well give people an extra something to take pride in. It might change the way a lot of us treat our cars (for the better). And that's a big maybe, but it's one that I'd like to see happen.

Welp, gotta start somewhere. The general consensus is to keep things simple for the first time around, and I think that's not a bad idea at all (time attack). After we get all the kinks out and if the popularity is high enough, we can start making things more interesting and doing things like enduro. We won't know unless we try, but damn it I want to try. And what you're basically telling me is that you've been taking care of your car, which is great. It's not cocky, it's just the way it SHOULD be, in my opinion, assuming you love your hobby.

I think what he means by race and time attack and runs are passing rules. A race is usually open passing wherever and requires a sanctioned license(NASA/SCCA/etc). And then theres the run gropus that can pass anywhere with a point by, and the beginners who can only pass on straights with point bys. These different categories of "racing" have different insurance rates n stuffs. Thats what I figure he means. Which BTW, if it were split up into groups (beg/inter/adv) would this apply to a handicap on points? Im not sure how S2Kc is but i do know people run in different groups and compete for a common prize.

You know what, I think you're right. He was saying that when people know they're in a "race," it's an all-out battle to get ahead. But when it's an open event, people take things a bit more friendly, wave people by, etc. The group-splitting / handicapping rules still needs to be worked out. Right now, someone has that "assignment" (which I hate to call it, but it is what it is). And I hope he gets back to me soon with some more ideas. Thanks for the feedback by the way!

good luck you guys.
i used to run the Miata Challenge with speed ventures. which are the best track org out there.
you need to have your own classing/rules set. we ran three groups street/mod/unlimited.
tires are the biggest factor for classing.
look at other challenge series for rules to get a head start.
Time attack is the only thing you can do . anything else will really just complicate ,and raise the budget.
our biggest obstacle was making it affordable enough to get you newbs out .
everyone was afraid of getting beat. but in reality its just about having fun.
if you go at a track org with your rules/classing , and a few drivers , then im sure they will let you run it. at least speed ventures or extreme speed will.this route is much cheaper then doing it your self.
you guys should just get together at streets , ask for your own run group, and go for fastest lap.

after reading more.
you guys will never get a wheel to wheel race up. never . evryone will have to pass safety.
truth is you will be lucky to get 10 cars to run a track day and compete for lap times.
i never see S chassis at the track , so i know you wont have enough cars .
flooded by pretenders ? i doubt it you will be lucky to get some cars out there , just so your not the slowest one out.
really if you want a challenge series , it needs to be simple to start out.
i wouldnt dream about the best way to measure you car up against some one elses.
just get the cars out and compare lap times with a real track org with real timing.
truth is a good driver in a crap car on good tires will dust an average driver in a hot cafr on street tires.

Well, in my opinion, just because there aren't a lot of S-Chassis out there now doesn't mean that it's an impossible idea. First, you have to tackle the reason as to WHY there aren't any 240sx owners out there. Forgive my shot in the dark, but I believe that one of the reasons is that there's just not enough of an invitation for the S-Chassis crowd. Here's my example: Everyone drifts because it's just so... available. Back a bunch of years ago, there was 1 drift event per month and it was more-or-less targeted for these cars + a few others. So now what I want to do is something similar, but racing, and still target it for this community. And I know for a fact that people have been waiting for this to happen.

Thanks for the response, but I think we might as well give it a try. I mean, Extreme Speed and Speed Ventures started somewhere, right? Instead of trying to ask them for help, why not aspire for something greater? You can't hate ambition, and the comments aren't enough to defeat myself and others who are passionate about this from at least trying.

LOL! I literally said " damn, i hope mike(right?) doesn't remember me, i still owe him a damn meal from somewhere! It ended up biting me back in the ass, i'm surprised you still remember that! I pass by your pad to go to my buddies house, maybe i'll drop off a sandwich someday haha!

Back on topic, I'm down for this. I have a buddy that runs with scca but i'm a little intimidated to run with them. I'd rather run with a group with similar chassis, setups, and interest.

MY POINT EXACTLY! And this is why I want this thing to happen. There's a certain comfort level that comes with knowing that you're running amongst other people whose cars are on the same level as yours. Or at the very least, you'll know that your car has the ability to be as fast as the fastest car in your class. Attainability...competition... goals that are challenging but reachable; back-and-forth friendly rivalries. The S-Chassis Cup creates a level playing field that I believe many of us want to play in! So, let's do it!

And by the way, you cannot mess with a man's sandwich. If there's anything I'll remember, it's the names of people who owe me sandwiches. No way in hell I'd forget that, man. ;) And yes, my name is Mike.

[ericcastro]

There's a certain comfort level that comes with knowing that you're running amongst other people whose cars are on the same level as yours. Or at the very least, you'll know that your car has the ability to be as fast as the fastest car in your class. Attainability...competition... goals that are challenging but reachable; back-and-forth friendly rivalries. The S-Chassis Cup creates a level playing field that I believe many of us want to play in! So, let's do it!


From spending a life of competing, I would actually argue that its the exact opposite.

The fear of compitition comes from fear of yourself not measuring up.

So if everyone has similar cars, then if you dont win, you are a failure.

With SCCA, I dont expect to beat a lotus, the subaroo guys or the 87 civic hatch. So the fear is gone, because its the tools, not me, that define my position.

[sw20>>s14]

id disagree with that "copout" mentality, but whatever floats your boat!

[MrMigs]

From spending a life of competing, I would actually argue that its the exact opposite.

The fear of compitition comes from fear of yourself not measuring up.

So if everyone has similar cars, then if you dont win, you are a failure.

With SCCA, I dont expect to beat a lotus, the subaroo guys or the 87 civic hatch. So the fear is gone, because its the tools, not me, that define my position.

True, but you can overcome that fear and you can overcome that failure with practice, can't you? Knowing that the obstacle which separates you from being the best is what's in your hands and in your mind, not in your wallet -- that's supposed to be a good feeling, isn't it? It's an obstacle that could be overcome through study and passion. In your situation, you don't fear defeat from a Lotus or some other cars because you know that the situation is hopeless. It's automatic defeat. Hopelessness -- isn't that a worse feeling? You know that no amount of training will allow you to beat your opponent if they're in some of those other cars. I hate to sound like I'm putting you down, but in fact I am interested in your point of view and where you're coming from since your view is opposite from mine, and it does sound like you have more experience at the track than I do. What can you say about this comment? I'm sure at some point, it must have felt like the sky was falling when it felt like you had no chance against your competition.

At some point, you may have thought, "F this car, I'll try racing with something more 'capable'." I want to create a situation where instead of saying that, people will say, "F myself, I'm going to work on my driving technique." People would have to be responsible for their defeat. And likewise, winners could relish the fact that they won based mostly on skill.

Again, you've probably got more experience than I do, but is there no room for my point of view amongst the polished racers? I would hope that there is.

[jspeedm]

Just to give an example of how easy it would be to start:

Button Willow 9/24/11
Auto Club Roval 10/8,9/11
Streets of Willow 11/5,6/11
Auto Club auto-x 11/19,20/11

This is Speed Ventures already existing schedule. They can handle insurance, staffing, timing, etc. We just need 20 or so cars for our own run group and someone to keep track of times and points.

We could run a series before new years. If you want to keep the name for yourself in the future, just call it something else with SV at first and use the 240sx Challenge Cup once there are enough people to split on our own.

[scratchymaster]

Hey Mr Migs,where are you getting the funds to kick start that first event? Sounds like you'll have to cough up a few thousand dollars, and HOPE enough people sign up to pay you back. Even Speedventures has a few events a year where they lose money.
If you have to open invites to other cars just to break even, there's no benefit over joining an established host organization.

[MrMigs]

We could run a series before new years. If you want to keep the name for yourself in the future, just call it something else with SV at first and use the 240sx Challenge Cup once there are enough people to split on our own.

Not a bad idea. Since the last meeting, we were considering running a few "testers" with a 3rd party. In the end, it depends on what everyone wants to do. And by "everyone," I'm referring to the people who are going to to be running this with me.

Hey Mr Migs,where are you getting the funds to kick start that first event? Sounds like you'll have to cough up a few thousand dollars, and HOPE enough people sign up to pay you back. Even Speedventures has a few events a year where they lose money.
If you have to open invites to other cars just to break even, there's no benefit over joining an established host organization.

It's coming from the piggy bank, basically. As jspeedm suggested, going with an established host may be a decent way to begin, but I think it would be a little... unambitious... to want to stay that way for the long haul. BUT, I agree that it's not a bad place to start. Please forgive me for my stubbornness; I just prefer our group to be in full control and be completely aware. And I hope I'm not aiming a little too high. Believe me, I'm not tossing your suggestion out, and every day I think about whether or not we'll have to latch onto someone else for support/assistance and also the practicality of the matter and being an independent hoster etc etc. I for one would rather take the difficult way out and have us do all the work ourselves. As I said in jspeedm's response, we'll have to see what the other participants (event organizers not drivers) want to do and go from there. Thank you very much for the advice and the heads up.

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Update from California Speedway:

They basically have the same requirements as the other tracks I've looked into so far, except they do not rent timing equipment. Here are the rental rates that I received in my email from Brian:

1.45 mile road course - $8,500 per day (I'm pretty sure he meant 4-mile, not 45)
2 mile oval - $11,000 per day
2.8 mile road course - $16,500 per day

So, as you can see, California Speedway kinda costs a grip! Either way, there's the info to take note of.

Basically, at this point, what I'm doing here is researching all the potential tracks. Once we have all the information, I'll put it all into a chart and post up some comparisons. From there, we can pick and choose where we want to go.

[sw20>>s14]

even with all the nay sayers...im still down for sure, assuming some norcal venues will be in the mix...like i said, ive been paying 135-215 all year so i wouldnt mind paying a little more for the cause and exclusivity...

maybe its about time to start laying the groundwork for some sponsors or endorsements...maybe from nearby hotels in exchange for exclusive rates, shops, etc...just a thought...

thanks again mrmigs for all the effort...

[edub91]

Hi I've been catching up with this thread. I'm excited to see this in the works. I was on the verge of selling my car but now am rather inspired. I've done track days with speed ventures. I was very intimidated at first from all the high hp cars but it was too much fun. Hope to see y'all at the track soon!

[Teddy]

I've hit up a few friends, and I've recruited 3 more to this! LETS DO ITTTTT!!!!!!!!

[ManoNegra]

Haven't been spending too much time on this forum lately
missed this thread
I'm down, as are a few friends
I'll pass the information along

btw, a few of us are planning to attend the upcoming
Cal Club event at Buttonwillow October 1-2
Buttonwillow Raceway Park (http://www.buttonwillowraceway.com/)

[Fubar66]

This sounds amazing, if this actually happens and you need a graphic designer (logos, posters, ads. etc) Let me know. Id love to be a part of this, besides just winning the season :P

[SoBay240guy]

Haven't been spending too much time on this forum lately
missed this thread
I'm down, as are a few friends
I'll pass the information along

btw, a few of us are planning to attend the upcoming
Cal Club event at Buttonwillow October 1-2
Buttonwillow Raceway Park (http://www.buttonwillowraceway.com/)


Yeah what he said,

SCCA CalClub are the guys who do the flagging and safety for LBGP every year, a really cool group that is basically made up of litle series just like what we are talking about, and they are trying out a time trial format at the oct 1-2,

Being a less commercial entity they probably care less about the name of the group we want to run,

CalClub also owns Button Willow...and they have a large schedule that we could weasel into all over SoCal

[urban2]

check out trackhq.com
these are straight up grass roots track guys that do what you guys want to .they would have some great ideas on how to start up a series.

[SoBay240guy]

silly me i guess... I thought you guys were serious or something...no response here or Via PM's

[iggyspeed]

We should have a meet about this so we could see who's really down about this

[Zero_SX]

So I had a chat with migs earlier. The seriousness is still serious. As soon as he is no longer banned (October) pm's will be answered, more info will be delivered as well as a schedule for another official meet up.

[sw20>>s14]

just had a track day last friday at t-hill and was thinking how awesome it would have been to be all 240s! im still on board for sure!

btw, why'd migs get banned? what bad timing huh?

[horse110]

Hey guys, I've ran with SV,ST, and NCRC events many times as well as S2K challenge for the past few year and I am really looking forward to a 240sx challenge and to be honest, you should give up on the idea of renting a track for 240sx only; you simply don't have enough participants to have a whole day. I've never seen more than 4 240sx at a track day ever.

S2k challenge was at its prime last year with well over 30-50 participants per event, but it died out this year because extremespeed offers much lower price but at boring tracks. As mentioned earlier, SV owns the "S2000 Challenge" and would not let the previous event organizer move the series to ES ONLY because it's cheaper and will draw more new blood. So now there is S2k challenge at SV and S2k championship at ES which basically ripped the series in half with low attendance at both events.

Now some of us had an idea to revive it perhaps you guys can do it this way.

Start an independent group "240sx challenge" or "s-chasis cup" or even "Nissan Challenge" (which will include z/g for more participants), and host SOW and HTM with extremespeed because tracks are smaller and ES is cheaper, these are easy tracks for new comers. Then host BW, big WS, Laguna Seca, Infinion with SV for the intermediate and advanced drivers. That way we can keep our own series title and we control where we will take it to in the future. This way, we can expand to Norcal easily without any contract restrictions from SV/ES.

Speedventures will let us have our own time attack session for series participants and I'm sure ES will do the same. The TA session is at the end of the day with participants gridded based on fastest times and each car gets 1 slow lap, 2 hot laps, and 1 cool down laps.

I think for now, we don't have to worry about prizes and sponsors as SV and ES both give out track day credits to podium finishers and that's enough for a new series to get started, if this series really works out and has at least 15+ regulars then we can ask local guys APR/Evasive/RisingStar/etc to sponsor us.

As much as I want this series to start and thrive, I can guarantee it won't have a second event if you insist on renting a private track day.

[GrippyMiata]

I was at Extremespeedtrackevents this weekend and I've been following this thread...
I talked to the owner of extremespeed and told him if he would he interested in a 240 challenge and he said YES!!!! he said if we like and get enough 240's we can do it an HORSE THIEF MILE with them in OCT and he will give trophies and do raffles for all 240 who attend,THAT sounds like a great offer to ME..

What do you guys think?

[Cartoon Writer]

I was at Extremespeedtrackevents this weekend and I've been following this thread...
I talked to the owner of extremespeed and told him if he would he interested in a 240 challenge and he said YES!!!! he said if we like and get enough 240's we can do it an HORSE THIEF MILE with them in OCT and he will give trophies and do raffles for all 240 who attend,THAT sounds like a great offer to ME..

What do you guys think?

Sounds great,I'M in for sure :squintd:.
I have ran with extremespeed twice and they are a great group.Let's do it

[macidcrook]

sorry i didnt read every single word in this thread so im sorry if i get something wrong
But im assuming that you guys want to run actual race cars like cages suspension the whole nine yards, not just a s chassis track day. correct?!?!

why not run the Motoiq pacific tuner car challenge? unlike scca and nasa and others there is only 2 groups and it goes by Power to wieght ratio not what parts you have on the car. and its alot cheaper then running it your self

heres the rules:

Final MotoIQ PTCC Rules - MotoIQ - MotoIQ - Forums - Motorsports (No lame ass street racing stories) - MotoIQ Pacific Tuner Car Championship (http://www.motoiq.com/forum/aff/92/aft/937/afv/topic/afpgj/1.aspx#10269)

[stinky_180]

^Read the thread..

BTW, the OP has been banned?

[sw20>>s14]

ok, i just signed up for TMR's track package for 10.7 @ t-hill and 11.19 @ infineon...if you guys dont get this together soon, im just going to keep blowing money on other organizations :mepoke:

[scratchymaster]

How would you guys feel about getting the ball rolling with a generic time attack class, called something like Street tire 1? Extremespeed is already forming this for December:
Extreme Time Attack (http://extremetimeattack.com/street-class-rules.php)
Their draft rules lump cars 2.5L and under together, which hurts you NA guys since you'll be competing against s2000's. I proposed to them to instead lump cars of similar performance together (S2000's with 350z's) and I think a similar list can be made with your cars. Doesn't have to be set in stone, but how about:
240sx NaturallyAsp
Miata NA and NB
MR2 NaturallyAsp
ae86
cressida

Turbo cars:
240sx sr20
mr2 turbo
mazdaspeed miata
genesis 2.0t

Once that gains popularity, you guys will have the participant base to go independent.

[SoBay240guy]

you also sir should please read the thread, or atleast the title

[scratchymaster]

UPDATE: CHUCKWALLA RACEWAY

here is the info for their track:

Rental Rate:
$4500 for a single weekend day

Insurance
Otherwise, Chuckwalla will insure us for $600 per day.

Ambulance Crew
Chuckwalla can provide their own crew for $160 base per day + $80/hr.
($800/day)

Lap Timing
Chuckwalla's timing equipment is $100 to rent or $250 with timing staff included. $40 per car

Rental rate + insurance + ambulance + timing beacon is
4500 + 600 + 800 + 150 = $6050. Flagging crew is perhaps 5-8 people at maybe $100/person, for a grand total of

$6550 FOR ONE SATURDAY!

So, SoBay240guy, unless you are willing to help Mr Migs shell out three grand in cash PER EVENT, this series has to start out small and cheap.

Extreme already set their first time attack day in December. sw20>>s14 already got too impatient to wait for this. If you guys don't get at least a practice event in this calendar year, more people will grow impatient and lose interest.

GROW your core participant base, then go independent.

[SoBay240guy]

I thought i told you to read, obviously you didn't read any of my posts I have not been an advocate for renting the track ourselves

So kindly go shut the fuck up

then learn to fucking read

then try to add something to this conversation...

I also have a track day i'm attending this weekend that i didn't see you register for or acknowledge...fuck i forgot you don't read...sorry

[scratchymaster]

If YOU read the thread, Mr Migs (who I quoted from, and therefore read from) is the topic starter and he ideally wants a standalone operation just for s chassis cars. The difficulty in that is the enormous cost and liability involved. Maybe there are a handful of others willing to pitch in for a starting fund.
The ONLY thing you've brought is "hey guys, join my group called CalClub." You listed nothing about cost or special privileges for this series.
Others have listed Speedventures and Extremespeed. Speedventures has more skillful drivers, but extremespeed has the much lower entry fee averaging about $125/event this year.
Since no date has been picked for the first S chassis event, I proposed talking with XS. They are already planning a time attack series starting in December, and will continue to plan something even if no one here is interested. Their draft rules heavily disadvantage the ka engine (which I informed XS), so if there is interest an inquiry should be made sooner rather than next year.
I went to Sunday's XS event. My gas for the day costed more than my entry fee. I made a small video here:
battle2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYVIG0diJqg)
Please refrain from childish language. Unlike you, I don't want this thread shut down before it reaches something useful.

[SoBay240guy]

not my group just a suggestion for another organization that should be considered,
they have a website you have a browser figure it out,

and as you stated Mr.Bigs idea was "IDEALLY" to rent the track our selves but that point was conceded a while ago as probably not gonna happen out of the gate,
which is why you are so annoying in having not caught up on the thread before posting,
quit hurrying up and trying to get a post count and READ, maybe comprehend is a better term to use with you....obviously you can "read" but it seems alot isn't sticking to the hard drive

[scratchymaster]

I already looked up calclub.com, a region of SCCA. Their main focus is road racing, which for this thread is wayy beyond its scope. SCCA is known for having anal rules (disqualification for no sun visors). Their website has no info on time trials but SCCA has a document here:
http://cms.scca.com/documents/2011%20Tech/2011%20TTR%20Complete.pdf
in which on page 23 it states a time trials license is required. I have no idea how much that costs.
If you proposed calclub, you should have done the research for the rest of us.

On the first page of this thread I proposed speedventures or extremespeed for getting the participation stirred up. You, SoBay, are the one who's not reading.

[SoBay240guy]

thanx again for not being able to comprehend...that section is the requirements to be an official,

stop trying to prove me wrong you look stupider and stupider by the minute,

you obviously have no experience with Cal club or SCCA that's fine but don't go spreading BS you "heard" because im sure your auditory comprehension is about on par with your reading comprehension...

I did the research difference is I understood what i read...please try again...no rather please quit trying

[xpertsnowcarver]

If YOU read the thread, Mr Migs (who I quoted from, and therefore read from) is the topic starter and he ideally wants a standalone operation just for s chassis cars. The difficulty in that is the enormous cost and liability involved. Maybe there are a handful of others willing to pitch in for a starting fund.
The ONLY thing you've brought is "hey guys, join my group called CalClub." You listed nothing about cost or special privileges for this series.
Others have listed Speedventures and Extremespeed. Speedventures has more skillful drivers, but extremespeed has the much lower entry fee averaging about $125/event this year.
Since no date has been picked for the first S chassis event, I proposed talking with XS. They are already planning a time attack series starting in December, and will continue to plan something even if no one here is interested. Their draft rules heavily disadvantage the ka engine (which I informed XS), so if there is interest an inquiry should be made sooner rather than next year.
I went to Sunday's XS event. My gas for the day costed more than my entry fee. I made a small video here:
battle2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYVIG0diJqg)
Please refrain from childish language. Unlike you, I don't want this thread shut down before it reaches something useful.

After this post.. I don't think you know what you're talking about. Calclub is similar to Speedvent...... Ahem... Excuse me... I have that backwards... Speedventures, USASpeedTrial, Extremedimensions, etc are like CalClub. CalClub has been around and has more knowledgeable people/employees running the show. FYI, their prices for time trial events are even cheaper... No one has a 240 club challenge for obvious reasons that maybe you're not understanding.

I already looked up calclub.com, a region of SCCA. Their main focus is road racing, which for this thread is wayy beyond its scope.

I don't understand you at all now.... Road racing and time attack go hand in hand...

[scratchymaster]

Can someone please post some links for SCCA time trials? At least post what the price for this weekend's event is, and classes they run.
Road racing requires a roll cage, fire proof race suit, undies, gloves, shoes, Rcomp or better tires. You can't really daily drive a road racing car. I'm under the impression most parties interested in this thread don't trainer their 240. A time attack car (HPDE) doesn't have these minimum requirements.

[SoBay240guy]

so where are your presumed requirements from?

2 days 3-20min sessions per day $190.00

calclub.com

all of the cars in this picture were teched for the last event we did with CalClub, Time Trials

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c9/240sx_god/IMG_1337.jpg

you obviously assume I am stupid, I wouldn't have suggested a racing body that required those things for a series like this, un chip your shoulder and learn a few things

[vegaspeed]

im down to run!

[xpertsnowcarver]

Geez... Of all the pics... You picked that one? I'm lookin' pretty goofy... :picardfp:

Here we go. How about a picture of a lot of regular cars passing tech, including daily driven 240s. Yea... There's a GT40 in the mix... But there's also a Volvo wagon with some vinyl that makes it look like a cow...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v731/XpertSnowCarver/Auto%20Club/AutoClubSpeedway059.jpg

Yes.. You can daily drive a road race car. I did for two years. No.. You don't need a roll cage (a roll bar for convertibles.. yes), fire proof race suit, undies, gloves, (omitting - shoes??), Rcomp or better tires.... None of the cars in the two pics above have any of that.... Okay... maybe "undies".... But shoes... Seems logical and should go without saying.

You basically need a car that doesn't leak anything, has good condition tires, brakes, and seat belts... We all need to start somewhere, and if you standards were put in play (the requirements you mentioned above), a "240 Club Challenge" would NEVER exist because you just eliminated 90% of your interested participants...

[Cartoon Writer]

Extremespeedtrackevents.com is doing a grip or you can also sign up for Drift event at Horse Thief Mile Oct 16,they already have several 240's signed up,
let's get lots of 240's out and maybey we can get them to give trophies out or we can see about doing it with extremespeed at there Oct 29th track day at Streets of Willow
Let me know......................

[sw20>>s14]

:aw::2f2f::confused::bash::(:cry:

[SoBay240guy]

cal club expressed an interest in hosting an event for any group that had a handful of participants, I hadn't even brought this up, they just mentioned it to me while I was chatting it up with the race chair(wo)man at the tech trailer.

[codyace]

Check out the SE-R Convention/Moto IQ idea for next year at Ohio. I know I'll be there. It's an "Ultimate Street Car Challenge" for SE-R (FWD Sentra/G20 and RWD 240).

[spitfire7]

Sounds great!!!! Im down. Pm me with some info.

[sw20>>s14]

i've been to 5 track days in 6 months and the idea of this died WHY now?............

[iggyspeed]

we should just coordinate a nice track day first see if we have alot of people that are interested rather than putting up the money and renting a track right away.

[azndummie]

I'm thinking about starting up a competition GRIP series for S-Chassis with Extreme speed track events. I just wanted to post a feeler on who would still be interested?

[autobahNESSA]

I'm thinking about starting up a competition GRIP series for S-Chassis with Extreme speed track events. I just wanted to post a feeler on who would still be interested?

Definitely, count me in!

[Akito86]

That be great keep entry fee accesibl,e and time to plan the event ahead and for sure we will show.

[azndummie]

We will be holding a Nissan challenge with extreme speed track events at willow springs on the 13th of october for all of you that want to go to a fun event against fellow 240 and nissan z or infiniti g drivers. We should get a nice 240 crowd out there and have some fun! I'll be out there!

[thegame213la]

I'm so down for this!!!!

[sw20>>s14]

Count me in for sure once (or if) you guys decide to take this up to Norcal.

[tacotacotaco]

how about meet halfway at buttonwillow

[tacotacotaco]

seems this is going down in this form

http://zilvia.net/f/motorsports-skilled-driving/499004-2013-nissan-competition-presented-corner3-garage-extreme-speed-track-events.html

[sw20>>s14]

Hmmm, right when I've retired my S14 from track duty. Looks like some awesome events though!