What can the 240 out-handle?

[mastaflash05]

i was just wondering what cars can the 240 outhandle with suspension mods. i know that any car can handle great with the right amount of money, but im wondering what could the 240 rip apart in the corners when up against other cars with similar sus. mods. for example, supra, viper, 300zx, 350z, miata, ... ect.

[RBS14]

It depends on the driver.

But assuming the same driver in both cars....... i'd say a 240 might have a bit on a newer supra...... they're pretty heavy. But everything is relative.

[old_s13]

You should be writing "what can the 240SX compete against." I've raced Ferrari's and dusted them due to driver error, but I've also been beaten by modified Sentra SE-R's and WRX's in the canyons out here. So, its really a matter of what cars are in the same class that can compete with the 240SX, not out-handle.

- Mike

[Bliss]

so, after all that, you still didn't help (as im doing as well). in your opinion, what could the 240sx "compete" with. im assuming youll say "everything, it depends on the driver."

i dont understand why these are so hard. people always want to nitpick with these. assuming you took the same driver and put him in different cars and had the same amount of money spent on them (not counting price of the car, and ASSUMING (yes, do this for me for a second, dont consider how real life works, please) both cars are in perfect running condition, which cars could the 240sx outhandle (or compete with, whatever you choose)?

[lbcklik1486]

Originally posted by Bliss
so, after all that, you still didn't help (as im doing as well). in your opinion, what could the 240sx "compete" with. im assuming youll say "everything, it depends on the driver."

i dont understand why these are so hard. people always want to nitpick with these. assuming you took the same driver and put him in different cars and had the same amount of money spent on them (not counting price of the car, and ASSUMING (yes, do this for me for a second, dont consider how real life works, please) both cars are in perfect running condition, which cars could the 240sx outhandle (or compete with, whatever you choose)?

:werd: I hate how everything hasta be overanalyzed. whats so hard about assuming the same driver in each car, w/ completely the same ammount of suspension, same relative spring rates, etc, (i know this is gonna get analyzed as well, but a'well)

[phrozen]

technopro spirit mr2

[f2a4s0t]

I really doubt that anyone has driven these different cars in the circumstances you describe so it would be hard for them to say. The 240 has better weight balance than the supra,viper,300 ect. if that helps any.

[tsunami0ne]

maybe u guys should start comparing stock skidpad numbers.

[hondaguy]

Originally posted by phrozen
technopro spirit mr2

that thing is fast,madd cornering speed

[crioten]

am i safe in saying a minivan?





seriously though, a lot of cars that may race you will most likely have some suspension mods done to it...so that may throw off your question a little more too

-glen

[sykikchimp]

:ghey:

you ask what cars? the list would be PAGES AND PAGES long.. there are SO many cars built over history that are WAY less capable than the 240.

I think my car is faster than a model T... maybe.
:p

[JasonNagra]

Originally posted by sykikchimp


I think my car is faster than a model T... maybe.


Nope, I'll dust you in my T.

[old_s13]

Originally posted by Bliss
so, after all that, you still didn't help (as im doing as well). in your opinion, what could the 240sx "compete" with. im assuming youll say "everything, it depends on the driver."

i dont understand why these are so hard. people always want to nitpick with these. assuming you took the same driver and put him in different cars and had the same amount of money spent on them (not counting price of the car, and ASSUMING (yes, do this for me for a second, dont consider how real life works, please) both cars are in perfect running condition, which cars could the 240sx outhandle (or compete with, whatever you choose)?

Bliss, dont be stupid. This topic is retarded and people are just going to start writing opinions about any and every car they think are lesser than the 240SX.

If you want to COMPARE, go BUY some Best Motoring videos. Atleast they take the time to put each car on the track through several laps with varying conditions (uphill, downhill, rain, different drivers, etc). This way, you see the PROS and CONS of each car and each driver -- NOT the "lets look at the technical performance specs, 0-60 times, and skidpad results" like most Americans do. Although these figures ARE important, they dont win races -- drivers do.

You simply cannot do what you are saying: ASSUME the same driver was behind the wheel of several different cars. Humans are not machines, we are individual and have preferences. From what I've observed, it appears to me that Kei Tsuchiya is great at driving older, simpler, RWD cars. Interestingly enough, I saw videos of him driving more advanced cars like the WRX and EVO.. he didnt seem too fond of all its computerized gadgetry. Part of the reason I like his driving technique is because he respects cars that lack ammenities (power steering, abs, and corrective computer devices). He's more die hard, if you ask me.

- Mike

[Warwick5s]

dag yo! my 240 can out handle any other car in my family! my mom's buick, my little brothers taurus, and my dads chevy express - ALL TOASTED BY THE MIGHTY 240!!!


this thread is :ghey:. when you throw suspension mods into the mix, and when you already have such a HUGE variable like driver...there's no way to tell.

[Bliss]

old_s13: yeah, they driver is probably one of the most important parts (i only say "one of the" because if you throw a stock '89 base model Celica versus a highly modified *choose your favorite super car here*, i dont care what kind of driver you have, its not gonna be close). however, he IS looking for opinions, which is ok. why is it bad to discuss and argue and get opinions? you of all people know its not.
lets no be so stupid as to be comparing it to a '92 buick or some old POSs. if the thread is really that gay, then dont look at it. like someone said, the cool thing about this forum is that you can hit the "Back" button and choose a new one.

[old_s13]

because if you throw a stock '89 base model Celica versus a highly modified *choose your favorite super car here*, i dont care what kind of driver you have, its not gonna be close).

Because the only way to compare cars like this, is to compare cars that are in the same class. You have look at things like weight, HP, drivetrain, and aerodymanics when passing judgement on which car is "better."

Like I said, driver is the most important thing.

-m

[mastaflash05]

ok let me modify my question then. What cars, similar to the 240, have as much potential in handling and suspension? again i know... "with the right amount of mon...". im talking with spending similar amounts with similar parts. like many people will upgrade shocks and springs, or coilovers.

and im sory for making a geh thread.

[aznpoopy]

taking similar costs, you're going to come up with a few basic comparisons; and most likely, competitors. mr2, fc3s rx7, a civic coupe, impreza, civic hatch, mx-5 miata, mitsubishi eclipse, older supras. you can start throwing in other more uncommon sporty cars like mx-6, ford probe, 3000GT, fd3s rx7. you can also throw in cars that u encounter but aren't really considered sport cars like the galant, accord, etc. but i'll stick to the basics.

mr2 > 240sx : depends on driver, but equal drivers with equal familiarity with each car, the mr2 has an advantage i think. however, generally the 240 is going to be faster cuz not many people can deal with heavy oversteer.

fc3s > 240sx : driven one, that's just what i think. i'm sure people may disagree. of course the fc3s will end up in the garage after one race. mazda build quality + more then a decade of wear and tear = pain in the ass. rx7s seem to be GREAT grip cars, and even pretty decent drift cars after a bit of setup from what ive read.

mx6, probe, eclipse, civic cp/htch < 240sx : unless its got alot of suspension mods (and even if it does) i'd bet on the 240. course it depends on the driver blah blah blah but rwd owns in the right hands.

miata > 240sx : smaller, lighter, lower... its not really a fair comparison. when you lose, take heart in the fact that you can actually fit another person in your car.

old supra < 240sx : big, heavy, and most likely rusting. i haven't seen a single one well taken care of, so a true comparison is out of the question imo.

fd3s rx7 >>>> 240sx : given the price difference, it's not really a fair comparison. fds are VERY nimble.

3000GT, newer supras, impreza ??? 240sx: never driven or driven against, so i don't know.

galant, accord, etc < 240sx : lol. heavy fwd 4dr sedan vs lightweight rwd sports car? the other driver either has a good sense of humor or he's a ricer. or the car has tons of money in it and ur gonna get burned.

my opinion only. assuming very basic or stock. about 6k tops per car. example : s14 with a filter, kybs+prokit, a muffler, street tires, ka24de. nothing super 'tricked out.' of course cheaper cars can get more mods but u get my point. feel free to disagree.

[old_s13]

z32 or z33, jza80 supra, sw20 mr2, and fd rx7 are all more expensive so they obviously come with better equipment from the factory. think, stock vs stock the 240sx has 205/60/15 while cars like the fd can come with 225/50/16 or also 245/45/16, all stock. it should be no wonder that they are better, stock.

there are pro's and con's with each vehicle. the ones listed about typically come with more power, bigger brakes, and are more or less designed as very good GT cars. The MR2 being one exception, as its a good light-weight canyon car as well. The cars that I think are better in design would be the sw20 mr2 and the miata, they have advantages in their size that the 240sx simply doesnt.

with a bit of beefing up, the 240sx can compete with all the larger, more powerful cars I listed above.. even the skyline. its just a matter of work, and how much you want to sink into your car.

[RedlineRacer]

Originally posted by old_s13

From what I've observed, it appears to me that Kei Tsuchiya is great at driving older, simpler, RWD cars. Interestingly enough, I saw videos of him driving more advanced cars like the WRX and EVO.. he didnt seem too fond of all its computerized gadgetry. Part of the reason I like his driving technique is because he respects cars that lack ammenities (power steering, abs, and corrective computer devices). He's more die hard, if you ask me.

- Mike

Kei Tsuchiya is bad ass. Theres a Best Motoring video floating around on Kazaa that has him racing a GT-R, Supra, and an RX-7 in his s15 (all where heavily modded. his s15 had like 600hp IIRC). He kicks all their asses except the jack ass in the GT-R rams him in a corner and he comes in 3rd. But he led the entire race until then.

[h3x11]

Originally posted by mastaflash05
i was just wondering what cars can the 240 outhandle with suspension mods. i know that any car can handle great with the right amount of money, but im wondering what could the 240 rip apart in the corners when up against other cars with similar sus. mods. for example, supra, viper, 300zx, 350z, miata, ... ect.

it can out-handled my 2-stroke,lawn mower engine powered go-cart ;) j/k. but basically with the right suspension setup and driver competence, the 240 can be very competetive.

[mastaflash05]

ok well how about this... (dont get pissed im just wondering opinions and some facts) if you took the price of a higher priced car, lets say 25k, and that was all you had to spend, then you had a 2k s13, that you put the rest of the money into good worth wile performance in every catergory(brakes, sus., power) then do you guys think the 240 woudl be very competitive against the higher priced car?


- in just wondering. if you think hypothetical things are geh or stupid, then you dont have to reply.

[misnomer]

Yes, with twenty three grand in work, an s13 will pwn most cars running 25 grand.

The trouble with trying to compare modified cars is once folks start working on them, all bets are off. It's even hard to argue price points.

What you'd want to argue would be a stock 240 vs a stock something else. Specific vehicle, not just a "ah heck, all of dems!!"

Anyhow, I have an opinion of a minorly modified (tokico struts and springs) 240sx vs a stock WRX. Granted, I am not as good with the WRX as I am with my s13, but I do prefer the 240 handling. The subaru just felt big.

[crioten]

omg, do you realize that if you spent 23k on performance crap on a 240, you will basically have a super car...if not better lol

-glen

[Nolaws4evr]

thats one thing that has always pissed me off. a couple of my buddies have some high dollar sports cars, i.e. evo 8, FD, supercharged cobra, STI... and they all think they are such badasss b/c they drive such cool expensive cars, only their PARENTS bought them. Im just like, give me the difference btwn your car and mine and I will straight up own you in any aspect of racing. they dont seem to care tho b/c the way things are now they just walk all over me and it pisses me off. I cant wait for that one day...

[mastaflash05]

yeah, but im sure your car pwnes them in the looks catergory. it doesnt get much better than an s14.5. well, other than an s13.5 :D jfwy

[97DubTruck]

Originally posted by mastaflash05
yeah, but im sure your car pwnes them in the looks catergory. it doesnt get much better than an s14.5. well, other than an s13.5 :D jfwy

his friends have sti's. those are so badass. sunday i worked an autocross and one did a 52 second pass with hks exhaust and some up'd boost. that thing looked and sounded and performed so gnarly. little bit bigger fan of a mean sti than a s14.5 or s13.5 for that matter.

[thx247]

Even with the re-written question this topic is silly and subjective to too many variables.

If I was going to even bother trying to say what car is better, I would go and research the cars that win races. I don't see 240's taking G stock in the SCCA Solo II nationals for example. Even using that as an example, it would be very easy to argue that the 240 is in the wrong class or unfairly restricted. Or that there are just morons driving them.

Adam H seems to do quite well in his class when he races, he often is chasing much larger higher HP cars within tenths of a second. Then I go and look elsewhere and I see a Toyota Paseo beat a bunch of 240sx and RX7's.

Its pointless and impossible to say what the car is better than, stock or modified.


Worry about the driver before you worry about the car. Its not hard to chase much better cars in a 240, just like it isnt hard to chase better cars in an integra, rx7, corvette, sentra, civic, miata, echo, mustang, probe, NSX, 3 Series, neon, talon, prelude, 3000GT, 200sx, 911, Impreza, celica.....

POINTLESS DEBATES MAKE MR K CRY.

:bash: :cry:

[nocomedown]

Originally posted by 97DubTruck
his friends have sti's. those are so badass. sunday i worked an autocross and one did a 52 second pass with hks exhaust and some up'd boost. that thing looked and sounded and performed so gnarly. little bit bigger fan of a mean sti than a s14.5 or s13.5 for that matter.
:werd:
i'd take an STi over any sort of 240sx/silvia conversion. those are just plain hot

[No Motiv]

YOUR MOM.........well thats just what i think... Actually it really depends on the driver. So you can really tell when you are the best driver ever! so tell me if that happens...

[Vatche]

i own srt-4's in the corners haha....
and i had SHOT ass tires and small ones at that on really crappy non balanced rims....imagine what i could do with better stuff....oh and sway bars.....oh and lsd....shit then id start to own hahaha

[mastaflash05]

ok one thing i have learned from this thread, is that much of the "cars" performance, is actualy in the drivers ability to control it. thanks for the replys, and i guess you can stop if you all would like :)

[old_s13]

I dont like cars like the EVO and WRX because they are too tall. Tall cars are stupid, I dont care how they perform.

- Mike

[zero.counter]

Originally posted by old_s13
Bliss, dont be stupid. This topic is retarded and people are just going to start writing opinions about any and every car they think are lesser than the 240SX.

If you want to COMPARE, go BUY some Best Motoring videos. Atleast they take the time to put each car on the track through several laps with varying conditions (uphill, downhill, rain, different drivers, etc). This way, you see the PROS and CONS of each car and each driver -- NOT the "lets look at the technical performance specs, 0-60 times, and skidpad results" like most Americans do. Although these figures ARE important, they dont win races -- drivers do.

You simply cannot do what you are saying: ASSUME the same driver was behind the wheel of several different cars. Humans are not machines, we are individual and have preferences. From what I've observed, it appears to me that Kei Tsuchiya is great at driving older, simpler, RWD cars. Interestingly enough, I saw videos of him driving more advanced cars like the WRX and EVO.. he didnt seem too fond of all its computerized gadgetry. Part of the reason I like his driving technique is because he respects cars that lack ammenities (power steering, abs, and corrective computer devices). He's more die hard, if you ask me.

- Mike
For once Mike...I agree. :bowdown:

[aznpoopy]

Originally posted by old_s13
I dont like cars like the EVO and WRX because they are too tall. Tall cars are stupid, I dont care how they perform.

lol... so biased and irrational! but so funny at the same time. :)

[hurleyboi514]

Originally posted by phrozen
technopro spirit mr2

that thing is the shit!!

[old_s13]

Originally posted by zero.counter
For once Mike...I agree. :bowdown:

It was only a matter of time until you got assimmilated by the collective.

JK...

Come on now, who else puts the time and effort on this forum to word things so eloquently? To answer that question, its definately not me.. but shit, I atleast get people laughing, thats all that matters.

:)

Remember, the WRX, EVO, Civic SI (or type-R) are ALL stupid.. and thats ONLY because they are tall cars. I dont care how lowered they've been, they are stupid.

This is why cars like the Esprit, Pantera, NSX and Testarossa will always remain cool in my eyes.

[nrcooled]

I've always liked to think that my 240 handles really well but the more familiar with the Mazdaspeed the more that I realize that it's a better handler.

It's a "point and shoot" type of car that can be easily prevoked into oversteer if needed. Exit speeds are higher in the 240 and I feel that the 240 has the advantage in long sweepers where it will hold a line better. The more familiar I get with the MSP I think soon I will be p0wning the 240.

I paid 17k for the MSP and have 9k total in the 240 (including price of car). I can always kill the MSP in the straights though.

HICAS doesn't hurt either:aw:

[old_s13]

Protege = Tall
240SX Hatch = Low

Are you still confused as to which car is better? How are you even considering comparing a car that is ATLEAST 10 years old (assuming its a `93), to a brand new Mazda?

Point and shoot? My friend's Protege came with Dunlop SP9000's, those arent exactly CHEAP tires.

I'de love to show your Protege my tail lights. :)

[nrcooled]

I am just playing devil's advocate here. I still have complete confidence that I can post up significantly quicker lap times in the s13. But the question was what can the 240 outhandle and given the right driver the MSP can make a case for itself. Not to mention the type-R.
This comparison is done with the 240 having an SR, HKS race springs and AGX shocks w/ HICAS and a bone stock MSP (kinda scary to think what the MSP modified will do)

BTW- I had to relearn how to drive FF to get to the point that I am at now. (I've had the s13 since '95)

[thx247]

I'm trying to get a MSP out to the next track day- I want to see what it can do

[nrcooled]

Will you be driving it?
If so:
Just remember to regulate your throttle imputs a little more to keep the frontend from plowing. Tourque steer in the MSP is a beeoutch. Propper throttle control will keep a smile on your face.

I feel that I can be sooo much more agressive in the 240 then the MSP and can get to 100% throttle a lot faster out of corners. At the same time though I feel that I can get into corners a lot faster in the MSP (that has a lot to do with the insane brakes on the MSP though). I feel that I can get into corners a lot harder in the s13 ::if that makes any sense::

Edit: Mid-corner imputs are much more responsive in the 240 as well (simple lift throttle will get her to do what I want) but as I stated before you can trail brake the MSP to get it on line if you come in too hot

[Exessive26]

Originally posted by nrcooled
I've always liked to think that my 240 handles really well but the more familiar with the Mazdaspeed the more that I realize that it's a better handler.

It's a "point and shoot" type of car that can be easily prevoked into oversteer if needed. Exit speeds are higher in the 240 and I feel that the 240 has the advantage in long sweepers where it will hold a line better. The more familiar I get with the MSP I think soon I will be p0wning the 240.

I paid 17k for the MSP and have 9k total in the 240 (including price of car). I can always kill the MSP in the straights though.

HICAS doesn't hurt either:aw:

I have a SR swap in my 240 and a MSP too..and I could'nt agree with you more.

[Silverbullet]

some of you guys make it sounds like the 240SX is some road magnet or something. IMO, the 240SX isn't nothing special. Maybe for its time or something, but cars like Imprezas just totally rape the 240SX in handling. I work at Subaru so i get a chance to drive all of them. Porsche and Volvo seem to have unbeatable handling as well. My friend owns a Carrera and an S60R and both of those can take this one turn at over 75, while i'm struggling with staying on my own lane going 55-60.

[Red]

Man my friends Honda CRV will out handel most of us... I have driven it... its AWD you toss that shit in a corner and it grabs the road hard...

AWD is the best. Hard launch! Hard corners! Grip in rain in snow in anything...

Front and rear wheel drive are just gimp.

And if you dont belive... There are many car test videos that put alot of other cars vrs AWD cars... and guess what... A Lancer will eat all of us.

I like the 240's but I'm not going to drift on the road... I'm guna blow 25k and make it AWD!


________________________________________________

My Dream Car is almost ready! if it was only AWD!

http://www.factoryfive.com/table/ffrkits/GTM/gtmupdate/gtmrelease.html

[nrcooled]

Originally posted by Silverbullet
some of you guys make it sounds like the 240SX is some road magnet or something. IMO, the 240SX isn't nothing special. Maybe for its time or something, but cars like Imprezas just totally rape the 240SX in handling. I work at Subaru so i get a chance to drive all of them. Porsche and Volvo seem to have unbeatable handling as well. My friend owns a Carrera and an S60R and both of those can take this one turn at over 75, while i'm struggling with staying on my own lane going 55-60.

A propperly setup suspension is what is neccesary not AWD. In poor conditions an AWD setup is ideal but in dry conditions a RWD can be as fast/faster.

AWD will not help you stick in a corner any better. I will help you accelerate out of a corner some but you will just get massive understeer just like a FF. Especially on the front wheel biased impreza the skyline on the other hand is a different beast (RWD bias with the front helping).

I watched so many WRXs at the track just plow to the outside as I was waiting for their shennagans to stop so I could pass. This was stock susp. VS stock susp. I was owning WRXs all day (there were three present at my same skill level)

Just passing some info. Find a twisty road I will be all over the a$s of a WRX.

[old_s13]

Originally posted by Silverbullet
some of you guys make it sounds like the 240SX is some road magnet or something. IMO, the 240SX isn't nothing special. Maybe for its time or something, but cars like Imprezas just totally rape the 240SX in handling. I work at Subaru so i get a chance to drive all of them. Porsche and Volvo seem to have unbeatable handling as well. My friend owns a Carrera and an S60R and both of those can take this one turn at over 75, while i'm struggling with staying on my own lane going 55-60.

aww boo hoo, your 240SX cant handle. Sounds like someone's car needs maintanance and something other than NITTO tires.

-m

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by old_s13
aww boo hoo, your 240SX cant handle. Sounds like someone's car needs maintanance and something other than NITTO tires.

-m

OR.. he could come out to a track day this spring, and see what its all about! :) Really learn why he can't keep up with those subarus. ;)

[canaidianz32]

hello yall are looking way to far int this i have a s14 and a z32 and the 300z kills the 240 hands down in any aspect. it is wider and faster try to keep up....

[old_s13]

Originally posted by canaidianz32
hello yall are looking way to far int this i have a s14 and a z32 and the 300z kills the 240 hands down in any aspect. it is wider and faster try to keep up....

uh huh...

sounds like someone's head is up their culo.

How about being more descriptive.. what type of 300Z, NA or Turbo? How about being more descriptive as to what type of 240, stock or modified?

Dont be retarded. A Z32 *SHOULD* kill a 240SX, hands down in any aspect.. stock for stock. But then again, the 300Z is a fuckin whore of a car to work on, its heavy, and its not nearly as light. Hence the reason why the stock Z32 brakes suck ass, and why those brakes work so well with the 240SX.

So, before you start talking about how much better the Z is, throw more details into your post. If I ever catch you in the canyons, I'll make sure to beat up on you a bit. Once I'm done with that, I'll take all that extra insurance money I saved and spend it on another set of tires for my lowly 240SX. Which btw, runs tires just as wide (maybe wider) than your Z32. :) Just keeping things in fair perspective.

ps: My car has nicer tail lights and more powerful headlights. :) :)

- Mike

[canaidianz32]

listen i aint tring to put down the 240 i have a 1990 240 5 spd stock, and i also have 1990 300zx non turbo it is a canadian model it also is stock. Yes a 240 is lighter no crap it is shorter and narrower so yes the 300 brakes do work good on it. that aint rocket science... oh yea full coverage on both 245 a month. so you must buy some crappy tires so i realy dont have to worry about you. so you wont be beating up on any one. with a good set of brake pads not the crap from walmart it will stop very well. I didnt attack any one personaly i was stating my opinion . everyone bashes z32's i have both how many of yall can say that, i have a unbiast opinion.

[RobsNismO]

Originally posted by nrcooled
A propperly setup suspension is what is neccesary not AWD. In poor conditions an AWD setup is ideal but in dry conditions a RWD can be as fast/faster.

AWD will not help you stick in a corner any better. I will help you accelerate out of a corner some but you will just get massive understeer just like a FF. Especially on the front wheel biased impreza the skyline on the other hand is a different beast (RWD bias with the front helping).

I watched so many WRXs at the track just plow to the outside as I was waiting for their shennagans to stop so I could pass. This was stock susp. VS stock susp. I was owning WRXs all day (there were three present at my same skill level)

Just passing some info. Find a twisty road I will be all over the a$s of a WRX.

those wrx drivers arent driving it right, or they re not as used to it yet. wrxs slightly understeers if you dont turn it the right way, just like how mr2s will just snap oversteer if you dont know what you re doing, if you get the cars personality, it turns really good. for some cars, even if you get its personality, its handling just still sucks, in the wrx's case, its a great handling car. wrx's awd system usually sends more power to the rear wheels, thats what subaru saids at least, otherwise i guess it wouldnt be able to drift.

[KyoLo]

A crazy ' 88 truck driver on Glendora mountain can beat anyone, including any 240sx...
Because he's crazy... seeing is believing, you'll know what i'm talking about.

[Halz]

Worst. Thread. Ever.

[old_s13]

robnismo> wrx's awd system usually sends more power to the rear wheels, thats what subaru saids at least, otherwise i guess it wouldnt be able to drift.

The DRIVER is responsible for making a car drift, NOT the car. This damn TRENDINESS is getting out of control, people need to understand that ANY car can be setup to " drift " -- the whole reason the 240SX is in the lime light is because the car is CHEAP. The 240SX's low price makes it a good candidate for thrashing. The NSX can also drift, but amazingly enough its not considered a "drifter's car," maybe because most people dont want to risk destroying and/or maintaining an expensive car.


canaidianz32 listen i aint tring to put down the 240 i have a 1990 240 5 spd stock, and i also have 1990 300zx non turbo it is a canadian model it also is stock. Yes a 240 is lighter no crap it is shorter and narrower so yes the 300 brakes do work good on it. that aint rocket science... oh yea full coverage on both 245 a month. so you must buy some crappy tires so i realy dont have to worry about you. so you wont be beating up on any one. with a good set of brake pads not the crap from walmart it will stop very well. I didnt attack any one personaly i was stating my opinion . everyone bashes z32's i have both how many of yall can say that, i have a unbiast opinion.

I prefer Bridgestone RE730's, what do you prefer? Bah, who cares! You're in Texas dude, are there even turns out there? Oh and yes, just incase you were curious, my family has owned the following cars: `81 280ZX, `86 NA Z31, `90 S13, `90 Z32-TT, and a `95 S14. I think I too quality as a NISSAN enthusiast who isnt biased in his opinion.

-m

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by Halz
Worst. Thread. Ever.
:stupid:

[RobsNismO]

old_s13....well i meant it wouldnt be able to drift as good or wouldnt be abe to drift as easily, but any car? if drifting is what i think it is, then i dont know about any car, i dont think front wheel drive cars are doing real drifts, they re only sliding.

[RBBaby]

old_s13 ownz all of you.

[old_s13]

Originally posted by RobsNismO
old_s13....well i meant it wouldnt be able to drift as good or wouldnt be abe to drift as easily, but any car? if drifting is what i think it is, then i dont know about any car, i dont think front wheel drive cars are doing real drifts, they re only sliding.

The word DRIFT is over-used, its getting even MORE over-used every day that passes us by. Why? Because people are trying to describe something that most of us cant really do, or do easily, or atleast do easily on the streets without getting thrown in jail.

Personally, I dont care for ANY FWD car that slides. Wait, allow me to correct myself.. I dont care much for just about any FWD car, period. Not that I dont like the vehicles, I like quite a few FWD cars. I just dont care much for FWD cars attempting to slide. But what do I know, thats just my opinion.. right? If you REALLY love your FWD car and want to slide it, shit, by all means.. slide it. But the whole beauty behind RWD is sliding, "DRIFTING", whatever you nuts wanna call it. I like RWD cars because the rear push while the front steer and brake, thats all.

When I go to the local market, Ralphs for instance.. I like to push my cart from isle to isle while powering the back end out. Now SURE, I can easily pull really hard from the front and have the back end slide out, but thats just not as fun. I really enjoy plowing the back end out.. except of course, when I go to Trader Joes.. those damn karts have 4 wheel steering, fuck now I know why people disable hicas. :)

Yeah, I need to be locked up.

- Mike

[nightwalker]

I'm sorry, but I don't like wrong wheel drives either. For you guys that think a 240 can't handle, stop being cheap, and maintain that car at the very least. Spend some money on it and it'll amaze you. My car with real coilovers, (not "can overs") and a lsd is a very different car from a stock 240. Its that much of a difference. The ability is there in the car, you just have to extract it.

[canaidianz32]

for summer i use potenza S-02 and for winter, our rainy or ice season( it is a total of 2 months max) i use pirelli's 210 snow sports...oh yeah there is turns, plus a hell of alought if strait roads to no were, good racing streets... Oh yea i wasint asking about your family tree of cars. "dude" just because you are from cali. dont mean ish..... ill make shure to write you and meet you their for a lunchen and a race, next time i come for a show...mike