Class Action Suit: Flashoptions.com

[transient]

Well, I've had enough with flashoptions screwing me out of money. They misrepresent themselves completely and it's time for it to end. I invite anyone who has purchased a clip from flashoptions to get in touch with me [email protected] because I'm going to be working on a class action suit, (if there isn't one going already), against flashoptions.com. Aparently there are already about 47 other people who are pretty annoyed with them and I'm going to be getting in touch with them soon. Please send me an email if you have been burned by them. Make the subject line: "flashoptions class action" if at all possible because I'll be filtering it into a seperate email box.

Let's take these bastards down!

[jakerps13]

Yeah, I'm in. I put my story on the http://www.driftunderground.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=897 (http://) forums. I've a motor already now that it's almost a year later, but I want my money back!!:hammer:

[HiPSI]

aren't they in australia? is it possible to start a lawsuit against someone in another country? forgive my ignorance, just wondering here.;)

[jakerps13]

Actually they're in Malaysia, ha at least that's where they told me to send the check. What a bunch of :mrmeph: s

[transient]

Yeah, it's malaysia. I don't know the logistics of it, but I do know that it can be done. They ripped us off, misrepresented themselves to us, and they are doing business in the US, so there must be some way to retaliate. I'm still waiting on a call from my lawyer. If I don't hear back tomorrow I'll probably call again.

I'm actually surprised at the response. I've had reletively few people that have actually responded to the post and other emails that I've sent, but maybe when people see there's really something going on it will start to come together. At any rate, please let other's who have had problems know as well. The more people we get behind this, the better chance we have.

[hookedup240]

hey guys i hate to tell you but you might be SOL you can't do anything to companies outside the U.S. I am about 80% positive on this.

But good luck anyway.

[russian]

call me an idiot, but i would never under any circumstances send a check in another country for goods, especially engine, especially malasia. but good luck on the suit!;) :bow:

[Warwick5s]

Originally posted by russian
call me an idiot, but i would never under any circumstances send a check in another country for goods, especially engine, especially malasia. but good luck on the suit!;) :bow:

:stupid:

[Sanchi]

Come on guys you dont have to say anything if it dosent help the situation. But nontheless i hope they get :axe:

[Matt_240]

i dont think you guys can do this against a company based in another country. I suggest you guys pool your money together, take a trip to malaysia, beat the shit out of them, take your money back, and fly back, george bush style.

[240Dave]

Originally posted by Matt_240
i dont think you guys can do this against a company based in another country. I suggest you guys pool your money together, take a trip to malaysia, beat the shit out of them, take your money back, and fly back, george bush style.

Good luck guys, I know nothign about the law...but I think this is a good idea above.

[BeatJunky]

Yes... go over there, dump on their lawns first and then do the above.

[russian]

first go find out your ticket price to malasiya and money you need to find em there. it will cost a prety penny.:hammer:

[brokenben]

actually.. i think that you can do something about it because they are doing business in the US.. there was a preceeding case that was something like this that involved business over the internet.. i'll havta ask my teacher.. (business law) i'll double check on it.

[S13S14S15]

suing someone outside the country means lots of money and work...

[transient]

Well, from what I heard, they're soon going to have a place in Atlanta. So maybe this will help us along as well.

[gh6o6]

Business law:

From my notes, just because they advertised and accepted your money means that they conducted business within the united states and the US federal court district has jurisdiction over them. Im not sure the legal ways to get them here but thats up to the court. Because you are the party that was wronged and you would be the plantiff, you can bring charges in the federal court district closest to your house, or in atlanta if there going to have an office there - you home state is the most convienent though

you might be able to get a lawyer to take the case on (damn forgot the term) more likely in class action - one lawer covers eveyone with a % of that whole amount sued for.

good luck
But i know for a FACT that your federal district court has jurisdiction over them, regardless of the original country

Straight from my law book:

a site must offer some degree of interactivity (such as allowing persons to order goods from that site) to meet the minimum contacts requirement (the one that give jurisdiction)

its gets tricky with international law because everyone wants jurisdiction but the US kicks ass for its citizens.

[transient]

Yeah, that's about what I thought. Thanks for the confirmation! :D

[Matt_240]

Originally posted by gh6o6
Business law:

From my notes, just because they advertised and accepted your money means that they conducted business within the united states and the US federal court district has jurisdiction over them. Im not sure the legal ways to get them here but thats up to the court. Because you are the party that was wronged and you would be the plantiff, you can bring charges in the federal court district closest to your house, or in atlanta if there going to have an office there - you home state is the most convienent though

you might be able to get a lawyer to take the case on (damn forgot the term) more likely in class action - one lawer covers eveyone with a % of that whole amount sued for.

good luck
But i know for a FACT that your federal district court has jurisdiction over them, regardless of the original country

Straight from my law book:

a site must offer some degree of interactivity (such as allowing persons to order goods from that site) to meet the minimum contacts requirement (the one that give jurisdiction)

its gets tricky with international law because everyone wants jurisdiction but the US kicks ass for its citizens.


well in that case, take them to court and beat the crap out of them.

[S14TiNMAN]

damn, that sucks man! the george bush style is the best idea yet. haha j/k. hope this $hit works out. good luck bro. peace.

[ussil80]

:bash: bin doing that for 10 months ready to do this:hammer: ohh by the way this is my first post soo HELLO everyone
i am ready to go to court too

[knghtryde]

Good luck, and you better have a really really good international attorney.

Smart way to play it would be to keep quiet till they opened an office in the states then file the suite against them.

[transient]

Well, I'd really like to start gathering information as soon as possible, so as soon as I'm finished with school this semester (next week) I'm going to give the lawyer a call again.

[knghtryde]

I personaly have never had a bad experiance with Flashoptions. I've gotten what I've ordered from them, but I have a lot of friends who have been burned by them.

I just hope you get what your looking for and things work out. I'm a Paralegal so I'll start looking around and seeing if I can find out anything for you.

If I get any information I think might be able to help I'll PM you.

[justinhustle]

if anyone paid by credit card, to them

it becomes a federal fraud violation for money changing hands over wire transfer.

most likely, they will settle with you, provide whatever lawyer representing you, isnt a moron.

granted if you all sue for 200k, the settlement would look like 60k.

i highly doubt this would ever go to court, mainly because you can not necessarly harm flash, other than having their us business rights revoked

[transient]

Originally posted by knghtryde
I personaly have never had a bad experiance with Flashoptions. I've gotten what I've ordered from them, but I have a lot of friends who have been burned by them.

I just hope you get what your looking for and things work out. I'm a Paralegal so I'll start looking around and seeing if I can find out anything for you.

If I get any information I think might be able to help I'll PM you.

That would be really awesome if you could help us out. I'm finally finished with school for the semester so I'll have a lot more time to get working on this. I've been meaning to call the lawyer again but I just haven't had time.

[LAZER RED 240]

Go to e-bay and look for the internet fraud link. I bought a mis-reresented clip from JDM_Wholesalers from Anacortes, Wa and have filled a case with the internet fraud organization through e-bay. Good luck. It always seem to be true, "if it sounds to good to be true, it probably is". I wish all the best of luck in some sort of recovery. I may be a good idae to find out where their web site is being hosted and have it removed from the internet.

[91CRXsiR]

if this company was a corporation which it prolly was, all they have to do is file a chapter 11 or 12 ( can't remeber which ) and they don't have to pay thier debts and everyones screwed.. and the crappy part is they can still be open for business.. sux huh? the law sux chaos is much more orderly hahaha j/p
hope u guys get em..

PS. have you gotten a response from them? or are they MIA?

[uiuc240]

Originally posted by knghtryde
Good luck, and you better have a really really good international attorney.

Smart way to play it would be to keep quiet till they opened an office in the states then file the suite against them.

This is great advice. The hardest part of pursuing an internation lawsuit is going to be the fact that you have very little way of getting a hold of the person you are suing. All they have to do is pick up and leave, and you're left standing there with your balls flapping in the wind. The best thing to do would be to wait until they try to setup shop in the US. At that point, they will have had to go to the trouble to get a US Tax ID number, SS numbers for their owners, and all that shit. You can't do business in the US unless you are setup to pay taxes. And the only way you can setup to pay taxes is to provide some legitimate ways of being contacted in the event of fraud. Once the fraud is committed here, those dudes are in for some SERIOUS trouble, because the SEC and the IRS don't take kindly to people screwing around with money.

Anyway, much luck. I hate hearing about shady shit like this.

Eric

[Ghettokracker71]

:rl: good luck guys !

[PimpDaddyT]

I was bout to buy a front clip from them; so now can someone tell me y i shouldnt. What happened:cry:

[transient]

They basically have no idea of how to run a business. They've sent clips to the wrong countries and they're now saying that our "free shipping" isn't going to be free anymore :bash:. Also, they will make you wait for over a year.

Trust me on this one, it really is worth it to buy from a place in the US. I think Enjuku racing actually sells clips, they just don't advertise, but I could be wrong.

[DJ Machine]

wow, 48 people (plus) who had the bright idea to send thousands of dollars to a FOREIGN COUNTRY.


You get what you pay for.

[silvias13_180sx]

good luck folks

[transient]

Hi, sorry I haven’t gotten in touch with any of you for a while. I just left a message with another lawyer who I’ve been referred to. Apparently the original lawyer decided not to return my calls. At any rate, I have not forgotten about this and actually just became a bit more infuriated by the bill I’ve received from Charles Schayer CO. for shipping.



I’m hoping to get a call back sometime soon from the new lawyer, and I will let you know what happens.



Regards,

Brian


P.S.

Anyone who has not recieved the email I just sent out, and would like to be on the distrobution list, please send an email to [email protected] and request to be added.

[Doriftomodachi]

Originally posted by transient
Well, I've had enough with flashoptions screwing me out of money. They misrepresent themselves completely and it's time for it to end. I invite anyone who has purchased a clip from flashoptions to get in touch with me [email protected] because I'm going to be working on a class action suit, (if there isn't one going already), against flashoptions.com. Aparently there are already about 47 other people who are pretty annoyed with them and I'm going to be getting in touch with them soon. Please send me an email if you have been burned by them. Make the subject line: "flashoptions class action" if at all possible because I'll be filtering it into a seperate email box.

Let's take these bastards down!

Just be sure they don't sic the abu sayaf on your a$$ coz that would suck royallly

[transient]

Ok, I've got no idea what the hell that means... but at any rate, I'm going to take this tread off sticky. It's been up long enough for everyone know know about what's going on. Please, email me if you have any other q's. I'll keep in touch.

[scooter240]

well heres my first post-i ordered on march 6, 2003 and to date have still recieved nothing- since i have ordered the excuses have ranged from war to customs problems-then a few months ago i recieved a call from them telling me that my clip would be on the next container and that i can't get a clip because of epa restrictions bnut i would only get a motor set, but to help offset the difference they would sent a bunch of crap-ecm suspension etc-i told them that i would need the difference in money back-of course that was out of the question-all of this while they could not even get my name right-all of my information-except for my money transfer was incorrect-now my engine is sitting on a dock in LA and i still can't get it because they basically shipped it illegaly- it was put onto a container without being listed on the bol or the manifest-mine was the only one-now it is sitting in a store yard and collecting storage fees that fo is apparently trying to get me to pay for-i just heard about this yesterday-so until they resolve the bol and manifest problems it continues to sit and collect charges

just my little flashoptions sob story :cry:

[transient]

Just an update: I haven't had much luck with lawyers so far. The last lawyer I talked to said that he would not take the case on a contingency basis and it would be too much money for me to pay him by the hour. I'm going to go back and talk to another lawyer that happens to know my family and see if she has any ideas about it. I'll keep everyone posted.

[itslogics]

Man I would be behind you but i haven't bought a clip from them.... . I say try to get a hold of them more and try to work something out, cause it seems to be a lot of hassle for you, and this case would be pretty big and costly. My 2-cents:bash:

[transient]

Yeah, they've basically stopped responding to me. I've been thinking a lot about whether it's worth it or not, but I'm not a lawyer so I can't say. I think whenever I meet with the lawyer I spoke of earlier it will decide a lot.

[HondaX]

Yeah, they've basically stopped responding to me. I've been thinking a lot about whether it's worth it or not, but I'm not a lawyer so I can't say. I think whenever I meet with the lawyer I spoke of earlier it will decide a lot.
Yeh, I am one of the dumb asses that got conned into FlashOptions also. I knew I should have paid with my credit card, but at the time I paid for my shit FlashOptions said some crap like- if you use credit cards there is a 200.00 extra processing fee. You guys probably saw my story already too. I spoke with a lwyer also and what they said was that I could actually file a lawsuit against them. Since FlashOptions was selling to the US they must follow US laws on sales also. I want to more edvidence to prove that these fuckers were fucking a lot of people over. Thanks for all the advices and notes. Don't worry they are going to get thiers. What comes around goes around. Make sure you guys keep all the docs you guys got from FuckOptions for evidence. I hope this goes well for all of us. Thanks for all the responses. Keep it up. Peace

[No Motiv]

do we have any hackers on here...some one here must do that shit.....lets fuck up the website... woohooo...just an idea..

[transient]

That's the last thing we need to have happen. If this is going to go through we need to keep on the up and up. No bullshit ways of trying to get them back. If we do something wrong, they'll be able to use that in court and there goes our suit.

By the way, HondaX, I'd really like to get in touch with you about this. If you've gotten good responses from lawyers I want to hear what they said, because I haven't had much luck... Anyway, my AIM SN is Spectre_240sx. Please get in touch with me if I haven't gotten in touch with you first.

[HondaX]

If you got ripped off by FlashOptions file the complait to this site: http://www.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp This site is run by the FBI. I think the more people that file about FlashOptions, the more they might want to pursue the case. Please file your complait here and tell anybody you know that got ripped off by FlashOptions to file too. If I can't get my money back at least fucking close this shit comapny so it can't rip anybody else off. Thank you

[jiahanhao]

I ordered a clip from them in April, a b16b, somehow I think mine's going to take even longer to get. At least they might have Nissan clips.. honda, that's another story...

[Sniper-X]

For Class actions, all I can say is to look at the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure 28 and that'll tell you the requirements for filing a class action lawsuit as long as there is personal jurisdiction as well as subject matter jurisdiction over the defendant. It's not easy to file a class action suit, and the payoff to the clients themselves are usually minimal. The lawyers make the most money out of the suit.

[bob the cat]

This is my first post also...
I ordered a Mitsu clip from them late august.
I received the usual range of excuses for the delay : epa, sent the wrong way, christmas time etc.
Now every time I e-mail them they tell me that they will verify and I get no feedback.
I doubt I will receive something, but i'm still trying to get them to move.
I tell you one thing is sure if we plan an action to shut them down, now we'll be assured to receive nothing.

[bob the cat]

Guess what?
Received a phone call today by Gavin saying my clip cleared customs in Vancouver, it will be shipped to Montreal.

Hope its true this time. I'll keep you updated.

[Silviagirl79]

Hi, I sent Flash Options over 10K worth of wire transfers and Western Unions transfers for various customers who I sold Sr20DET's to. That was the biggest mistake of my life. I also, thought they were credible after hearing ONE good story about them (Brent). A few of the customers have received their engines, with me having to foot the $700-1000 customs/taxes/shipping bill. And some have not received motors, those I've had to refund OUT OF MY OWN pocket. I am so infuriated with them. They never give me accurate answers to my questions. I know I made a dumb decision in dealing with them, but they should have to pay in some serious way. I email them every single day, just to annoy them into doing something about getting me my SR20DET motor or money back. (the motor I am talking about, I have essentially bought for myself, by refunding a customer back $2400).

FO Is my greatest Enemy Right now.

[Red_Liner]

Wow....
i was gonna order an rb clip from them...not anymore...

how can anyone run a business like that and still get away with it??

[bob the cat]

Well I guess I have been screwed like so many others.
After the phone call Gavin did not gave any news, and now he is not answering any of my e-mails.

I wish I could prevent any other customer from buying clips from them, cause FO scam will just keep going on with Gavin making tons of money over honest people.

This is really frustrating...

[Ian]

i truely feel sorry for you all...i almost went w/ FlashOptions but got scared when i saw a sob story...so i went to my local and only tuning shop, walked in and saw an SR swap in progress...handed them my CC and paid out the ass for my new play toy...

[bob the cat]

I received today my Bill of Lading from flashoptions. I guess this wasn't all lies after all. Good luck to you all...

[LonePhantom]

It wouldn't surprise me if you could take a class action against them even if they are in Malaysia. When I went to university (I'm in australia) We learnt about a court case in the US where a finance company sued a finance school in Australia for having a similar name. The business in the US won the case because the Australian finance school had a web site, and seeing as the web site was available in the US the judge passed the court case saying that they were taking business away from the US company (even though it was an educational institution).

So in short the school had to close down as it couldn't afford to operate after the court case which was held in the states and the US business kept on going. I think you could quite easily take the business to court in the states cause the site is available there and you could probably win it if you've got the cash to fund the court procedings.

[NoLimit]

I too have been screwed by Flash Options. So count me in on any lawsuit that comes about. I've been waiting since October 03, ... I wish I had seen some bad stories before I ordered! :mad: :(

anyone feel like taking a trip to Malaysia, ... or wherever these guys are really operating out of?? I'm serious.

So if you're thinking of ordering from them, please DON'T!!

[pwo]

some1 has filed a complaint to U.S embassy in Malaysia. Things will start rolling soon. Heard FO ripped about USD 60K from the states.

http://usembassymalaysia.org.my/

[TurboB15sentra]

Get 'em guys! It would be so tempting to go there with a MOB of people who have been ripped off.. and take matters into one's own hands. But, you have to remember.. Malaysia isn't America. You would most likely be shot if you went and started trouble there. Those guys don't play around... I think once the gov. is involved in Malaysia... something will come of this mess
Travis

[sideviewcivic]

you need to post this also in honda forums, many ppl on honda-tech.com are waiting for something like this to happen. even check mitsu, and toyota

[Drift101]

Hmm.. you might not want to go to malaysia to retaliate, its a dangerous place where, if things go a bit awry, you can end up not even coming back.... but you got my support!!