Pontiacs

[gh6o6]

can a 96 auto beat a later model grand am, or grand prix im thinking not the grand prix but im really curious about the grand am - gt

[Tuck&Poke]

yea itll beat it your talkin about the sedans right... im not familiar with ponitacs.. the only thing thatll give you a challenge is a bonneville ssei or something like that ...the supercharged one.  the new one not the old one thats a cow cause its soo god #### heavy

[onebadm5]

grand prix GTP with the 240 hp V6, no contest.

there's three engines offered on the grand am...

2.2 Twin Cam 4, 140 hp, 150 ft lbs
3.4 V6, 170 hp, 195 ft lbs
3.4 RamAir V6, 175 hp, 205 ft lbs

coupes weigh about 3000 even, sedans are close to 3150.

[Tuck&Poke]

no contest for who the 240 or the grand whatever

[onebadm5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from minime686 on 6<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>2 pm on Jan. 28, 2002
no contest for who the 240 or the grand whatever</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

no contest for the grand prix Supercharged V6. that motor makes pretty good power. i was in my friends mustang V6 and we got BURNED by a Buick Park Avenue (same supercharged V6)

[sxfro]

i believe that he would be talking about the 240 is no contest for the gtp grandprix,i've drove one there pretty fast for a family car.

[Tuck&Poke]

whoa whoa whoa wait a sec a buick thats supercharged! no friggin way what wtf does a 60yr old guy want a supercharged car for theyre too smart to race unlike us stupid young people

[gh6o6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from onebadm5 on 9<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>0 pm on Jan. 28, 2002
grand prix GTP with the 240 hp V6, no contest.

there's three engines offered on the grand am...

2.2 Twin Cam 4, 140 hp, 150 ft lbs
3.4 V6, 170 hp, 195 ft lbs
3.4 RamAir V6, 175 hp, 205 ft lbs

coupes weigh about 3000 even, sedans are close to 3150.
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so what the virtict on those 3 engines?
im thinking about this v6 no ram air

(Edited by gh6o6 at 9:14 pm on Jan. 28, 2002)

[gh6o6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from minime686 on 9<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>8 pm on Jan. 28, 2002
whoa whoa whoa wait a sec a buick thats supercharged! no friggin way what wtf does a 60yr old guy want a supercharged car for theyre too smart to race unlike us stupid young people
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perfect sleeper!

[silk]

now can any of you imagine if a whole county of cops drove grand prix gtp's and dodge durango's and ford f-150's...and the trucks are lifted also. &nbsp;Welcome to Atlanta..Duluth Police Suck!!!!! If there are any duluth cops on this message board, lighten up.

[BlankFlip]

hmmm...i've always thought of the sc grand prix's as fast cars, ppl hook them up here. i wouldn't mess w/ 'em....yet <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>.

[onebadm5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from minime686 on 6<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>8 pm on Jan. 28, 2002
whoa whoa whoa wait a sec a buick thats supercharged! no friggin way what wtf does a 60yr old guy want a supercharged car for theyre too smart to race unlike us stupid young people
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Buick Park Avenue ULTRA engine specs:

Application: 3.8L (L67) V6 3800 Supercharged Series II
Type: 3.8-liter supercharged V6
Block material: cast iron
Displacement (cu in / cc): 231 / 3791
Bore x stroke (in / mm): 3.80 x 3.40 / 96.52 x 86.36
Cylinder head material: cast iron
Valvetrain: overhead valve, two/cyl.
Ignition system: electronic
Fuel delivery: sequential-port fuel injection
Compression ratio: 8.5:1
Horsepower (hp / kw @ rpm): 240 / 179 @ 5200
Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm): 280 / 380 @ 3600
Recommended fuel: 92 octane
Maximum engine speed (rpm): 6000
Emission control system: catalytic converter/EGR

a company called Thrasher Engineered performance mods the 3.8 cars. they recently built a Regal GSX (throwback to the 1970 GSX) that put out 370 hp, the car ran a traction limited 12.54 @110.

[MyFirst240SX]

I raced lost to one of those supercharged ones in a 96 Maxima. &nbsp;Family car race=)

[240meowth]

ok, the thing here is not about HP or torque, it's about weight. &nbsp;my mom has a 95 grand prix, 3.4L engine V6 i believe, 160hp ish... but that mofo weights 3600 lbs! and i try to drive hard in that thing, 0-60 time is around 10 second, i said aroud 'cause i counted myself... but for sure, that is a slow car...

[thewholefnshow]

There is a guy up here who has a grand prix with 400hp... it boots at the track. this weekend I got smoked by a new intrepid r/t... I got a bad start but was surpirsed to see him pull away with my foot in it... #### the power of these new family sedans.

[240sxracer]

yea intrepids are pretty fast far a big family cars my mom has one, governs out at 113 but gets there fast i know its quicker than my 240 dont like the handling of it though. rather drive my 240

[Tuck&Poke]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from 240meowth on 7:47 pm on Jan. 28, 2002
ok, the thing here is not about HP or torque, it's about weight. my mom has a 95 grand prix, 3.4L engine V6 i believe, 160hp ish... but that mofo weights 3600 lbs! and i try to drive hard in that thing, 0-60 time is around 10 second, i said aroud 'cause i counted myself... but for sure, that is a slow car...
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its more like 4300lbs

[BadAssLil240sx]

just my 2 cents. i think this is kinda funny, and suprising. a friend of mine totalled his jeep and got a Pontiac Grand Am for his rental car. anyway, he thought it would be funny to take it to Cecil County Drags, a local quarter mile track, and run it. he got the v6 model, but i dont think it was a gt. anyway, to get the main point, he ran a 15.3. this car was a stock RENTAL CAR. so, i dont think a mostly stock 240 could run with one when it comes down to it. im quite ashamed of that, but oh well. thats what the srwap is for, hehe. oh, and the worst part, he raced a 240sx that was modded.....it ran a 15.9. 240's are slow guys, dont think our cars are fast. they arent unless you have turbo or an srwap. face the facts my friends.

[JEdubz]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (minime686 @ Jan. 28 2002,7:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the only thing thatll give you a challenge is a bonneville ssei the new one not the old one thats a cow cause its soo god #### heavy</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Lol... you OBVIOUSLY don't know about Pontiacs to say thats the only thing he has to worry about. A firebird would whoop a 96 240's ass.. Let alone a FireBird Trans am. You said an older one? A 79 Firebird Transam came with two engines, the larger being a 6.6 <---- I SAID 6.6 Liter v8. You have no change against any firebird if you are auto, period. Sorry. And 240's are fast, but so are all the Pontiac GT's.. Grand Am GT (you're peaced) Grand Prix ... you're peaced... Even the new Sunfires have a good change at you... What you need is a 5 speed then we can talk.

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (JEdubz @ May 01 2002,12:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Even the new Sunfires have a good change at you...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Stop comparing new cars to our old ones. We are no match to most new age sedans...

Yeah i agree most firebirds would beat us. But about the Grand ams GTPs.... a 2000 GTP runs 1/4 in 15.1.... no match here. But if you look at a 1996 GTP it only does 15.9 <- now there you can try to compete somewhat. Grand Ams are a close race too, but you can beat them if you are a good driver... you gotta have the same tranny though most likely. Cuz there is a huge difference. And i gotta agree that our cars are really slow stock.... I'm sick and tired of seeing all these family cars pull away from me. Bad thing nissan never put a V6 in our cars. But oh well. Still got srdets and kadets <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

And i'm sorry..... but where did you found 1995 grand prix that weigh 4300 or even 3600 pounds??? The heaviest i found was 3300...

[DrLove82]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I wouldn't really look at a 240 from a straight line standpoint. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/huh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':huh:'> I mean, I know thats how alot of people judge cars, but I don't think thats what these cars were intendend for. :::throws in two cents:::

[DrLove82]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I wouldn't really look at a 240 from a straight line standpoint. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/huh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':huh:'> I mean, I know thats how alot of people judge cars, but I don't think thats what these cars were intendend for. :::throws in two cents:::

[MikeFD3S]

I used to have a 97 Grand Am Coupe (before i blew it up) with the V-6...performance was very hum drum.... my friend had a 95 240SX SE and we raced a couple times and we were about even.

[Tuck&Poke]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (JEdubz @ April 30 2002,1:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (minime686 @ Jan. 28 2002,7:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the only thing thatll give you a challenge is a bonneville ssei the new one not the old one thats a cow cause its soo god #### heavy</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Lol... you OBVIOUSLY don't know about Pontiacs to say thats the only thing he has to worry about. A firebird would whoop a 96 240's ass.. Let alone a FireBird Trans am. You said an older one? A 79 Firebird Transam came with two engines, the larger being a 6.6 <---- I SAID 6.6 Liter v8. You have no change against any firebird if you are auto, period. Sorry. And 240's are fast, but so are all the Pontiac GT's.. Grand Am GT (you're peaced) Grand Prix ... you're peaced... Even the new Sunfires have a good change at you... What you need is a 5 speed then we can talk.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
dude wtf are you talking about....i never said anything about a god damn firebird...no shit itll beat a 240. and no a sunfire wouldnt do much to a 240. you got me on one that i dont know too much about pontiacs but any pontica grand prix w/e bullshit w/ the supercharged engine will beat a 240. the other n/a engines dont have much of a chance. not to mention that i dont recall any 5spd pontiac sedan thingy ma bobers.

[danwagar]

a sunfire gt with a 2.4 and 5 speed...well lets just say it is surprisingly quick. &nbsp;i work at a pontiac dealership so i get to drive all of em... &nbsp;oh but man you guys should see the 2003 sunfire they are coming out w/ it is so damn ugly!!!!
the trans am is amazing though we have a 35th edition one it is so cool...53 in 1st gear bouncing off the rev limiter...oh yeah

[danwagar]

a sunfire gt with a 2.4 and 5 speed...well lets just say it is surprisingly quick. &nbsp;i work at a pontiac dealership so i get to drive all of em... &nbsp;oh but man you guys should see the 2003 sunfire they are coming out w/ it is so damn ugly!!!!
the trans am is amazing though we have a 35th edition one it is so cool...53 in 1st gear bouncing off the rev limiter...oh yeah

[bing]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (onebadm5 @ Jan. 27 2002,9:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from minime686 on 6<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>2 pm on Jan. 28, 2002
no contest for who the 240 or the grand whatever</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

no contest for the grand prix Supercharged V6. that motor makes pretty good power. i was in my friends mustang V6 and we got BURNED by a Buick Park Avenue (same supercharged V6)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
i got a buddy putting one into an old sunbird...

[MikeFD3S]

those supercharged 3.8's need to go in those Fieros....now that would be a fast Poontiac

[240sig]

I am not the best shifter in the world, but I took a 97 grand prix V-6 (not the ram air shit), had him by about 1.5 car lengths by the time I hit 90 and had to turn off. &nbsp;It would be an interesting race to see how an auto would fare......

(oh, I have a 95 base, 5-spd, stock at the time)

[DuffMan]

Any modern Pontiac V6 car would beat an auto 240, as would a manual Sunfire GT.

[Integraholic]

My old automotive repair instructor in HS was putting a Cadillac Northstar V8 in a Fiero. &nbsp;That thing is going to be mean.